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Rick Thwaites Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix I understand that we are remembering,but is there anyone actually seriously thinking about reviving The Big Blue? I've already mentioned I would be 100% down with that. NEWP (New NEMP)! --
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Khatred was the employer as I recall. khatred funded an earilier campaign in the tde4 area iirc. he dropped an egg and 4s and hirr blew it up.
Jacob Majestic GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.26 03:43:00 - [63] Originally by: SATAN We need the old corpse of Big Blue to come together and form up again. ___ Originally by: steamy thank you Hippoking for doing a Jacob on the goons
Shivalla Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.26 04:37:00 - [64] Fun times, I actually took my RL friends who were starting their EVE careers back then for a first trips to 0.0, and they had their experience of the life in BWF... LOOOCKDOOOWN!!! Back then it was hilarious, I was a noob with a BC, and basicly was just looking for a place to mine, and my friends aswell, and the evil Burn Eden was the bad guy, and James Pond ;D Oh dear... I dont miss the times, but it sure revives some old memories. http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Shivalla/random/sig.gif
Ikki Phoenix Gallente Karnage Club	Posted - 2007.09.26 06:19:00 - [65] I will eve mail you I am also interested in reviving The Big Blue Anyone else? Originally by: Rick Thwaites Originally by: Ikki Phoenix I understand that we are remembering,but is there anyone actually seriously thinking about reviving The Big Blue? I've already mentioned I would be 100% down with that. NEWP (New NEMP)! Karnage Club Recruitment Thread
Pallidum Treponema Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.26 06:22:00 - [66] Like many others, I took my first few PvP babysteps in BLUE (That, by the way, is the alliance ticker, not TBB). I came into BWF as a noob, barely able to fly a mining osprey. When I left, I was flying a merlin, but it was fitted with guns and missiles rather than mining lasers. My time in The Big Blue taught me how to PvP, and if it hadn't been for the excellent teachers and role models, I doubt I would've been even close to what I am today. I've come a long way since I was in BLUE, but the alliance still holds a big place in my heart. As for reuniting BLUE, please evemail me. I'd love to get a bunch of ex-BLUE members together for a gathering during Fanfest. Contact me and I'll work something out. - Palli PS: Jirad has unfortunately left the game. He's felt unsatisfied about the game for a longer period of time, even quit for some time and then came back before deciding to leave for good. I've been chatting with him every now and then and a few days ago, he passed the character over to me. He was my first FC, and is still one of the best FCs I've ever had. I miss the guy a lot. -- MC's Swedish squidshark
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.26 08:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Pallidum Treponema Like many others, I took my first few PvP babysteps in BLUE (That, by the way, is the alliance ticker, not TBB). I came into BWF as a noob, barely able to fly a mining osprey. When I left, I was flying a merlin, but it was fitted with guns and missiles rather than mining lasers. My time in The Big Blue taught me how to PvP, and if it hadn't been for the excellent teachers and role models, I doubt I would've been even close to what I am today. I've come a long way since I was in BLUE, but the alliance still holds a big place in my heart. As for reuniting BLUE, please evemail me. I'd love to get a bunch of ex-BLUE members together for a gathering during Fanfest. Contact me and I'll work something out. - Palli PS: Jirad has unfortunately left the game. He's felt unsatisfied about the game for a longer period of time, even quit for some time and then came back before deciding to leave for good. I've been chatting with him every now and then and a few days ago, he passed the character over to me. He was my first FC, and is still one of the best FCs I've ever had. I miss the guy a lot. I'm having trouble reconciling your post with your corp and alliance info.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente Karnage Club	Posted - 2007.09.26 14:12:00 - [68] I think the reviving idea is to restart the alliance.I may be wrong though Originally by: Pallidum Treponema Like many others, I took my first few PvP babysteps in BLUE (That, by the way, is the alliance ticker, not TBB). I came into BWF as a noob, barely able to fly a mining osprey. When I left, I was flying a merlin, but it was fitted with guns and missiles rather than mining lasers. My time in The Big Blue taught me how to PvP, and if it hadn't been for the excellent teachers and role models, I doubt I would've been even close to what I am today. I've come a long way since I was in BLUE, but the alliance still holds a big place in my heart. As for reuniting BLUE, please evemail me. I'd love to get a bunch of ex-BLUE members together for a gathering during Fanfest. Contact me and I'll work something out. - Palli PS: Jirad has unfortunately left the game. He's felt unsatisfied about the game for a longer period of time, even quit for some time and then came back before deciding to leave for good. I've been chatting with him every now and then and a few days ago, he passed the character over to me. He was my first FC, and is still one of the best FCs I've ever had. I miss the guy a lot. Karnage Club Recruitment Thread
Xeno Metamorph Gallente Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.26 15:04:00 - [69] Edited by: Xeno Metamorph on 26/09/2007 15:04:38 Some interesting stuff here. As a mere 1yr old char and a current resident of the ISP Const. Reading about its history sure is an eye opener, gd stuff. Just wish I was there 'back in the day' - when Eve was in its infancy.
