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Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.04 11:42:00 - [241] Edited by: Scavok on 04/10/2007 11:42:24 Originally by: Mynas Atoch More days like yesterday, please, only with less people in system. Send some of your *****es to feyth or we're going to keep coming
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.04 11:44:00 - [242] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: Wigglytuff Originally by: Kraken Sra'vik Hmm, didn't CCP put a system cap on a BoB system that was invaded... They've done it a few times, the specific Bob incident you're thinking of is likely when the coalition was going after a 'titan' that turned out to be a mothership, iirc they put the 700 player cap in place, and had they not, the other 2000 or so players from both sides trying to get there would've likely crashed the node, if not the server as a whole in the process. Cap was also used when LV's baby titan was killed iirc. Do you make up things as you go along or you just repeat the crap that someone feeds you without knowing the facts? First of all, the Titan that turned out to be Mother ship TURNED OUT TO BE EMPTY POS! All the capitals that were killed in that fight still hold the record of most capitals lost in a single battle. It was also known by opposition that it was not a baby Titan in the POS to begin with and it was held secret from their member, so basically they were all sacrificed. Second, there was no cap limit on systems when LV lost their baby Titan, thatÆs why there was no way to defend 1K+ blob from crashing the node and thatÆs why CCP introduced the 700 cap limit in the first place. Get your facts strait if you are going to repeat propaganda on CAOD or someone WILL call you out on in. This time, that someone is me. You do realize they killed an empty pos, believing it was the 'titan' (ms) right? They went in looking for a titan kill and got an empty pos, it doesn't change the facts of that situation (coalition believing it was killing a titan, a MS was being made not a titan, system cap was in place). Doesn't matter that the lower ranking guys didn't know, or that they hit the wrong pos, you can *** about who of what position knew what, my point was that I was clarifying Kraken's statement. I'd thought at some point CCP put the cap on the LV raid due to the constant node crashed people kept ***ing about, guess not, my bad. Also, why the hell would I spread propaganda? I have nothing at stake in that south war unless people one day can claim lowsec systems. Not everyone's made for trolling like you are.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.10.04 11:45:00 - [243] Del369, Take a deep breath m8, my post questioned the IAC timeline, you then went off the deep end with the "joo noob" comments. You then got my attitude back and have totally ignored the questions I posed cos either you cant or dont want to answer them. Go back and read my first post and You'll see I'd love to have seen just IAC and FIX going at it, would have made for a better conflict imo. Take your smacking head off for a min, if you cant dont post.
Silvestri Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 11:47:00 - [244] Respect Mynas...as usual. I think this thread needs to just die now or be locked. It ran it's course and it was not really that fun reading so much bickering. Just let this thread die now....
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.04 12:42:00 - [245] Originally by: Del369 Originally by: Tom McCash Originally by: Rochel Hakiri He was talking about creating a thread, anyways CCP : Welp!!! 40 minutes and counting ... lemme play ma game please Stop expecting fun with these numbers. This is technical not possible. Stob blobbing (i mean both sides). Maybe then you can expect fun. Till then : Dont blame CCP for your own faults we would quite happily leave it at just us and FIX So that's why you attacked 49-U with BOS? And then, shortly afterwards, when you couldn't push past FIX, -A-? That doesn't seem like someone spoiling for a heads-up war. Tell me, just how big is IAC's capital fleet? I'm pretty sure FIX can field more dreadnoughts than you by a factor of two; they brought over twenty to one of our ops in 49- over a month ago. FIX v IAC, 1v1, is a fight you do not want and cannot win. Regardless, though, it's all smoke, mirrors, and hot air. We'll likely never know what would happen if IAC attacked FIX solo, barring the short period of time when IAC attacked FIX solo* and FIX defended spectacularly-well. What we have now is, I believe, technically referred to as a "cluster***", and there's nothing for it but to keep fighting these 250 v. 400 lagfests until someone gives up. We'll know soon. --P : Note: Not solo. Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.04 12:49:00 - [246] Originally by: Pilk So that's why you attacked 49-U with BOS? And then, shortly afterwards, when you couldn't push past FIX, -A-? That doesn't seem like someone spoiling for a heads-up war. I'm pretty sure AAA didn't get involved until MC did, and we intervened reluctantly after The Reckoning's cap fleet got involved. Even then we had no initial plans to deploy ANY capitals - just prevent FIX getting rolled over while we had a Titan in build. BOS was not a factor we considered relevant. But gradually it escalated, and both sides are responsible for that. This isn't the first time either side have misjudged an opponents response to their own escalation. It won't be the last. Myn .
