The Cerberus is difficult but not impossible to fit. It can still mount a 41k tank with 3 BCUs and a rack of HMLs, but needs pretty much maxed out CPU skills to do so. An equivilent HAM fit needs an ACR but doesn't gimp it too badly.

About a 10% grid and CPU buff would make it perfect, to be honest.


And yet another idiot that assumes just because the Drake is losing the tank bonus, it'll now drop to cruiser level EHP or something.
Hint: it won't.

I'd fit it like a cheap Tengu and go **** BC gangs with it.

-Liang

It'll not drop to cruiser ehp but it will loose it's uniqueness in that it's a ship that vastly favors tank over damage.

And indeed BS gangs that can't do damage past 80-90Km (eg: Hellcats)

+25% resist bonus makes for a nice tank

Being out of range makes for a better one.

2. Malc, we both know range tank with missiles is doomed to failure.

2. Malc, we both know range tank with missiles is doomed to failure.

Oh right OK I'll just erase the last 18 months or so from my memory and agree with you.

Yes, becase as we all know drakes have no tank and are perfectly analogous to the cerb.

You explicitly said that range tanking with missiles is not doable. You didn't specify which ships. Therefore, you were factually incorrect, as it's regularly done with the Drake.

You must have missed the last half dozen posts i've made here. Feel free to read them.

Pretty much.

Active-Drake was a hell of a lot better than passive-Drake before for missions, and if this change makes people switch over to those kinds of fits, they'll discover the joys of not sitting still. Hell, if you dump the extenders and go for a shield-booster fit (because why not GÇö you're stuffing it full with cap-drawing equipment anyway, so you might as well go all the way), you'll notice that it's actually small enough a ship to speed-tank NPC battleships, even before you even consider trying to outrange them. It seems people have gotten so used to it being a 4-500m sigres turtle that those aspects of the ship have gone almost completely unnoticed.

The more I think about it, the more obvious the buff status of the proposed change becomes.

im telling you the nerf is coming, because no cruiser should be able to fit 100mn AB's. the Tengu is a stupidly OP and broken ship, and it's only a matter of time before CCP sees it.

Vagas dont exist any more as they've been replaced by the Cynabal faceroll.

i can not belive so many people are pissed off that there beloved drake is getting a BUFF rather than a nerf, what is WRONG with you people ????

i can not belive so many people are pissed off that there beloved drake is getting a BUFF rather than a nerf, what is WRONG with you people ????

I tried using a Drake to shoot Bloods in a Sanctum once. They damn near melted me in a couple volleys, even with EM and Thermal hardeners on a full-on passive fit. And I have nearly perfect Drake skills.

After warping out and repairing armor, I thought about what had happened, looked at my fit (full T2 with appropriate hardeners, purger rigs, and 2x SPR IIs), I decided to try kiting/speed tanking with an AB. Strangely, it worked. But it was still a lot harder than any other sanctum I've over done.

tl;dr: I agree that speed-tanking a Drake is both possible and viable.

While I would not be opposed to replacing the Kinetic bonus with a RoF bonus, nerfing the Drake's tank to make the Nighthawk better is ignorant at best. Nighthawk needs way more grid. I also don't think a range/missile velocity bonus is a great idea. I can already hit out to 80km (better than locking range w/o sebo) w/HMLs. I really don't need more range on my Drake. It would make HAMs somewhat better. But HAMs are freakin' useless vs frigates. Thank CCP for the 25m3 drone bay.

I'm most concerned about nerfing the Drake and having nothing but Hurricane's in shield BC fleets. Why would you fly the HAM drake when you can fly a Cane? Caldari have few enough useful PvP ships as it is. Funny thing is that the proposed nerf to tank would hurt PvE more than PvP. Is that really what CCP wants?

The Drake would still be easily the tankiest tier2 BC, and being able to do 500 DPS at 110Km is awesome no matter how many iditos try and claim it isn't

The Drake would still be easily the tankiest tier2 BC, and being able to do 500 DPS at 110Km is awesome no matter how many iditos try and claim it isn't

If I wanted to do DPS at long ranges the Caldari have two other battlecruisers that are quite capable of doing that and worse, with the capabillity of actualy staying at that range and not moving like a slug.

But wether this change is a buff or a nerf isn't realy important.

What does CCP and CSM actualy want acomplish by changing the drake and will this change make that happen?

What do you think of the drake changes mentioned in the CSM meeting minutes.


"CCP is considering giving it a more offensive role like Raven or Caracal where it would lose the shield resistance bonus and the 5% Kinetic damage bonus instead gain a rate of fire and a missile velocity bonus."

Actually if they kept the shield resistance bonus but changed the 5% kinetic damage to just Rof or velocity that would be perfect.

That is what they should do.

Actually if they kept the shield resistance bonus but changed the 5% kinetic damage to just Rof or velocity that would be perfect.

That is what they should do.