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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1177
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:I am hearing/seeing unsubbing sentiment all over the place. CCP's glacial reactions just turns snowballs into avalanches as they get bogged down by the next Inferno bug/fix. Probably because you only ever talk to other incursion care bears, who are mad at their ISK fountain getting toned down.
The rest of us are pretty happy right now.
*Also, this:
Alexandra Delarge wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:I am hearing/seeing unsubbing sentiment all over the place. Good news! Despite what you are witnessing and hearing Eve is close to breaking its all-time subscriber record.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1177
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:25:00 -
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Kiraisha wrote:Good Sir,
From the looks of things you seem to be saying that a proper gate camp has much risk, where I would then question your bias. A large portion of the forum community is nullsec circle jerkers who were jealous that hi sec was making isk. It is indeed the truth that Incursions were the LEAST contributing faucet, ratting being the highest, as stated by CCP Soundwave himself in an interview with tentron. Bounties are the highest, that doesn't mean ratting. That means bounties from:
- High, low and null sec mission running.
- High, low and null sec exploration.
- Low and null sec anomalies.
- High, low and null sec belt ratting.
These professions span an enormous demographic of Eve online's population, and yet incursions which were done only by a tiny percentage managed to generate a third of that total income.
Kiraisha wrote:I'd like to firmly and politely point out that you nullsec ***** are greedy donkeys who would amass a grade A rooster call to **** on everyone's morning if their mornings have been in any way pleasurable and/or productive like yours. The DEVs want people in LS and Null? Well, let me tell you (the community) that they (the DEVs) have just contradicted that goal. Most of us don't really care if you come to low sec or null sec or not, stay in high sec and make virtually no ISK for all I care, as long as you are making virtually no ISK.
This isn't some vindictive "play Eve my way" campaign, this is us understanding the concept of mudflation and you not understanding the concept of mudflation.
Kiraisha wrote:The current incursion changes closed doors to enjoyable profit to hi sec dwellers, in turn creating less chance for them to risk their ships for fun in LS as well as no capital and/or far less interest in Null due to the immaturity exacerbating from that specific area. Not to mention most people went inactive/less active. Oh look, another person who thinks PvE and PvP should be separated like some themepark MMO.
Protip: you are not entitled to effortless ISK and assets. You want to earn lots of stuff in little time? Work for it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
223
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:15:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:KrakizBad wrote:You still can, you're just getting an appropriate amount of isk for the risk you take. Enjoy. Not that I want to take their side or anything: But lowsec incursions were pretty high risk when pirates were around and they aren't worth doing at all anymore, not due to the payout changes: But to the changes to the incursions themselves/how they spawned etc. Pretty much once you have OTA poisoning it's ruined for the day, so by say: noon eastern time.
The lo/null sec Incursions beore the Incursion NERF were infrequently finished ( believe i or not the lo sec Incursions were completed more often then the NULL SEC ones ) CCP KILLED both of these communities dead & since CCP Affinity closed her thread in Missions & Complexes board not jack has been said about it. CSM7 summit the CSM's didn' bring it up at all & CCP did Goes to show how CSM's are in it or nobody except their respective alliances. At least Mittens brought up the Incursions in stating they couldn't be botted like L4's or other missions before he was thrown under the bus ( like it seems to me Incursions were thrown under the bus ) Unintended Bug Working as IntendedGäó |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:24:00 -
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If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
224
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:04:00 -
[755] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now.
lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets.
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Sill waiting for some stats of the payouts last month versus bounties & the rest of the ISK faucets CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |

Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:06:00 -
[756] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now. lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets. All that ISk came from other faucets though, so who should we blame for that?
Well, everybody in a T2 ship, that's who. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1197
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:40:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now. lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets. ================================= Sill waiting for some stats of the payouts last month versus bounties & the rest of the ISK faucets lol, like any incursion "community" would ever be organised enough to take or hold a tech moon.
(although seeing a fleet of machs and vindis get wiped by drakes would be priceless.)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
720
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:54:00 -
[758] - Quote
Kiraisha wrote:The current incursion changes closed doors to enjoyable profit to hi sec dwellers, in turn creating less chance for them to risk their ships for fun in LS as well as no capital and/or far less interest in Null due to the immaturity exacerbating from that specific area. Not to mention most people went inactive/less active. Good job null sec, enjoy the same partners you've had for circle jerking since the day you moved out there. Clearly you only needed to save a few more billion to move out to null and take risks. Clearly.
