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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:06:00 -
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title says it all. i figure right now that is my long/mid-range goal. i'm still fairly young eve-wise and figure assfrigs and hacs are a fair goal to set for myself. is it feasible to skip over BS's, just continue doing missions / ratting / noobpvp in an ever pimping-out battlecruiser while i get support skills and other necessary skills up for assfrigs (and eventually hacs)? i figure why should i work to get my heavy guns and other BS stuff rolling if i don't plan to fly the real big stuff.
thanks for helping eliminate noobishness and ignorance.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:14:00 -
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bout 12m i think it was, but you should be able to handle one about the 10m mark if your spec'ed in them from birth so to speak.
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Mudkest
MetaForge
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:36:00 -
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ehrm, 35M at least? dunno, at 34M now and still dont have hac skill ;o
not sure on amount of SP, but before you get into a hac you'll want at least lvl4 in various support skills.
so awu4, electronics/engineergin5, cap skills at least 4, weapon support skills4.
I would say, train for your t2 small weapon skills and electronics/engineering at 5, then get into an assault frigate. From there train the support skills to 4/5(cap, tank, navigation and weapon support) then move on to hac. no idear how many SP that are, but should give you an idear on what to aim for. If you're going for amar ones I suppose you'll have to decide if you want to fly the missile ones or the laser ones. Could easely train for both, but cross-training missiles and turrets means it'll take a bit longer to get those support skills up.
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.02 16:48:00 -
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i would prefer to do the pure turret based assault ships but the bass turd devs put all the med slots on the missile ones  . the zealot is doable in terms of medium slots, but the retribution is ridiculous with only 1 flipping slot. so i'd be best serve to at least have decent missile skills but i guess i'll cross that bridge when i get there.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.10.02 17:24:00 -
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Most T2 setups are not viable unless you have the supports at least lvl5. Double goes for the Zealot/Sacri.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.02 18:32:00 -
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I have 22 mil and I can't fly any HAC yet.
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Major Stallion
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.02 18:41:00 -
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11 mil...and as for your Q, its possible to bypass BS training. If i had to do it all over again, d probably not have trained for a BS until i had 15mil SP....just because i hate the huge ships.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.02 22:00:00 -
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first chr i had was about 12m sp and i was all over the place with that chr so the long road to the laser road began.
2nd time around 7m sp and i was specced to hell and back for amarr only.
made 7b isk in 3 weeks in the drone regions using only a sacrilege.
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.03 00:15:00 -
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awesome, good to know. i'm topping off relevant learning skills gonna gun for that sweet t2 action. thanks for the info all.
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Richard Masterson
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.03 06:05:00 -
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44 mil. I waited until the prices came down and T2 producers no longer had me by the balls. There is plenty of other stuff to train to be good at.
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.03 06:25:00 -
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yeah i'm flying a harbinger at the moment and having fun with it. it's gonna be hard going from 7 turrets to 4 :(, hardly makes sense.
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.03 07:37:00 -
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Somewhere around 50M iirc
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Speak Silence
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Posted - 2007.10.03 09:45:00 -
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About 7-8 mil. Now at 10 mil i can fully t2 fit my deimos. I might not be the b est hacd pilot out there (skill point wise) but my baby gets the job done.
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prathe
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.10.03 10:26:00 -
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i created a new hac pilot in june from scratch skilling it now but she's built to be a monster
i did learning skills for the first month and a bit now it's gunnery's which will be done in december . but my skill tree is longer than most because it's going to be 5'd out if i settled for basic's it would be a considerably shorter time but im patient 
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Osric Wuscfrea
Gallente
Icarus' Wings
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2007.10.03 12:47:00 -
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Will be able to fly one in about a week. 18 million SP, will be my FIRST T2 ship, but Command ship is 4 weeks away. HAC is just a bonus on the way there...
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Viscount Hood
UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.03 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
ehrm, 35M at least? dunno, at 34M now and still dont have hac skill ;o.
same here
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Dr Caymus
Gallente
Applied Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.03 14:42:00 -
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Um, I can't fly one, but I was at around 78 million SP when I sold my first HAC...
