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Shogol	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:15:00 - [91] I dont approve this nerf. Flying alone and having MS as mobile station only... quite waste of skill points and boring in the end.
Uncauzi Gallente No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:17:00 - [92] I thought the idea was to put Carriers on the frontline back in the day? Just buff Dreads to be able to wtf pwn Carriers imo. Give them more of a frontline use. Add different weapon modules if needed, some for PoS, some for anti-capships.
Dogfighter	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:25:00 - [93] Originally by: MOS DEF This is no nerf guys. You don't see the bigger picture. This is step one of many utterly stupid changes to drive the playerbase away to finally fix the lag. Maybe. Think about this problem: What will CCP do with old players when these players don't have absolutely anything else new to train or to do? And what can CCP do to give new players a chance to get close to the older players' power? One solution would be: reduce the number of old players, nerfing all their particular activities. They already payed EVE for a long time. And let the marketing department attract new players to replace that old ones. As forums posts don't stop to pop here, I think this situation will probably be handled carefully.
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:27:00 - [94] this is unbelieve. only able to control 5 fighters at once. WHAT THE HELL!!?? CCP needs to stop nerfing all the good ships, Carriers are supose to be able to launch tons of fighters...thats why they call them CARRIERS! and supercapitals, like motherships should be almost inkill able, why? there supercapital ships meant to withstand over 20 battleships at any given time. i made an alt, with my own money just to fly the carrier, im about 131 days away, and boom, this is going to be the 5th ship that CCP has nerfed before i got into it. thanks alot CCP for ruining this game even more for the people who have been playing it since the 1st years its came. i still cannot believe that just becuase a few people whine and cry about them losing 100million+ and their pod due to moms and carriers that CCP has to nerf them. Have you guys ever heard of a...scout? i mean, come on quit whining, get into a capital ship and you will understand WHY people are having a really big problem with CCP nerfing every single good thing about a carrier/mothership sorry for this rant, im just way to mad that CCP is nerfing another ship just because carebears are crying on the forums.
Oolm	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:28:00 - [95] I hope CCP will not do same mistake as StarWar Galaxy developers. They lost almost all playerbase after major nerf of that kind.
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:30:00 - [96] Edited by: Tunajuice on 21/10/2007 18:31:34 Thats fine, if I can only control 5 fighters at once, but give all fighters a 50% damage boost. As it stands, 5 fighters at even Thanatos level DPS is utterly pathetic. Here is a clue for devs... Most fleet combat still happens at 150km. Drones and fighters are useless at this range. Why go through 3 hours of assigning carrier fighters, only to have them useless in the fight? If a carrier wants to risk itself to jump on top of a enemy, they should be able to do very decent dps. A dread can do 2-3x carrier dps at another capital, if you make carriers useless at killing capitals, you may as well make dreads useless at killing anything other than POS shields. Also, a Moros now has more DPS than a carrier with ogre II, may want to look at that as well. Logistic module is a joke, soon fighters are a joke, and carriers aren't even the best 0.0 haulers anymore (hello t2 freighter). What role is carrier supposed to fill, and does it really fill it to the level of a 1+ billion isk ship?
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:32:00 - [97] Edited by: Shirei on 21/10/2007 18:36:11 If this comes in, Carriers/MS would really need to be given a new ability (not necessarily damage) to give them a purpose in front-line combat and allow them to defend themselves against (or at least get away from) small numbers of attackers. What that could be, I don't know, maybe this remote-ECM burst that was announced for MS in a dev blog a few months back or some kind of useful support function that is feasible in larger/laggy battles (e.g. some kind of AoE effect giving bonuses or repairing all gang members within a certain radius of the carrier/MS). Otherwise, they would have no real purpose apart from repairing POS shields and assigning fighters while sitting 0.001m from the POS shields - which in turn would make it fairly pointless to go for a MS instead of a carrier, since they can do the same thing at 1/20 the cost - invulnerability to EW/scrambling is a bit pointless if you are nearly invulnerable sitting at a POS anyway.
