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Probeltis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.04 18:58:00 - [151] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Motokko I think the real problem here is not so much the money to effort ratio but simply that a resource intended for everyone is able to be solo camped by one person effectively blocking out every other player in the game with almost nothing they can do to try and take it off you. Around 40 hackable cans here, half of which can spawn books and decryptors, we only bother with 25% of the cans that actually decryptors and books, the 25% that has a chance to drop the best amarr decyptor. The other 75% we do not touch. I don't see how we're blocking anything, the only thing we are doing is forcing other farmers like the OP to have to compete with us if he wants the best amarr decryptor. In other words, you're totally blocking access to a resource that other players cannot access. It doesn't matter if there's more of them; it means you're holding down some of them, not allowing others to access that resource. It's different than hacking the cans and moving on, you're abusing the system. That's the problem, whether you see it, or whether you agree it is or not. Oh so it's like a corp/alliance blocking a system and guarding it and keeping anyone from accessing and being able to use its resources? By your above definition alliances like Goons, BoB, FREGE, etc... are all abusing the game and should be stopped by CCP. GET REAL!!! Good job on the farm. I give you credit. Wish I'd thought of it first. I work from home, and can spend alot of time online, so I totally understand. I'd be tempted to come help as a 7th pilot if they asked. ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.04 19:04:00 - [152] Originally by: Probeltis Oh so it's like a corp/alliance blocking a system and guarding it and keeping anyone from accessing and being able to use its resources? By your above definition alliances like Goons, BoB, FREGE, etc... are all abusing the game and should be stopped by CCP. GET REAL!!! If they were in player corps, or taking the risk associated with said control- that being that others could use the game mechanics to wrest that control by force- then you might have a point. They are in NPC corps, in hisec, making them essentially invulnerable. My point stands. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Motokko Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.04 19:04:00 - [153] Originally by: Probeltis Oh so it's like a corp/alliance blocking a system and guarding it and keeping anyone from accessing and being able to use its resources? By your above definition alliances like Goons, BoB, FREGE, etc... are all abusing the game and should be stopped by CCP. GET REAL!!! No its not like this at all. The game provides ways for you to be able to actively fight and compete over their resources. This is why there's wars going on all the time. Its players fighting over resources. The can situation however provides no opportunities for competition. Once its perm-blocked by a farmer there is nothing that can be done.
Tulakh	Posted - 2007.10.04 19:12:00 - [154] Edited by: Tulakh on 04/10/2007 19:14:02 Originally by: Anst Yorsen ... This one is just as an reply towards you and ill try to be as polite and honest about the facts here. - You and your at this point not confirmed friend(s) that may or may not excist control MANY characters (not my say anyway if they do or dont excist its just hard to proove because its all digital & internet and so on). - You buy more and more characters each day with the sole intention to farm each and all of the cosmos complexes and continue other things listed below. - You are also pressent in deltole (have been with those chars but there are new ones there now, their way of responding is pretty similar aswell as how they are organised), i dont know if your in minmatar cosmos or caldari ones i would expect it somehow though. - You have a group of characters for suicide, wardeccing, farming and who knows what else I must admit your very organised if your indeed organising this with several people, or very hard working if you manage it on your own. Personally at this level of "dedication" to eve i think you should take a step back and reconsider because it is really not healthy to spend so much time there (12 hours definately confirmed i observed it myself). Now to the points. Please just stop saying everyone is makeing facts up about you, admit to the truths and kill the lies with hard facts and im sure everything else will point itself out anyway. My questions (skip if they are to insulting although i doubt that but who knows) not just for the person im also speaking to but also to ccp aimed. - Why do you feel the need to farm on this level with so many characters, suicide other people and have a wardec group aswell. - CCP you removed some of the farming stuff (DED cimplexes) and replaced it with new mechanics with great potential (exploration, encounters) are you going to do the same to this (my vote is PRO / signed / YES incase you are wondering )? Personally i think if people start getting as organised about something like this that it either needs to be changed or in this case should be removed and pushed into exploration aswell (makes exploration even more valuable). The generic idea about cosmos is great but it got out of control here now, cosmos is still a great idea but the "big loot" has to go into NON predictable sources. I will add this note again to make it clear this is NOT intended as personal insult or attack id rather like to know a few truths then the many lies out there.