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.26 15:42:00 - [70] Edited by: zykerx on 26/09/2007 15:45:36 Edited by: zykerx on 26/09/2007 15:44:38 Edited by: zykerx on 26/09/2007 15:42:17 rk diddnt rly want it as its soclose to empire and so many freaking moons but we diddnt want iss to have it either when we took it we thought about selling them or place some good trusted people in there but ended up with us keeping it, now with the jumpbridges its a nicesystem to have sov at and yeah i bought alot of stuff from naga aswel in da past must say rk would have rather had systems without outposts there :O . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Halafian Amarr Friendship Society	Posted - 2007.09.26 15:43:00 - [71] I had just started Eve and joined E-Uni when the MC war happened. It was all very baffling to me at the time. I was there at the gate in the first big battle when MC landed, a month or two into my Eve career. It was sort of exciting when a lot of reds starting appearing, and target names were called. I knew I was supposed to "tackle" people, and I could see targets getting called in chat (no TS then, at least not for me), so I rolled forward into the MC blob in my little Merlin, lagged out, and then was blown up. That part was fine, but afterward we just hid in POS's. There was a distinct lack of leadership. LIH was AWOL, and the NAGA folks nominally in charge of TBB just didn't seem up to it. Silentbrick of E-Uni lead a few ops, but other than him, there was a lot of lost opportunity for fighting back. I would gladly have sacrificed a few more frigates, but there just wasn't much action we could participate in. I never even knew until much later the real action was somewhere else, involving a shipyard. I could see why newbies in E-Uni wouldn't need to know that stuff, but regardless, communication wasn't great. I remember zandramus and super twinkey beheading the MC shark, which I thought was pretty awesome. I figured it was just another tool for fighting back. Officially that act had to be condemned, but I'm pretty sure a majority of grunt pilots thought it was great. MC's attitude at the time was "why the hate? we're just bringing the fun", which was kind of silly. Fun for them I suppose. It wasn't fun for TBB. TBB did some nice things and had a neat culture, but needed a sharper pvp focus, a more aggressive defense, and stronger central leadership. At least, from my perspective as a newbie grunt.
Moe Tard The Big Blue	Posted - 2007.09.26 16:53:00 - [72] Wow... that was unexpected. I was puzzled at first to see so much nostalgia and fond memories of BLUE expressed by people from corps/alliances who actively worked on undoing BLUE in first place, and even more to see former members/residents toying with the idea of a BLUE - Reloaded thingie... but then I realized memory tends to paint past things all rosy, and we all can fall for the well-known 'good ole times' syndrome, once in a while. So I'm gonna do a favor to the optimists out there and save them a lot of trouble, headaches and sleepless nights. BLUE Reloaded: you don't want to do it, you just don't fully realize it yet. My guess is the people who fantasize about reliving BLUE were either not in positions to fully feel the load of running a 23/7 event for 9 months (without GM tools), or people who feel BLUE could have worked if it was done largely differently. The first group is in for a rude awakening, and the second group simply should call themselves CLS II or something, as what they want to do is not reliving BLUE but doing a different thing entirely (which is cool, too). I'll spare you the wall of text about what made BLUE different in nature from prior 'friendly 0.0' projects, and why nerfing defining elements of its design would be akin to clipping the wings off a plane to ease turning around corners in street traffic. Instead I'll just state for the record: current game mechanics and player demographics make BLUE Reloaded a non starter. If you are interested in more details I'll be happy to answer those I can, but I won't go pursue the "plane at street corner" line of discussion. ---- Crazy janitor mumbling to himself in an empty building.
