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![NATMav NATMav](https://images.evetech.net/characters/919210637/portrait?size=64)
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:42:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Quite amusing to see all the BoB pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters MC to kill a few POS![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I see that the 6 systems, a titan and moms we downed is like a month old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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![ishkabibble ishkabibble](https://images.evetech.net/characters/189412670/portrait?size=64)
ishkabibble
Black Avatar
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:45:00 -
[182]
/gets the popcorn ready to watch the rest of the show ----------------------------------------- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - anonymous |
![Pnuka Pnuka](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1575410385/portrait?size=64)
Pnuka
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.20 19:46:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Quite amusing to see all the IAC pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters AAA to kill 2 mc dreads ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I see that the 6 carriers and mom we downed is like a week old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Your chance at a Fleet Admiral title just went up a few points with that post son.
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![Yazoul Samaiel Yazoul Samaiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1629841337/portrait?size=64)
Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.20 20:16:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Technix
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Quite amusing to see all the IAC pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters AAA to kill 2 mc dreads ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I see that the 6 carriers and mom we downed is like a week old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
I laugh at the majority of COAD posts and sort out any intel or intresting topics.
Though I always get a special kick out of you; your either just super bitter or a great role player. Seeing your posts for awhile now I personaly think it's the first.Even th goons don't get so bent out of shape. keep it coming!
Good luck to both sides
Be it as it may be but at i do have the spine to post with my main , how about you ? too shy maybe?
As for the rest of the trolls please keep circle jerking , it realy amuses me even more ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Mungad Mungad](https://images.evetech.net/characters/846860889/portrait?size=64)
Mungad
Caldari Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.20 20:42:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
keep circle jerking , it realy amuses me even more
I guess if that's what your into. _____________________________
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![xBANDWAGONx xBANDWAGONx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1438388549/portrait?size=64)
xBANDWAGONx
Caldari Purge Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.20 20:43:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Mungad
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
keep circle jerking , it realy amuses me even more
I guess if that's what your into.
speaking of... how FAT is too fat?
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![Silvestri Silvestri](https://images.evetech.net/characters/819861020/portrait?size=64)
Silvestri
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.20 21:47:00 -
[187]
wow...and all the posts since mine did prove my point..... and admiral wraithstorm?
Doesn't even sound cool or scary...
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![Andargor theWise Andargor theWise](https://images.evetech.net/characters/909305199/portrait?size=64)
Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.20 21:53:00 -
[188]
We were doing so well and then the thread went downhill. ![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif) - Got grief?
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![Tyrrax Thorrk Tyrrax Thorrk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/144870255/portrait?size=64)
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 01:36:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 21/09/2007 01:39:56
Originally by: Pilk
If you don't already see a FAT- sovereignty switch as a matter of time, you are deluding yourself. IAC leadership realizes it's a lost cause, and are trying to make us pay for it, same as I'd do in their place. But it's ours in effect, even if not in the upper-left corner of our screens. You killed two unsupported MC dreadnoughts that were in the wrong place, congratulations. Do you realize that our capital fleet in 49-U was over 80 ships?
At the risk of sounding like a Molle post, barring horrific ****-ups or huge game mechanic changes, you're dead. No better time than now to start getting used to it.
Don't believe me? Ask Tyrrax what station his X-type hardeners are in.
--P
http://eve.klaki.net/hardeners.jpg
The full slave set I lost in tournament that GMs reimbursed is there too, in fact I have more assets there than anywhere else, have a moros and 380000 arkonor in 25s too ![ugh](/images/icon_bear.gif)
Since I know how rich you Axiom Empire guys are, how about a wager ? I'll bet you 2 billion ISK that IAC will still own FAT- a month from now.
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![Zylatis Zylatis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/994077852/portrait?size=64)
Zylatis
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 01:56:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Zylatis on 21/09/2007 01:56:18 380000 ark? damn carebear!
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![Karim alRashid Karim alRashid](https://images.evetech.net/characters/468017564/portrait?size=64)
Karim alRashid
Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 05:44:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Pilk
Don't believe me? Ask Tyrrax what station his X-type hardeners are in.
http://eve.klaki.net/hardeners.jpg
Owned. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Sokratesz Sokratesz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/617542418/portrait?size=64)
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 05:52:00 -
[192]
I feel sorry for creating this thread now ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
Originally by: Captian Internet Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL
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![Hellaciouss Hellaciouss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660961955/portrait?size=64)
Hellaciouss
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 06:51:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Karim alRashid
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Pilk
Don't believe me? Ask Tyrrax what station his X-type hardeners are in.
http://eve.klaki.net/hardeners.jpg
Owned. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Come on, it's AXE. You didn't really believe he knew anything about what he was talking about, did you? ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
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![Erotic Irony Erotic Irony](https://images.evetech.net/characters/281011440/portrait?size=64)
Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.09.21 06:55:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Sokratesz I feel sorry for creating this thread now ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
remove the title and op and its instagibbed ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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![Taj Zela Taj Zela](https://images.evetech.net/characters/832962479/portrait?size=64)
Taj Zela
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.09.21 07:00:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Sokratesz I feel sorry for creating this thread now ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
remove the title and op and its instagibbed
But what am I going to read all day at work.
