Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Ather Ialeas

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18/11/2007 ?

Do you want to lock your answer?

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Welcome to cap ships online.

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Welcome to cap ships online.

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

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Originally by: Elmicker

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

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Originally by: Elmicker

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

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Originally by: BoB sucks

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Only 100 more large poses to go until BoB gets a positive k/d ratio for the war!

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Originally by: Omega Man

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Originally by: BoB sucks

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Only 100 more large poses to go until BoB gets a positive k/d ratio for the war!

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WTS : A clue.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Welcome to cap ships online.

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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+ 5 moms + 20 carriers :)

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Elmicker

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

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Haha, that guy was in F4R earlier, we told him to go to FAT and ask there, didn't think he would actually do it

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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Lag was surviveable, mostly. Good fight, huge amount of capitals (I counted 6 or 7 motherships) but we managed to have a couple of fun engagements.

I think everyone would agree that the most epic part of the fight was when right in the middle of the battle, when BoB had just jumped in a whole bunch of their capitals, and everyone is flying around, shooting each other, explosions everywhere, and suddenly there is blue text in local:

IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

I don't think I've laughed so hard in quite a while. :D

Gf BoB and pet, and Dead Prophet: Take your smacking somewhere else.

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Originally by: Dr Smythe

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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Gf BoB and pet, and Dead Prophet: Take your smacking somewhere else.

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And you don't think that this is smacking? Contradiction ftl

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stop nuking my sig Kruel :P
Nuffin but luv - Kreul

Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Elmicker

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

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Haha, that guy was in F4R earlier, we told him to go to FAT and ask there, didn't think he would actually do it

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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Gf BoB and pet, and Dead Prophet: Take your smacking somewhere else.

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Welcome to cap ships online.

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Elmicker

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Originally by: Victor Ivanov

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IC Ernesto Roque > <br>hello I'm a reporter from the Interstellar Correspondents, looking for info about the market in this region. If any one of you are available for an interview please feel free to convo me, thanks

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Haha, that guy was in F4R earlier, we told him to go to FAT and ask there, didn't think he would actually do it

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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you didn't want that pos anyway

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Welcome to cap ships online.

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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O rly?

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Originally by: Artean

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Edited by: Artean on 19/09/2007 07:21:51

Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Seriously... Is this EVE fleet engagements nowadays? Have cap ship gone cookie cutter?

Damn, this game has gone down hill.

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: Artean

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Edited by: Artean on 19/09/2007 07:21:51

Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Seriously... Is this EVE fleet engagements nowadays? Have cap ship gone cookie cutter?

Damn, this game has gone down hill.

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Yup.

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Or is forum whining all you will offer?

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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You see, according to band of brothers, there never is and never will be a problem with carriers causing lag, as of course it's only cryswarm trying to nerf bob's superior tactics.

Who cares that in a few months time 20 mothership, 80 carrier fleets will become the norm, with 1500 fighters on grid. Obviously this issue should be totally ignored by CCP, and if it is not ignored then obviously CCP is goon biased.

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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"Will CCP be blackmailed again" thread is -----> that way

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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also the cyno jammer module really does not help in keeping numbers low in systems as the thing has a stupid ammount of structure and has to be taken down by conventional fleets.

just my 2 cents

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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You see, according to band of brothers, there never is and never will be a problem with carriers causing lag, as of course it's only cryswarm trying to nerf bob's superior tactics.

Who cares that in a few months time 20 mothership, 80 carrier fleets will become the norm, with 1500 fighters on grid. Obviously this issue should be totally ignored by CCP, and if it is not ignored then obviously CCP is goon biased.

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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You see, according to band of brothers, there never is and never will be a problem with carriers causing lag, as of course it's only cryswarm trying to nerf bob's superior tactics.

Who cares that in a few months time 20 mothership, 80 carrier fleets will become the norm, with 1500 fighters on grid. Obviously this issue should be totally ignored by CCP, and if it is not ignored then obviously CCP is goon biased.

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You're also forgetting the Advanced Drone AIÖ Incorporated in our fighters, allowing them to find their own targets without the need of being shot at or commanded by the player and thus being unaffected by lag. Hell yeah.

P.S. I colored the bits that are true as blue.
P.P.S. Nobody likes lag

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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You see, according to band of brothers, there never is and never will be a problem with carriers causing lag, as of course it's only cryswarm trying to nerf bob's superior tactics.

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Who cares that in a few months time 20 mothership, 80 carrier fleets will become the norm, with 1500 fighters on grid. Obviously this issue should be totally ignored by CCP, and if it is not ignored then obviously CCP is goon biased.

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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Mc alone, bob alone = they lose. Mc + bob = they win till their opponents adapt to fighting both at once.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 19/09/2007 11:01:07

STOP YOUR WHINING. Enough is enough.

In Feb and March, the North was hitting Querious regularly with cap fleets of 30-40 ships.

In March, the North hit the MC cap yards with 47 dreads. The estimated enemy cap ship count on the night the first came out was 82.