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.09.27 01:17:00 - [73] Originally by: acompton Originally by: Devilish Ledoux I haven't seen Fatalix in a while, but I'm sure they're still around. I think Jin Steele Joined IRON and then went on to something else. Im here, FXI is still here too. RNFLM disbanded and joined xelas i think. NEMP went everywhere. LIH disbanded and their pilots are everywhere. E-uni is e-uni. new TBB=bad, unless it has the funding and willingness of NAGA to back up the pvpers this time, because it was damn near impossible to make isk.
dookagalla Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.27 02:05:00 - [74] My first days of eve i joined the uni and i realized soon after that we had 0.0 it gave me my first pvp experiance. in a small frig (merlin if i remember correctly) and look where i am 1.5 yr later about to jump into my first cap ship :) MC war was fun ... kinda lag sucked tough :) SAS .. not cool you guys turned. but meh was long time ago LIH ... miss you guys Naga .. make me some cheap t2 and next time tell the FC that you have a cap ship yard in 8mg! :) seekrieg you suck for stealing ! those POSses wherent bugged you just didnt fuel em!
Pathe The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.27 08:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Pathe on 27/09/2007 08:35:59 Edited by: Pathe on 27/09/2007 08:30:05 I recall hearing a rumour back in my ASCN days as to why TBB were attacked, just after CYVOK rolled out the first player built Mushroom in AZN. The rumour was that the ASCN's directorship had a few 'bogus' Corps and Alliances who were allegedly building that 1st Titan for ASCN, one of those names obviously being TBB which is why MC were contracted by BOB in order to bring down the Capital Shipyards. But you know what they say about rumours...what say you Seleene, are you in a position to give up the real truth behind these past events or as Nez says, are the politics still in play? ------------------------------------------ 'Not everyone gets to be an Astronault' - evetv Originally by: Mud Pandemonium Every single patch the glue sniffers seem to come out of the woodwork.
Morning Maniac Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.27 10:41:00 - [76] Originally by: Halafian I never even knew until much later the real action was somewhere else, involving a shipyard. I could see why newbies in E-Uni wouldn't need to know that stuff, but regardless, communication wasn't great. [/quote Hi Halafian! This part is also spot on. I never knew about the cap shipyard either until MC were in the process of blowing it up and by that time it was too late to do anything about it. If we would have known about it we could have tried a different defence strategy. Not sure it would have worked though. Anyway, water under the bridge. Doing TBB again in the same manner will end in the same result. Perhaps having some open space for all can work but you will have to have a completely different approach. A strong pro active pvp force with not too many rules to tie them down for one. MM http://eve-ivy.com EVE University commercial
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:04:00 - [77] Fun fact: LIH played a huge role in Goonfleet making it's start in Syndicate.
Tangerine Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.27 11:17:00 - [78] Quote: Fun fact: LIH played a huge role in Goonfleet making it's start in Syndicate. O them were the days camping 6-C and popping wave after wave of t1 frigates when goons 1st came on the scene. 1 of my funniest memories of when goons came to syndicate when LIH lived their was Jirad Tisilver engaging about 40 goon frigs laughing on TS about how many their were popping a couple then jumping back thru the gate in his pimped out raven. Shortly after we were blue to them. Now look where i am, how things have changed.
Neslo Gallente DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:43:00 - [79] Originally by: Vile rat Fun fact: LIH played a huge role in Goonfleet making it's start in Syndicate. smiles I enjoy fun facts that LIH is responsible for! From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
Sarah Benthwell Dolaris Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:46:00 - [80] Heh, Jirad, what a man. WE NEED POINTS GUYS POINTS Lol, I lived in tbb for ages, then when mc finally invaded, i joined LIH. Although it was a bit of a slaughter it was good fun. I was a bit sad when we moved back to syndicate but oh well. From there on the corp kind of fizzled out and died, but a few of us still keep in contact o/ TBB were some of my best times in eve and i saw my first capital ship there Damn that was awesome. I also mined a whole raven out of an osprey. Took me a month or so but i did it. Then I lost it and my +3 implants one day. I went total emo that day. It'd be pretty cool if TBB started up again, i'd say they'd have alot of friends to help them out, was possibly the most loved alliance. Shigsy _______ Shigsy
CraicWhore	Posted - 2007.09.27 21:30:00 - [81] Edited by: Craic**** on 27/09/2007 21:30:33* *bleh