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:00:00 - [247] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 04/10/2007 13:00:27 The smack is mainly on the forums, tbh. Ban those alts. We are routinely joking with McBobFix in local, smack is few and far between, and gets usually scolded by alliance-mates when it happens. Respect. - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:09:00 - [248] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Pilk So that's why you attacked 49-U with BOS? And then, shortly afterwards, when you couldn't push past FIX, -A-? That doesn't seem like someone spoiling for a heads-up war. I'm pretty sure AAA didn't get involved until MC did, and we intervened reluctantly after The Reckoning's cap fleet got involved. Even then we had no initial plans to deploy ANY capitals - just prevent FIX getting rolled over while we had a Titan in build. BOS was not a factor we considered relevant. But gradually it escalated, and both sides are responsible for that. This isn't the first time either side have misjudged an opponents response to their own escalation. It won't be the last. Myn . Pretty much the true on a precise measure I would say. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Barthezz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:13:00 - [249] Originally by: Mynas Atoch I'm pretty sure AAA didn't get involved until MC did, and we intervened reluctantly after The Reckoning's cap fleet got involved. Even then we had no initial plans to deploy ANY capitals - just prevent FIX getting rolled over while we had a Titan in build. BOS was not a factor we considered relevant. But gradually it escalated, and both sides are responsible for that. This isn't the first time either side have misjudged an opponents response to their own escalation. It won't be the last. Myn . I'm not 100% sure but I also think AAA only got involved after MC got involved. At least in 49-. And BoB only got involved once ED- almost fell. I still think ED- would have fallen if lag wasnt as bad as it was. That said, IAC did have BoS and The Reckoning on their side. However Fix wasnt just Fix either, it included several other factions as well. To me those where the fun times, after that things got 'too big' and laggy, ruined the fun. But such is life in eve-alliance warfare. --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:40:00 - [250] Actually I think -A- attacked ED- on the 12th July. -A-'s first tower was placed in ED- on the 16th July MC then started to support FIX on the 25th July thats the timeline I have.

Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:44:00 - [251] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Actually I think -A- attacked ED- on the 12th July. -A-'s first tower was placed in ED- on the 16th July MC then started to support FIX on the 25th July thats the timeline I have. Maybe first active MC combat. But we had seen MC Motherships near 49 way earlier, and "alternative sources of information" pointed MC was already "hired" to come help FIX. At end there was not MUCh fighting with AAA or MC without the other on field. It was a FIX-IAC fight then became McFix - IAAAC fight. Then McBoBFIX - IAAC then McBOBFix vs IRAAAC fight. And I hope stop there, the tickers for these groups are already ridiculous enough. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 13:52:00 - [252] ok so we are all agreed at last, now i have iskies to make :) my apologies to the alt/min that i seem to have offended, sorry m8 with alt spew flying everywhere if you got caught innocently in the crossfire my sincere apologies Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:15:00 - [253] Originally by: Pilk Useless drivel Pilk you really should stop posting. You're starting to get owned by your own Allies (see: Mynas Atoch post) when you go off on one of your "I know everything" tirades when you actually don't know ****. And about your earlier comment about some of our Allies not having space - Do you see any of them smacking on the forums?
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:24:00 - [254] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: Wigglytuff Originally by: Kraken Sra'vik Hmm, didn't CCP put a system cap on a BoB system that was invaded... They've done it a few times, the specific Bob incident you're thinking of is likely when the coalition was going after a 'titan' that turned out to be a mothership, iirc they put the 700 player cap in place, and had they not, the other 2000 or so players from both sides trying to get there would've likely crashed the node, if not the server as a whole in the process. Cap was also used when LV's baby titan was killed iirc. Do you make up things as you go along or you just repeat the crap that someone feeds you without knowing the facts? First of all, the Titan that turned out to be Mother ship TURNED OUT TO BE EMPTY POS! All the capitals that were killed in that fight still hold the record of most capitals lost in a single battle. It was also known by opposition that it was not a baby Titan in the POS to begin with and it was held secret from their member, so basically they were all sacrificed. Second, there was no cap limit on systems when LV lost their baby Titan, thatÆs why there was no way to defend 1K+ blob from crashing the node and thatÆs why CCP introduced the 700 cap limit in the first place. Get your facts strait if you are going to repeat propaganda on CAOD or someone WILL call you out on in. This time, that someone is me. you are an alt. how ***** **** are you? bragging about posting with an alt? 1. did he mention anything about the cap ships? no he didnt. learn to read moron. 2. the cap was put there to save bob's ass. fact! get more ccp help you chicken**alt 3. buhuu about sekrit stuff withheld.. like hell bob doesnt lie their ass of to say rise.. Why cant you just for once post with your main? You can point out wrong fact's posted by others but it wont watter, cus you are an alt. Some tiny 7 stone 17 year old alt. And thats a fact till you boy learn to post with your main. how afraid must 1 be to not post with their main char in a game? too add on that, why did you chose to have a girl for avatar? cus you got no balls..?