The next day, AAA finished one of them off with 26. We didnÆt wilt, we threw everything we had at them and they left with five dreads less.

In Fade we saw enemy cap fleets form up in ROIR-Y and other coalition systems that easily rivaled our own.

When we were attacking LXWN, Morsus Mihi and the other powers assembled a force of 44 dreads and assorted other capital craziness to stop us.

We got blobbed, we got doomsdayed and we got pounded on more than one occasion. We just didn't let it stop us.

Six weeks ago in Querious there were 40-50 capital ships from AAA, IAC, Reckoning and God knows who else hitting FIX towers. Enemy BS fleets AVERAGED 80+ in number, often reaching the triple digits. Outnumbered, outgunned, we didn't complain about it. We dealt with it.

This war is not just about ships, it's also about the logistics to use them. If you fail in that, it's already over anyway.

If you don't have the tools to defend yourselves it's because you either lack the knowledge to use them properly or the will to risk losing them. Fortunately, we lack neither. Our toys don't stay in the box, we bring them out to play.

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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How to counter such massive attacks? Well, you cannot fight this blob, I really doubt you can (at least not with the current servers). So what is to do? Distraction! Open up other fronts. They want to take system A? Well, if you cannot prevent this, then at least get the most of it. Attack system B which is of big importance for the enemey, so it would hurt them to lose it. They then can decide to continue the attack of system A or to draw back and defend system B.

THAT is the way to counter the big blobs. The direct confrontation is from a certain size upwards a bad choice and indirect warfare is much more efficient.

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Originally by: Artean

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Edited by: Artean on 19/09/2007 07:21:51

Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Seriously... Is this EVE fleet engagements nowadays? Have cap ship gone cookie cutter?

Damn, this game has gone down hill.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Originally by: Artean

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Edited by: Artean on 19/09/2007 07:21:51

Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Seriously... Is this EVE fleet engagements nowadays? Have cap ship gone cookie cutter?

Damn, this game has gone down hill.

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Yup.

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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The arms race is on. BOB and allies can field more capships than anyone else and they use them, to not use them would be a waste, whats the point in having them if your not using them, lag issues are CCp's problem, last time i checked CCP introduced the cap ships and wanted them to be used. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out everyone that can afford them will buy them and then we will have massive ammounts of cap ships.

This whole issue popped up 4 years ago also when everyone had battleships and then it was drone lag from normal drones, now its fighter lag from carriers.

Its all the players Fault tbh, if a gang of 20 is camping your system why bring 50? all that happens is next time the gang of 20 brings 80 and so on until critical mass is attained and the server lags out and then its all cry on forums for nerfs.

Unfortunatly with CCP's changes to the way pos work and the fact you can spam systems with pos it makes territory wars so long and drawn out with so much firepower been needed to take down all these pos that alliances have no options but to bring as much to bear as possible, so out comes the uber cap ship fleet and down go all the pos, week later repeat in next system and so on and so on.

also the cyno jammer module really does not help in keeping numbers low in systems as the thing has a stupid ammount of structure and has to be taken down by conventional fleets.

just my 2 cents

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Artean

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Edited by: Artean on 19/09/2007 07:21:51

Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Edited by: Karim alRashid on 19/09/2007 06:56:21

Originally by: DeadProphet

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We only had 19 dreads

Welcome to excuses online!

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They only had 19 dreads. Dunno, my screen was not big enough to count (look at the scrollbars). Oh well, everyone tries to find his way to win, BoB/MC choose to win through superior tactics and skill

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Seriously... Is this EVE fleet engagements nowadays? Have cap ship gone cookie cutter?

Damn, this game has gone down hill.

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Originally by: stephane devaulx

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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The arms race is on. BOB and allies can field more capships than anyone else and they use them, to not use them would be a waste, whats the point in having them if your not using them, lag issues are CCp's problem, last time i checked CCP introduced the cap ships and wanted them to be used. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out everyone that can afford them will buy them and then we will have massive ammounts of cap ships.

This whole issue popped up 4 years ago also when everyone had battleships and then it was drone lag from normal drones, now its fighter lag from carriers.

Its all the players Fault tbh, if a gang of 20 is camping your system why bring 50? all that happens is next time the gang of 20 brings 80 and so on until critical mass is attained and the server lags out and then its all cry on forums for nerfs.

Unfortunatly with CCP's changes to the way pos work and the fact you can spam systems with pos it makes territory wars so long and drawn out with so much firepower been needed to take down all these pos that alliances have no options but to bring as much to bear as possible, so out comes the uber cap ship fleet and down go all the pos, week later repeat in next system and so on and so on.

also the cyno jammer module really does not help in keeping numbers low in systems as the thing has a stupid ammount of structure and has to be taken down by conventional fleets.

just my 2 cents

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fake

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Originally by: Seleene

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STOP YOUR WHINING. Enough is enough.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 19/09/2007 11:01:07
STOP YOUR WHINING. Enough is enough.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 19/09/2007 11:01:07
If you don't have the tools to defend yourselves it's because you either lack the knowledge to use them properly or the will to risk losing them. Fortunately, we lack neither. Our toys don't stay in the box, we bring them out to play.

