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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:49:00 -
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This is another great example really of "PEOPLE PLAY EVE DIFFERENTLY TO ME AND I DON'T LIKE THIS. NERF THEIR GAMING SO THEY'RE FORCED TO PLAY MY IDEA OF THIS GAME, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
It's not going to happen, and your stupidity is only supported by like minded people who'd rather duckshoot carebears all day than go engage each other in actual competitive PvP. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
33
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:23:00 -
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+1
Add a sansha faction that can gain high sec access to the incursion zones. Essentially turn those systems into an extension of low sec to reflect the suppression of concord.
ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar
White Noise.
47
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:28:00 -
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didnt think i would agree with lady spank with anything but this is really a good idea. +1 |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1914
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:33:00 -
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+1
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1914
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:35:00 -
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Dyniss wrote:What a stupid idea! I could see within a week of this nonsense happening Incursions becoming a ghost town. Ever look at low sec/null incursions? Rarely done and most just left to withdraw. OP is simply looking for a easy gank plain and simple may I suggest Jita with your sensor boosted neutral RR friends? I agree Incursions (mostly Vanguard sites) need a changed but not everything should be PVP some people just like PVE and Empire is the place for it. Besides if you want to gank the sorry sods there are ways to do it now Wardecs,griefing or RR aggresion to name a few.
That's because it's such a pain to get out there and the risks of getting back, etc. Having just the incursion sites acting like 0.0 would actually create lots of competition and have people put more thought into this game than just "Buy expensive ship, join fleet, make money with no risk"
Do you even play this game?
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Jinn Kast
Initium Malum
0ccupational Hazzard
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:44:00 -
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+1
love this idea , makes people think about there surroundings , rather than just farming incursions for isk with no risk |
tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution
The 99 Percent
15
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:50:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Whatever tech Sansha are using to circumvent CONCORD and Navy effectiveness should extend to capsuleers.
. All rats use the same magic/tech to escape concord. All you are doing is trying to make hi sec into NULL sec. Just as stupid an idea as having all empires borders being lo sec.
I don't think normal rats are capsuleers and thus not worth Concords time (they're sucky after all). Concord should however react to Sansha as it is concord that recruits the player to fight for them. Thus, Sansha need some fancy **** to avoid Concord, rats does not as they're not worth Concords time. And if it isen't an AOE magical wand, we should be able to fight for Sansha to be honest  . Like faction warfare just WORTH IT!
This is all IIRC by the way, I don't remember the backstory that well. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1605
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:52:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Signho wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:If you want to compete with people in highsec incursions, get a fleet together and outgun them.
Simple. you are missing the point of the OP. No I'm not. I know exactly what the OP is wanting here, I'm just telling them that they should probably try the current game mechanics to put risk in before poking and whining and demanding that someone else's game is broken. There is no risk under the current mechanics... Drunk logi, Fake Logi, Crap FC, Network issues, Mass DCs, Module misclicks, on and on. Compared to easy mode Anoms and Tech moons Incursions are downright risky. Especially with a pimped ship.
No, they are not. Network issues, mass DCs and misclicks can easily happen in anoms and you're dead.
People fly pimped faction ships in incursions because they are risk-free. |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
Gryphon League
23
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:55:00 -
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High sec IS a PvP zone, it just has different rules than low or null. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:56:00 -
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I like the claim that possible disconnects are a risk. Lol.
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ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
325
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:01:00 -
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I like the idea of this. If they stop SOPA, I will sign this.
However, SOPA is the route cause of Dec21/2012. Anonymous will hack nukes into exploding because they can't watch free pr0nz on the interwebs due to copyright claims.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Scorpious
Hello Kitty Rejects
Dark Taboo
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:28:00 -
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Hi sec incursions have risk. They also offer new pilots a way to make isk and get into better equipped ships. If you want to play in null sec, go there. CCP seems to have struck a good balance between Hi / Null sec incursions, so the old adage stands "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". As for a 0.0 pocket in hi sec, I don't think its a good idea. If you want to gank an incursion fleet, there are numerous ways to do it. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
506
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:30:00 -
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Buff Jesus wrote:Would this be a registering to enter the fun kind of thing or a temporary 0.0 in high sec? I'd hate to be the person who's home turf got turned into a lawless war zone overnight.
welcome to EVE.
Also, OP, absolutely fantastic idea. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:31:00 -
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Please explain the 'risk' involved in high sec incursions, and don't make me laugh.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
396
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:03:00 -
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See personally I don't think it's as much a reward for the risk as it is a reward for the planning and investment.
Making 50-60 mil p/h in a pug battleship fleet is as much as you can make from L4'ing. Shiny fleets who are making the lower end of "the big money" still put the investment in to get the larger pay out and require some organisation to put together, though I'll grant and accept that the organisation is done by the few for the gains of the many. There are some SF channels with a lot of freeloaders who waltz in with a good fit and barely pull their weight in the system.