Please guys, this is just getting interesting. Please......![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif)
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![Karim alRashid Karim alRashid](https://images.evetech.net/characters/468017564/portrait?size=64)
Karim alRashid
Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 07:25:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Taj Zela
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Sokratesz I feel sorry for creating this thread now ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
remove the title and op and its instagibbed
But what am I going to read all day at work.
Please guys, this is just getting interesting. Please......![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif)
Yeah, but CCP nuke the most interesting parts.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![twit brent twit brent](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1056372525/portrait?size=64)
twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.21 08:14:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 21/09/2007 01:39:56
Originally by: Pilk
If you don't already see a FAT- sovereignty switch as a matter of time, you are deluding yourself. IAC leadership realizes it's a lost cause, and are trying to make us pay for it, same as I'd do in their place. But it's ours in effect, even if not in the upper-left corner of our screens. You killed two unsupported MC dreadnoughts that were in the wrong place, congratulations. Do you realize that our capital fleet in 49-U was over 80 ships?
At the risk of sounding like a Molle post, barring horrific ****-ups or huge game mechanic changes, you're dead. No better time than now to start getting used to it.
Don't believe me? Ask Tyrrax what station his X-type hardeners are in.
--P
http://eve.klaki.net/hardeners.jpg
The full slave set I lost in tournament that GMs reimbursed is there too, in fact I have more assets there than anywhere else, have a moros and 380000 arkonor in 25s too ![ugh](/images/icon_bear.gif)
Since I know how rich you Axiom Empire guys are, how about a wager ? I'll bet you 2 billion ISK that IAC will still own FAT- a month from now.
Shouldnt you be putting that 2 bill in that titan fund?
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![Ponderous Thunderstroke Ponderous Thunderstroke](https://images.evetech.net/characters/101071437/portrait?size=64)
Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.21 08:20:00 -
[198]
If IAC has a titan fund, then they're more insane than I thought they were. Tyrrax would get that blown up in a spectacular fireball within a month. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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![Hellaciouss Hellaciouss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660961955/portrait?size=64)
Hellaciouss
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 09:05:00 -
[199]
Originally by: twit brent
Shouldnt you be putting that 2 bill in that titan fund?
its me im da titan pilot in da op
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![Sokratesz Sokratesz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/617542418/portrait?size=64)
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 10:29:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Hellaciouss
Originally by: twit brent
Shouldnt you be putting that 2 bill in that titan fund?
its me im da titan pilot in da op
nono its gonna be me!
Originally by: Captian Internet Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL
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![Octavinus Augustus Octavinus Augustus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/907460869/portrait?size=64)
Octavinus Augustus
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.21 10:45:00 -
[201]
I don't get all this smacktalk about the Coalition (CVA is on the same side as the coalition and not the alliance, right?) being so bad at fleet combat. I just don't get it. We all learn all the time.
Just the other day I was talking to one of CVA's fleet commanders concerning ways to fit a ship for fleet combat - and I learned a few things, I'd like to share. I have just finished typing the conversation into this page (I really think Microsoft should invent some function to copy text from one place to another, but maybe that's just me).
My CVA Fleet commander said he didn't want his name in this post, so I have changed his sig to "CVA" - I guess it has something to do with him not wanting to have it become known how experienced he is at fleet fights so he'll be primary at all times.
So here's the discussion I'd like to share:
Octavinus: I really dont like the Amarr ships - they're so limited in the ways you can set them up. CVA: Then fly something else. Octavinus: I can't - I'm Amarr. CVA: Just train the other race's ships. Octavinus: Can you do that? CVA: Yes Octavinus: As an Amarr? CVA: Yes Octavinus: And it's legal? CVA: Yes Octavinus: Won't CCP get you banned for doing it? CVA: No Octavinus: You won't even get a warning? CVA: No Octavinus: Wow. So if I wanted to I could train for Gallente battleships and use those as missile boats? CVA: Yes. Don't think it would be a good idea though. Octavinus: Hmm. But the Amarr ships are still very limited aren't they? I mean lasers only and all. CVA: Just stick on some autocannon if you want. Octavinus: You can do that as well? CVA: Yes. Octavinus: Got to try that. Thanks a lot.
