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Xrensa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:57:00 - [121] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 03/10/2007 20:54:32 Originally by: Carnmire So the mighty BoB war machine is averaging 1 POS down every two weeks or so? I guess theyre aiming for early '08 sov in FAT. this is about lag and particular fight, no? Sry, i might be wrong. Im sure there are plenty of other threads regarding speed of taking poses down. But, then again, i guess you just randomly enter a thread and paste something I think we hold the record with 30 of yours in a day.
Kara Ivanova Latrocinium Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:57:00 - [122] Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Ms Tolarri Originally by: Nlewis 1280x1024 has more pixels than 1280x800 and doesn't run any different than 1024x768 in eve. sure you could use full graphics during that fight, eve currently does not use your graphics card and you have a good processor. this has nothing to do with widescreen over non-widescreen. Even with AA and AF running with(outside of) eve, it still shouldn't make much of a difference performance wise since your graphics card already has little to no load put onto it I tried to edit this into my other post but it wouldn't work for some reason /cuts the quote-pyramid Anyway "1280x1024 has more pixels than 1280x800 and doesn't run any different than 1024x768." Lawl wtf? It will run slower at a higher resolution, just not noticeably slower. Besides, 1280x800 isn't a widescreen resolution, just a wide aspect ratio. The original res of that video, by doubling the half-size res, is 1680x1048. That's 1.7 million pixels, as opposed to 1024x768 / 1280x800 running at under 1 million. 70% more pixels to render makes no difference? any other game and I agree with you but we are talking about eve Any idea how badly you just failed?
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:00:00 - [123] Originally by: Kara Ivanova Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Ms Tolarri Originally by: Nlewis 1280x1024 has more pixels than 1280x800 and doesn't run any different than 1024x768 in eve. sure you could use full graphics during that fight, eve currently does not use your graphics card and you have a good processor. this has nothing to do with widescreen over non-widescreen. Even with AA and AF running with(outside of) eve, it still shouldn't make much of a difference performance wise since your graphics card already has little to no load put onto it I tried to edit this into my other post but it wouldn't work for some reason /cuts the quote-pyramid Anyway "1280x1024 has more pixels than 1280x800 and doesn't run any different than 1024x768." Lawl wtf? It will run slower at a higher resolution, just not noticeably slower. Besides, 1280x800 isn't a widescreen resolution, just a wide aspect ratio. The original res of that video, by doubling the half-size res, is 1680x1048. That's 1.7 million pixels, as opposed to 1024x768 / 1280x800 running at under 1 million. 70% more pixels to render makes no difference? any other game and I agree with you but we are talking about eve Any idea how badly you just failed? why? I have switched many times between 1280x1024 and 1024x768 many times and I have noticed no difference whatsoever
Ztrain Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:02:00 - [124] More Dots more Dots!!! Lag does the killboard good. Z CCP (Producers of Slide Show Online) takin the fun out of EVE, one patch at a time.
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:12:00 - [125] Originally by: Ms Tolarri Originally by: Wainak SERVER IS WORKING FINE! NO LAG @ ALL! You really shouldn't be running a Widescreen monitor with a single-core CPU. It will kill your performance. EPIC post.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:15:00 - [126] Originally by: Validor cap ships involved? you tell me. Linkage and Linkage You're in a seven-ganglink command ship with no command processors, it's not even the fleet-command variety (so you're only able to run one of them at a time), you aren't the fleet commander, you have no drones in your bay, and you're on-grid with the fight despite it not being physically possible for you to get on a killmail if you wanted to. Thank you for contributing absolutely NOTHING to that fight. I'm sure everyone was happy to have you there. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:15:00 - [127] Originally by: Ztrain More Dots more Dots!!! Lag does the killboard good. Z Hehe I wonder though if you will say the same when your next titan goes down I can't really imagine that any mature player can enjoy that lag. Shooting ships that are lagged out or desynced? How exciting yawns
Kay Han Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:18:00 - [128] wish i was there. Originally by: CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
Kara Ivanova Latrocinium Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:18:00 - [129] Originally by: Nlewis why? I have switched between 1280x1024 and 1024x768 many times and I have noticed no difference whatsoever Did you go from 1 frame / minute to one frame / 50 seconds then? Seriously, there is a difference. Like Mrs T said, sometimes it's barely noticeable, but you're trying to challenge cold hard fact
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:22:00 - [130] Originally by: Wainak SERVER IS WORKING FINE! NO LAG @ ALL! Yeah those are no fun, It looks like you where about to warp out, I hope you did . And it has nothing to do with the computer speed, the grid never loaded, meaning the server never sent him the grid details. Happens to all of us TBH, I have had my fair share of it as well.

