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Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:36:00 - [1351] Originally by: Malachon Draco You can look at it from a 'legalistic' point of view I guess. Or you could have considered the position the GBC is in, with 'the barbarians at the gate' and decide that this was not the time to be a stickler for rules. The choice between internal conflict and increased external conflict is an easy one to make. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Sasha Evergreen Gallente Sand Castle Generals	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:37:00 - [1352] Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here? Yours, your ugly face.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:39:00 - [1353] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Malachon Draco You can look at it from a 'legalistic' point of view I guess. Or you could have considered the position the GBC is in, with 'the barbarians at the gate' and decide that this was not the time to be a stickler for rules. The choice between internal conflict and increased external conflict is an easy one to make. The phrase 'Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic' is going through my mind here. ------------------------------------------------
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:41:00 - [1354] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here? Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision. Show me the figures. Just read the whole thread. There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think. Granted some of them are biased, like Goons. Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:44:00 - [1355] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 19/10/2007 12:45:15 Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: Avon Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Avon Who exactly is trying to save face here? Pretty much just you, considering almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision. Show me the figures. Just read the whole thread. There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think. Granted some of them are biased, like Goons. Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too. I wonder how a vote on bailing on the north without consulting them would go as i see you seem to avoid those points and focus on your drama bomb. And i think as you say your confusing ppls dislike for BOB for support for you. Reply? yes? no? My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:44:00 - [1356] Originally by: Gungankllr Just read the whole thread. There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think. Granted some of them are biased, like Goons. Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too. Wait, CAOD is a good representation of the entire Eve community? Now that is funny. Seriously. It is, at best, a rather poor representation of but a minority of the Eve community; but honestly it probably isn't even as important as that. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Vladic Ka Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:44:00 - [1357] Originally by: Malachon Draco The phrase 'Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic' is going through my mind here. I lol'd.
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:45:00 - [1358] Edited by: Faith Black on 19/10/2007 12:47:21 Edited by: Faith Black on 19/10/2007 12:46:15 Originally by: marakor And perhaps the bailing on the new north without consulting coloured the BOB diplo's opinion. Truth is, the New North didn't owe anything to BoB and BoB didn't owe anything to us. We've been fighting each day over months for our space that we didn't get from BoB. If we owe someone something, then MC. They are really the only one, who could ask us to explain us, but think Seleene is a realist and not pointing the finger at us so easily. Afaik communication with the rest of the gbc was a bit laggy anyway since the beginning, a fact that we quite early accepted, which I interpreted as not being really needed or important enough. So basically we had our fights and BoB theirs, which brings me also back to the 1st point: BoB doesn't/didn't owe anything to us and we not to them. They can't complain to us for surrendering in the North.
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 - [1359] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Gungankllr Just read the whole thread. There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think. Granted some of them are biased, like Goons. Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too. Wait, CAOD is a good representation of the entire Eve community? Now that is funny. Seriously. It is, at best, a rather poor representation of but a minority of the Eve community; but honestly it probably isn't even as important as that. I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you. The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot. Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part. I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles. if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here...
Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 - [1360] While everyone is in a friendly mood. Can we at least agree to replace the term GBC with LBC in light of recent events? I think that's more accurate and descriptive.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:49:00 - [1361] Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 12:50:49 Originally by: Faith Black Originally by: marakor And perhaps the bailing on the new north without consulting coloured the BOB diplo's opinion. Truth is, the New North didn't owe anything to BoB and BoB didn't owe anything to us. We've been fighting each day over months for our space that we didn't get from BoB. If we owe someone something, then MC. They are really the only one, who could ask us to explain us, but think Seleene is a realist and not pointing the finger at us so easily. Afaik communication with the rest of the gbc was a bit laggy anyway since the beginning, a fact that we quite early accepted, which I interpreted as not being really needed or important enough. So basically we had our fights and their theirs, which brings me also back to the 1st point: BoB doesn't/didn't owe anything to us and we not to them. They can't complain to us for losing in the North. Your proly right but just cos it did'nt actualy effect BOB as a alliance does not mean they did'nt register the fact of the betrayal and consider that in there evaluation of MPIRE as an ally. Lets face it after that how much would anybody apart from sombody looking to benifit from the BOB drama bomb trust them. The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt.