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People expressed their disgust that the 0.0 POS warfare is won by whoever can buy more capitals.

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Originally by: Seleene

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How could this happen to me
I've made my mistakes
got nowhere to run
The night goes on as IÆm fading away
I'm sick of this life
I just wanna scream
How could this happen to me

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Originally by: Astasia Orian

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Edited by: Astasia Orian on 19/09/2007 13:37:35

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People expressed their disgust that the 0.0 POS warfare is won by whoever can buy more capitals.

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Whine.

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Originally by: Astasia Orian

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There's no point stronting to Russian time if your Russian doesn't come rep the tower.

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Originally by: Astasia Orian

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Edited by: Astasia Orian on 19/09/2007 13:37:35

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People expressed their disgust that the 0.0 POS warfare is won by whoever can buy more capitals.

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Whine.

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Again. Your attempt to label every statement you don't like as "whining" is nothing more than lame trolling.

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Originally by: Astasia Orian

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Edited by: Astasia Orian on 19/09/2007 13:37:35

Quote:

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People expressed their disgust that the 0.0 POS warfare is won by whoever can buy more capitals.

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Whine.

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Again. Your attempt to label every statement you don't like as "whining" is nothing more than lame trolling.

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did you read more than the first word of his reply?

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Originally by: Angor

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Reading 3 pages and i still have no real clue as to what is really going on in FAT? Lots of complaints about cap blobs but not really much else. Someone give us a round about update on the status of the system? Are IAC loosing towers fast? Have AAA left IAC to die alone? Has the beer ran out yet?

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Garreck

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Lag and tactics can be argued until everybody's blue in the face, and you'll never come to any real resolution.

Seleene's main point about alliance willpower, however, can't be debated. In the end, it's willpower that wins wars. From that willpower, logistics are improved and better tactics are developed in the face of adversity. From that willpower, alliances stay together, buy themselves time to develop a real plan, and stick to the fight.

When that willpower collapses, that's when things go south. Goonswarm proved they had the willpower to survive BoB's initial onslaught and get where they are now, what, over a year later? MC proved they had the willpower to take some wicked hits in the North and perservere and succeed in their campaign. These two organizations couldn't be more opposite, but they both have willpower in spades and have demonstrated its virtues.

IAC can survive and even win this war. They have the allies, they have the numbers.

What remains to be seen is if they have the will.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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BOB/M$/FIX

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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BOB/M$/FIX

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Fixed it for you. Oh, wai...

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Garreck

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Lag and tactics can be argued until everybody's blue in the face, and you'll never come to any real resolution.

Seleene's main point about alliance willpower, however, can't be debated. In the end, it's willpower that wins wars. From that willpower, logistics are improved and better tactics are developed in the face of adversity. From that willpower, alliances stay together, buy themselves time to develop a real plan, and stick to the fight.

When that willpower collapses, that's when things go south. Goonswarm proved they had the willpower to survive BoB's initial onslaught and get where they are now, what, over a year later? MC proved they had the willpower to take some wicked hits in the North and perservere and succeed in their campaign. These two organizations couldn't be more opposite, but they both have willpower in spades and have demonstrated its virtues.

IAC can survive and even win this war. They have the allies, they have the numbers.

What remains to be seen is if they have the will.

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Originally by: Seleene

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STOP YOUR WHINING. Enough is enough.

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NO, YOU STOP WHINING. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

You stop whining ang crying against anyone, who expresses even a minor dislike of Capships Online (TM).

Nobody said you did anything wrong by dropping the capblob on FAT yesterday.

Repeat if you're too dumb to understand.

Nobody said you did anything wrong by dropping the capblob on FAT yesterday.

People expressed their disgust that the 0.0 POS warfare is won by whoever can buy more capitals. People expressed their disgust that 0.0 POS warfare has made everything other than capitals irrelevant.

NOW GET IT ?

And think twice before menioning the cyno jammer.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Pretty clear to me after the miserable failures that were Prohibition I & II that IAC has willpower and stamina in spades.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Originally by: Karim alRashid

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Originally by: Seleene

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STOP YOUR WHINING. Enough is enough.

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NO, YOU STOP WHINING. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

You stop whining ang crying against anyone, who expresses even a minor dislike of Capships Online (TM).

Nobody said you did anything wrong by dropping the capblob on FAT yesterday.

Repeat if you're too dumb to understand.

Nobody said you did anything wrong by dropping the capblob on FAT yesterday.

People expressed their disgust that the 0.0 POS warfare is won by whoever can buy more capitals. People expressed their disgust that 0.0 POS warfare has made everything other than capitals irrelevant.

NOW GET IT ?

And think twice before menioning the cyno jammer.

