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Milla Lekarariba
Raven University
Serenity.
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:22:00 -
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Good idea however I would like to add something...
You have to pick the side you want to fight on, and there be actual consequences for doing so, I would go in to more details but not long been back from hospital after an operation |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:09:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Again, if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec. No one is suggesting fish in a barrel, that would be ridiculous. Please try and remain at least partially subjective in your counter arguments. Not posting on troll alts might also help your stance hold merit.
Ok, I've slogged through most of this.
As I understand it:
PvP-fit ships are typically crap in PvE with incoming DPS of any signifcance...built for short duration DPS soaks and not continuous DPS over a long period of time. Often low-duration caps. Meant typically for bursts.
PvE-fit ships are typically the reverse in almost every instance.
PvP-fit ships typically shred PvE-fit ships.
Fitting a PvE ship to deal with PvP makes it at best a hybrid which is far less than optimal at either, and more likely just makes it suck at both.
So, wanting to bring PvP fleets into an environment that requires PvE-fitted fleets is not shooting fish in a barrel?
Sorry, I need some clarification on that one. |
Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:25:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]
Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.
+1 risk free PvP how Leet. lol On a more serious note i like jayems idea/ solution. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1194
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:06:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]
Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.
+1 risk free PvP how Leet. lol On a more serious note i like jayems idea/ solution.
Explain how it is risk free considering the same conditions apply for both sides.
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:21:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]
Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.
+1 risk free PvP how Leet. lol On a more serious note i like jayems idea/ solution. Explain how it is risk free considering the same conditions apply for both sides.
I'll step in and explain, if you don't mind 
It is risk free because they (the isk grinding maggots) are very aware of their lack of spine. |
Violet Vayu
Rapid Development
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:28:00 -
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Op has a really good idea here Ccp!
This would stop all the whining, and let people settle this in proper eve fashion by blowing each other up |
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
7
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:30:00 -
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Hats off to this thread.
Would definatly shake things up nicely. Would be interesting to see the new status quop with such an idea. |
March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
116
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:32:00 -
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Juliana Stinger wrote:do you really believe pve pilots will risk flying there with ships worth billions? What will be a risk for pvp pilots? loosing a 50mil ship?
no one said you HAVE TO bring shiny ship to run incursion. You do it for increased profit. You will not use shiny ships. You will use stupid T2 fits and T1/T2 ships and have a little lower income.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1198
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:45:00 -
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Violet Vayu wrote:Op has a really good idea here Ccp! This would stop all the whining, and let people settle this in proper eve fashion by blowing each other up
Finally, someone that GETS Eve in this thread 
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Carton Mantory
Cult of Baal
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:59:00 -
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War dec carebears. Seriously if they do incursions war dec them.
If you kill the mom yourself you make isk.
The incursions is not for milling isk unless you let them.
This feature is going exactly as planned.
CCP is doing exactly what they needed to to get players involved in NPC isk generation. If you dont want them to do incursions stop em. |
Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:14:00 -
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Lady Spank, even though I agree with you on the topic of higher risk incursions, the idea you propose would have dire consequences.
I will leave technical difficulties aside. But it would allow you to avoid CONCORD retaliation. Which is consider banable offence.
Let me explain. Nowadays 1 minute counter that prevents you from docking and jumping gate ensures you die after commiting crime in high security space.
With CONCORD not allowed on the acc. gate grid, you can align to incursion site, Go gcc and warp to the site. There you can chill for 1 minute and go dock to station.
The same applies even if you limit no CONCORD zone only in the site itself. It would only require bit more effort of finding site with correct acceleration gate alignment. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard
EntroPraetorian Aegis
378
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:49:00 -
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The thought is nice, but I'm convinced all it would be is gank squads on standby to warp on top of any group who dares to try and do any Incursion sites. Thus, kill the entire concept of Incursions in high sec.
Unless of course that was your entire goal?
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March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
118
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:01:00 -
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Chief Cheeba wrote:this is the type of idea only an idiotic cowardly sociopath could support
pirate tears are so sweet
%^$gankers!!1!*%#
etc
the man with boobs  |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1212
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:06:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:The thought is nice, but I'm convinced all it would be is gank squads on standby to warp on top of any group who dares to try and do any Incursion sites. Thus, kill the entire concept of Incursions in high sec.
Unless of course that was your entire goal?
It wasnt my goal but it's fairly apparent that without some kind of magical bending of mechanics this is in all likelihood what would happen.
At least it provoked some discussion, which is all I hoped for of course. No harm in chewing the fat.
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kenxi
GLOBAL DISSENSION
KRYSIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.23 17:11:00 -
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Let me help all you null secers that haven't incursioned before the risk vs reward difference is there high secers get 9m per vangard nullsec gets 20m or more per site. Thats twice the difference. And yes you kicked over my sand castle so I joined you enemy's looking forward to the moment I get to smash your castle and watch you cry about it all over the forums. O wait thats right that what the super capital nurf was.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:45:00 -
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every point in and out would be bubbled if you turned it into a nullsec for a day
But i dont like it as i would have to go around and when transporting all my un taxed wealth around highsec
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Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Ai Shun
167
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:06:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Question, sorry if already answered. Would this be for the entire constellation or just the sites? I believe the proposal is to have slower CONCORD response to the actual Incursion site. The system itself remains normal. No CONCORD, sites not systems.
Ah, thanks for the clarification Spank. I was wondering if that is reasonable, but considering it is only for the site, yeah, it pretty much is. |
Rhinanna
CyberShield Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
106
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:29:00 -
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LOL, seriously, you want null-sec level income, you take at least HALF of null-sec level fleets risk, which is about what this idea is suggesting.
Its not hard to keep scanning and warp out if anything nasty comes your way. The simple fact is the incursion runners are happy in their safe little zones and want to keep their max'ed out income with no risk. This can't continue because it just devalues ISK and makes all other ISK earning activities pointless. When you can make more in a Tech 1 BS gang (non-faction) than running missions in 2-3 bil ISK ships, there is clearly something wrong with this balance.
You can easily make as much as ratting with a carrier in Null, but there is a lot of risk there, where is the risk for incursion runners exactly? Not only is there the ISK income but you also get a lot of LPs as well, which can quickly convert into a LOT of ISK.
When running anomilies in null-sec, which requires fighting and taking your space, effort to maintain and upgrade it and is in constant danger of various kinds, is making about HALF that compared to incursions, you know there is a big problem.
I've never seen a decent BS go down in an incursion, I've seen a couple of logis die but thats about it and that was due to a stupid FC which is a risk whatever you do.
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ShipToaster
115
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:39:00 -
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Make a situation similar to FW where players can declare for CONCORD or SANSHA. If you are not on CONCORD's side then you get no bounties or LP. You know what the SANSHA sympathisers can do 
Every problem solved.
Incursion math?
part 1 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=678400#post678400
part 2 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=698871#post698871 |
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