You're also good at reading, as you were able to divine my feelings about gatecamping risks from someone else's post. 
Stay in empire, we don't want you anyway. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |

sweetrock
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:02:00 -
[759] - Quote
What im finding really really funny is this whole elitest null illusion crap. Lets be frank, the only reason you are in a null alliance is because there is safety in numbers, much like zebra's. If your so awesome go do some solo pvp, and by solo pvp i mean not ganking hulks, not baiting missioners, not can flipping noobs... So whats left, oh wait I just cover'd 99% of the pvp on eve that isnt mass blob fests. Oh neutral RR is also faggetry so lets rule that out.
So basicaly, the only time people on this sespit of a game are willing to pvp and risk thier ships/isk is when they believe they have a large enough advantage to almost guarentee a win. All you nullzebra's bashing on highsec bears just take a second to look in the mirror.
P.S incursions way over nerfed CCP SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1198
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:46:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:What im finding really really funny is this whole elitest null illusion crap. Lets be frank, the only reason you are in a null alliance is because there is safety in numbers, much like zebra's. If your so awesome go do some solo pvp, and by solo pvp i mean not ganking hulks, not baiting missioners, not can flipping noobs... So whats left, oh wait I just cover'd 99% of the pvp on eve that isnt mass blob fests. Oh neutral RR is also faggetry so lets rule that out.
So basicaly, the only time people on this sespit of a game are willing to pvp and risk thier ships/isk is when they believe they have a large enough advantage to almost guarentee a win. All you nullzebra's bashing on highsec bears just take a second to look in the mirror.
P.S incursions way over nerfed CCP SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Good thing none of us engage in solo PvP, or that rant would look really silly.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
43
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:28:00 -
[761] - Quote
sweetrock wrote:What im finding really really funny is this whole elitest null illusion crap. Lets be frank, the only reason you are in a null alliance is because there is safety in numbers, much like zebra's. If your so awesome go do some solo pvp, and by solo pvp i mean not ganking hulks, not baiting missioners, not can flipping noobs... So whats left, oh wait I just cover'd 99% of the pvp on eve that isnt mass blob fests. Oh neutral RR is also faggetry so lets rule that out.
So basicaly, the only time people on this sespit of a game are willing to pvp and risk thier ships/isk is when they believe they have a large enough advantage to almost guarentee a win. All you nullzebra's bashing on highsec bears just take a second to look in the mirror.
P.S incursions way over nerfed CCP SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX That's a long winded way of saying ablooobloobloobloo |

Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.06.09 11:17:00 -
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Un Subbed 2 accounts yesterday , now that my main isn't incursioning he can handle everything alone. |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
553
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:28:00 -
[763] - Quote
sweetrock wrote:this sespit of a game
No body is forcing you to play. 
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:06:00 -
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In the holly name of a bad economical system and market manipulation lets nerf everything.
-make it moon materials deplete in 1 week timer and randomly spawn everywhere in new Eden, from high sec to WH-space
-all ore type scarcity, make them rare and spawn everywhere around new Eden randomly and with huge timers, there's far too much resources no one takes because only tech moons are interesting
-reduce sleepers loot of 50%, far too easy to make billions in wh's
-increase tech 2 ships mineral materials of 20%
-base POCOs tax 15% for everyone with no distinction
-reduce null sec and wh planetary production of 30%
-reduce null sec and low sec rats bounties of 20%, increase rats tank and dmg
-change null sec force projection: remove titan bridge ability, remove JB's, increase Black Ops bridge ability for 20% at 15% cost of fuel
-increase POS modules PG/CPU consumption
-Increase null sec industry slots, remove all materials and slots for boosters in null and wh and put them in low sec
-limit wh capital ships possibility, only C6 and no super capital or titan.
Now this would make a better Eve for everyone.
Edit: forgot the most important stuff
-Make market tax/fees proportional to isk amounts transaction, the higher isk transaction is the higher tax goes up to 75% of profits.
Take isk away from the game, there's far too much easily done with market operations, this needs a huge nerfhamer brb |

Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:10:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:In the holly name of a bad economical system and market manipulation lets nerf everything.