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How about you come out from that little rock you are hiding about to take pictures and come fight instead of yanking ur yapper?


I find it most amusing that most of big mouths like you are nearly non existant in the field , except ofc from local smacking and foaming their mouths at the forum .

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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How about you come out from that little rock you are hiding about to take pictures and come fight instead of yanking ur yapper?

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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Then ehh whats the problem? if others can field same or more cap ships then problem solved no need for whinefest as regards cap ships.

Cheers.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Pretty clear to me after the miserable failures that were Prohibition I & II that IAC has willpower and stamina in spades.
Maybe if we ran out of alcohol we'd be beatable, until then we can be knocked down, but not kept down.

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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There's no memory like a short one!

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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IAC was completely beaten and utterly supine in both Prohibitions. MC simply left the field each time for reasons that had nothing whatever to do with IAC. IAC was left squabbling on the boards, pointing fingers, and crying in POSs -- until they were bailed out by external events.

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Evil Thug, you watching this? It's like you weren't even there.

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If IAC gets bailed out yet again by AAA (why do they prop up this weak carebear/farmer alliance?), in three months, Tyrrax will here on the boards taking credit for it.

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Originally by: Mestor Riklar

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...Even if we were able to match their cap numbers (which, as I'm sure everyone is aware of, we're not even close to being able to)...You show me an alliance that can face MC, BoB, FiX, ISS, AXE, D-L, Aftermath, Interdiction etc. singlehandedly and not come out a bit ruffled from the experience...

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Two MC dreads down, moros & phoenix. More to follow shortly

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Originally by: DeWieKat

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Two MC dreads down, moros & phoenix. More to follow shortly

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do not turn it into a smackfest....

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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IAC was never even remotely close to being beaten, you should go read MC's press releases on the subject, seeing as how they were actually present and fighting their opinions are a bit more relevant than your flaccid trolling.

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The arms race is on. BOB and allies can field more capships than anyone else and they use them

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 19/09/2007 17:15:07
If we're so worthless and weak, please explain why it took MC and about 14 other alliances to stop our Querious offensive ? Or was IAC completely irrelevant there too riding AAA's coattails in your little fantasy world ?

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Originally by: Farham

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it will be those very same numbers using the same tactic that will make 0.0 nearly unplayable.

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Originally by: Necronomicon

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For the record, Prohibition I involved KIA alongside the MC against IAC. From recollection, IAC did indeed bring it in a big way, but due to employer/employee relations breaking down (employer did a bunk) KIA and MC decided to withdraw from the field as we were no longer getting the 'cheddar'.

BoB&Co AND IAC&Co have some serious smacktards in their ranks that need culling, then everyone can get back to what is important, whacking the jebus out of each other in game. I am sooooo jealous of the frequent shenanigans that you guys are getting up to. I wish our targets were so willing to come and play.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Two MC dreads down, moros & phoenix. More to follow shortly

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Two MC dreads down, moros & phoenix. More to follow shortly

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Nothing for IAC to boast about tbh... there's only one of your members on both Dread killmails... and a whole two of you in the fleet battle report... You should be congratulating CVA and -A- rather than chest-beating on Eve-O trying to take the credit.

(Note I winked as well just to show I'm not trying to smack talk here)

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Originally by: Andargor theWise

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We had a short engagement with Seleene and 3 other moms + assorted support at FAT station. I think MC won ISK-wise, a few BSes could not be saved by our 4 carriers, but it was a nice fun fight!

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Nothing for IAC to boast about tbh... there's only one of your members on both Dread killmails... and a whole two of you in the fleet battle report... You should be congratulating CVA and -A- rather than chest-beating on Eve-O trying to take the credit.Wink

(Note I winked as well just to show I'm not trying to smack talk here)

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Originally by: Panthothen

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Edited by: Panthothen on 20/09/2007 06:34:15

Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Nothing for IAC to boast about tbh... there's only one of your members on both Dread killmails... and a whole two of you in the fleet battle report... You should be congratulating CVA and -A- rather than chest-beating on Eve-O trying to take the credit.Wink

(Note I winked as well just to show I'm not trying to smack talk here)

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Also, truncated mails. AAA led the offensive on those kills, no argument there.

Edit: quoted wrong person

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Cyvok's Alt

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Well guys you have to ask the honest question.. do you care about losing FAT? If you guys don't care then admit it to yourselves and more importantly tell the leadership. Frankly from what I saw when I was online yesterday I think the majority of the alliance does not give a rats ass. But who can blame them? Titans utterly suck the fun out of the game and having a bunch of idiots cheat, lag you to death and laugh about it would make Genghis Khan take up gardening and play The Sims. People seemed to feel like they will make their stand in JZV. If thats true then admit it. The leadership can only turn that around once they know what the true problem is. The can only plan once they know what they truly have to work with. They can only motivate when they actually know what you are really thinking.