And if you think the learning stopped there, you're wrong - as the story goes on a bit:
I then proceeded to fit small autocannon to my duramaller and went out into 0.0 Providence to hunt me some pirates. Unfortunaltely Mr CVA had not mentioned that autocannon use ammunition so the following fight was somewhat onesided. And now CCP won't reimburse me claiming it was my own fault. How can it be my fault? Honestly, CCP must really love these BoB people we're supposed to be fighting.
So now, I'm back in high sec empire mining for another maller - but this time I'll remember to stick some crystals in the cargohold to complete my new and improved autocannon design. So, once I have that ready I can only say this:
BoB beware, Octavinus is coming.
PS. To those who have posted in this thread without using simple smack - respect to you. It has been a very entertaining read, even if I havn't been able to attend the events.
Q: Do you know how to make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin him and roll him in salt. |
![Panthothen Panthothen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/567277566/portrait?size=64)
Panthothen
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 10:54:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I don't get all this smacktalk about the Coalition (CVA is on the same side as the coalition and not the alliance, right?) being so bad at fleet combat. I just don't get it. We all learn all the time.
Just the other day I was talking to one of CVA's fleet commanders concerning ways to fit a ship for fleet combat - and I learned a few things, I'd like to share. I have just finished typing the conversation into this page (I really think Microsoft should invent some function to copy text from one place to another, but maybe that's just me).
My CVA Fleet commander said he didn't want his name in this post, so I have changed his sig to "CVA" - I guess it has something to do with him not wanting to have it become known how experienced he is at fleet fights so he'll be primary at all times.
So here's the discussion I'd like to share:
Octavinus: I really dont like the Amarr ships - they're so limited in the ways you can set them up. CVA: Then fly something else. Octavinus: I can't - I'm Amarr. CVA: Just train the other race's ships. Octavinus: Can you do that? CVA: Yes Octavinus: As an Amarr? CVA: Yes Octavinus: And it's legal? CVA: Yes Octavinus: Won't CCP get you banned for doing it? CVA: No Octavinus: You won't even get a warning? CVA: No Octavinus: Wow. So if I wanted to I could train for Gallente battleships and use those as missile boats? CVA: Yes. Don't think it would be a good idea though. Octavinus: Hmm. But the Amarr ships are still very limited aren't they? I mean lasers only and all. CVA: Just stick on some autocannon if you want. Octavinus: You can do that as well? CVA: Yes. Octavinus: Got to try that. Thanks a lot.
And if you think the learning stopped there, you're wrong - as the story goes on a bit:
I then proceeded to fit small autocannon to my duramaller and went out into 0.0 Providence to hunt me some pirates. Unfortunaltely Mr CVA had not mentioned that autocannon use ammunition so the following fight was somewhat onesided. And now CCP won't reimburse me claiming it was my own fault. How can it be my fault? Honestly, CCP must really love these BoB people we're supposed to be fighting.
So now, I'm back in high sec empire mining for another maller - but this time I'll remember to stick some crystals in the cargohold to complete my new and improved autocannon design. So, once I have that ready I can only say this:
BoB beware, Octavinus is coming.
PS. To those who have posted in this thread without using simple smack - respect to you. It has been a very entertaining read, even if I havn't been able to attend the events.
oh-my-god, what?!
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![NokNok NokNok](https://images.evetech.net/characters/329989695/portrait?size=64)
NokNok
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.21 11:07:00 -
[203]
I just spilled a whole lot of coke all over the table ![Evil or Very Mad](/images/icon_evil.gif)
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![Nekumi Nekumi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/742453969/portrait?size=64)
Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.21 11:08:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I don't get all this smacktalk about the Coalition (CVA is on the same side as the coalition and not the alliance, right?) being so bad at fleet combat. I just don't get it. We all learn all the time.
Just the other day I was talking to one of CVA's fleet commanders concerning ways to fit a ship for fleet combat - and I learned a few things, I'd like to share. I have just finished typing the conversation into this page (I really think Microsoft should invent some function to copy text from one place to another, but maybe that's just me).
My CVA Fleet commander said he didn't want his name in this post, so I have changed his sig to "CVA" - I guess it has something to do with him not wanting to have it become known how experienced he is at fleet fights so he'll be primary at all times.