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:52:00 - [1362] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean bailing on the north without consulting them Those of any sway in Fatal at the time, along with COW were contacted.. But what makes me laugh.. is this point coming from you? I seem to remember you leaving Fatal long before any of the real battles occured up north.. and a rather large stink over the matter.. -------------------------------
Two Beans GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:53:00 - [1363] All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore. I mean, it is a game. Games kinda are no longer fun when you have teammates that suck. There's a reason why the fat kid gets picked last for dodgeball. _____________ 2B Tao that is spoken is not Tao. - 老子道德經
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:55:00 - [1364] Originally by: Two Beans All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore. No, I think pretty much everyone realises that is the truth of the situation - just that one side isn't too keen on actually standing up and saying it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:58:00 - [1365] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 19/10/2007 13:00:44 Originally by: mamolian Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean bailing on the north without consulting them Those of any sway in Fatal at the time, along with COW were contacted.. But what makes me laugh.. is this point coming from you? I seem to remember you leaving Fatal long before any of the real battles occured up north.. and a rather large stink over the matter.. Realy from what i read on here you were fighting the good fight for months against overwhelming odds lol and your right i was there and left due to the carebear attitude to keeping the space we held. LOL no need to say how it turned out. And informing FATAL and COW after you surrendered and reset standing is hardly the same. Nice try on the spin but a massive fail. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:58:00 - [1366] Originally by: Gungankllr I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you. The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot. Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part. I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles. if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here... So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.19 12:59:00 - [1367] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Gungankllr I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you. The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot. Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part. I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles. if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here... So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue? Are you ********?
Papion Huff and Puff	Posted - 2007.10.19 13:01:00 - [1368] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Gungankllr I dunno, if you're worried about the noob corpers hanging out in Kisogo not having a voice here, then there's not much I can do for you. The people who post in this forum for the most part, are those that are living in 0.0 and having the epic back and forth battles and whatnot. Yes, there's a large portion of players that live in empire and you don't hear their voice, because this forum focuses on what is happening in 0.0 for the most part. I'm not saying the guys in empire don't matter, I'm just saying they don't have a whole lot to talk about in CAOD, because they don't take or lose space, and I don't see a lot of epic empire fleet battles. if you're wanting to count them as a cross section of the eve community feel free, but let's be realistic that there is a very good chance they are just spectators and have never had any real contact with BoB or Goons or whoever except for what they read here... So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue? or they might be correct. and yes they are correct in their decision why should they pay and you guys made it clear that you do not see them as equils and desired isk for standinsg and they saw it as a big insult and dcided they could not get past that so they decided it was not worth supporting you. and with such a long histpry of being on your side they felt the need to work againstt you now after the big insult
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.19 22:59:00 - [1369] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Two Beans All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore. No, I think pretty much everyone realises that is the truth of the situation - just that one side isn't too keen on actually standing up and saying it. BoB is rapidly losing the war and anyone who is keen on living in something other than npc 0.0 should reset their standings asap?
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.19 23:29:00 - [1370] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Gungankllr So you are, in a rather long winded manner, agreeing that: "almost the entire Eve community has come out in support of M. Pire's decision", is untrue? Ahh now I understand.. Your offering to buy the first round at the next BOB BBQ meetup? am i rite? -------------------------------
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.19 23:35:00 - [1371] We all want this thing to hit 50 pages, but the Avon and marakor show is not the way to achieve it.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.19 23:38:00 - [1372] Edited by: marakor on 19/10/2007 23:40:16 Originally by: Cringeley We all want this thing to hit 50 pages, and the truth and a point of view from sombody who is not total proGOON and anti-BOB is exactly the way to achieve it. heh fixed The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this is my forum smack alt.