-make it moon materials deplete in 1 week timer and randomly spawn everywhere in new Eden, from high sec to WH-space
-all ore type scarcity, make them rare and spawn everywhere around new Eden randomly and with huge timers, there's far too much resources no one takes because only tech moons are interesting
-reduce sleepers loot of 50%, far too easy to make billions in wh's
-increase tech 2 ships mineral materials of 20%
-base POCOs tax 15% for everyone with no distinction
-reduce null sec and wh planetary production of 30%
-reduce null sec and low sec rats bounties of 20%, increase rats tank and dmg
-change null sec force projection: remove titan bridge ability, remove JB's, increase Black Ops bridge ability for 20% at 15% cost of fuel
-increase POS modules PG/CPU consumption
-Increase null sec industry slots, remove all materials and slots for boosters in null and wh and put them in low sec
-limit wh capital ships possibility, only C6 and no super capital or titan.
Now this would make a better Eve for everyone.
Ya lets nerf everything and make sure everything is "balanced" then we can change the name to Asteroids, and all be equal little comrades! |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1201
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:20:00 -
[766] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:In the holly name of a bad economical system and market manipulation lets nerf everything.
-make it moon materials deplete in 1 week timer and randomly spawn everywhere in new Eden, from high sec to WH-space
-all ore type scarcity, make them rare and spawn everywhere around new Eden randomly and with huge timers, there's far too much resources no one takes because only tech moons are interesting
-reduce sleepers loot of 50%, far too easy to make billions in wh's
-increase tech 2 ships mineral materials of 20%
-base POCOs tax 15% for everyone with no distinction
-reduce null sec and wh planetary production of 30%
-reduce null sec and low sec rats bounties of 20%, increase rats tank and dmg
-change null sec force projection: remove titan bridge ability, remove JB's, increase Black Ops bridge ability for 20% at 15% cost of fuel
-increase POS modules PG/CPU consumption
-Increase null sec industry slots, remove all materials and slots for boosters in null and wh and put them in low sec
-limit wh capital ships possibility, only C6 and no super capital or titan.
Now this would make a better Eve for everyone.
Edit: forgot the most important stuff
-Make market tax/fees proportional to isk amounts transaction, the higher isk transaction is the higher tax goes up to 75% of profits.
Take isk away from the game, there's far too much easily done with market operations, this needs a huge nerfhamer Sounds like someone got hit with the nerf bat, would you like me to ring the whaambulance?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:52:00 -
[767] - Quote
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:delete highsec
CCP HIRED Mittani
Expect this soon
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Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:05:00 -
[768] - Quote
Incursions would be more interesting and in line with the backstory, if the incursions systems became lowsec until the sanshas were driven away.
It would also be cool if the incursions spread to neighboring systems if left unattended. Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec.-á
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
192
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:05:00 -
[769] - Quote
EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:delete highsec CCP HIRED Mittani Expect this soon
Check the date. The article was dated April 1. |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
78
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Posted - 2012.06.10 10:05:00 -
[770] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:delete highsec CCP HIRED Mittani Expect this soon Check the date. The article was dated April 1.
Alot a folks would leave Eve. besides was a good april fools joke |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2012.06.10 11:14:00 -
[771] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Sounds like someone got hit with the nerf bat, would you like me to ring the whaambulance?
You did not understood 1/10 of the post but most of all the idea behind, doesn't matter, someday you'll be educated enough or intelligent enough to understand it 
brb |

Andy Landen
Exploring Eagles
35
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:16:00 -
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I find it odd how Concord can own any number of ships committing illegal aggression within a few seconds while in a high sec incursion, but the sansha ships are left untouched, despite the bounties on their heads. With how powerful Concord ships and forces are, it is a complete mystery how sansha could establish a high sec incursion. While it would make more sense if the incursion systems security dropped to low sec, it would not make sense how sansha could best Concord but die in droves to the very players who are easily owned within seconds by Concord. High sec incursions have done a lot for Eve and teaching the high sec players how to work together in pvp style fleets minus points and a few other critical elements. Their presence in the face of Concord simply makes me scratch my head and wonder, wth.
That said, if those systems were Concord jammed so that concord could not jump their forces in AND the systems were made into low sec systems temporarily, CCP may have to deal with carriers and dreads entering via whs or being built in systems which will later rejoin the ranks of high sec. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1206
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:12:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Sounds like someone got hit with the nerf bat, would you like me to ring the whaambulance? You did not understood 1/10 of the post nor most of all the idea behind, doesn't matter, someday you'll be educated enough or intelligent enough to understand it  No, it was just a particularly bad post, and I couldn't be bothered to write one of my normal posts explaining why.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
230
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Posted - 2012.06.11 06:24:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now. lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets. All that ISk came from other faucets though, so who should we blame for that? Well, everybody in a T2 ship, that's who.
