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Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:12:00 - [271] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 10:53:50 Quote: UN observers are already there. And the EU already send them aid. You appear to have little or no knowledge about how thwe situasion is down there other than what presented to you by Fox News so lets not discuss it anymore. Observers? WTF good are they? Send your own countries troops into the region if you re so concerned about them! Yes, a DMZ between Isreal & Palestine. Keep the peace with the blood of your own countrymen if you are so concerned... Stop Israel from bulldozing homes with your troops, stop Palestinian suicide bombers with your troops. Quote: the US talk the talk about peace and freedom but doesnt walk the freedom walk. I think you need to take a good look at yourself. And your countries are even more useless! You do NOTHING but CRY! Get off your ass and do something then. If you don't like the way my country is handling things, challenge us, and send in your own troops and make things right. Until you do so, we will continue to ignore your countries' ranting... Uhm excuse me, my country is in uruzgan right now running rebuilding missions and spraying bullets into taliban members. The dutch dont have a big military so it isnt a very large force, but we are there nonetheless. So by your reasoning I can have a say right? do you think it was a very good idea to disband all iraqi security forces upon defeating what was left of the army? Let me give you the example of Singapore in WW2: when the japanese took it, they left british fire brigades and police forces intact to help keep the every day law. They knew they couldnt manage it without help. singapore was one city: which genius decided that eliminating all services and lawmen in a whole country would be the best way to go? That moronic decision in itself is the very reason for the epic fail that is the US occupation of Iraq, since any chance of 'freedom' and 'peace' was eliminated the day the US said: 'we are running things from now on', and didnt. (not enough troops, not enough logistix, no way in hell was anyone prepared for the urban combat, IEDS and snipers) I find the fact that you believe that the US, Aus and UK are the only countries that are using their military to be very disconcerting. As for the sad statement of; if you dont like us, challenge us and send your own troops? is that really your informed civilized opinion, that if you dont like us, declare war on us and do it better yourselves? what kind of statement is that? Utter BS if you ask me. taking into account the fact that iraq is an epic fail, the US isnt DOING anything but securing assets while turning the country into a total anarchy proto-state. So, yeah, we're fighting in afghanistan and trying to do something, you're just securing profit, and it stinks. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:13:00 - [272] Tony Blair was Bush's lapdog. We got rid of him, popular opinion turned against him and he resighned. Brown is much cooler towards Bush, only reason we are their now is to finish the ** Blair started, otherwise I'm fairly sure Brown would have told him to go through the UN, which would have been vetoed. We are not the American lapdogs, can't comment on Australia though. Originally by:** CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:39:00 - [273] Quote: Experts propose actions ALL the time via the UN, but the US KEEPS VETOING IT ALL RESULTING IN NOTHING CHANGING. AND SENDING SOLDIERS WITH BIG GUNS ISNT ALWAYS THE ANSWERS AS YOU HOPEFULLY WILL LEARN ONE DAY, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE LREANRED ALREADY WITH IRAQ BUT NO YOU DONT WANT TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO BE A FLIP-FLOPPPER LIKE THEM LIBERAL HIPPIES!!! Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. My Current Project
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:40:00 - [274] Australia's stance http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/cartoon_2290.html
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:43:00 - [275] Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 11:48:28 Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 11:45:57 Quote: They knew they couldnt manage it without help. singapore was one city: which genius decided that eliminating all services and lawmen in a whole country would be the best way to go? I'm sorry, but you know how many of them became insurgents??? You would have never got any services off the ground with simply a defrag, a low level format & re-install with a new OS was required in that case... Quote: As for the sad statement of; if you dont like us, challenge us and send your own troops? is that really your informed civilized opinion, that if you dont like us, declare war on us and do it better yourselves? what kind of statement is that? Utter BS if you ask me. No, challenge our stance, not challenge us militarily... If you don't think we are doing enough in Darfur, because there is nothing for us to gain, go send your own troops there. Quote: taking into account the fact that iraq is an epic fail, the US isnt DOING anything but securing assets while turning the country into a total anarchy proto-state Says who? You? I don't agree with you... I'm sorry, but opinions like that are just hatred, no fact, just BS... My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:43:00 - [276] Originally by: Locus Bey Australia's stance Oh how the mighty fall.... Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:46:00 - [277] Is this thread still going on?
Doctor Funcleroy	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:47:00 - [278] Originally by: Xen Gin Is this thread still going on? Apparently so. The USA dosen't know when it's beat it seems....