Fusedbrain Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:35:00 - [98] The more I think about this change in the game the more I dislike it. Gime me a break CCP. You are about to ruin a good game. Come on Star Trek Online. At least it will a good game till they too start nerfing the game. Tick Tock CCP
Night Tripper Es and Whizz	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:55:00 - [99] i can see where they are coming from to be honest. good luck getting that change made though :)
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:55:00 - [100] Originally by: Fusedbrain Edited by: Fusedbrain on 21/10/2007 18:44:19 Edited by: Fusedbrain on 21/10/2007 18:40:49 The more I think about this change in the game the more I dislike it. Gime me a break. You are about to ruin a good game. Come on Star Trek Online. At least it will a good game till they too start nerfing it. Your time is coming CCP HAHA you sound like these DAoC people who where bitter about game changes and screamed: We will go to WoW!

HoIIy Smoke	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:56:00 - [101] Right, for the last year or so ive worked towards a carrier....slaved towards it...sacrificed other shiny toys on the skill board tree to be able to fly one. Why? Because it is the next step up. It is the next bit of fun after a bship. Take that away and basically you will kill the game through utter frustration for most capital ship pilots. Thats how i see it anyway. Why the hell did i waste my time is what i am thinking right now. Anyone know when pirates of the burning sea comes out...maybe they will have more sensible balancing. (or at least put a little more thought into new content release and more testing to avoid these, shall we say, unpleasantries.)
Norjia Blacksteel Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:57:00 - [102] Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 15:44:23 FCK YOU CCP! FCK YOU! You fcking do this and i'm out. FCKING BLLSHT. Got that? Woa boy... calm down man. It's a game. ---- Norjia Blacksteel CEO Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:01:00 - [103] Originally by: Norjia Blacksteel Originally by: Icome4u Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 15:44:23 FCK YOU CCP! FCK YOU! You fcking do this and i'm out. FCKING BLLSHT. Got that? Woa boy... calm down man. It's a game. To you maybe!
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:03:00 - [104] Edited by: judes23 on 21/10/2007 19:03:18 ya, i remember that nerf fot starwars...thoasands of players just left,. and thats going to happen to EVE if they keep up the nerfbatting i mean, one of these days some1 is going to fly to CCP headquaters, and break in, and demand that they unnerf everything right there and now...and some of u ppl might think..nah, that would NEVER happen, but think again there are crazy people out there who do play vidoe games like eve and they might. i personaly wouldnt lol, i mean, im a gamerkiller, but a peoplekiller no
Mattadore	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:04:00 - [105] This has got to be one of the dumbest nerfs ever. Those ships are so goddamn expensive. They are a huge risk to use anywhere because you invest to much isk and time into them. And you want to nerf them. Totally ridiculous. Someone fire that CCP guy, he doesn't know ** all. And the limit on the amount of drones?? What if a ceptor or dictor tries to tackle you? You're only going to use 5 Warrior IIs to kill him?....this is just dumb, totally dumb, not completely thought through. Stop nerfing , you only nerf because newer people * so much about losing to way more experienced pilots with alot more isk. ** the new people. They want to play, they can carebear in empire till they catch up like I and the rest of the players did. Seriously, stop with the nerfs damnit.