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.03 20:26:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Dr Caymus
Um, I can't fly one, but I was at around 78 million SP when I sold my first HAC...
lol *you* don't count 
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Ciphero
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.03 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ciphero on 03/10/2007 23:14:15
SP Total means rather little - Dr. Caymus has >90m SP but sure as hell should not be getting in a HAC, as he says.
You should have Tech 2 weapons and tanking kit for the HAC and the two cap skills at at least level 4.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 04:34:00 -
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It depends, i hated BS from the start and i wanted a command ship.
It took me roughly a year to reach command ships, once at CS all you
need is the HAC book.
Anyhow like i said i lack the BS skills but i can fly both caldariand
Gallente "CS.HAC.Recon". The only ship i would consider myself kinda
lacking in, would be the caldari recon's but for the rest of em
i kick a$$.
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Rainhailer
Gallente
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.04 05:12:00 -
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I first got in one at 17-18 mil.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.04 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
It depends, i hated BS from the start and i wanted a command ship.
It took me roughly a year to reach command ships, once at CS all you
need is the HAC book.
Anyhow like i said i lack the BS skills but i can fly both caldariand
Gallente "CS.HAC.Recon". The only ship i would consider myself kinda
lacking in, would be the caldari recon's but for the rest of em
i kick a$$.
A whole year? dang thats harsh...
I was in a abso at 13m sp... that was about 10msp ago. still in one..
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.04 06:10:00 -
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well then you were a newb in a Absolution then, sorry to say.
When i consider myself ship ready "trained to fly and equip" i make
sure to have the ship skill to 4 and all relative equipment "T2".
Don't tell me you had all that at 13mil SP cause if you did i would
of loved to kill you. 
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Brutus Proqqus
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Posted - 2007.10.04 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Brutus Proqqus on 04/10/2007 06:37:10
i cant fly it yet but when i finish controlled bursts 5 ill train amarr Cruiser 5. After i trained the skill ill hit 11 mil SP.
I cant play with bs's because they're just to fat for my liking. Also i "accidently" trained medium pulse laser spec 5 so im pretty much obligated to go command ship/hac :P
I waited with training for cruiser 5 and all the other spaceship command skills until i could fit everything with tech 2. So i wouldnt find myself flying a ship with tech 1 stuff and totally suck ass in it :P
oh btw about the retribution post. Youll only be using it in small fast moving gangs and with the 4 turret slots and enuf lows for some multiple heatsink action it can actually deliver some nice dps. But ye for soloing its a no go :P
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.04 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
well then you were a newb in a Absolution then, sorry to say.
When i consider myself ship ready "trained to fly and equip" i make
sure to have the ship skill to 4 and all relative equipment "T2".
Don't tell me you had all that at 13mil SP cause if you did i would
of loved to kill you.
Actually not really, this chr was made just so it can fly an abso. I seen chrs of less sp in the same kind of ship taking short cuts. after all been playing since july 2004, i think i know how to spec a chr for one type of ship only.
ship was fully t2 fitted.
only fault of the chr at that time was all gunnery related skills were at lvl 4. now they are at lvl 5. that includes HPII and HB II weapons.
I did not deviate from my chrs chosen path, A specced chr can afford to be less sp if he or she is aiming for one ship.
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Havok Pierce
Gallente
Black Lance
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.04 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Havok Pierce on 04/10/2007 13:29:31
25m SP and I haven't been able to afford one (or otherwise convince myself to spend the isk) yet. :(
I do fly force recons and command ships though :D
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Caldorous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.04 14:09:00 -
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25-30 mils, i cant remember... 
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Koryvarn
Amarr
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.10.04 16:21:00 -
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9.8 million for my sacri, but right now it's just a pleasure boat until I train HAMS up. (I have the other missile skills).