RedWyvern Gallente FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 21:31:00 - [82] Edited by: RedWyvern on 27/09/2007 21:33:18 Edited by: RedWyvern on 27/09/2007 21:32:26 Edited by: RedWyvern on 27/09/2007 21:31:18 Originally by: Tangerine Quote: Fun fact: LIH played a huge role in Goonfleet making it's start in Syndicate. O them were the days camping 6-C and popping wave after wave of t1 frigates when goons 1st came on the scene. 1 of my funniest memories of when goons came to syndicate when LIH lived their was Jirad Tisilver engaging about 40 goon frigs laughing on TS about how many their were popping a couple then jumping back thru the gate in his pimped out raven. Shortly after we were blue to them. Now look where i am, how things have changed. Actually, I can remember an even earlier incident where Jirad's scout chanced across a 3FA versus goon confrontation. We sat next door, wary of going in while Jirad relayed the play-by-play of two dozen frigates nipping a Megathron (cheering for 3FA all the way...) Judging by that wall of text, looks like you wanted to get this off your chest for some time Nes! My own perspective: for various reasons TBB was a top-heavy corp, with and was later hamstrung by its relatively small leadership overseeing the crowd in its entirety. Once burnout hit, that was it. Too few of us - doubly so for many Eve-U pilots were incapable of working solo, or in self-run groups. We neededour FC's, but by the MC war, 3 LIH directors had left, and Jirad was absent. Morale never really recovered. If you're gonna do this again, share the load, eh? Hectic's 12 hour 'workday' for looking after the towers was a bit silly (but then, he's a *** for hyperbole, isn't he?) I miss TBB, because there are so very few 'Lawful Good' organisations, as Nes puts it, in EVE. Really. Insofar as corporate politics go, the majority of you are a crowd of hateful, selfish *s who Machiavelli would spooge frantically in his grave over. TBB didn't really work because there were simply too many unwilling to let an entity that wished to provide* 0.0 for all to exist. Having said that, Burn Eden actually came to our aid during the death throes of the alliance against some of the vultures that'd moved in, and a few of you may be surprised to know that after MC's surgical removal of our cap yards, they hung around to help defend for a few days. Takes all sorts, eh? -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente Karnage Club	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Moe Tard Wow... that was unexpected. I was puzzled at first to see so much nostalgia and fond memories of BLUE expressed by people from corps/alliances who actively worked on undoing BLUE in first place, and even more to see former members/residents toying with the idea of a BLUE - Reloaded thingie... but then I realized memory tends to paint past things all rosy, and we all can fall for the well-known 'good ole times' syndrome, once in a while. So I'm gonna do a favor to the optimists out there and save them a lot of trouble, headaches and sleepless nights. BLUE Reloaded: you don't want to do it, you just don't fully realize it yet. My guess is the people who fantasize about reliving BLUE were either not in positions to fully feel the load of running a 23/7 event for 9 months (without GM tools), or people who feel BLUE could have worked if it was done largely differently. The first group is in for a rude awakening, and the second group simply should call themselves CLS II or something, as what they want to do is not reliving BLUE but doing a different thing entirely (which is cool, too). I'll spare you the wall of text about what made BLUE different in nature from prior 'friendly 0.0' projects, and why nerfing defining elements of its design would be akin to clipping the wings off a plane to ease turning around corners in street traffic. Instead I'll just state for the record: current game mechanics and player demographics make BLUE Reloaded a non starter. If you are interested in more details I'll be happy to answer those I can, but I won't go pursue the "plane at street corner" line of discussion. It is good to see a TBB post. Although I was a brand new player back then and I am still learning everyday about Eve, I think TBB could work again. The main thing needed(besides the other departments) is a strong and committed PVP force that is not tied to any regulations. Basically that PVP force would need to have the following duties: -Protect the TBB HQ and offices at all costs -Shoot anyone that comes within 1000 meters of TBB HQ -Shoot anyone flashing red or otherwise not friendly(not in good standings with TBB) -prepare fleet operations for the sure to come wars(tactics and plans specifics to each corp/alliance) I am not sure if the above makes sense,but my main point as response to you is that if the PVP force is committed and trustworthy,a TBB will work Karnage Club Recruitment Thread
Ikki Phoenix Gallente Karnage Club	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Morning Maniac Originally by: Halafian I never even knew until much later the real action was somewhere else, involving a shipyard. I could see why newbies in E-Uni wouldn't need to know that stuff, but regardless, communication wasn't great. [/quote Hi Halafian! This part is also spot on. I never knew about the cap shipyard either until MC were in the process of blowing it up and by that time it was too late to do anything about it. If we would have known about it we could have tried a different defence strategy. Not sure it would have worked though. Anyway, water under the bridge. Doing TBB again in the same manner will end in the same result. Perhaps having some open space for all can work but you will have to have a completely different approach. A strong pro active pvp force with not too many rules to tie them down for one. MM I just saw your post.Please read my reply to TBB Karnage Club Recruitment Thread