Fact is guys you can beat BOB. I have Seen IAC in full rage and its awe inspiring. They know you can beat them. thats why they have every alliance they can sc*****together here and they only came once we had been exhausted.. Take a look at BOB numbers in every gang sometime. It's not much. BOB is actually dying as an alliance and they are using their allies numbers to cover it. Those that join them basically stop playing after a few weeks as being in BOB is actually not that much fun. Once that Carrier exploit goes (and it will, believe you me) their systems will start *****ing apart like eggs. As to when that will happen your guess is as good as mine. Will it happen in time to pull numbers out of here? I really don't know, up to you guys I guess.

I'm trying not to be harsh here and I'm sorry if I have offended people. Oh and the GMs will blow up guns on destroyed Poses if its your pos and you say you want to put up another one, so file a petition about it.

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Originally by: Taj Zela

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I intercepted Cyvok's message to IAC:

Originally by: Cyvok's Alt

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Well guys you have to ask the honest question.. do you care about losing FAT? If you guys don't care then admit it to yourselves and more importantly tell the leadership. Frankly from what I saw when I was online yesterday I think the majority of the alliance does not give a rats ass. But who can blame them? Titans utterly suck the fun out of the game and having a bunch of idiots cheat, lag you to death and laugh about it would make Genghis Khan take up gardening and play The Sims. People seemed to feel like they will make their stand in JZV. If thats true then admit it. The leadership can only turn that around once they know what the true problem is. The can only plan once they know what they truly have to work with. They can only motivate when they actually know what you are really thinking.

Fact is guys you can beat BOB. I have Seen IAC in full rage and its awe inspiring. They know you can beat them. thats why they have every alliance they can sc*****together here and they only came once we had been exhausted.. Take a look at BOB numbers in every gang sometime. It's not much. BOB is actually dying as an alliance and they are using their allies numbers to cover it. Those that join them basically stop playing after a few weeks as being in BOB is actually not that much fun. Once that Carrier exploit goes (and it will, believe you me) their systems will start *****ing apart like eggs. As to when that will happen your guess is as good as mine. Will it happen in time to pull numbers out of here? I really don't know, up to you guys I guess.

I'm trying not to be harsh here and I'm sorry if I have offended people. Oh and the GMs will blow up guns on destroyed Poses if its your pos and you say you want to put up another one, so file a petition about it.

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I can't believe IAC let Cyvok in their alliance.

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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Obviously this issue should be totally ignored by CCP, and if it is not ignored then obviously CCP is goon biased.

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Originally by: 1Of9

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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Obviously this issue should be totally ignored by CCP, and if it is not ignored then obviously CCP is goon biased.

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here we go again .. cry little baby, cry ..

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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I'd rather IAC didn't post stuff like this on forums, they don't need to be informed, especially not by us since it comes across as chestbeating.

If you must inform the masses, do so properly in a battlereport with details, not just one line about hostile losing stuff..

*eyes Thundirr and Sokratesz*

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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I'd rather IAC didn't post stuff like this on forums, they don't need to be informed, especially not by us since it comes across as chestbeating.

If you must inform the masses, do so properly in a battlereport with details, not just one line about hostile losing stuff..

*eyes Thundirr and Sokratesz*

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Excellent plan!

It's best not to take credit for things you didn't do the hour after they happen.

Instead, wait a few weeks, and THEN do it. It's worked for you in the past, right? Next month, it'll be "the war turned when IAC destroyed those MC dreads in FAT!". Well played.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition?

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition? I wonder who gave the orders for working that angle so hard.

Its pretty funny really, from trying to create a rift between RA and Goons by talking about how 'no Goon capitals jumped into OOY' to now how IAC 'claims victories over MC' and how AAA/Evil Thug should be upset about that.

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Originally by: Airi Sato

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition?

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Yes, for a couple of months already at least.

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Originally by: Andargor theWise

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition? I wonder who gave the orders for working that angle so hard.

Its pretty funny really, from trying to create a rift between RA and Goons by talking about how 'no Goon capitals jumped into OOY' to now how IAC 'claims victories over MC' and how AAA/Evil Thug should be upset about that.

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Well, like in sports, rooting for your team is natural. But I have found that ironically, most communications between our side and the other side have been cordial. Even more so on the battlefield.

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition? I wonder who gave the orders for working that angle so hard.

Its pretty funny really, from trying to create a rift between RA and Goons by talking about how 'no Goon capitals jumped into OOY' to now how IAC 'claims victories over MC' and how AAA/Evil Thug should be upset about that.

Pretty transparant spin really.

Getting desperate?

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Originally by: Levka

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Quote:

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition? I wonder who gave the orders for working that angle so hard.

Its pretty funny really, from trying to create a rift between RA and Goons by talking about how 'no Goon capitals jumped into OOY' to now how IAC 'claims victories over MC' and how AAA/Evil Thug should be upset about that.

Pretty transparant spin really.

Getting desperate?

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And your post supposed to be something new?

You do realise that every war is fought on 2 fronts. There is your regular "pew pew" warfare that happens every day on the battlefield and then there is intelligence warfare.

