Oh yes, let's all go to null sec where we can fulfill our master's wishes. Let's take part in blob fests so I don't even know which module is active. Let's go out to null and get bored in super caps that we can't really leave without a holding alt, and spend billions on fitting.

On other thoughts, let's not.

http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/index.php/kill_related/84786/

You risked nothing of significance.

cant hotdrop into incursion areas

Risk? you must be anub clinging to the threads of Goons or suckling Darius III ****.

No one cares if you want to stay in empire and suckle the carebear teat. It's the inflation you cause with a ridiculous ISK faucet that we wish to plug. Easiest way? Remove incursions from hisec.

Also, I risk more undocking a cyno ship in null than you do in a 2B ship in a hisec incursion site. Let's not pretend it's any different.

Hey it is not his fault that a billion loss is less significant to him, than your scout ship is to you. Maybe you should work on your income sources?

Imo there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of incursions at all. If people want to complain , well whatever boohooo: thats the reason why CCP has developed so many options in the game for us to try out. Whether it be pvp, mining, running complexes, trying out wormholes, trading, and even scamming.. these are all things people can do if they have an issue with incursions all of which can pay more or close to what a fleet makes from running incursions all day.

I've been reading this thread for awhile now and it just looks like the 'shinny' fleet guys want to buff payouts from incursions so they're using their alts etc to keep posting so it looks lik ethey have more support. Me, i dont find incursions attractive enough to run them constantly so i can sit and cuddle me wallet.
What people need to understand is in highsec there are a few ways to make isk, these are all outweighed by the isk you can make in incursions, i mean running vanguards in a good shinny fleet can net you 2 or 3 times what you can earn doing any other activity. I also like the way some of you attempt to bring the old argument of 'some people dont want to go to low/nullsec' and the other attempts at bringing 'noobs' into the equasion.
Firstly, no new player has a chance to get into any good fleets, they may aswell run missions or do something else becuase by the time they get into a fleet they would have been sitting around for an hour or more and their fleet will consist of other poorly skilled characters. Secondly, if you dont want to go to any system below 0.5 dont, its that simple.
'Buff incursion' bears should feel ashamed at themselves for trying to push their own agendas forward so that they can keep making (more) isk than they already do, those of you who say daft things like 'i only get to play every now and then and incursions are my only form of income, if i dont have that i'd quit' i wish you would quit, eve would be a better place.
Stop posting ideas on how to make incursions 'pay' more, they're are stupid posts from what i can only assume are mentally challenged people.

incursions arent the source of inflation if you read the god dam stats....

the source is from stupid fucks ******* up the whole market with their bottomless pit of isk created by sitting on technetium moons or any other moon regarded as a high end.

fix that and leave incursions alone people still have to work together to make the isk/hour in the first place not like sitting on a mountain of gold which doesn't run out.

People bemoan the Goons and Darius, in fact even goons dislike Darius. But however obnoxious either may be in reality or people's minds, neither compare the loathsome obnoxious entitlement of the PvE Raid type player.

the source is from stupid fucks ******* up the whole market with their bottomless pit of isk created by sitting on technetium moons or any other moon regarded as a high end.

Personally I think incursions are great. They allow new and old players to make enough isk quickly so that they can pvp more often. Ratting for hours on end to PLEX an account just doesn't seem viable to me. And nerfing them doesn't make sense when there are cash cows like wormholes or the holy grail of moon mining.

Moving forward, I think one of the funnest parts of incursions is when I get to contest other fleets, yet I never get to know how much I win the contests by. It be interesting if a meter, or bar or something along those lines came up when another fleet entered the site. And the meter showed the amount of dps each fleet was putting out. That way each fleet knew how close they were to gaining the prize of trolling rights, and during the site pressure would run high when the meter started to turn away from ones own fleet.

Great work CCP on incursions. Really hope you don't nerf them as others would have you do.

Of course Assaults should be more rewarding (25% above vanguards) and so the Headquarters (50% above vanguards) to equate the long form-up time and the risk.

Headquarters: Now you can earn 280 m isk an hour in incursions.
Hands down, as a longtime incursion runner and capable of FC'ing HQs. This would do wonders for my wallets.
On the other hand I sincerely doubt the logic of this in a game design perspective.

Vangaurds are getting too crowded due to the ISK per hour payouts being soo high ergo forcing out the non-shiney fleets of newbies..

I highly doubt that even a perfect fleet under perfect conditions can do 190m/h in vanguards atm.

My bad mate. I read that as HQ = 2xVG rewards.
Yes, so you are basically talking about lowering the vanguard max payout to a bit over the payout of current normal fleets WITHOUT penalizing the normal fleets.
Basically: Lower the max payout, while preventing the average payout of going down. Overrule the proportionality between normal fleet payouts and high end fleet payouts.

That's gonna a tough nut to crack game wise.

And then otherwise scale this up to HQ's and assaults. Buffing them.
+1 I concur!

PS: 15 sites an hour is doable. Just not for any longer than 2 hours, realistically. You "just" need a good fleet in an empty _small_ system with a very lucky site generation. Like the time when nothing, but NCO's spawned for our fleet for an hour straight.

Oh well, I missed one important point that anyone already mentioned in this thread for sure:
Re-balance the Assault-Sites NCN. They take far longer than the other two, need a special fleet-setup and come up with more risk (disconnect of a basilik on cruiser-side for example). At least cut a pocket or so.