Damir36 Gallente PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:26:00 - [255] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Hellaciouss You know, I keep seeing you smack all over the forums, so I asked myself, "Who are these AXE guys? Are you suggesting, then, that Burn Eden, 0utbreak, and oooh Shiny are all worthless? They don't hold any outposts, either. Indeed, if the price of admission to 0.0 combat is owning an outpost, why was BOS doing the heavy lifting for you guys in 49-U? They hold no stations. Well Pilk, I think I remember shooting yo once... but the Guys you mentioned above, in diffrece to you they never owned a complete Region Oh ****, for this comment I will get yelled at by my CEO, but read Pilk once to often. For the Fight in Fat: First Fight of the day was ok, reasonable Module Activation times and reloading possible, a bit laggy at the end as I tried to repair my Alt and some other ppls Armordamage. I think this first round could be said that the MCBOBFIX..."won" as they managed to destroy a Carrier that miswarped. I don`t know about IAC, but our Kills and losses otherwise where fairly even. The second fight was pure frustration. Sat there in my Alts Mega, waiting 15 Min for Grid to load, than 10 Minutes for locking and another ten for weaponactivation. After that only one Gun reloaded and was shot empty while the Rest of the guns still tried to reload. I tried to stop aligning but my BS just flew on. 10 Minutes later I was out of Optirange, 5 Minutes later I was out of lockingrange still screaming at my ship to stop and that Dread to die. Then I spammed the warp to Button a couple of times and watched TV till about 30 Minutes later I warped to the POS and had another 15 Minutes of Gridloading. I think the fight was over by then... Not funny CCP Grn¯e Damir Beware: German Link!:) Deutschprachige Piloten gesucht
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:28:00 - [256] Originally by: Del369 ok so we are all agreed at last, now i have iskies to make :) my apologies to the alt/min that i seem to have offended, sorry m8 with alt spew flying everywhere if you got caught innocently in the crossfire my sincere apologies Min / Main potatoe, patato I'll agree theres a lot of ALT smack and drivel in here and I dont think I was smacking or driveling, I did post a few facts. I dont pretend to be involved, I stopped with mass alliance warfare on my previous main a long time ago when it became the lag gamble it is today, since then he sits skill training and this char runs industry to save some isk for when the servers get sorted out, but I do have a lot of friend on all sides, IAC / FIX / BOB / MC / CVA / MM / PURE you name them I know people in them so I enjoy hearing things from both sides. As for the whole who joined in who first my opinion is it looks like -A- and IAC dogpiled FIX then MC reacted, but my friends arent in the top chans of IAC so I dont know what intel you get. I'm also supprised MC's titan was in build at the time, I was under the impression that it had been built some months ago. So personally I think Pilk is right more than Mynas is but hey ho.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:37:00 - [257] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Originally by: Del369 ok so we are all agreed at last, now i have iskies to make :) my apologies to the alt/min that i seem to have offended, sorry m8 with alt spew flying everywhere if you got caught innocently in the crossfire my sincere apologies Min / Main potatoe, patato I'll agree theres a lot of ALT smack and drivel in here and I dont think I was smacking or driveling, I did post a few facts. I dont pretend to be involved, I stopped with mass alliance warfare on my previous main a long time ago when it became the lag gamble it is today, since then he sits skill training and this char runs industry to save some isk for when the servers get sorted out, but I do have a lot of friend on all sides, IAC / FIX / BOB / MC / CVA / MM / PURE you name them I know people in them so I enjoy hearing things from both sides. As for the whole who joined in who first my opinion is it looks like -A- and IAC dogpiled FIX then MC reacted, but my friends arent in the top chans of IAC so I dont know what intel you get. I'm also supprised MC's titan was in build at the time, I was under the impression that it had been built some months ago. So personally I think Pilk is right more than Mynas is but hey ho. mc got involved way back when mcfix tried to eradicate us the 1st time, that wasn't long after the count back stabbed us, so in a nutshell pilks about as right as letting michael jackson babysit your kids Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:43:00 - [258] Originally by: Del369 mc got involved way back when mcfix tried to eradicate us the 1st time, that wasn't long after the count back stabbed us, so in a nutshell pilks about as right as letting michael jackson babysit your kids Ah now thats very true, if we go that far back, ISS threw the first stone, FIX got brought a long for s**ts and giggles. Then there were the 10 FIX towers dropped in FAT a few months before this recent conflict kicked off. Funny thing is that without prohibition IAC and FIX would probably been good neighbors, there are striking simularities between the two.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.04 14:52:00 - [259] Originally by: Royaldo 2. the cap was put there to save bob's ass. fact! get more ccp help you chicken****alt There was no system cap, seriously. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Kubera Amarr Rakasha Legion	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:06:00 - [260] Originally by: All of you Rabble! Rabble Rabble! His fault! Her fault! You're wrong! We roxxor! CCP'S FAULT! As "entertaining" as this banter is, despite the obvious lag what has been killed and lost? Hardly think this situation would warrant a battle report per se, but how about a body count? If you guys can get over accusing each other of various backstabs and mis deeds.

Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:07:00 - [261] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Originally by: Del369 mc got involved way back when mcfix tried to eradicate us the 1st time, that wasn't long after the count back stabbed us, so in a nutshell pilks about as right as letting michael jackson babysit your kids Ah now thats very true, if we go that far back, ISS threw the first stone, FIX got brought a long for sts and giggles. Then there were the 10 FIX towers dropped in FAT a few months before this recent conflict kicked off. Funny thing is that without prohibition IAC and FIX would probably been good neighbors, there are striking simularities between the two. quite correct, apparantly Seleenes meglomaniacal dreams included "removing" us, god knows why fix got involved, but they did, and now we are here, dunno what Tyraxx ever shoved up Seleenes dress but he/she/it obviously didn't see the funny side Originally by:** Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
laotse The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:08:00 - [262] so the bob mc laggg machine workt again http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
CaptainMiller	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:38:00 - [263] Edited by: CaptainMiller on 04/10/2007 15:46:54 edit wrong character and it was smack
Pnuka Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:47:00 - [264] Originally by: CaptainMiller Originally by: Del369 oh wow my bad mistake, you got a whole 3 of ours in FAT in 2 weeks So you admit you were wrong and just spewing crap out of your ass? See why noone likes you? Because you just yell and scream like a child with no real merit. With a name like Operation Steamroller, I think we were expecting a bit more is all.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 15:47:00 - [265] Originally by: CaptainMiller Originally by: Del369 oh wow my bad mistake, you got a whole 3 of ours in FAT in 2 weeks So you admit you were wrong and just spewing crap out of your ass? See why noone likes you? Because you just yell and scream like a child with no real merit. lol don't this nutless alt just beat all, go and find the balls to post with your main son. Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
Silent butViolent Harder Better Faster Stronger	Posted - 2007.10.04 16:04:00 - [266] Look guys, it's simple. To those who say "Don't Blob" you're complete wastes of bandwidth. How are you NOT going to defend your home with EVERYTHING you have? And do you honestly think that if IAC said to BoB "We're bringing 100 people in BS into FAT, that's it, come fight us clean and no lag." BoB would oblige? No...because... CYVOK tried that. In the ASCN conflict, he offered a fair fight to BoB with no one else in the system and BoB balked. Was it because they realized a fair fight 50v50 would be a coin flip? Probably. Was it because they realized that their tactic was working (inty / speed HAC gangs to annihilate ASCN solo'ers/ratters/etc and they didn't have the hardware to compete? Who knows. I can say BoB's invasion of ASCN was intimidating, I was there. Invasion of IAC? Can't really call it that yet, and I'm not there...but hearing reports from BOTH sides I don't think it's anything but "spicy", and that's pushing it.
larietta Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.04 16:15:00 - [267] blah cant you see from that screen shot i was bloded Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: larietta i had abit ov lag but not much i play will all effects off and graphics off eve looks some thing like this Linkage wow you fail! Your high score sux!
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.10.04 16:31:00 - [268] Well, if you clear away all the flames and the smoke that goes with them, what you see going on here is good stuff. The alliance is mounting a hard, sustained attack, the coalition is putting up a hard, determined defense and (at least for right now) being slowly but surely pushed back. Classic test of will. Props to everyone involved. Whether IAC/Red/AAA and others are able to hold, or whether their line breaks and IAC gets removed from the field, there is no doubt that the implications for morale and strategic position on both sides are huge. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2007.10.04 16:53:00 - [269] We all know what must be done.....time to shard ~~Jita~~ Fat /me has been reading general discussion to much
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.04 16:58:00 - [270] I have an idea for CCP... Come fleet engagements ENGAGE RTS MODE!! Where you nominated FC becomes the commander and you dont do sh** but sit in front of a blank screen till you die, at which point a message appears saying "sorry for your loss but we dont give a crap". Hell at least it would be better than floating aroud in your tin can waiting to be popped... think of it as star wars crossed with C&C, ah C&C... those were the good old days Even better how about a turn based alternative!!



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