I appreciate what you are saying but this is hardly a 'thinly veiled' effort, I thought it was rather transparent. It doesnt make the entirety of high sec a 'gank zone' but rather turns the currently contested high-income zero risk incursions into something more akin to low sec combat, but with equal inherent rewards. I dont think you need to be so paranoid as what I propose only affects those seeking high reward PVE... but with a risk of PVP, and as for making incursions impossible, you only have to look at the success some people have with low sec incursions to understand that this isnt simply making incursions gank-zones but rather areas of opportunity in high sec.

EDIT: I might look into what Wintergrasp is but I doubt it's relevant to Eve,

Edit: This provides a suitable risk versus reward considering L4 missions earn a conservative 20m per hour but incursions give a conservative 60-70m per hour.

If you want to compete with people in highsec incursions, get a fleet together and outgun them.

Simple.

"Hello, you have reached CONCORD Constellation Command. Due to Sansha activity in your area, we regret that our response time may be longer than normal. Para saber c+¦mo te van a ganked en espa+¦ol, pulse dos."

TLDR: Start it as PVE, but as CONCORD has to deal with the 'damage' from the invasion they are less likely to respond to the attacks and it can become more of a PVP event.

I like the idea of greater risk for incursions. My opinion though is that it should be a reduced response time based on the state of the Incursion. Initially CONCORD will cover the assault runners while they begin breaking it down (full protection). However, after the mother ship appears they become more involved with local affairs as the capsuleers are in a position to deal with the remaining problem. CONCORDS reaction time to a hostile event would be longer and longer after the spawn of the mothership. Maybe 1 second delay for every 4 minutes that the mother ship is up.

So an hour after the mother ship spawns CONCORD reaction time would be 15 seconds. After 2 hours it would be 30 seconds. There would also need to be a modification to the GMs rules that escaping from CONCORD in an Incursion system is NOT an exploit. Sec status hits for killing people in Incursion zones is lower than normal.

Incursion players still get to blast it out with CONCORD support (team work)
Gank crews can help summon the mother ship if they want (team work)
Once the mother ship appears, an organised group has to move quick as the clock ticks up on CONCORD's response time.
Gankers can try to delay the mother ship kill fleet to improve the delay on the CONCORD response.
If the mother ship is not defeated within 24 hours of spawning it will disband and not respawn for a few days (encourage players to do them or the reward goes away).
CONCORD's use of warp scramblers and webs would be more limited, but would gradually stack (Give PVP players, or angry PVE players, a chance to do hit and run raids).

I guess I am trying to find a middle ground here. I think PVE incusions should be permitted, but they should not be farmable. In this situation, if they move fast enough (and the spawn timer might need to be adjusted for various timezones to get a chance at them) they can get another one, but if they try and farm them there is not only a risk to the PVE players (PVP), but also a spawning penalty for not doing them.

No one would be in the zone except for 600 pirates hoping to catch noobs who wondered through, and while waiting massive pirate battles would break out and the zone would turn into........


0.0



I understand you're desire to gank people, but the noob target utopia you forsee wouldn't happen.

nerf all highsec income

i doubt you understand how moons work but incursion farming (70M ISK/hour average) and a tech moon (less than 10m isk/hour, with the added effort of having to fuel the tower, empty the silos and haul the moon minerals to Jita for sale) are two very different things

the more you know

Maybe if you guys actually paid your rank and file members a bit more of the raw income from 0.0 spoils, you would have more available for ops, instead of seeing them running high sec incursions.

last month we poured 18 tech moons worth of income into subcapital reimbursements alone, tell me more about how we don't give enough ISK to our members

and wow one tech moon, i am impressed, we have to fuel/empty/time 60+

If you can't get your members into CTAs it means you aren't giving them enough. Tho something tells me that figure isn't accurate anyway.

And even if it is. Then you are just as mad anyway because poor wittle nullsec moon empires might/are having to pour tech moon income into real SRP programs that are more than T1 frigs.

So the solution to the lords is kill hisec and see how many come to your empire instead of leaving the game. Start with random people grouping for fun in hisec. Then kill mining (O wait that was first) Then kill any mission running.

That should get them "members" to shut up about SRPs so we can enjoy our moon goo.

Incursion sites become non-CONCORD spawn zones, including the acc. gate. Players still get a global that they have to wait out in the site or any other site in the same system. Sec status drops still happen but with less droppage. As a result one can't PvP in an Incursion site without having to fix sec status or has to take the hassle of -10 in highsec.

Sounds good. Now, you face the massive Blobs taking over the incursions or you get popped for being in their territory and the focus is then taken away from incursions and more to 0.0 PVP.
Why not limit daily incursion runs per char? say 5 per day, which level you choose is up to you but only 5 then no more. That way you stifle the "farming" so people aren't pulling in ridiculous amounts of isk. IDK... Just a thought.

No I'm not. I know exactly what the OP is wanting here, I'm just telling them that they should probably try the current game mechanics to put risk in before poking and whining and demanding that someone else's game is broken.