Serret Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.20 00:56:00 - [1373] Originally by: Gungankllr Just read the whole thread. There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think. Granted some of them are biased, like Goons. Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too. Go back through the thread, disregard the our opponents in war (e.g., Goons) by default and also everyone here who got booted from or otherwise left BoB on poor terms, and all the rest who got their apps rejected. Now count the rest please. -- <Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.20 01:49:00 - [1374] Edited by: Orangir on 20/10/2007 01:51:34 Originally by: Serret Originally by: Gungankllr Just read the whole thread. There's a pretty good representation of the eve community here, I think. Granted some of them are biased, like Goons. Then again, most everybody in Eve doesn't like you guys, so I guess they are all biased too. Go back through the thread, disregard the our opponents in war (e.g., Goons) by default and also everyone here who got booted from or otherwise left BoB on poor terms, and all the rest who got their apps rejected. Now count the rest please. Also, please disregard anyone who at one point was red to BoB or allies of BoB or allies of the allies of BoB or pets of BoB or at any point in the past year have made a post in or out of CAOD that could be seen as a contradiction of the principles BoB stand for or a post that could be comprehended in some way to claim to understand the motives of either BoB or Red Alliance or Goonswarm or any other alliance in Eve that has a member count smaller than the previously listed alliance with the exception of alliances that base out of Syndicate and harbor ill will towards the residents of Syndicate who have left the area over 1 year and 3 months but under 2 years ago. I think you'll see who the community really supports when you do so.
Serret Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.20 03:36:00 - [1375] Edited by: Serret on 20/10/2007 03:37:03 Originally by: Orangir Also, please disregard anyone who at one point was red to BoB or allies of BoB or allies of the allies of BoB or pets of BoB or at any point in the past year have made a post in or out of CAOD that could be seen as a contradiction of the principles BoB stand for or a post that could be comprehended in some way to claim to understand the motives of either BoB or Red Alliance or Goonswarm or any other alliance in Eve that has a member count smaller than the previously listed alliance with the exception of alliances that base out of Syndicate and harbor ill will towards the residents of Syndicate who have left the area over 1 year and 3 months but under 2 years ago. I think you'll see who the community really supports when you do so. Are you saying that the Goon community primarily admits people who have fallen all the way down the slippery slope without ever having to know what one is? -- <Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death
Two Beans GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.20 04:24:00 - [1376] Originally by: Serret Are you saying that the Goon community primarily admits people who have fallen all the way down the slippery slope without ever having to know what one is? No, just the ones that gave Lowtax a ten-spot so they can make phallic jokes on an internet forum. _____________ 2B Tao that is spoken is not Tao. - 老子道德經
Taran Blake De Re Metallica	Posted - 2007.10.20 05:24:00 - [1377] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Avon Originally by: Two Beans All this blah blah traitors blah turncoats blah blah crap is nice and all, but have you ever bothered to play around with the idea that maybe, just maybe, M.Pire just decided that BoB sucks and didn't want to play on their side anymore. No, I think pretty much everyone realises that is the truth of the situation - just that one side isn't too keen on actually standing up and saying it. BoB is rapidly losing the war and anyone who is keen on living in something other than npc 0.0 should reset their standings asap? Pretty much looks that way to me.
WraithFire Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.20 06:37:00 - [1378] Edited by: WraithFire on 20/10/2007 06:36:57 Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Tholarim This was indeed the convo they got so upset about. And you are seriously reaching far if you think that remark implies they are a beginner from empire. Even you can't believe that it meant that in their minds. Every1 means all our allies; MC , FIX etc etc etc. Hmm, are you saying MC pays 6bn a month per constellation? Or FIX? That's EXACTLY what was saying in that convo, they don't pay rent and they don't npc there either. So basically, you guys [BoB] showed them the shaft. Wow, that is totally enriching despite the things they did for you guys. Interesting.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.20 06:49:00 - [1379] So I guess my real question is whats the difference between M. Pire switching sides, which is apparently a dishonorable mutiny against the noble and just band of brothers and, say, RMF or any of the other ASCN guys switching sides, which was an honorable path of blah blah blah blah blah
Vaarmoth Malinigvious Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.20 07:31:00 - [1380] m corp doing a runner, who'd have thought! Anyway, I dont even think they were allies of ours. When I jump cloned to bkg a few months back I couldnt use any station services and they were set to neutral. So, its hardly a loss. I like the announcment banner, long-time allies, lol!

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