Intelligence warfare can be be both harmless and malicious and can include anything from trading strategies between two allies and up to trading internal secrets or even spying and in case of EVE "Forum Warfare".

Unlike what people say, everyone does it. We all know that enemy with low morale will fail. Why do you think there are 100 threads about BoB, trashing and sometimes insulting us.

I enjoy reading all this stuff on the forums actually as it makes me laugh (as long as it doesnt contain any personal attacks and insults of course).

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Theory

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stop nuking my sig Kruel :P
Nuffin but luv - Kreul

Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Yes, yes, because the coalition has never attempted to divide BoB,MC,FIX in the past. NEVER! Hypocrisy FTL.

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Theory

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That's all good and well...but everyone else does it...why does that make bob and co desperate, but not anyone else?

Care to explain?

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition? I wonder who gave the orders for working that angle so hard.

Its pretty funny really, from trying to create a rift between RA and Goons by talking about how 'no Goon capitals jumped into OOY' to now how IAC 'claims victories over MC' and how AAA/Evil Thug should be upset about that.

Pretty transparant spin really.

Getting desperate?

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Anyone else notice how all these alts (and some BoB mains) have started a campaign to try and divide the Coalition? I wonder who gave the orders for working that angle so hard.

Its pretty funny really, from trying to create a rift between RA and Goons by talking about how 'no Goon capitals jumped into OOY' to now how IAC 'claims victories over MC' and how AAA/Evil Thug should be upset about that.

Pretty transparant spin really.

Getting desperate?

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"Getting desperate" would imply that we are losing. Before you go all frothing-mouth on me, yes, BoB has lost some space, but it's in their outer regions (and in many cases, was "overextension" space that could only really be maintained at that level because of the Titan mechanics at the time). IAC has now lost, quite legitimately (i.e., they lost it to a superior enemy, not to offlined POS's, 600-man rookie-ship lagbombs, or login traps) 25S-, and is about to lose FAT-6P. FAT-, especially, is a core system for them. At worst, the battle holds. In reality, I feel GBC is winning right now.

As to your suggestion of a widely-coordinated spinfest, even I noticed the lack of Goon capitals on the field in 0OY, just looking over killboards. It was disconcerting, because I'd recently run across this report, which illustrates that Goon quite clearly does have a capital fleet. It's not a diabolically-engineered scheme to split the loyalties of the coalition, it's a simple request for an answer to an obvious question--where were the Goon capitals?

As to IAC crowing about killing two MC dreadnoughts, it was just hard to believe the extensive use of first-person from a fleet that showed up late and was a bit over 50% the size of -A-'s. cf. RED and Goons, apparently, Russians don't particularly care if others take credit for their accomplishments, but it's grating to see IAC saying that this is proof their alliance is still strong and vital when an alliance a fraction of their size fielded a bigger fleet and did all the work.

--P

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Originally by: Pilk

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IAC has now lost, quite legitimately (i.e., they lost it to a superior enemy, not to offlined POS's, 600-man rookie-ship lagbombs, or login traps) 25S-, and is about to lose FAT-6P. FAT-, especially, is a core system for them. At worst, the battle holds. In reality, I feel GBC is winning right now.

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Originally by: Kanae

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Odd how people are getting on IAC for not taking out MC/BOB/FIX/AXE/EXE/+10merc corps by themselves

All this talk about being bailed out by AAA... I'm sure they want to kill bobits no matter where they are

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Originally by: Pilk

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In the end, the Alliance's united leadership means that, when Molle says, "Go here, shoot this," we go there and shoot that.

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Kanae

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Odd how people are getting on IAC for not taking out MC/BOB/FIX/AXE/EXE/+10merc corps by themselves

All this talk about being bailed out by AAA... I'm sure they want to kill bobits no matter where they are

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We brought everyone we knew to the party. IAC has done the same, and continues to try to bring more--witness the epic Goon "tank for EM damage doomsdays!" fleetdeath to Orange Species' Ragnarok a few days back. IAC's allies, with the very notable exception of -A-, simply can't be arsed to regularly travel 40+ jumps to help them. The Alliance thrives on helping its friends, even at tremendous logistical cost, even if those friends, frankly, suck--just look at our 5-capital-jump trip down into Fountain to defend a bunch of Xelas POS's against Morsus Mihi in the middle of our Northern campaign against D2 and friends.

In the end, the Alliance's united leadership means that, when Molle says, "Go here, shoot this," we go there and shoot that. In the Coalition, a thousand little egos must be danced around to get anything done. Until you appoint a fleet admiral, you'll be a swarm of ants trying to take down an army. You'll occasionally take down a soldier or two, but you'd take down a lot more if half your army weren't invading the picnic across the street, and half of what's left weren't busy building a new anthill in Uruguay.

