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Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:47:00 - [301] I find it more than ironic that most of the support for the nerf are cowardly alts. Quite likely CCP alts tbfh.
xStarbuck	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:48:00 - [302] I really hope this doesn't go through... This change is just lazy without finding a real solution to the problem - Only increases lag in fleet fights and means you are going to see 100 shuttles flying around assigning fighters... when the lag lets them. Crap Idea.
Freelanc3r Caldari Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:54:00 - [303] Totally Moronic CCP. One of the most terrible ideas I have seen in a long time. Right along there with the NGE for SWG. Carriers die very quickly without a support fleet as it is, perhaps limiting the amount of remote reps that can go on carriers might be a way to go instead of this change. Fleet fights always have unbearable lag anyway, I cant imagine what awesome fun trying to find people in your fleet without fighters then assigning them then them assigning them onto the target is going to be. I would imagine it would probably only take a couple of hours. Well I suppose you can still haul stuff with carriers, although we have rorq's now... Perhaps for repping POS's then ? Im not entirely sure that was the intention of carriers. -----------------------------------
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.22 23:55:00 - [304] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:20:00 - [305] if i met zulupark in person i would punch him in the face, no joke. *You just got WTF EXIT ganked!*
ViperVenom Labteck Corporation LTD. Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:28:00 - [306] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Im on board. this is a bad bad bad idea. So how may skills kinda go out the window? a DCU Drone Control Unit is now worth less. Let me see here Drone interface Lv 5 Wasted 3 DCU on my Carrier wasted Thanks CCP. Every time they fools with carriers it fails look at Triage mod. And where can i get that Sig. Carrier 07? I want it!! Boo CCP!!!!
Xilimyth Derlin OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:29:00 - [307] Originally by: ViperVenom Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Im on board. this is a bad bad bad idea. So how may skills kinda go out the window? a DCU Drone Control Unit is now worth less. Let me see here Drone interface Lv 5 Wasted 3 DCU on my Carrier wasted Thanks CCP. Every time they fools with carriers it fails look at Triage mod. And where can i get that Sig. Carrier 07? I want it!! Just paste "http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1462/anticarriernerfsigdw5.jpg" into your signature line using the image tool on your forum settings ^^
Captain Bringdown Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:31:00 - [308] Id say.. make triage mode add +5 fighters in control of carrier/mom along with these changes, would make the triage mod actually beneficial :D
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:48:00 - [309] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Wow, your arguments are really really amazing. It is impossible to kill 50 carrier remote repping the crap out of each other, and bringing 250 people? Well doesnt seem it a bit odd that you need 5 times the manpower? What if somebody fields 150 carrier? Bring 750 BS? And 30 dreads? LOL yeah sure, to deal any damage they need to go to siege mode, what will happen? Carriers will just keep remote rep each other and blow the dreads up like popcorn.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 00:53:00 - [310] so after all the blogs of ccp wanting caps and super caps being used in front line combat were they are at risk you are going to make then a 1bil or 20 bil ship with defenses lover than a single battle ship. Quote: Hi, Iæm Zulupark ..... I still haven't received a nerfbat though THANK GOD no really if you worked in the UK id be giving you a P45 not a nerfbat

Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:18:00 - [311] Edited by: Icome4u on 23/10/2007 01:23:03 Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Wow, your arguments are really really amazing. It is impossible to kill 50 carrier remote repping the crap out of each other, and bringing 250 people? Well doesnt seem it a bit odd that you need 5 times the manpower? What if somebody fields 150 carrier? Bring 750 BS? And 30 dreads? LOL yeah sure, to deal any damage they need to go to siege mode, what will happen? Carriers will just keep remote rep each other and blow the dreads up like popcorn. Again Idiot. Has it EVER occurred to you that maybe you can't win them all??? Man if they bring 50 carriers, 100 BS, 5 MS, a ***** Titan and who knows what else that you are against people that don't kid around? Stay dock. You can't win them all and thats what you and the other noobs are whining about. Their's nothing wrong with 50 carrier blob. They spent a long time and a lot of isk to get that blob going. If you can't beat them then to bad for you. Last time i checked a 50 man BS blob can't get beaten by 50 cruisers. Nerf BS high slots because of it? No. I agree that blobs are lame but thats how you do things. You bring more people or better ships. If anything carriers help keep the blobs down since they are more powerful than one smaller ship usually. CCP is scared that everyone will be in carriers in 1 year... well everyone is in BC and BS now... so what? Bring out bigger and better ships to handle blobs of carriers then! Don't nerf the ship, thats just idiotic. They just want to take the easy way out and don't care about **ing almost everyone off by doing that. Bad business, Bad company. Edit: It honestly start to feel like CCP want all 03 players in MS, all 04 players in carriers, all 05 playeres in BS, all 06 in BC and the noobs in cruisers and smaller ships... Well guess what, people usualy train for ships they WANT to use because its FUN. CCP answer: Make carriers and MS not fun to fly so people don't want to train for them. What about the people already in them? They get screwed? Wow thats pure BS. It's not our fault we want to train for something... isn't that the point of the freaking game? Just bring out new capital ships or something to deal with the 'Capital-Online'... Or you can take the easy solution like always and just make each capital ships ten times more expensive. Now carriers are 10 bil, dreads are 20 bil and MS are 300 bil. Pretty stupid but so is CCP's current solution.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:23:00 - [312] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Wow, your arguments are really really amazing. It is impossible to kill 50 carrier remote repping the crap out of each other, and bringing 250 people? Well doesnt seem it a bit odd that you need 5 times the manpower? What if somebody fields 150 carrier? Bring 750 BS? And 30 dreads? LOL yeah sure, to deal any damage they need to go to siege mode, what will happen? Carriers will just keep remote rep each other and blow the dreads up like popcorn. Again Idiot. Has it EVER occurred to you that maybe you can't win them all??? Man if they bring 50 carriers, 100 BS, 5 MS, a ***** Titan and who knows what else that you are against people that don't kid around? Stay dock. You can't win them all and thats what you and the other noobs are whining about. Their's nothing wrong with 50 carrier blob. They spent a long time and a lot of isk to get that blob going. If you can't beat them then to bad for you. Last time i checked a 50 man BS blob can't get beaten by 50 cruisers. Nerf BS high slots because of it? No. I agree that blobs are lame but thats how you do things. You bring more people or better ships. If anything carriers help keep the blobs down since they are more powerful than one smaller ship usually. CCP is scared that everyone will be in carriers in 1 year... well everyone is in BC and BS now... so what? Bring out bigger and better ships to handle blobs of carriers then! Don't nerf the ship, thats just idiotic. They just want to take the easy way out and don't care about **ing almost everyone off by doing that. Bad business, Bad company. Man you are so clever... i guess you have been the coolest kid in school.. oh wait i guess you are still in second grade. I guess you lack the ability to imagine the results of carrier blobs, else you would agree that it would kill EVE in no time.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:25:00 - [313] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Man you are so clever... i guess you have been the coolest kid in school.. oh wait i guess you are still in second grade. I guess you lack the ability to imagine the results of carrier blobs, else you would agree that it would kill EVE in no time. Man you really do like to troll heh? Just like that Val 6 month old noob on the other thread. Your posts lack any information, any experience, just a noob whining that carriers are overpowered. Well they aren't. I'm done bothering with your idiotic replies that lack everything except stupidity. Oh and i'm in college not that its any of your business.
Ewan Heaven	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:28:00 - [314] we dont want this nerf, simple, no need to argue or propose ideas, we dont want it !!