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:55:00 - [279] Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 11:59:23 Originally by: Doctor Funcleroy Originally by: Xen Gin Is this thread still going on? Apparently so. The USA dosen't know when it's beat it seems.... Nope, we don't give up like you guys... (Untill Hillary becomes president that is...) My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:08:00 - [280] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 11:59:23 Originally by: Doctor Funcleroy Originally by: Xen Gin Is this thread still going on? Apparently so. The USA dosen't know when it's beat it seems.... Nope, we don't give up like you guys... (Untill Hillary becomes president that is...) Sometimes it is better to cut with what you have and turn the other cheek. If we hadn't have learned to do that, consider the rebel colonies would have gotten their independance if at all wothin the last 100 years. Like said earlier - British troops were back in Washington in 1812 (yes I know they were Canadian but Canada didn't exist back then), and we let you run yourselves. War's go on for decades when countries don't know when they are beaten and continue in attririon warfare indefinatly. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:10:00 - [281] Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 12:13:47 Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 12:12:57 Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 11:59:23 Originally by: Doctor Funcleroy Originally by: Xen Gin Is this thread still going on? Apparently so. The USA dosen't know when it's beat it seems.... Nope, we don't give up like you guys... (Untill Hillary becomes president that is...) Sometimes it is better to cut with what you have and turn the other cheek. If we hadn't have learned to do that, consider the rebel colonies would have gotten their independance if at all wothin the last 100 years. Like said earlier - British troops were back in Washington in 1812 (yes I know they were Canadian but Canada didn't exist back then), and we let you run yourselves. War's go on for decades when countries don't know when they are beaten and continue in attririon warfare indefinatly. We'll leave when Iraq can kill the terrorists all by themselves... Then we'll move to the next country that harbor's extremists... We can't cut & run now... Terrorists are never going to give up, it's a war to the end, that will take decades, even a century or more... This will take decades, many precidencies, etc. It won't all happen at once. We'll have oscillating periods of war & sanctions, etc... My Current Project
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:15:00 - [282] It's a civil war and the Coaltion of those the FBI conned into it isn't doing anything to help. We are allready withdrawing, there is no use in throwing away troops for a lost cause. Besides - it's a Civil war, there are no terrorists per say just a gurrila campaighn. We cannot subjigate them nor can we help them. Game over, we killed enough we lost enough. Unless someone can come up with a new approach the way it's going at the moment has allready failed. Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:15:00 - [283] I've lived in both the us and england for significant amounts of time and I can say with some certainty that both of them are completely rubbish.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:18:00 - [284] Quote: it's a Civil war, there are no terrorists per say just a gurrila campaighn There are foreign fighters fanning the flames. We can't leave b4 the Iraqi military can take care of that problem... My Current Project
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:31:00 - [285] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: it's a Civil war, there are no terrorists per say just a gurrila campaighn There are foreign fighters fanning the flames. We can't leave b4 the Iraqi military can take care of that problem... Never going to happen. Its the middle east, trying to stop foreign fighters entering one of those countries is like conducting a war on... well terror, or even happiness, sadness, slight discomfort due to irritating co-workers.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:31:00 - [286] Originally by: DarkMatter Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. Sigh Sometimes you have to use force such as in Afghanistan. Norwegian fotrces have been there for several years already. you cant compare the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with Aghanistan. you seam to have little interesting in thinking abou what you actually say to lets just agree on disagreeing. Call to arms!!!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 12:57:00 - [287] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. Sigh Sometimes you have to use force such as in Afghanistan. Norwegian fotrces have been there for several years already. you cant compare the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with Aghanistan. you seam to have little interesting in thinking abou what you actually say to lets just agree on disagreeing. Dude, if there was anyplace in the world where a line in the sand needed to be policed by a third party for the benefit of the two nations, that border would be it... But because there is no oil for us there, I think the EU should go police it... My Current Project
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:03:00 - [288] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. Sigh Sometimes you have to use force such as in Afghanistan. Norwegian fotrces have been there for several years already. you cant compare the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with Aghanistan. you seam to have little interesting in thinking abou what you actually say to lets just agree on disagreeing. Dude, if there was anyplace in the world where a line in the sand needed to be policed by a third party for the benefit of the two nations, that border would be it... But because there is no oil for us there, I think the EU should go police it... I don't think anyone really wants to send their boys to an area that would be better off nuked flat and then start all over again. Borders with straight lines and 90degree right angles, its how we did it in the good ol' days.