--P

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Pilk

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IAC has now lost, quite legitimately (i.e., they lost it to a superior enemy, not to offlined POS's, 600-man rookie-ship lagbombs, or login traps) 25S-, and is about to lose FAT-6P. FAT-, especially, is a core system for them. At worst, the battle holds. In reality, I feel GBC is winning right now.

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Pretty hard to take the system when you failed to take POS down today that came out of reinforced

Maybe FAT will see a more eventful day tomorrow

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Kanae

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Odd how people are getting on IAC for not taking out MC/BOB/FIX/AXE/EXE/+10merc corps by themselves

All this talk about being bailed out by AAA... I'm sure they want to kill bobits no matter where they are

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We brought everyone we knew to the party. IAC has done the same, and continues to try to bring more--witness the epic Goon "tank for EM damage doomsdays!" fleetdeath to Orange Species' Ragnarok a few days back. IAC's allies, with the very notable exception of -A-, simply can't be arsed to regularly travel 40+ jumps to help them. The Alliance thrives on helping its friends, even at tremendous logistical cost, even if those friends, frankly, suck--just look at our 5-capital-jump trip down into Fountain to defend a bunch of Xelas POS's against Morsus Mihi in the middle of our Northern campaign against D2 and friends.

In the end, the Alliance's united leadership means that, when Molle says, "Go here, shoot this," we go there and shoot that. In the Coalition, a thousand little egos must be danced around to get anything done. Until you appoint a fleet admiral, you'll be a swarm of ants trying to take down an army. You'll occasionally take down a soldier or two, but you'd take down a lot more if half your army weren't invading the picnic across the street, and half of what's left weren't busy building a new anthill in Uruguay.

--P

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You'll occasionally take down a soldier or two, but you'd take down a lot more if half your army weren't invading the picnic across the street, and half of what's left weren't busy building a new anthill in Uruguay.

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Originally by: TWD

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Yes Malachon Draco, its all a big conspiracy again out to get you. Remember the time you were convinced your TS was being invaded by us? >:(. You kept on posting about it, and never was open for other options until another group came forward with doing it. HahaHAHA.

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Originally by: TWD

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Yes Malachon Draco, its all a big conspiracy again out to get you. Remember the time you were convinced your TS was being invaded by us? >:(. You kept on posting about it, and never was open for other options until another group came forward with doing it. HahaHAHA.

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Originally by: Pnuka

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Fleet Admiral Molle has a nice ring to it.

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stop nuking my sig Kruel :P
Nuffin but luv - Kreul

Originally by: Pilk

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More rubbish, yadda yadda yadda

--P

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Pnuka

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Fleet Admiral Molle has a nice ring to it.

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It's Supreme General of the GBC and Grand Overlord SirMolle.

Please get his title right

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: TWD

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Yes Malachon Draco, its all a big conspiracy again out to get you. Remember the time you were convinced your TS was being invaded by us? >:(. You kept on posting about it, and never was open for other options until another group came forward with doing it. HahaHAHA.

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Another group admitted to it, but that in no way means you were not involved. The fact they posted in the TS chat denigrating comments about exactly my alt that was talking to you guys about the TS invasion still convinces me you were involved. But you're of the 'hear no evil, see no evil' type I think. Just like the convo spam in Alliance tournaments etc that just happen to people you are fighting completely by accident. Right.

Everybody knows how you achieve your victories bobbit, no need to keep up the charade.

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TWD, what happened to TAOSP btw

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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TWD, what happened to TAOSP btw

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TO: TWD
Subject: Why'd you leave TAOSP?

Hi,

Just curious as to the reason why you left TAOSP.

Regards,
Fry Fortune.

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stop nuking my sig Kruel :P
Nuffin but luv - Kreul

Originally by: Pnuka

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Fleet Admiral Molle has a nice ring

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Pnuka

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Fleet Admiral Tolon has a nice ring

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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TWD, what happened to TAOSP btw

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Originally by: Silvestri

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Man....do you guys (both sides) ever like step back and listen to yourselves??? It's a freaking game. Oh noes...I lost a pos....oh noes...they lost 2 dreads...oh noes....lag (which does suck and is gal backwards).

Not that anyone can think back when this war....1st kicked off. But I did say the turning point of the war would be in IAC space...Sir Molle is not the only strategic genious.

All these plans and what was it called...intelluctual strategy. Definition of Eve....log in...shoot something. Pray you don't lag. log off and bang the ole lady like a screen door in a hurricane....not that...well...I fly a hurricane but....please...both sides...enough with the bickering and who has bigger balls and cap fleets...isn't it getting old for anyone other then me?
That would be a good poll...

And if words on Eve-O forums "demoralize" you...then you really are a loser and need to look into the mirror and change your life. I just giggle how many people out here...I figured out the enemies plan....by saying this...he must somehow topsecretly mean this...yeah that's it...it's code....do me a favor....log in and shush your pie hole....

At least this is a good rant compared to the other 400 pages made up on this war....

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Pnuka

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Fleet Admiral Molle has a nice ring to it.

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It's Supreme General of the GBC and Grand Overlord SirMolle.