Lets just see when CCP finally is forced to reveal the extent of the Dron/Incursion/Meta0 NERFs in the forms of real stats I guess. Maybe they can't really be forced but at some point the numbers will bubble up. Be interesting I imagine theISK faucet numbers are thesame & mineral/alloy numbers are 20-40% less. Take the typical summer deflation in account if there is still inflation then the real equivalent numbers are off the charts
http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1207
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:52:00 -
[775] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Disregard That wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you put half as much effort into adapting as you do into whining on the forums you'd probably be one of the richest players in Eve by now. lol Like any Incursion runner could hope to approach the Tech moon Alliance Director's wallets. All that ISk came from other faucets though, so who should we blame for that? Well, everybody in a T2 ship, that's who. Lets just see when CCP finally is forced to reveal the extent of the Dron/Incursion/Meta0 NERFs in the forms of real stats I guess. Maybe they can't really be forced but at some point the numbers will bubble up. Be interesting I imagine theISK faucet numbers are thesame & mineral/alloy numbers are 20-40% less. Take the typical summer deflation in account if there is still inflation then the real equivalent numbers are off the charts And in the meantime you're going to use the argument: "CCP HAVNT RELEESED STATZ, THERFUR STATS SUPORT MY ARGEWMENT"
We know Darth, you made this very clear 20 something pages ago.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:55:00 -
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sweetrock wrote:Seriously over nerfed. Reminds me of the mission nurf.
CCP ran over incursions, backed over them, then proceeded to get out of the vehicle and beat them with a hammer. 18 days left on subscription, and jsut to prove a point I have over 25bil isk over my accounts and I WONT be purchasing plex just on principle.
Fix the game, keep customers. Keep going down this route and it will certainly be a neiche game
Don't expect anything soon CCP Soundwave's last DEV blog pretty much confirmed all CCP is fixing is the Beta test of a UI which was forced onto all of Eve and the last seris of fixes for something that was not broken. The day CCP ixes don't suck is the day they start fixing Vaccum cleaners. ( LOL see what the FW 'fix' did to the Amarr? Looks like 8 day old Minmatar characters are making almost as much as Incursion runners were by speedtanking complexes for LP ) http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:14:00 -
[777] - Quote
double post http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:02:00 -
[778] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:delete highsec CCP HIRED Mittani Expect this soon Check the date. The article was dated April 1. Spoiling it. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Rukia Taika
Dueces Wyld Jokers Wild.
12
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:24:00 -
[779] - Quote
I know this has been said before somewhere in this thread as well as other threads. I think its something folks need to be reminded once again and i get the feeling i should keep it simple for for some of the folks here to understand
CCP comes out with Awesome new content that the PVE players will enjoy. We being the players take the following steps 1> Read up on what they are bringing out focus to play with. 2> Check the Holy Bible aka, Mission guides. read up on it there and look at some of the disinformation. (they making us think) 3> New Content Deployed many Bugs.err.. I mean features 4> Get a few pilots together to go try it out 5> get blown up 6> Work on tactics and strategy planning 7> Implement new tactics 8> repeat steps 4 to 7 as needed 9> got the tactics figured out time to refine 10> PVP pilots whine 11> CCP nerfs new content 12> Players go back to steps 4 to 9
The thing is its not broken. We are adapting to the changes faster then others and sharing the new fun info with others. Its time for you kids to get your big boy pants on, and move on.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
237
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Posted - 2012.06.12 19:17:00 -
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I'm sorry but the Incursion changes ( rollbacks ) announced in http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880 won't address the root of the problem: the new extremely unbalance Override Transfer Array (OTA) sites Until the OTA's are changed the Vanguards will stay as imbalanced as a elephant and an infant on a see saw. Here I think it was said best by another:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:the upcoming changes do not fix the main issue. -making a little bit less isk is not a game breaker -making the influence bar move a little bit slower is not a game breaker
OTA's are the game breaker. It's sad to see 4-6 OTA's just sitting there in a couple of systems because nobody wants to run them. Tweak OTA's so they are more inline with the other VG sites, leave the isk/influence bar where they are at now and I believe that will make most of the people happy
Although I disagree on one point with Lyron: I think that the Influence bar buff needs to be changed for the NULL/LO sec Incursions for those communities to come back because of the logisitcs issues they face http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |
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