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.09.28 05:26:00 - [85] Ye gods, so many old alliance mates scattered throughout the cosmos. If only I was better at inspiring personal loyalty. I could have been the greatest spymaster in Eve. _
Moe Tard The Big Blue	Posted - 2007.09.28 11:42:00 - [86] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix It is good to see a TBB post. Although I was a brand new player back then and I am still learning everyday about Eve, I think TBB could work again. The main thing needed(besides the other departments) is a strong and committed PVP force that is not tied to any regulations. Basically that PVP force would need to have the following duties: -Protect the TBB HQ and offices at all costs -Shoot anyone that comes within 1000 meters of TBB HQ -Shoot anyone flashing red or otherwise not friendly(not in good standings with TBB) -prepare fleet operations for the sure to come wars(tactics and plans specifics to each corp/alliance) I am not sure if the above makes sense,but my main point as response to you is that if the PVP force is committed and trustworthy,a TBB will work No, it doesn't, at least not as far a reliving BLUE is concerned, which is exactly why I explained earlier it's not something you should even try. "Shoot anyone flashing red or otherwise not friendly(not in good standings with TBB)" is a sound policy, and is what 0.0 alliances usually live by, but not BLUE. As Neslo puts it, we were the lawful good guys of EVE, and the rule in BLUE was to ask questions first and only shoot if there was no way around it. This is a kind of heat your average 'dedicated PvP force' (bunch of campers) is not prepared to survive. It takes a rare kind of player to do this job, which comes as close as it gets to that of a street cop and a social worker tasked with the pacification of a cesspit full of teenage sociopaths high on PCP. To my amazement, we had that kind of people in BLUE, willing to take crap and keep their head cool, use brains and discernment, work around language barriers and the utter rudeness of most of the players, and with the fortitude to come back for more the next day, with a smile on their face. Unfortunately, we weren't prepared enough (for many reasons, the project was kind of rushed to release), and we lacked some critical tools to ease coordination (some due to limitations in game mechanics, some due to our lack of readiness). If you think BLUE would have worked if operated NBSI, well... I can't do better than point at the elephant sized plane with clipped wings crashed in the roundabout. ---- Crazy janitor mumbling to himself in an empty building.
Manas The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.09.28 13:19:00 - [87] Main problems with BLUE were: - Lack of a generous reimbursement program for PvPers - BLUE was too pure on the NRDS stance wrt to strangers. Having a NBSI policy at home (but with easy to get Blue standings) and a NRDS policy outside home would have been workable. - Alliance leadership (NAGA) heavily Empire based and too removed from rank-and-file (sorry Moe). TGRAD info
Ikki Phoenix Gallente Karnage Club	Posted - 2007.09.29 00:08:00 - [88] I understand both your posts,but I still think such a revival would work especially under the "shoot anyone not in TBB standings".Add to that a specific defensive setup and you have something workable Of course leadership is also needed. A bit of topic. if I understand correctly what TBB was about it seems Retribution(http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=603345) and Giant Space Amoeba(based on their alliance profile) are mostly doing what TBB was doing.Correct? Karnage Club Recruitment Thread
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2007.09.30 02:40:00 - [89] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 30/09/2007 02:43:55 Years ago while crossing a solar system to re-enter empire, MindReaper and I had noticed that we were greatly outnumbered. We bunkered in a spot between the gates to weigh our options. In BWF local, Jirad spoke up to assure us no harm and then welcomed us to the opening day of the Blue Pill. The Big Blue à opening day à the lockdowns à the last shots fired in the last Big Blue War à I was there. My days in the Big Blue were priceless.
Darth Kidd Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.30 02:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 25/09/2007 15:30:11 Ps: Devilish, the corp you're thinking of was the corp lead by Seekrieg (Royal Navy Fleet Logistics And Mining (EDIT: Looked up the name...what a very odd name for a corp now that I finally think about it O_o7..Oh well)). wassup cadela fria...I sure do remember you...lol seekrieg in 'RONA' corp. ('frege' alliance)...sadly I haven't seen em' around, haven't had a chance to pop em', sure would be fun

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