Winters Chill Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:27:00 - [131] So...who won /popcorn munchmunch*
Ztrain Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:27:00 - [132] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Ztrain More Dots more Dots!!! Lag does the killboard good. Z Hehe I wonder though if you will say the same when your next titan goes down I can't really imagine that any mature player can enjoy that lag. Shooting ships that are lagged out or desynced? How exciting yawns For thoes that didn't see it. I am sarcastic as hell. Lag sucks for EVERYONE involved. Problem is until enough people demand that they fix their broken game nothing will change. Okay enough seriousness. On the more sarcastic note it is kinda cool to be able to play an MMO at a pace that partaking in huge fleet battles at the same time as playing another MMO. What other MMO can offer that? Z CCP (Producers of Slide Show Online) takin the fun out of EVE, one patch at a time.
Shirokko Papshimar Gallente SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:28:00 - [133] Originally by: Darcuese its my fault tbh yes sir im afraid it is all ur fault u should be ashamed but we love you so .. you forgiven
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:28:00 - [134] Originally by: Winters Chill So...who won /popcorn munchmunch* Why, Bob did, of course.... \0/ According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:29:00 - [135] Edited by: Hellaciouss on 03/10/2007 21:31:06 Originally by: Pilk Noob talking smack --P You know, I keep seeing you smack all over the forums, so I asked myself, "Who are these AXE guys? They must be pretty big to be giving out advice like this". So I looked at the Sov map and tried to find Axiom Empire somewhere. For some reason they were not listed in the Sov tab and thought "that can't be possible for the amount of smack I read from this Pilk guy", so I went online and found this well known website and yet it shows them as having no space anywhere. Talk about worthless. Obviously both the Sov map in-game and the sov statistics on that site are out of date, right guys? ..right? .....guys?
Felfany	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:31:00 - [136] Edited by: Felfany on 03/10/2007 21:30:50 whoops*
Aversin Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:31:00 - [137] Originally by: Bluebear8 But, of course we have lag in FAT. BoB told all its friends they have to appear today or face a rental increase. IAC told all its members ... FREE DRINKS! EPIC battles ... deserve EPIC posts ... You all know, CCP planned it this way... While you wait to relog, you should enjoy this thread to find out who is winning today's FORUM battle! WHAT THE CRAP WE GET FREE DRINKS? WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME! Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:33:00 - [138] Originally by: bulabuba Originally by: Hummer H3 Why on earth with BoB+allies tied up in FAT, goons haven't swarmed into Bob homespace and started attempting to drop cyno jammers or reinforce POS instead of putting even more ships into an already overloaded system. Because overloading a system to the point where it lags out and dies works for them. It's the tactic they've been using for at least a year now. Where have you been? Quote: Honestly is there a reason why it makes more sence to Lag FAT that potentially draw BoB back to their homespace? Yep, there is a reason. Lagging a system out makes winning and losing more of a crapshoot, and tends to favor the force that had the most people in a system at the time the node died. You can expect to see Goons do this every time the Russians look like they might be in trouble. Why does it make sense? Because, again, it works for them, and has been working for over a year now. The unhappy state of the game is that either side will do what it takes to win, whether that means playing the game, or playing the game mechanics and server limitations. If it came down to a contest of pure pvp skill, tactics, and strategy, I don't think even the Goons could delude themselves into thinking they'd have much of a chance against MC and BoB. Fortunately for them, it doesn't. wasn't that tactic used for years before goons were ingame? or do you just ignore the parts of history that don't suit your own propaganda?
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:35:00 - [139] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 03/10/2007 20:54:32 Originally by: Carnmire So the mighty BoB war machine is averaging 1 POS down every two weeks or so? I guess theyre aiming for early '08 sov in FAT. this is about lag and particular fight, no? Sry, i might be wrong. Im sure there are plenty of other threads regarding speed of taking poses down. But, then again, i guess you just randomly enter a thread and paste something translated: yes
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:42:00 - [140] Originally by: Kara Ivanova Did you go from 1 frame / minute to one frame / 50 seconds then? Seriously, there is a difference. Like Mrs T said, sometimes it's barely noticeable, but you're trying to challenge cold hard fact No, there isn't a difference. EVE offloads most graphics processing to the CPU rather than the GPU. Increasing the load on the GPU won't make a difference because your framerate is being limited by the CPU already. It'd be like running Bioshock with an 8800 and a Pentium 3, increasing AA and AF won't lower your framerates because your CPU will be choking and lowering your framerates on even the lowest settings.