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Michael Anthony
Caldari
Empire of Athena
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:27:00 -
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I dont believe total skill points make much difference... what matters are the support skills.. I was soloing lvl 3s with my eagle because i had the necessary support skills... I am currently in a nighthawk, and that is the greatest ship i have ever flown. I am actually able to solo lvl 4 missions in that sucker, though i do always decline angel extravaganza and when worlds collide. I also have trouble with Guristas Extravaganza, though i am able to complete it every time. Just takes 5-6 hours and lots of warp outs.. Anyway, Im getting a little off topic, but i wish i had never trained Battleships ... it seems a waste of skill points to me... i cant stand those things...
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.04 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Chaplain Veritas on 04/10/2007 23:06:27
well i've got my learning skills at a decent spot so i'm working on getting my support skills up. already have t2 armor reps, t2 dmg control, t2 AB's (MWD is plain silly in my cap sucking beast, though i run 'em sometimes depending on the application) just 1 lvl of hull upgrades away from my t2 resist equipment, then working on t2 pulse lasers.
THEN, i hear some people prefer to run a pimped out Harbinger then a Zealot (i can see why, 7 turrets on a harbinger vs 4 on a zealot... PRICE... c'mon!)...  . the Sacrilage (aside from being ugly as sin) is gonna require a big training sink to get my missiles up to an adequate level :(. BAH!
so right now i'm just gonna keep upping my skills to make the most of my Binger, and then get rocket skills up in prep for a vengance (can i assume in doing so i'll start getting myself ready for the bigger Khanid boats?). in what applications does the vengance shine? are they fair in gang PvP?
ps: sorry for rambling, sorry for my post crossing over from skills to ship/mod content.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.04 23:21:00 -
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11 mill for my first zealot... my zealot also took a bit of training before I felt confident taking it into lowsec. trained for nearly t2 EVERYTHING i had fitted before I felt confident in it.
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Durethia
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 02:23:00 -
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I had around 10 million when I got my first HAC
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
Originally by: hellsknights
well then you were a newb in a Absolution then, sorry to say.
When i consider myself ship ready "trained to fly and equip" i make
sure to have the ship skill to 4 and all relative equipment "T2".
Don't tell me you had all that at 13mil SP cause if you did i would
of loved to kill you.
Actually not really, this chr was made just so it can fly an abso. I seen chrs of less sp in the same kind of ship taking short cuts. after all been playing since july 2004, i think i know how to spec a chr for one type of ship only.
ship was fully t2 fitted.
only fault of the chr at that time was all gunnery related skills were at lvl 4. now they are at lvl 5. that includes HPII and HB II weapons.
I did not deviate from my chrs chosen path, A specced chr can afford to be less sp if he or she is aiming for one ship.
Ill take your word for it but i still find it hard to believe.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Minmatar
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.05 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 05/10/2007 13:54:23
18-19mish area
Was a Vaga, and it died to a Ragnarok, so therefore I must now train for a titan.
Edit: That ragnarok died actually, now that I think of it...
*trains for a blob of caps instead*
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Duhban
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Posted - 2007.10.05 19:33:00 -
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~8 million sp though frankly i only ran missions with it (but i did level 4s easily)
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Tale Tanxury
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Posted - 2007.10.05 22:09:00 -
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A little playing with EveMon: a brand-new Amarr character, fresh out of the tube with roughly 800K skill points, can train to Sacrilege in 129 days and a 3.562m SP. Adding in learning skills to IV results in a 91-day training time and a 3.949m SP total.
As for the OP's question, personally I got into a Cerberus at around 16m SP. I have only one char, and my training history has been, shall we say, eclectic to this point.
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.06 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Chaplain Veritas on 06/10/2007 00:19:56
Originally by: Tale Tanxury
A little playing with EveMon: a brand-new Amarr character, fresh out of the tube with roughly 800K skill points, can train to Sacrilege in 129 days and a 3.562m SP. Adding in learning skills to IV results in a 91-day training time and a 3.949m SP total.
