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Mindseamstress	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:01:00 - [1] I am sure the following will raise some very serious concerns in the Eve community, and I would appreciate your opinions, comments. Before I begin the story about the ultimate isk farmer that my corporation encountered this week, I would like to ask the following question: - How much isk should a player be able to make per day in Empire, risk free? Would you say 50m, 100m.... 500m.. More? (Let's not count large volume trading here - I think most would agree that is OK) Here it goes: We headed out as a gang to the Amarr Cosmos a few days ago to explore it as a corp and learn something new about the game. We scouted the systems and eventually found a good site in Garisas (a 0.5 system) called "The Crypt", accessible through "Port Maphante". The crypt is a place where you typically fight Blood Raiders and gain access to loot cans anchored to structures, that you have to hack. Inside the loot cans you find items related to invention, such as valuable skill books, decryptors, etc. These are of course heavily guarded, and the contents respawn every 20 minutes. Upon arriving at The Crypt we spotted 6 Abaddons glued to the 6 most valuable cans, in which loot worth 10-180m isk spawns every 20 minutes (in each can). 3 hours later, the ships were still there... 12 hours later, still there. The next day, they were still there, and the next... As each can respawned, the ships managed to drag the loot into respective cargo holds in just about less than 0.1 seconds, making it impossible for any other player to access it. Every 20 minutes, the same was repeated. The ships are tanked with the specs listed further on in this post, making them invulnerable to the spread fire of the NPCs (none of the ships ever fired at the NPCs, but were taking them non-stop for over 12 hours each day). The ships are also set on autopilot to approach the loot cans... Furthermore, the ships are all in NPC corps, making them invulnerable to player attack... We calculated that a suicide ganking might require up to 10 battleships. Now, you may ask yourself how much this guy is making (because yes, itÆs one guy controlling 6 accounts as we concluded from the eventual simultaneous logging). Wanna take a guess? Well here is what a ship and cargo scan yielded: 2007.10.01 22:12 Farmers: Anst Yorsen 2003 player Dragon Emperor 2003 player Blizzeye 2003 player Dudle 2003 player Dragon Duke 2003 player MoNuMeN 2003 player Farmers Ship: Abaddon Farmers Ship Setup: Lows: True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane x1 Armor Thermic Hardener I x1 Armor EM Hardener II x1 Damage Control II x1 Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer x1 Capacitor Power Relay II x2 Mids: Codebreaker I x1 Gist X-Type 100mn Afterburner x1 Cap Recharger II x2 Highs: Medium Pulse Laser II x8 Rigs: Capacitor Control Circuit I x2 Memetic Algorithm Bank I x1 Total Cargo of all 6: Sacred Manifesto x17 3 million each = 51 million Circular Logic x680 2 million each = 1.36 billion War Strategon x57 15 million each = 855 million Amarr Encryption Method x22 115 million each = 2.53 billion Grand total = 4.8 Billion A revised estimate with Jita prices gives: Sacred Manifesto x17 3 million each = 51 million Circular Logic x680 2 million each = 1.36 billion War Strategon x57 40 million each = 2,28 billion Amarr Encryption Method x22 140 million each = 3.08 billion Grand total = 6.77 Billion And that is the loot for one day... What do you think about this... is it OK to make 7 bil a day risk-free in a 0.5 system?
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:06:00 - [2] Yes.
Nick119 Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Yes. You should be shot Ill find you IN A POD
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Nick119 Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Yes. You should be shot My place or yours?
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:09:00 - [5] While extreemly annoying unfortunatly there is nothing we can do unless there is proof that they are selling the isk for rl money. Untill then it's just one guy with 6 accounts. Don't get me wrong, I really hate people who do this as this is the only reason I never go to these sites. All these things should be moved to exploration, IMHO. A single day of exploration never comes close to 6.7Bil, nevermind in 0.5. -----------------------------------------------------
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:11:00 - [6] Perhaps rats in empire needs a boosting? And I mean allot of boosting? And its is terribly difficult to do anything about farmers.... since it is a human being controlling ALL ships and not a macro. My guess is... GMs cant do a leakidy-split, they can only do something when he tries to sell the ISK. If I was a GM I would take note of the guy, and keep an eye on his ISK transfers....