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.04 19:15:00 - [155] suicide gank those badboys, use domi's, its 0.5 so reaction will be slow, and the potential loot makes it worthwhile
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.04 19:56:00 - [156] Why are people talking about farming these cosmos cans when you could be farming this guy's Abbadons?!? I mean really! Get your buddies together in a bunch of plated up Domis with racial ECM incase he's remote reppin all 6 Abbas aswell, drone the most expensive abaddon and set dest for Jita with your loot scooping char! Profit! \o/ >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:06:00 - [157] bump him off with a nanophoon, then suicide him if hes got stuff that valueable :)
Shereza	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:18:00 - [158] Quote: Move it or stop whining about farmers. Your pick. Except I'm not whining about farmers. Quote: And i thought in this game the reward is based on risk etc. In my experience risk and reward very often have little to do with each other. Quote: or make the gurads harder so that a singel ship can't tank them permanently. Except it's likely that all 6 ships are splitting the aggro and might not be able to handle all the ships at once. Of course the last time I was visiting a COSMOS complex I lost a ferox in under 2 minutes (don't know how fast because I got 2 minutes of lag) due to 27 battleships. Next time I went there the place had been severely downgraded and my drake could tank it all non-stop. Quote: It's a shame such places are exploited but CCP should make things more exploit-proof, it's not the first issue that cosmos or complex sites are farmed with insane profit, please more balance in sources of income and less such exploit-inviting sites so that a few farmers get phat and wealthy without any efford or risk. I'd rather have new content and new forms of making money rather than CCP trying to play an on-going game of one-upsmanship with farmers. Quote: Rather the problem is that farmers are able to completely block this resource without others being able to compete for it which goes against the core of this game, ie competing for resources. I'm fairly sure that if you're willing to spend a few billion isk on it you could gank them while they're in the complex and keep going it until they go away. Or hell, for that matter what happens if you shoot the cans? Quote: The point is that some players want a chance to compete over the hacking cans and given the current situation they have non. They have no chance or they have no acceptable chance? There's a difference. Quote: Once its perm-blocked by a farmer there is nothing that can be done. Nothing at all or nothing that most people would find acceptable and/or cost-effective? I ask because I seriously doubt that there is absolutely nothing that can be done. Nothing acceptable yes, but not absolutely nothing.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:37:00 - [159] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Motokko I think the real problem here is not so much the money to effort ratio but simply that a resource intended for everyone is able to be solo camped by one person effectively blocking out every other player in the game with almost nothing they can do to try and take it off you. Around 40 hackable cans here, half of which can spawn books and decryptors, we only bother with 25% of the cans that actually decryptors and books, the 25% that has a chance to drop the best amarr decyptor. The other 75% we do not touch. I don't see how we're blocking anything, the only thing we are doing is forcing other farmers like the OP to have to compete with us if he wants the best amarr decryptor. In other words, you're totally blocking access to a resource that other players cannot access. It doesn't matter if there's more of them; it means you're holding down some of them, not allowing others to access that resource. It's different than hacking the cans and moving on, you're abusing the system. That's the problem, whether you see it, or whether you agree it is or not. All cans drop decryptors and books, we're blocking nothing, and we're also not preventing anyone from hacking the same cans we hack.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:40:00 - [160] Originally by: Motokko Originally by: Probeltis Oh so it's like a corp/alliance blocking a system and guarding it and keeping anyone from accessing and being able to use its resources? By your above definition alliances like Goons, BoB, FREGE, etc... are all abusing the game and should be stopped by CCP. GET REAL!!! No its not like this at all. The game provides ways for you to be able to actively fight and compete over their resources. This is why there's wars going on all the time. Its players fighting over resources. The can situation however provides no opportunities for competition. Once its perm-blocked by a farmer there is nothing that can be done. What is this perma block thing you speak of? A module? A skill or something?

Teani Gallente omen.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:43:00 - [161] only the macros with which you use to hack the can preventing non macroers from being able to hack Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit on the forums -Darth Patches
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:45:00 - [162] Originally by: Teani only the macros with which you use to hack the can preventing non macroers from being able to hack Yeah, macros, right, with all the petitions apparently made against us you would think ccp would take some action if we were macroing.