Winters Chill Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:43:00 - [141] Edited by: Winters Chill on 03/10/2007 21:44:32 Originally by: Dawn Razor Then I shut down the game and watched the movie "Sunshine" by Danny Boyle. A really good movie, I¦d recommend it to any scifi fans...it¦s in the same vein as Event Horizon, slightly less gory and a bit more intelligent maybe. Intelligent? Really? The entire hook is based on a series implausable "what could go wrong next" moments. I didn't like it, ah well to each thier own I suppose.
Kara Ivanova Latrocinium Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:56:00 - [142] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Kara Ivanova Did you go from 1 frame / minute to one frame / 50 seconds then? Seriously, there is a difference. Like Mrs T said, sometimes it's barely noticeable, but you're trying to challenge cold hard fact No, there isn't a difference. EVE offloads most graphics processing to the CPU rather than the GPU. Increasing the load on the GPU won't make a difference because your framerate is being limited by the CPU already. It'd be like running Bioshock with an 8800 and a Pentium 3, increasing AA and AF won't lower your framerates because your CPU will be choking and lowering your framerates on even the lowest settings. Do you not realise that a GPU is just a CPU in disguise, haxx0red to make it solely for graphics processing? I wasn't saying anything about AA and AF increasing / decreasing framerate, so why did you even bring that into the equation? Increasing the number of pixels to change every frame makes the CPU (which, as Eve is pretty crappily programmed, and does all of its graphics rendering on the CPU (AA and AF don't count as theyre programmed externally with graphics drivers) work harder to do so, thus reducing framerate.
Asylum Seaker Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.03 21:57:00 - [143] Originally by: Phear meh imo just allow 100 people tops in a system.. this old crap of blob warfare is just sickning. lrn2play So how are you meant to attack this system if the defense fleet is 100 strong? Which it will be, no problem. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:02:00 - [144] Originally by: Hellaciouss You know, I keep seeing you smack all over the forums, so I asked myself, "Who are these AXE guys? They must be pretty big to be giving out advice like this". So I looked at the Sov map and tried to find Axiom Empire somewhere. For some reason they were not listed in the Sov tab and thought "that can't be possible for the amount of smack I read from this Pilk guy", so I went online and found this well known website and yet it shows them as having no space anywhere. Talk about worthless. Obviously both the Sov map in-game and the sov statistics on that site are out of date, right guys? ..right? .....guys? Are you suggesting, then, that Burn Eden, 0utbreak, and oooh Shiny are all worthless? They don't hold any outposts, either. Indeed, if the price of admission to 0.0 combat is owning an outpost, why was BOS doing the heavy lifting for you guys in 49-U? They hold no stations. At any rate, if you want to respond to me pointing out that you had a patently-worthless player on the field by firing a shot at my alliance's e-cred, you're probably already beyond my help. We'll win the battle because we know how to fit ships so that they're a boon to our effectiveness, not a liability. Meanwhile, I'm sure you'll win some sort of e-cred e-peen contest. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
OmegaKnight The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:06:00 - [145] Need more hamsters
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:10:00 - [146] Edited by: xBlood on 03/10/2007 22:10:03 ^ awesome Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:17:00 - [147] That BP needs more research. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Lucy Liusius Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:23:00 - [148] Hell my friend , calm down AXE was once with the good guys , actually helped fight MC with IAC way back in the day ... sad really to see them where they are to day
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:24:00 - [149] Originally by: Lucy Liusius sad really to see them where they are to day As opposed to aligning with goons?
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.03 22:25:00 - [150] Originally by: Kara Ivanova Do you not realise that a GPU is just a CPU in disguise, haxx0red to make it solely for graphics processing? I wasn't saying anything about AA and AF increasing / decreasing framerate, so why did you even bring that into the equation? Increasing the number of pixels to change every frame makes the CPU (which, as Eve is pretty crappily programmed, and does all of its graphics rendering on the CPU (AA and AF don't count as theyre programmed externally with graphics drivers) work harder to do so, thus reducing framerate. You don't get graphics processing, do you? When I had a 9600XT, changing from 800x600 to 1027x768 actually increased my framerates. Do you know why?



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