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:12:00 - [289] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. Sigh Sometimes you have to use force such as in Afghanistan. Norwegian fotrces have been there for several years already. you cant compare the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with Aghanistan. you seam to have little interesting in thinking abou what you actually say to lets just agree on disagreeing. Dude, if there was anyplace in the world where a line in the sand needed to be policed by a third party for the benefit of the two nations, that border would be it... But because there is no oil for us there, I think the EU should go police it... I don't think anyone really wants to send their boys to an area that would be better off nuked flat and then start all over again. Borders with straight lines and 90degree right angles, its how we did it in the good ol' days. So you give up before you try, that's typical... If the EU is so benevolent & just, they would see this area of the world desperately needs your guidance, why aren't you helping? We're the US, we're not helping because there is no oil there... What's your excuse? My Current Project
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:14:00 - [290] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Experts propose actions ALL the time via the UN, but the US KEEPS VETOING IT ALL RESULTING IN NOTHING CHANGING. AND SENDING SOLDIERS WITH BIG GUNS ISNT ALWAYS THE ANSWERS AS YOU HOPEFULLY WILL LEARN ONE DAY, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE LREANRED ALREADY WITH IRAQ BUT NO YOU DONT WANT TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO BE A FLIP-FLOPPPER LIKE THEM LIBERAL HIPPIES!!! Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. You sir are a tool! You don't seem to know crap at all do you? I think you need to travel around the world and see what's going on not sleeping with silly Ideas that you say! I mean Iraq is a Very good example why you guys are having a hard time with it. You rushed in With out UN! Didn't try to use the UN just ignored it. Sadly the US so arrogant and think troop and guns makes things better! Maybe in US but not everywhere else. Like the Guy sad if you stop veto everything we get somewhere! You pretty much play I am a big boy but have no clue on how to deal with things! Also making remarks like STOP CRYING AND DO SOMETHING! makes you like a tool and again you know nothing. I think you need to STFU and stop making a fool of your self there m8! I like US but alot of things you do is silly and wrong! Shot first ask later! Hell Russia got more sence that you guys ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:17:00 - [291] Quote: I mean Iraq is a Very good example why you guys are having a hard time with it. You rushed in With out UN! Didn't try to use the UN just ignored it. We "used" the useless UN all through the 90's... That was a failure as well... My Current Project
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:18:00 - [292] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. Sigh Sometimes you have to use force such as in Afghanistan. Norwegian fotrces have been there for several years already. you cant compare the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with Aghanistan. you seam to have little interesting in thinking abou what you actually say to lets just agree on disagreeing. Dude, if there was anyplace in the world where a line in the sand needed to be policed by a third party for the benefit of the two nations, that border would be it... But because there is no oil for us there, I think the EU should go police it... I don't think anyone really wants to send their boys to an area that would be better off nuked flat and then start all over again. Borders with straight lines and 90degree right angles, its how we did it in the good ol' days. So you give up before you try, that's typical... If the EU is so benevolent & just, they would see this area of the world desperately needs your guidance, why aren't you helping? We're the US, we're not helping because there is no oil there... What's your excuse? No we just play smart and at least have a plan if we do something! Does the US? yer but the wrong plan which makes it harder for them self! EU and Other country play alot more in the world than the US does! ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:20:00 - [293] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: I mean Iraq is a Very good example why you guys are having a hard time with it. You rushed in With out UN! Didn't try to use the UN just ignored it. We "used" the useless UN all through the 90's... That was a failure as well... like EVERYONE ELSE SAID! you say is a failure because when people try and do something what does the US do! VETO! Dude your ponit is worthless and you know crap! give up already! not going no where with this! FFS ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:25:00 - [294] Originally by: Tenerhaddi Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: I mean Iraq is a Very good example why you guys are having a hard time with it. You rushed in With out UN! Didn't try to use the UN just ignored it. We "used" the useless UN all through the 90's... That was a failure as well... like EVERYONE ELSE SAID! you say is a failure because when people try and do something what does the US do! VETO! Dude your ponit is worthless and you know crap! give up already! not going no where with this! FFS So we vetoed resolutions against Iraq in the 90's? huh? If we did, they were most likely resolutions with no teeth... How many useless resolutions does the UN pass??? I'm not privy to every resolution passed during the 90's agaist Iraq, and how many we vetoed, but I'm betting the ones we vetoed were useless... However, I will go read up on them... My Current Project
Abraham Azadian Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:27:00 - [295] Originally by: Tenerhaddi No we just play smart and at least have a plan if we do something! Does the US? yer but the wrong plan which makes it harder for them self! EU and Other country play alot more in the world than the US does! You're not fair, Bush had a perfect plan : "let's go there and be greeted as liberators". Those pesky irakies didn't do their part of the job. Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible **... me!