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:47:00 - [163] The only issue I can see here is the hiding in NPC corps. Why not set noob corp tax to 95% (or something) on 2 month + chars, and prevent the transfer of more than 100mil per week to or from all npc corp members. This would not only make this sort of thing less attractive but would open up a whole mass of carebears for war decs :-) While we are at it, we could make 2 month + chars who are in npc corps unable to lock/initiate combat with any player chars as well. npc corps are ok for noobs but skulking in them as a mechanism to avoid pvp, is bad mmkay. And there is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, but hiding in an npc corp to do it makes just retribution impossible. just say NO to npc corps!! Joram My Photography site
Jimer Lins Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:47:00 - [164] If you're sitting there camped for hours on end doing nothing but grabbing the items as they spawn, then yes- You're blocking access to the resource and abusing the game mechanics. The truth doesn't require you to agree with it. -- EVE Glossary Exploration Video
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:49:00 - [165] Originally by: Jimer Lins If you're sitting there camped for hours on end doing nothing but grabbing the items as they spawn, then yes- You're blocking access to the resource and abusing the game mechanics. The truth doesn't require you to agree with it. Ah, so other players couldn't possibly sit at the same can and try to pick it up before we do then? Because of this mystical blocking module thing.
Teani Gallente omen.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:51:00 - [166] TBH when the macro only runs for 1min every 20mins and looks very much like normal player movment its hard to prove beyond REASONABLE doubt by ccp their end that its macros esp when mission marcos and other more obvious macros arent banned Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit on the forums -Darth Patches
Gondor Pondor	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:54:00 - [167] so im doing these crappy missions for what? all i need is to sit by some can for half a day and make millions! i can go watch a movie or read a book and still make more isk then the grinding im doing now, if ccp dont see something wrong with this then im wasting my time playing eve.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:55:00 - [168] Originally by: Gondor Pondor so im doing these crappy missions for what? all i need is to sit by some can for half a day and make millions! i can go watch a movie or read a book and still make more isk then the grinding im doing now, if ccp dont see something wrong with this then im wasting my time playing eve. Why don't you do that then? Obviously it's as easy as pie, so you say, so go and make some isk whilst watching a movie and eating pie.
Gondor Pondor	Posted - 2007.10.04 20:59:00 - [169] Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Gondor Pondor so im doing these crappy missions for what? all i need is to sit by some can for half a day and make millions! i can go watch a movie or read a book and still make more isk then the grinding im doing now, if ccp dont see something wrong with this then im wasting my time playing eve. Why don't you do that then? Obviously it's as easy as pie, so you say, so go and make some isk whilst watching a movie and eating pie. Why dont we all do this then? Instead of complaining about it, lets all go to this poxy plex and wait by cans while Anst Yorsen and his 5 buddies tank the rats for us.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:01:00 - [170] Originally by: Gondor Pondor Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Gondor Pondor so im doing these crappy missions for what? all i need is to sit by some can for half a day and make millions! i can go watch a movie or read a book and still make more isk then the grinding im doing now, if ccp dont see something wrong with this then im wasting my time playing eve. Why don't you do that then? Obviously it's as easy as pie, so you say, so go and make some isk whilst watching a movie and eating pie. Why dont we all do this then? Instead of complaining about it, lets all go to this poxy plex and wait by cans while Anst Yorsen and his 5 buddies tank the rats for us. At last, someone who realises that we don't block anyone from anything.

OBeE1 Mission Running Manwhores	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:11:00 - [171] Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Gondor Pondor Originally by: Anst Yorsen Originally by: Gondor Pondor so im doing these crappy missions for what? all i need is to sit by some can for half a day and make millions! i can go watch a movie or read a book and still make more isk then the grinding im doing now, if ccp dont see something wrong with this then im wasting my time playing eve. Why don't you do that then? Obviously it's as easy as pie, so you say, so go and make some isk whilst watching a movie and eating pie. Why dont we all do this then? Instead of complaining about it, lets all go to this poxy plex and wait by cans while Anst Yorsen and his 5 buddies tank the rats for us. At last, someone who realises that we don't block anyone from anything. No your not, but who knew you could sit by a can all day and make millions. If only id known sooner and in high sec too! wow. KaCHING! no broken game mechanics here.
Shereza	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:16:00 - [172] Quote: Instead of complaining about it, lets all go to this poxy plex and wait by cans while Anst Yorsen and his 5 buddies tank the rats for us. I couldn't do a darn thing with'em seeing as none of my characters have hacking skills. Quote: No your not, but who knew you could sit by a can all day and make millions. If only id known sooner and in high sec too! wow. KaCHING! no broken game mechanics here. Sitting by a can all day and making millions. Sounds an awful lot like mining. __________________________________ So I just have one question for Anst Yorsen, presuming I didn't already miss the answer in a previous post. Why the NPC corporation? For exactly the (war-dec) reasons already given for how people could "deal" with your activities?