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:12:00 - [7] Well if they don't carry out those activities then the price of amarr invention will increase significantly. Is that what you would prefer? Farming isk is one thing but what are they using it for? So long as they don't ebay it for cash then that's fine. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Mindseamstress	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Valator Uel While extreemly annoying unfortunatly there is nothing we can do unless there is proof that they are selling the isk for rl money. Untill then it's just one guy with 6 accounts. Don't get me wrong, I really hate people who do this as this is the only reason I never go to these sites. All these things should be moved to exploration, IMHO. A single day of exploration never comes close to 6.7Bil, nevermind in 0.5. Oh I am not saying he is selling isk for IRL money.. he could be saving up for a dozen Titans for all I know. I don't mean to imply that he would be selling isk. Just using the term "farming" in the sense that he is repeatedly collecting immense amounts of valuable loot in a very repetitive way...
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Mindseamstress Originally by: Valator Uel While extreemly annoying unfortunatly there is nothing we can do unless there is proof that they are selling the isk for rl money. Untill then it's just one guy with 6 accounts. Don't get me wrong, I really hate people who do this as this is the only reason I never go to these sites. All these things should be moved to exploration, IMHO. A single day of exploration never comes close to 6.7Bil, nevermind in 0.5. Oh I am not saying he is selling isk for IRL money.. he could be saving up for a dozen Titans for all I know. I don't mean to imply that he would be selling isk. Just using the term "farming" in the sense that he is repeatedly collecting immense amounts of valuable loot in a very repetitive way... It's not they only invention plex that's being farmed. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:15:00 - [10] I honestly think making money out of nowhere i.e. NPCs is the problem in this thread. I am with anything along the lines of money should be player controlled i.e. money can only move between players and would not appear out of nowhere. At least not in this scale. I prefer CCP to give us free ISKs into our account to spend and trade with other players. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

Bloss0m	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:15:00 - [11] Farmer or not thats a bit much to make in empire. Reduce the drops at cosmos sites and move more of the items to the exploration system. That way at least the wealth will spread out to more people and not just one group of possible farmers.
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:16:00 - [12] This sounds a little broken. Petition the characters.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:18:00 - [13] LOOK AT ME MA! I'M ON TEEVEE!!1
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:20:00 - [14] I think the people starting to comment in this thread should try tanking the cosmos plexes before they comment. Note that they are faction fitted BS and the BS being used is the ideal ship to tank the plex. If it's impossible to tank the plex then these items which are critical to invention will go up in price as supply drops. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Morn Judith Caldari Sovereigns of Destiny Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:20:00 - [15] Have you tried loading up your ships with nanos and MWDs and just bumping him away? He might be quick enough to get back in time. But if you timed it together and had 2 ships per each one he has, you could start bumping him at 19 minutes and try to grab the cans. It may be entirely too much work and possibly qualify as griefing, but itd be fun! Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:20:00 - [16] another cosmos farmer thread. ccp doesn't care. move on. forum search cosmos farmer for plenty of opinions (including my own) on this subject.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:21:00 - [17] he is most likely using some macro software to do that 23/7. that is why CCP should stop this unfair farming activity. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:23:00 - [18] I dont think its fair that its camped, and not available to anyone. Moved to exploration would make it a bit fairer, though it'll probably generate a tonne of probe alts. He's not breaking any game rules AFAIK so, cant do anything about it. Have you tried bumping them off the cans ? ___ Too Many Anchored Cans
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Anst Yorsen on 04/10/2007 00:23:47 Oh and by the way, that's loot for the last week or so, not one day, but keep trying, lying really gets you places.
chaoticmess	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:24:00 - [20] I would just like CCP to make the timer random so this guy will not be allowed to come back to his computer 30 seconds before the can refills activate his codebreaker and take the loot. If not please CCP put the same kind of reliable timer on Officer Spawns so that we may do the same :)

Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:24:00 - [21] Originally by: chaoticmess I would just like CCP to make the timer random so this guy will not be allowed to come back to his computer 30 seconds before the can refills activate his codebreaker and take the loot. If not please CCP put the same kind of reliable timer on Officer Spawns so that we may do the same :) So basically you're jealous of our setup and now you come here to whine.