As for the OP's question, personally I got into a Cerberus at around 16m SP. I have only one char, and my training history has been, shall we say, eclectic to this point.
interesting, yeah that would have craptastic support skills but yeah you could fly around in space in one at least at that much SP hehe.
anyway......
according to evemon i'll have 6.5mill when i get heavy assault ships I along with:
small eng turret V
small pulse spec V
med eng turret V
energy sys op V
hull upgrades V
weapon upgrade V
electronics V
engineering V
mech V
drone V
spaceship comm V
assault ship IV
long range target IV
controlled burst IV
sig analysis IV
targeting IV
energy management IV
scout drone IV
battlecruise IV
med pulse spec I
what else will i need to roll with? seems like 6.5mill is a bit short from the sounds of things, what else would i need to fill out that ship?
EDIT: IIIIIIIIIIIII KNOW WHAT I DID WRONG LOL. forgot the required Amarr Cruiser V i'll need for the boat. that bumps my grand total of about 7.6 million SP. THAT makes a lil more sense. Also bumps my training time to 130 days for the whole enchilada.... 
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Kreila
Minmatar
The Shambling Horde
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Posted - 2007.10.06 01:04:00 -
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10-15mil on each of my toons
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Tappits
Caldari
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:59:00 -
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i had 14mill sp when i first jumped in to my first HAC and it went pop very quick.
dont bother till you can fully T2 fit it min
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Roc Wieler
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.15 12:43:00 -
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12,467,529 SP and able to masterfully fly a Vagabond and also a Rapier. I knew what I wanted to do from the start. That helps. Had researched the forums for about a month before I actually signed up to EVE.
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Merchant Marines
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.16 05:42:00 -
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Around 38 mil. It was not priority for me, as I usually fly battleships or AF's. With tech 2 battleships on the horizon it was at last high enough priority to train for one.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:36:00 -
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shrug im at 19m and i cant fly one yet.
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:42:00 -
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I had about 28mil I think when i first bought my cerb. Can ift it nicely with T2 stuff and what not, but aint that confident in it:P
Nighthawk ftw
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sapage1
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.16 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chaplain Veritas
title says it all. i figure right now that is my long/mid-range goal. i'm still fairly young eve-wise and figure assfrigs and hacs are a fair goal to set for myself. is it feasible to skip over BS's, just continue doing missions / ratting / noobpvp in an ever pimping-out battlecruiser while i get support skills and other necessary skills up for assfrigs (and eventually hacs)? i figure why should i work to get my heavy guns and other BS stuff rolling if i don't plan to fly the real big stuff.
thanks for helping eliminate noobishness and ignorance.
I would say if you just put SP towards hac then 12+ mill sp would be fine as you really need some support skills to fly one effectivily. You don't need lvl5 everything lvl4 is fine to start but you will notice the difference with lvl5.
I would say get hac lvl4 also before flying them as you will miss out on a bit with lvl2 or 3.
I personally had 40mill sp on one char before I was in my first hac but that char was pretty specialized into other areas. My pvp char was in a hac with 30+ sp but he is a pretty old char and I used to fly BS so I had all my support skills.
For missions I would stick with a BC over a hac they tank better and do better damage for the most part.
BS are fun I have to admit flying a tempest with all gunnery lvl5 large proj5 and BS is nice as there is not much in game that can do as much damage :)
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:17:00 -
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I was at about 11.5m when I stepped into an Ishtar - however, much of the previous training for t2 equipment was complete due to my quest to get a t2-fit cruiser or BC. The only thing I was lacking was t2 heavy drones, but I decided to get the Ishtar first since I would be away from Eve for a while soon after - fly it a bit before I leave, and let heavies finish while I was out. I could get and fit a Deimos, but I have other things to buy at the moment >.>
As anyone ingame can tell you, I love my Ishtar :)
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.17 00:36:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
I was at about 11.5m when I stepped into an Ishtar - however, much of the previous training for t2 equipment was complete due to my quest to get a t2-fit cruiser or BC. The only thing I was lacking was t2 heavy drones, but I decided to get the Ishtar first since I would be away from Eve for a while soon after - fly it a bit before I leave, and let heavies finish while I was out. I could get and fit a Deimos, but I have other things to buy at the moment >.>
As anyone ingame can tell you, I love my Ishtar :)
i'd kill to be working towards hopping in an ishtar instead of a gimpy amarr HAC. lord i hate the amarr HACs. ffs why am i even wasting my time???? oh yeah, in hopes they aren't so gimpy by the time i can get in one.