Please get his title right

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He also gets to wear a special hat.

--P

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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2. There is a difference in method. With MC/Fix its generally more direct 'why do you keep helping these muppets' comments. With BoB trying to divide the Coalition its a more indirect method (I could call it insidious), with denigrating comments about Goons capital participation, or IAC supposedly claiming victories achieved mostly or for a significant part by AAA.

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Originally by: Tumbles

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Pnuka

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Fleet Admiral Molle has a nice ring to it.

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It's Supreme General of the GBC and Grand Overlord SirMolle.

Please get his title right

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He also gets to wear a special hat.

--P

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lol too bad its a helmet Durrrrrrrr!!!!!

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Pilk

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IAC has now lost, quite legitimately (i.e., they lost it to a superior enemy, not to offlined POS's, 600-man rookie-ship lagbombs, or login traps) 25S-, and is about to lose FAT-6P. FAT-, especially, is a core system for them. At worst, the battle holds. In reality, I feel GBC is winning right now.

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Pretty hard to take the system when you failed to take POS down today that came out of reinforced

Maybe FAT will see a more eventful day tomorrow

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If you don't already see a FAT- sovereignty switch as a matter of time, you are deluding yourself. IAC leadership realizes it's a lost cause, and are trying to make us pay for it, same as I'd do in their place. But it's ours in effect, even if not in the upper-left corner of our screens. You killed two unsupported MC dreadnoughts that were in the wrong place, congratulations. Do you realize that our capital fleet in 49-U was over 80 ships?

At the risk of sounding like a Molle post, barring horrific ****-ups or huge game mechanic changes, you're dead. No better time than now to start getting used to it.

Don't believe me? Ask Tyrrax what station his X-type hardeners are in.

--P

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Originally by: Captian Internet

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Did some one say IBTL? because I think I just heard some one say IBTL

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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TWD, what happened to TAOSP btw

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I appreciate your interest Fry Fortune.

We rejoined the other BoB corps (Evol, did we actually ever leave? :p), as we were flying with the fleet anyway and it seemed pretty redundant. The purpose of inflicting damage to alliances as a small group of people was fulfilled in the first months and it was good, but later on lost interest in that.

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Originally by: Rochel Hakiri

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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TWD, what happened to TAOSP btw

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I appreciate your interest Fry Fortune.

We rejoined the other BoB corps (Evol, did we actually ever leave? :p), as we were flying with the fleet anyway and it seemed pretty redundant. The purpose of inflicting damage to alliances as a small group of people was fulfilled in the first months and it was good, but later on lost interest in that.

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okay okay,

but what happend to your unbeatable Tourny setup then, btw??

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Originally by: Fry Fortune

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Haha AXE, aren't you the guys who got robbed by a goon and lost your space to AAA after 5 months of fighting? and o yah D2 got rolled in a week or so.~

Remind us all why your relevant please.

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Originally by: Rochel Hakiri

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okay okay,

but what happend to your unbeatable Tourny setup then, btw??

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: TWD

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Yes Malachon Draco, its all a big conspiracy again out to get you. Remember the time you were convinced your TS was being invaded by us? >:(. You kept on posting about it, and never was open for other options until another group came forward with doing it. HahaHAHA.

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Another group admitted to it, but that in no way means you were not involved. The fact they posted in the TS chat denigrating comments about exactly my alt that was talking to you guys about the TS invasion still convinces me you were involved. But you're of the 'hear no evil, see no evil' type I think. Just like the convo spam in Alliance tournaments etc that just happen to people you are fighting completely by accident. Right.

Everybody knows how you achieve your victories bobbit, no need to keep up the charade.

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Exactly my point.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Quite amusing to see all the IAC pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters AAA to kill 2 mc dreads

I see that the 6 carriers and mom we downed is like a week old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya

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Originally by: Pilk

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If you don't already see a FAT- sovereignty switch as a matter of time, you are deluding yourself.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Quite amusing to see all the IAC pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters AAA to kill 2 mc dreads

I see that the 6 carriers and mom we downed is like a week old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Quite amusing to see all the BoB pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters MC to kill a few POS

I see that the 6 systems, a titan and moms we downed is like a month old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Quite amusing to see all the IAC pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters AAA to kill 2 mc dreads

I see that the 6 carriers and mom we downed is like a week old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya

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Originally by: Technix

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Quite amusing to see all the IAC pets crawl from under their rocks and start yaking their gobs just coz they joined their masters AAA to kill 2 mc dreads

I see that the 6 carriers and mom we downed is like a week old now ? But ofc you are so desperate for a circle jerk and also the fanboi brigade has to come around . Anywhoo well see how well thats gonna work for ya

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I laugh at the majority of COAD posts and sort out any intel or intresting topics.

Though I always get a special kick out of you; your either just super bitter or a great role player. Seeing your posts for awhile now I personaly think it's the first.Even th goons don't get so bent out of shape. keep it coming!

Good luck to both sides

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