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:39:00 - [315] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Man you are so clever... i guess you have been the coolest kid in school.. oh wait i guess you are still in second grade. I guess you lack the ability to imagine the results of carrier blobs, else you would agree that it would kill EVE in no time. Man you really do like to troll heh? Just like that Val 6 month old noob on the other thread. Your posts lack any information, any experience, just a noob whining that carriers are overpowered. Well they aren't. I'm done bothering with your idiotic replies that lack everything except stupidity. Oh and i'm in college not that its any of your business. You havent posted ANY kind of provable facts and putting out personal insults. If you can prove your point, lets see some calculations. But as far as i can see, you cant bring them up, first because they would prove you wrong, and second i dont believe you are capable of doing that in first place.
SiamFattiCosi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:40:00 - [316] Nerf them! Just because it would make all the bobbits in this thread cry.
Plague Rexus Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:45:00 - [317] To be honest guys all we can hope for now is that they listen to us, just encourage your corps, alliances, friends every player you know to voice their feelings by using this sig, now we just ahev to wait and see. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0710/Anti-Carrier-Nerf-Sig%5B2%5D.jpg Thx
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:46:00 - [318] Originally by: Plague Rexus To be honest guys all we can hope for now is that they listen to us, just encourage your corps, alliances, friends every player you know to voice their feelings by using this sig, now we just ahev to wait and see. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0710/Anti-Carrier-Nerf-Sig%5B2%5D.jpg Thx Why does it look like USA-propaganda?
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:04:00 - [319] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Man you are so clever... i guess you have been the coolest kid in school.. oh wait i guess you are still in second grade. I guess you lack the ability to imagine the results of carrier blobs, else you would agree that it would kill EVE in no time. Man you really do like to troll heh? Just like that Val 6 month old noob on the other thread. Your posts lack any information, any experience, just a noob whining that carriers are overpowered. Well they aren't. I'm done bothering with your idiotic replies that lack everything except stupidity. Oh and i'm in college not that its any of your business. You havent posted ANY kind of provable facts and putting out personal insults. If you can prove your point, lets see some calculations. But as far as i can see, you cant bring them up, first because they would prove you wrong, and second i dont believe you are capable of doing that in first place. I posted a lot more information than you have. Feel free to do the math yourself. Iv been flying carriers for a long time so i know what i'm talking about. Just as i'm sure you know a lot about the ship you specialize in.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:12:00 - [320] Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 23/10/2007 02:14:05 Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Man you are so clever... i guess you have been the coolest kid in school.. oh wait i guess you are still in second grade. I guess you lack the ability to imagine the results of carrier blobs, else you would agree that it would kill EVE in no time. Man you really do like to troll heh? Just like that Val 6 month old noob on the other thread. Your posts lack any information, any experience, just a noob whining that carriers are overpowered. Well they aren't. I'm done bothering with your idiotic replies that lack everything except stupidity. Oh and i'm in college not that its any of your business. You havent posted ANY kind of provable facts and putting out personal insults. If you can prove your point, lets see some calculations. But as far as i can see, you cant bring them up, first because they would prove you wrong, and second i dont believe you are capable of doing that in first place. I posted a lot more information than you have. Feel free to do the math yourself. Iv been flying carriers for a long time so i know what i'm talking about. Just as i'm sure you know a lot about the ship you specialize in. I cant see anything but blablablainsultblablabla. I made enough calculations already, and it gave me some amazing number on carrier turtletanking and dps. If you would have made your own, you could post something about it right here and prove that you arent just a little whiner who doesnt want his ship getting nerfed to a reasonable strength.

judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:31:00 - [321] Edited by: judes23 on 23/10/2007 02:31:53 ya like, sub carriers edit hey. my sigg supports the anti-nerf on the carrier and mom right? save them, save your future
Herring Pimpology Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:47:00 - [322] I don't fly a carrier. Thank God. This has to be one of the most illogical and lamest nerfs I've heard of for a long time. If my BS, or cruiser, or whatever gets BBQ'd by a carrier or MS, it's my fault for poor planning. If this is a lag issue, say it's a lag issue and work towards a solution like it's a lag issue. Don't feed us this BS. Damn. Please just state the real reason behind this proposed change. CCP - please stop with the nerfing and boost something already.