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sapage1
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.17 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Roc Wieler
12,467,529 SP and able to masterfully fly a Vagabond and also a Rapier. I knew what I wanted to do from the start. That helps. Had researched the forums for about a month before I actually signed up to EVE.
At 12mill SP you are still pretty light on for a hac to be honest. You might be able to fly it well but you will be missing certain key skills to really take advantage of the ship as a whole.
Gunnery need about 5mill+ here support + tech2
Cap + engineering few mill in here cap helps as do shields :)
tech2 light drone you will notice how good they are.
Nav this is a very important one and you should really put some time into it :)
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:23:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Chaplain Veritas
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
I was at about 11.5m when I stepped into an Ishtar - however, much of the previous training for t2 equipment was complete due to my quest to get a t2-fit cruiser or BC. The only thing I was lacking was t2 heavy drones, but I decided to get the Ishtar first since I would be away from Eve for a while soon after - fly it a bit before I leave, and let heavies finish while I was out. I could get and fit a Deimos, but I have other things to buy at the moment >.>
As anyone ingame can tell you, I love my Ishtar :)
i'd kill to be working towards hopping in an ishtar instead of a gimpy amarr HAC. lord i hate the amarr HACs. ffs why am i even wasting my time???? oh yeah, in hopes they aren't so gimpy by the time i can get in one.
Zealot and Sac are great.
NanoSac is badass solo boat.
Zealot with beams is amazing in gangs.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.10.18 12:30:00 -
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Hmmm - I'm at 8.45M atm and still not close to flying a HAC.
According to my calculations, I'll need about 800K more SP in gunnery, about 300K-400K SP more in navigation, might as well throw some 500K in drones (I have next to no SP in drones) and 200K in electronics (still need signature analysis V, always skipped that one) until I feel my support skills would enable me to fly a HAC to a reasonable level of efficency.
After that, throw on the required Cruiser V and HACs to IV (which is, roughly a mil SP), and it appears I'll be able to fly a HAC at some 11.4M SP, which sounds just about in-line with what people here say.
By that time I'll have enough experience flying a nano-Cynabal to fly a Vagabond to a good standard of efficency.
As for BS, I can't fly a BS, I've spent my EvE life flying smaller things. Even BCs I find kindof slow - I'm having most fun in frigates, really, and can stomach cruisers.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2007.10.18 15:14:00 -
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21m here
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badermans
UK Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.20 01:57:00 -
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I have just over 16mill sp and i can fly a HAC with all support skills at least to level 4 and can use all T2 stuff on my HAC. Also I have BS 5. It just all depends on what you want to spec for. Im sure you could fly a hac with allt the support skills to 4 as well as the main ones to 5 with 8 mill sp
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.20 22:54:00 -
[52]
17mil SP roughly.
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Umit Davala
Corpus PCG
The State
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Posted - 2007.10.20 23:23:00 -
[53]
About 17mil here. I didnt see the point in training for a Vaga when they were costing the best part of half a bil to buy and fit decently.
Yay invention!
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ClogMan
Caldari
Unknown-Heroes
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.10.22 10:39:00 -
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I try to follow the rule "get the skills to fly it well" before i upgrade my ships.
I dotn see the point in getting the ship and then train for all the side skills (gunnery, navigation etc. etc)
Therefor i think i had about 25m SP before i sat foot in a vaga.
Im not in a hurry to get new ships, i prefer getting my skills in order first :)
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Havok Pierce
Gallente
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.21 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Havok Pierce on 21/11/2007 04:44:53
29m, I actually flew Command Ships (Astarte) before I flew any HACs (Deimos). I <3 the Deimos, btw.
Right, I hate flying battleships in PVP.