OBeE1 Mission Running Manwhores	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:20:00 - [173] yes it does sound like mining, what was i thinking.
Anst Yorsen Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:29:00 - [174] Edited by: Anst Yorsen on 04/10/2007 21:34:57 Except the npc spawn here is far deadlier than any belt npc spawn. People can't war declare us, that is correct, They can however attempt to suicide gank us, or a more realistic option is to simply do as we are and hack the cans and try to be the first to take it. This was reply to Shereza btw, didn't quote because originally the post was only one line but i edited it.
Sparkius Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:29:00 - [175] I'm going to side with Anst on this. He seems much more reasonable than more than half of people posting here. In fact, it sounds like the problem most people have is one of jealousy. Him and his buddies (or alts, doesn't really matter) found a way to make money and get stuff they need. This is no different than mining in 0.5 with a Hulk (or six). Who cares how this guy makes his money? If you can do it better, go for it. It's not like he can stop you, right? By the way, I fly an Abaddon. If you want to faction fit it for me I'll farm one of the cans and you can have everything that comes out of it. <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." - Anoymous
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.04 21:34:00 - [176] Only thing that seems questionable about these guy(s) activity is the effect it might be having on their real world lives if all they do is sit watching cans respawn all day every day. Dont want them there? chase them off. That the guy(s) are willing to bore themselves into an early grave to get an edge in the T2 Amarr bs market shows dedication, if misguided. But not that theyre "isk farmers" in the ebaying sense. & like the guy said. They found they had competition from other complex hoggers, & found a counter to it. Do the same rather than just resorting to another forum name & shame.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.10.04 22:08:00 - [177] Edited by: Leora Nomen on 04/10/2007 22:15:39 that was the original issue with complexes that they could be farmed too easily complexes got hit by a nerf bat because of this issue of farming - so how is this ok then in comparison? guide to game time codes
Illminatis	Posted - 2007.10.04 22:30:00 - [178] Originally by: HostageTaker Why are people talking about farming these cosmos cans when you could be farming this guy's Abbadons?!? I mean really! Get your buddies together in a bunch of plated up Domis with racial ECM incase he's remote reppin all 6 Abbas aswell, drone the most expensive abaddon and set dest for Jita with your loot scooping char! Profit! \o/ This guy has the right idea, and if the 'farmer' is dumb enough to keep all the **** in his cargo from a weeks' worth of work then more profit for you. Also, I'm pretty sure six Mackinaw pilots with max'd skills and implants can make more than this guy
Mindseamstress	Posted - 2007.10.04 23:16:00 - [179] What I am still curious about is why this guy is using the term "we"... He appears to log on and off at the exact same time on all characters. Would be surprising if it was more than one actual person behind the characters. Also, how does one time the split-second loot pickup from all cans using 6 ships simultaneously. Does one grow 12 arms? Maybe that's possible... and doing that same thing for entire days, weeks on end.. Would any normal person do this? Also.. the loot in the cargo represents the average split of stuff farmed over some time. We know that the number of items is 6 respawn every 20 minutes, i.e 72 items per can per day x 6 ships = 432 items. Don't tell me that that loot in the cargo comes from 1 week of farming :).. especially since the ships are there non-stop.
Noig Lamaroz Erasers inc.	Posted - 2007.10.04 23:43:00 - [180] Originally by: Anst Yorsen Between the 6 of us over 12-14 hours we'll get a little over a billion isk between us So, you "guys/gals" wake up, start eve - start mind numbing 'once every 20 min few click' routine and do it 12-14hrs and then hit the sack to do it again the next day.. Or are you implying account sharing? Quote: made this post because he wants cosmos changed to suit him, he this in local he wants the respawn timers randomized and under no circumstances wants this moved to exploration, How does that differ from you? Or would you be ok with it, if CCP would do exploration move, or lowsec move for that (and other current cosmos static hacking plex's) ? Quote: Just over a bill a day for 6 people in expensive faction fitted battleships at 12-14h a day isn't much when compared to every other way of making isk. The only difference is most other ways of making isk don't require billions spent on faction mods. Just over a bill a day gets you those faction fittings in few days, that's bit over a week to fit those 6 abaddons.. And then it's all risk free easily macroable (I still refuse to believe, you "guys" have clean conscience and no foul play) isk rolling in.. Compared to those other ways of making isk.. They actually require something from user, other than pressing play on macro program and doing whatever after that..



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