Shakura Fury	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:55:00 - [323] Who whacked this guy on da head? Is he crazy or sumpthing.. BAH! I can seriously say im puking my guts out. Carriers .. nerfing.. What about nerfing something else.. I could have known. First the dominix and typhoon loose their function as what they were created for with the first drone nerf. Coz thats what these ships were, now their primary function cant be due to a nerf. And now.. Carriers and Motherships have to undergo a simular nerf but not simular. I am really very disappointed. I think ill just sell my carrier before its price drops rapidly after this nerf. Not every carrier pilot flies in gangs with it, nerfing its use to just 5 controllable drones it totally unacceptable. We'll be ganked and whooped in 0.2 seconds instead of having the right to defend ourselves. I think this whole idea is a bunch of crock. I might even loose the last bit of interest I got in this game. I protest.. I am seriously against this nerf.. its not an improvement and u cant compare what u see from only a test server result or fleet op result with what endurance solo carrier pilots have to endure. Carriers and Motherships. well the name says it all. They carry stuff, and were made to be support with drones. Keep their honor intact, I bet im not the only one who thinks about this. And like said.. not every carrier pilot kills a battleship in 0.2 seconds, ive seen it the other way around.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 02:57:00 - [324] Just to give you a clue, 50 carrier can turtletank 150k dps. While they put out over 50k dps on their own. Thats the problem, if you can show a better solution than making carriers have to go to a non remote repairable siege mode for 10 minutes in order to deploy their fighters, here is the place to put it in.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:04:00 - [325] Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:05:39 Originally by: Benn Helmsman I'm quickfit player, i even fail at it because i don't see the cap it will cost too tank that 150k dps, nor the fact that its possible only in theory. Not meaning that we should be able to counter you 100bil worth of ships with just spamming t1 frigs and cruisers. I know i should stop posting, but my qfit skill > your playing experience. Fixed --- Battlecarriers - lets move carriers to the front line !
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:06:00 - [326] The older guys get shafted left n right. Sorry boys us people who play the game for more then 3 years need to lower ourself so the 3 month olds do not cry so much. Maby this game is going the same road of swg. We shall see. AXE is looking for members!! Clicky for info.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:10:00 - [327] sign my petition you anti-nerfers!!! The best petition in the world
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:11:00 - [328] You guys make it sound as if we're being limited to 5 fighters. We're not. Just assign them before the battle. Your full complement of fighters are still present on the battlefield, and little changes if you're using the ship in any gang where you have 2 - 3 other pilots for every Carrier or Mothership. 90% of the posts in here are completely irrational. At least attempt to support your panicked cries to defend massive carrier blobs with some semblance of logic.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:16:00 - [329] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:07:27 Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:05:39 Originally by: Benn Helmsman I'm quickfit player, i even fail at it because i don't see the cap it will cost too tank that 150k dps, nor the fact that its possible only in theory. Not meaning that we should be able to counter you 100bil worth of ships and 900m sp with just spamming t1 frigs and cruisers. I know i should stop posting, but my qfit skill > your playing experience. Fixed Changing quotes of other people is a violation of forum rules, delete or edit it plz before a mod has to do it.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:21:00 - [330] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:07:27 Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:05:39 Originally by: Benn Helmsman I'm quickfit player, i even fail at it because i don't see the cap it will cost too tank that 150k dps, nor the fact that its possible only in theory. Not meaning that we should be able to counter you 100bil worth of ships and 900m sp with just spamming t1 frigs and cruisers. I know i should stop posting, but my qfit skill > your playing experience. Fixed And when i lack arguments i will cry to moderators about non existing rule Fixed again --- Battlecarriers - lets move carriers to the front line !



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