So here's the discussion I'd like to share:
Octavinus: I really dont like the Amarr ships - they're so limited in the ways you can set them up. CVA: Then fly something else. Octavinus: I can't - I'm Amarr. CVA: Just train the other race's ships. Octavinus: Can you do that? CVA: Yes Octavinus: As an Amarr? CVA: Yes Octavinus: And it's legal? CVA: Yes Octavinus: Won't CCP get you banned for doing it? CVA: No Octavinus: You won't even get a warning? CVA: No Octavinus: Wow. So if I wanted to I could train for Gallente battleships and use those as missile boats? CVA: Yes. Don't think it would be a good idea though. Octavinus: Hmm. But the Amarr ships are still very limited aren't they? I mean lasers only and all. CVA: Just stick on some autocannon if you want. Octavinus: You can do that as well? CVA: Yes. Octavinus: Got to try that. Thanks a lot.
And if you think the learning stopped there, you're wrong - as the story goes on a bit:
I then proceeded to fit small autocannon to my duramaller and went out into 0.0 Providence to hunt me some pirates. Unfortunaltely Mr CVA had not mentioned that autocannon use ammunition so the following fight was somewhat onesided. And now CCP won't reimburse me claiming it was my own fault. How can it be my fault? Honestly, CCP must really love these BoB people we're supposed to be fighting.
So now, I'm back in high sec empire mining for another maller - but this time I'll remember to stick some crystals in the cargohold to complete my new and improved autocannon design. So, once I have that ready I can only say this:
BoB beware, Octavinus is coming.
PS. To those who have posted in this thread without using simple smack - respect to you. It has been a very entertaining read, even if I havn't been able to attend the events.
Nice ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Kagura Nikon Kagura Nikon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/520439885/portrait?size=64)
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 11:11:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke If IAC has a titan fund, then they're more insane than I thought they were. Tyrrax would get that blown up in a spectacular fireball within a month. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
And you really think we would put anythign alliance founded in Tyrrax hands? You know some alliances don 't automagically select their leaders to get the big toys.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
![Proxay Proxay](https://images.evetech.net/characters/781584111/portrait?size=64)
Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2007.09.21 11:27:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke If IAC has a titan fund, then they're more insane than I thought they were. Tyrrax would get that blown up in a spectacular fireball within a month. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
And you really think we would put anythign alliance founded in Tyrrax hands? You know some alliances don 't automagically select their leaders to get the big toys.
You pick the most well skilled person for the job, as well as the financially best off, as they can fund officer and faction mods for it etc. That may very well be the alliance leader.
stop nuking my sig Kruel :P Nuffin but luv - Kreul ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif) |
![Hellaciouss Hellaciouss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660961955/portrait?size=64)
Hellaciouss
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 12:47:00 -
[207]
Whelp, lets see if FAT get more exciting today with the amount of POS's that are coming out.
So far 1 saved, no McBoB BloB.
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![tEvEy tEvEy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/754855234/portrait?size=64)
tEvEy
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 12:56:00 -
[208]
keep this thread updated i wanna know if we save any pos's . i'm at work
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![tEvEy tEvEy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/754855234/portrait?size=64)
tEvEy
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.21 13:44:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Hellaciouss
2 POS repped and saved, still no McBoB BloB.
YAY! GJ guys
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![Pilk Pilk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/707571314/portrait?size=64)
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.21 14:02:00 -
[210]
Edited by: Pilk on 21/09/2007 14:05:48
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 21/09/2007 01:39:56
Originally by: Pilk
If you don't already see a FAT- sovereignty switch as a matter of time, you are deluding yourself. IAC leadership realizes it's a lost cause, and are trying to make us pay for it, same as I'd do in their place. But it's ours in effect, even if not in the upper-left corner of our screens. You killed two unsupported MC dreadnoughts that were in the wrong place, congratulations. Do you realize that our capital fleet in 49-U was over 80 ships?
At the risk of sounding like a Molle post, barring horrific ****-ups or huge game mechanic changes, you're dead. No better time than now to start getting used to it.
Don't believe me? Ask Tyrrax what station his X-type hardeners are in.
--P
http://eve.klaki.net/hardeners.jpg
The full slave set I lost in tournament that GMs reimbursed is there too, in fact I have more assets there than anywhere else, have a moros and 380000 arkonor in 25s too ![ugh](/images/icon_bear.gif)
Since I know how rich you Axiom Empire guys are, how about a wager ? I'll bet you 2 billion ISK that IAC will still own FAT- a month from now.
To be fair, I said hardeners, plural. If that's your only set, my apologies.
I'm not quite as rich as you apparently think I am. Still, I'd be happy to do a 500m bet. Post if you agree, along with a specific date so there's no confusion. We pay on our own recognizance. If you don't think my e-honor is important enough to me, I'll arrange assets in escrow.
--P
Edit: To clarify--this is me, personally, taking this bet. Not AXE. I do not speak for AXE; never have, probably never will. AXE leadership speaks mostly through highly-amusing crayon drawings. (I frankly have no idea what incident that second one refers to.)
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. |
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