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:24:00 - [22] That is quite amazing..
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:25:00 - [23] If anyone honestly believes we made 6 bill in a day here then come try for yourselves.
Mindseamstress	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Anst Yorsen Edited by: Anst Yorsen on 04/10/2007 00:23:47 Oh and by the way, that's loot for the last week or so, not one day, but keep trying, lying really gets you places. I can of course not be sure how many days it is, but given the respawn rate, I'd say it look slike 1 day. Maybe I'm wrong though. Farming gets you places too, doesn't it? Or maybe not since you seem to be stuck to those cans :)
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:28:00 - [25] Anything static in eve such as this will get farmed by players. They need to move the invention items to exploration. Some of those cosmos aren't easy but shouldn't be worth that much isk in a day or a week either (not in empire at least).
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Valator Uel While extreemly annoying unfortunatly there is nothing we can do unless there is proof that they are selling the isk for rl money. Untill then it's just one guy with 6 accounts. Don't get me wrong, I really hate people who do this as this is the only reason I never go to these sites. All these things should be moved to exploration, IMHO. A single day of exploration never comes close to 6.7Bil, nevermind in 0.5. It depends if you listen to his extreme exaggeration, actually wait no, his total and utter lies. He has simply scanned the cargo of 6 abaddons, added it all together and now states that is loot from a single day as fact. He simply assumes this and posts it here to make his thread look more extreme. You're welcome to come try for yourself, if you beat us to the cans or not, i'm sure you'll still see whatever spawns and from that you can calculate the value to be made here.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Anst Yorsen on 04/10/2007 00:32:06 Originally by: Devian 666 Well if they don't carry out those activities then the price of amarr invention will increase significantly. Is that what you would prefer? Farming isk is one thing but what are they using it for? So long as they don't ebay it for cash then that's fine. I'm the one responsible for the 20 amarr encryptions methods up for sale for only 80m each last week. Wow, did i ever get flamed by the resident farmers for that one. EDIT - I'm refering to people like the OP and his friends.
Srenim Orcam	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Anst Yorsen It depends if you listen to his extreme exaggeration, actually wait no, his total and utter lies. He has simply scanned the cargo of 6 abaddons, added it all together and now states that is loot from a single day as fact. He simply assumes this and posts it here to make his thread look more extreme. You're welcome to come try for yourself, if you beat us to the cans or not, i'm sure you'll still see whatever spawns and from that you can calculate the value to be made here. You're pathetic.
Mindseamstress	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Valator Uel While extreemly annoying unfortunatly there is nothing we can do unless there is proof that they are selling the isk for rl money. Untill then it's just one guy with 6 accounts. Don't get me wrong, I really hate people who do this as this is the only reason I never go to these sites. All these things should be moved to exploration, IMHO. A single day of exploration never comes close to 6.7Bil, nevermind in 0.5. It depends if you listen to his extreme exaggeration, actually wait no, his total and utter lies. He has simply scanned the cargo of 6 abaddons, added it all together and now states that is loot from a single day as fact. He simply assumes this and posts it here to make his thread look more extreme. You're welcome to come try for yourself, if you beat us to the cans or not, i'm sure you'll still see whatever spawns and from that you can calculate the value to be made here. The cans respawn every 20 minutes.. that's 3 respawns per hour, which means 36 items per ship in your 12-hour shift Enough said
Mindseamstress	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:39:00 - [30] Edited by: Mindseamstress on 04/10/2007 00:40:54



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