You generally want the ship's skill at L4 before you really start flying it decently.
Also, you really do need T2 weapons/armor for the thing as well as the support skills at at least L3/L4.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
There's a Community petition category??
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Jessica Molla
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:09:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Havok Pierce
Edited by: Havok Pierce on 21/11/2007 04:44:53
29m, I actually flew Command Ships (Astarte) before I flew any HACs (Deimos). I <3 the Deimos, btw.
Right, I hate flying battleships in PVP.
You generally want the ship's skill at L4 before you really start flying it decently.
Also, you really do need T2 weapons/armor for the thing as well as the support skills at at least L3/L4.
i had around 9 mil, but after i got it i had to skill up some support skills so i really started flying it after i reached like 12 mils...at this point i started to skill for astarte too
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Splash Whale
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:47:00 -
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9.6
Just jumped into my shiny Ishtar
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Inen
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.21 18:47:00 -
[58]
Still have not gone for it yet (27 million SP). Right now I want to get my shield skills to V (and large AC spec to IV) and a few other skills first before I look into adding a new ship to my arsenal.
My first HAC will be a Munnin though 
And I know I don't need shield skills for it (armor is done with level V to all except the comp skills which are at IV).
I also need my drone skills up... blah so much to train.
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Derrios
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.11.21 21:33:00 -
[59]
like 10m for ishtar (but i needed a lot more imo)
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.22 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Anthony
I dont believe total skill points make much difference... what matters are the support skills.. I was soloing lvl 3s with my eagle because i had the necessary support skills... I am currently in a nighthawk, and that is the greatest ship i have ever flown. I am actually able to solo lvl 4 missions in that sucker, though i do always decline angel extravaganza and when worlds collide. I also have trouble with Guristas Extravaganza, though i am able to complete it every time. Just takes 5-6 hours and lots of warp outs.. Anyway, Im getting a little off topic, but i wish i had never trained Battleships ... it seems a waste of skill points to me... i cant stand those things...
umm, the nighthawk doesnt have problems with any level 4 mission, so you should be safe in both angel extravaganza and worlds collide even tho they take a few hours.
Not sure what your doing wrong to have to jump out during gurista extravaganza
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MrVilla
ACE'S OVER 8'S
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Posted - 2007.11.22 11:15:00 -
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Not sure how many SP I had...probably 20-25 mill. But I did have HAC lvl5 :) I still miss my Cerb, but sold it before the nighthawk came as i thought the prices would fall. At the moment it seems that the prices are stabile again so I might get a new one. Although i loved it I'm not sure I wanna exhange it with the nighthawk :)
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Nagen
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Posted - 2007.11.22 21:49:00 -
[62]
18 mil
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.23 04:22:00 -
[63]
After getting a summer of play in I decided I'd wait on Hac's and not get them at around 12mil SPs. Going to cross train caldari shield/missles and get into a blackbird. Reason for this is I don't have the funds or pvp xp to use a Vaga without getting embarassed in the thing.
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MeMake Cyno
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:31:00 -
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10.7 for my sacrilage. only because i was training for a cmdship with all learining skills maxed.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:45:00 -
[65]
17 mil for me, my muninn sports its t2 arty nicely
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Chromakey Dreamcoat
Caldari
Model Of Aggression
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Posted - 2007.11.28 05:04:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Chromakey Dreamcoat on 28/11/2007 05:04:16
25mil sp and I still don't have them trained.