Then you've got the higher end isk makers, the 150 mil fleets. These fleets run like clockwork, the logistics and planning put in, having smooth changeovers and pre scouted sites allows them to move rapidly from blitz to blitz (different debate altogether but my thoughts on the issue of VG blitzing and how to fix it has been put elsewhere)
In site actions are fast and co-ordinated with everything done as effective as possible so to use as little time as necessary, going as far as shaving a handful of seconds off your completion time. Further more the 150 mil fleets don't make that kind of money without competing, and not just going in first, or at the same time, but hitting an already underway site and still getting the pay over the other group. Infact some people have whined at fleets like this following them around and stealing the pay from under their nose as griefing, it's competition and someone's going home with no isk, less ammo and near burned out guns that they have to sit and wait to repair (which kills your uptime further)
It's rewarding min/maxing, not just the setup but the efficiency. Now do I believe the current system is balanced so that the sites that give the best rewards are also the ones offering the most challenge? No I don't, and I'd gladly see them reworked so that the organised fleets can be making their money in Assaults and HQ's and leave the Vanguards to smaller less established fleets to make their income at an above mission grinding level.
Making them no risk duckshoots for people who want easy kills is not how to balance it, besides where's the risk for the pirates? |
Maximille Biagge
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:04:00 -
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I support this thread. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:10:00 -
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Please explain how it would make incursions no-risk duckshoots. 'pirates' could be shot at just as easily as 'carebears'.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
396
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:13:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Please explain how it would make incursions no-risk duckshoots. 'pirates' could be shot at just as easily as 'carebears'.
Because Incursion fleets are limited to x number of people otherwise the payouts are next to nothing.
Pirate fleet doesn't have the limit of numbers enforced on them and can roll safely in large numbers, and alpha off the NPC primaries.
Edit: And no, limiting the numbers that can enter an incursion plex is not a fix, that would break the entire point of the competitive mechanic. |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam
Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:17:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Please explain the 'risk' involved in high sec incursions, and don't make me laugh.
No one evere loses ships in an incursion?
I realize I've never done one, but I've certainly heard enough about them to know that they are not "Risk free" Unless you have a highly competent group.
I'm sure your aware of just how many "Highly competent" players there are in the game, so your "Risk Free" comment does not seem to hold much weight.....
This thread mirrors the problems in our society.
People are too busy worrying about what the other guy is doing, instead of doing what's best for themselves....In this case, playing the game for entertainment, rather than worrying about who's getting more isk than you....
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:23:00 -
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In this thread people defend the right to be incompetent while having access to high levels of income.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
396
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:28:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:In this thread people defend the right to be incompetent while having access to high levels of income.
In this thread people want no risk pvp, and stick their fingers in their ears and "lalala" at the top of their voice whenever their daft ideas are questioned.
Perhaps you've missed my posts where I've said I'd like incursions rebalanced, I hear selective reading does that to people. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:30:00 -
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How is it no risk PVP when everyone can be shot.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
396
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:37:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:How is it no risk PVP when everyone can be shot.
Read my above reply on this one. Where's the risk in jumping in with a fleet 4-5x bigger and just alpha-ing the incursion fleet? Let's face it, you've more risk of losing a ship in an incursion due to player error or NPC jamming of your logis than you have losing here.
Moreso when you can scan what's inside from the gate you know whether or not it's even worth going into in the first place, so you can pick and choose your fights.
Where's the risk, and I'm talking real risk here. Because let's face it, no one else is going to jump in if they see a fleet already blowing up an incursion fleet, they'll just go look elsewhere. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1118
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:40:00 -
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You can scan and have a support fleet too. Non issue. You just want to have your cake and eat it too.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:49:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:You can scan and have a support fleet too. Non issue. You just want to have your cake and eat it too.
Question, sorry if already answered. Would this be for the entire constellation or just the sites? |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
396
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:52:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:You can scan and have a support fleet too. Non issue. You just want to have your cake and eat it too.
Uhuh, this is PvE content that is suppose to be easy to get into and involved with. Now ontop of them forming a fleet to run the sites you're now expecting the casual elements of the playerbase to also form defensive fleets to counter being dropped on? I mean really, the people that x up in incursion public channels and make about 50-60 mil an hour?
Sure some of the more organised groups may well be able to form up a fleet from their ranks to defend their mission runners, but what happens to their income. They aren't getting paid to do it, share out the incursion isk? Suddenly it's worth less than running an L4 and wow we're back to square one.
Further more you'll learn pretty quick who has counter fleets and who to avoid, like in all other forms of pvp. It's amazing how many people will dodge fights when they know there's a risk they might not be flying out of this one. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:01:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Question, sorry if already answered. Would this be for the entire constellation or just the sites?
I believe the proposal is to have slower CONCORD response to the actual Incursion site. The system itself remains normal.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:02:00 -
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Sounds good to me. If you aren't prepared to earn your high income you can go back to mission running.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1119
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:03:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Question, sorry if already answered. Would this be for the entire constellation or just the sites? I believe the proposal is to have slower CONCORD response to the actual Incursion site. The system itself remains normal.
No CONCORD, sites not systems.
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MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
92
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:07:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Question, sorry if already answered. Would this be for the entire constellation or just the sites? I believe the proposal is to have slower CONCORD response to the actual Incursion site. The system itself remains normal. No CONCORD, sites not systems.
I was proposing a slower CONCORD response to the system as an alternative. The OP wanted no CONCORD. In my opinion the risk should increase once the mother ship appears since it is a big old nasty invasion.
Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
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