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:28:00 - [296] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: DarkMatter Voting doesn't accomplish ****... Don't wait for a vote, go out and make it happen. You don't have to wait for us to start, go save the world on your own... Start up your own coalition. I'm sorry, but the ppl causing all the trouble use guns. Talking & voting about terrorists doesn't accomplish crap, you need to talk their language, that language involves killing. Sigh Sometimes you have to use force such as in Afghanistan. Norwegian fotrces have been there for several years already. you cant compare the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with Aghanistan. you seam to have little interesting in thinking abou what you actually say to lets just agree on disagreeing. Dude, if there was anyplace in the world where a line in the sand needed to be policed by a third party for the benefit of the two nations, that border would be it... But because there is no oil for us there, I think the EU should go police it... I don't think anyone really wants to send their boys to an area that would be better off nuked flat and then start all over again. Borders with straight lines and 90degree right angles, its how we did it in the good ol' days. So you give up before you try, that's typical... If the EU is so benevolent & just, they would see this area of the world desperately needs your guidance, why aren't you helping? We're the US, we're not helping because there is no oil there... What's your excuse? Before you try? I think its apparently clear, nobody in that region listens or wants us to help in a way that stabilises the overall region.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.27 13:32:00 - [297] Quote: Before you try? I think its apparently clear, nobody in that region listens or wants us to help in a way that stabilises the overall region. So then what? My Current Project
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 14:07:00 - [298] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 12:13:47 Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 12:12:57 Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 27/09/2007 11:59:23 Originally by: Doctor Funcleroy Originally by: Xen Gin Is this thread still going on? Apparently so. The USA dosen't know when it's beat it seems.... Nope, we don't give up like you guys... (Untill Hillary becomes president that is...) Sometimes it is better to cut with what you have and turn the other cheek. If we hadn't have learned to do that, consider the rebel colonies would have gotten their independance if at all wothin the last 100 years. Like said earlier - British troops were back in Washington in 1812 (yes I know they were Canadian but Canada didn't exist back then), and we let you run yourselves. War's go on for decades when countries don't know when they are beaten and continue in attririon warfare indefinatly. We'll leave when Iraq can kill the terrorists all by themselves... Then we'll move to the next country that harbor's extremists... We can't cut & run now... Terrorists are never going to give up, it's a war to the end, that will take decades, even a century or more... This will take decades, many precidencies, etc. It won't all happen at once. We'll have oscillating periods of war & sanctions, etc... dude.... thats just pure delusional thinking. Every country with 'extremists' you 'pacify', you create entire new generations of terrorists to replace the ones you pop. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Drakolus Amarr NCL Research	Posted - 2007.09.27 14:50:00 - [299] Edited by: Drakolus on 27/09/2007 14:51:24 Just a few points/observations Show me a country that is NOT governed by self-interest...and yet you want to crucify the U.S. because we are doing what we believe is right for us. The belief that negotiations will fix everything...Ever tried to negotiate with a mugger...or a school yard bully? It doesn't work all that well. All of these governments are staffed by humans...humans in many cases who have gotten what they wanted all through life by the judicious application of power. The love of broadly declaring an entire culture/country/geographic area crap because of one or two minor things you do not like...In support of this. SCREW Sweden, Norway and Finland...it looks too much like a ***** (manpart) on the map. Now pardon me while I go back to enjoying the fruits of my labor. Going to have a burger, watch some violence on the news and think about the next gun I want to purchase while laughing at the "made in china" sticker on the bottom of my coffee cup. In summary...Get over it. Every Country has it's ups and downs. NCL Research - We don't research jack
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 16:55:00 - [300] Originally by: Drakolus Edited by: Drakolus on 27/09/2007 14:51:24 Just a few points/observations Show me a country that is NOT governed by self-interest...and yet you want to crucify the U.S. because we are doing what we believe is right for us. The belief that negotiations will fix everything...Ever tried to negotiate with a mugger...or a school yard bully? It doesn't work all that well. All of these governments are staffed by humans...humans in many cases who have gotten what they wanted all through life by the judicious application of power. The love of broadly declaring an entire culture/country/geographic area crap because of one or two minor things you do not like...In support of this. SCREW Sweden, Norway and Finland...it looks too much like a *** (manpart) on the map. Now pardon me while I go back to enjoying the fruits of my labor. Going to have a burger, watch some violence on the news and think about the next gun I want to purchase while laughing at the "made in china" sticker on the bottom of my coffee cup. In summary...Get over it. Every Country has it's ups and downs. yep. 100% correct. discussing it is fun though!!! so mucj fun!!! and realize, in between all the flames and raised voices we are exchanging thoughts and learning about eachother. TBH I find all the *ing to and fro absolutely fascinating. It also gives me more of an insight into the people here, where they are from and what makes them tick. saying get over it on a forum, is, well, useless: since forums, especially OOPE are meant for useless debating like this. we have oddles of fun. join in! ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!

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