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Kathira
Gallente
Denial of Service
Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:12:00 -
[67]
40 mill SP and no trainingspoint in HACs. ;)
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:30:00 -
[68]
I flew my first HAC at 62 Mill SP
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Aeaus
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.30 21:14:00 -
[69]
I think my first HAC was at about 20M SP? My first Command Ship will probably be at 40M SP though 
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Zilkin
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.01 01:18:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Aeaus
I think my first HAC was at about 20M SP? My first Command Ship will probably be at 40M SP though
Pretty much the same as me. Actually I did have amarr cruiser 5 and hac 1 since something like 10mil sp mainly because I needed a break back then and amarr cruiser 5 was my longest training skill ;) but I didn't actually fly hac until 20mil+ sp when I felt I was really ready for it. Also I currently have skills planned till close to 40 mil sp and no cs skills there  |
Lord Gendor
Caldari
Trillion Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.12.03 18:43:00 -
[71]
Total sp means nothing for the most part when it comes to how qualified you are to fly a ship. For a HAC the main thing is that all your equip is tech II, gun/missile/tank/cap skills are all 4-5. This is probably doable by about 8-10M sp if you train for nothing but skills that will be used for your hac, but since many people train BS/industry/trade/etc, it is more around 15M+.
But tech II equip is the big key, whats the point of a tech II ship if you don't fit it with tech II guns and stuff.
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Mevadem
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Posted - 2007.12.03 20:55:00 -
[72]
14 mil when I bought my Ishtar.
Now I am thinking about getting am Eagle.
Support skills for Engineering and Mech are all at 4 and a couple 5.
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.12.03 22:38:00 -
[73]
To the op,
THANK YOU,
You just made me realize that I REALLY DONT want to fly a maelstrom :]
I'm flying a halfway T2 fitted hurricane atm, doing exactl ywhat your doing, ratting and pvp and missions.
Atm, I am training cap skills to be able to fly a vagabond, Stabber is SO much BIGGER than a thorax ,
I wouldn't train for large battleship modules if you arent planning to fly them though.
I would go with sticking in your harblinger and training support skills for the hac you want to fly whilst pimping out the harblinger to your liking.
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.12.03 22:41:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Lord Gendor
Total sp means nothing for the most part when it comes to how qualified you are to fly a ship. For a HAC the main thing is that all your equip is tech II, gun/missile/tank/cap skills are all 4-5. This is probably doable by about 8-10M sp if you train for nothing but skills that will be used for your hac, but since many people train BS/industry/trade/etc, it is more around 15M+.
But tech II equip is the big key, whats the point of a tech II ship if you don't fit it with tech II guns and stuff.
I have a friend who decided to not to go with the flow...
He has a non T2 fitted astarte...
Instead, its faction [shadow serpintas] fitted...
Faction stuff just sounds cooler than [insert named item here] T2
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:52:00 -
[75]
I can fly fully t2 fit gallente hacs at 13million sps, and that's with some thrown in indy, some in science some in this and that...
As for bypassing BS skills I know ppl in eve who have 40 million sp+ who don't have bs lvl 1 on their char.
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
Divine Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 12:05:00 -
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About 13m. . . .
Could fly a fully T2 Cane before then tho, and semi T2 Myrm
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Lord Gendor
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:36:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr
Originally by: Lord Gendor
Total sp means nothing for the most part when it comes to how qualified you are to fly a ship. For a HAC the main thing is that all your equip is tech II, gun/missile/tank/cap skills are all 4-5. This is probably doable by about 8-10M sp if you train for nothing but skills that will be used for your hac, but since many people train BS/industry/trade/etc, it is more around 15M+.
But tech II equip is the big key, whats the point of a tech II ship if you don't fit it with tech II guns and stuff.
I have a friend who decided to not to go with the flow...
He has a non T2 fitted astarte...
Instead, its faction [shadow serpintas] fitted...
Faction stuff just sounds cooler than [insert named item here] T2
Well if you can afford a faction fitted hac you most likely have the skills to fly a fully fitted tech II ship, the discussion here is how much sp you should have before you start flying around in a hac, not whats the most uber setup.
Im pretty sure most everyone understands that faction is better than T2. But if you only have gun/support skills at 3, faction equipment will only make you a more profitable kill.
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Haldir Ravenclaw
Ordo Occultus Deus
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:57:00 -
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Close to 30m SP, and only recently finished Gallente Cruiser 5, and working towards an Ishtar! Just have to finish off Assault Ships 4 and Weapon Upgrades 5. I already have alot of support skills done, as well as good drone skills... I hope!
Now, where did I put my Vexor BPC's for Invention 
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