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:09:00 - [106] Edited by: Aaron Mirrorsaver on 21/10/2007 19:11:33 I don't fly carriers, never seen them in much action. But as soon as I read that blog, my feelings echoed that of 95% of the people here. It is a terrible idea. Firstly a carrier doesn't do that much damage with nine deployed fighters anyway. I mean about 7-800 dps? Secondly, you stated you want carriers to be more then -keep-other-ships-alive-while-having-alittle-firepower-kind-of ship..... sorry dude but that role is already filled by logistics ships. So what we have here is a 1 billion costing logistic tech 1 ship aka the carrier. You want a keep alive ship? Field logistics. And oh a motherships bbqs battleships with 19 fighters quickly, well 20bn dollar ship against a 250 million ship kinda hurts. I think the problem is that CCP never expected there to be so many carrier pilots and cap ships on the field of battle, its clear because from the Patch notes for RMR(carriers with that expansion right?) they said, every alliance will be expected to field at least one on the battle field, yeah right, and they underestimated the richness of alliances in this game to replace said carriers at will etc etc. and have large capitals fleets. I was going to train for carriers myself, but they'll be expensive and useless and not worth the price for the ship + fitting after this nerf. no offense but I think you should go back to Q/A. Quote: Come on Star Trek Online Well that one might be DOA, dont expect to see it before 2010 the way its going... in development since 2004? Even stargate worlds started after sto and is almost done. R.E.C.O.N. is recruiting
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:11:00 - [107] Quote: Ill say again ccp ive played for three and a half years and ill quit instantly if you make this change. man, i so agree, ill quit 2, with about 100 other friends, with all of their alts added.. i think if they do nerf the carriers, every1 should just boycoat this game by just stop playing the game until CCP says, "oh.. this is bad, we justt lost 15k accounts... i wonder what we did...oh..the carriers.." and unnerfs them, and u know guys, this wont stop here. Why? all the carrier pilots will go to other ships, and master them. then those will get nerfed, until all whats left is tech1 frigates doing 10 DPS
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:12:00 - [108] Originally by: judes23 Quote: Ill say again ccp ive played for three and a half years and ill quit instantly if you make this change. man, i so agree, ill quit 2, with about 100 other friends, with all of their alts added.. i think if they do nerf the carriers, every1 should just boycoat this game by just stop playing the game until CCP says, "oh.. this is bad, we justt lost 15k accounts... i wonder what we did...oh..the carriers.." and unnerfs them, and u know guys, this wont stop here. Why? all the carrier pilots will go to other ships, and master them. then those will get nerfed, until all whats left is tech1 frigates doing 10 DPS I was first, i get your stuff!
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:13:00 - [109] this nerf comes compliments of low-sec gatecampers (ender) and roaming solo-pwnmobilers (john roe). capital ships were never meant to be used for anything other than fleet support and logistics, and this nerf works towards sewing up that loose end. for mom pilots that trained them up to use as solo pwnmobiles, you were living on borrowed time, like nano-phoon pilots and pre-nerf titan pilots. that said, this nerf goes a little too far towards the desired end and comes out the other side. i think that to compensate, mom/carrier pilots should at least be able to script fighter delegation before launching them, then run the script to launch and delegate their fighters all at once. as for nerfing the number of deployed drones, i don't see why that's necessary, but they should at least add the ability to delegate regular drones to gang members on the same grid to compensate. having 25 large repper drones really helps out with pos-repping.
Ecky X The Aforementioned	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:13:00 - [110] Blah blah blah. I just finished months of training and spend all of my isk on capital skillbooks... and I'm happy to see this nerf. I'm still buying my Nidhoggur - which is about to become the best carrier. Poor Gallente. Seriously, you can't compete with a solo carrier without a huge gang. I think this puts capitals where they belong. -----

Closer Still	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:13:00 - [111] Edited by: Closer Still on 21/10/2007 19:15:09 i was gnna train for a chimera, but ccp just saved me a few months of training.. thx...! the carrier's dps was never that great to begin with. 1000-1500 dps for a ship that costs that much? give me a break. why didnt they even call it a carrier? why not "Overpriced Healing Brick"?
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:15:00 - [112] ..no..you wont, why? i dont want you to get good stuff for free. i worked very very very hard on buying everything for my carrier. i jsut finished buying all my skillbooks, and fittigns for my carrier, i only need the drones, the carrier, and riggs. but now im thinking...should i sell all of this? i mean i baught 3 drone control links, which gives u 1 extra drones if u didnt know this already...what happens to those? is CCP just going to make it like the snowball laucnher???
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:16:00 - [113] I'm desperately trying to think of how close we are to April Fools day, but the only thing I can come up with is that someone in corp said that yesterday was some midwest valentine's day II? Maybe.... This is just a joke on Valentines day :) Hahaha. Seriously if this goes through you suck CCP. I love this the most, I really honestly can't think of anything to say to it. "But seriously, the reason we want to implement something like this is that we feel that capital ships are being used way too much as better-than-battleships-at-killing-stuff ships, when we in fact think that they should be used more as the-ships-that-keep-other-ships-alive-and-provide-them-with-additional-firepower ships." I mean take a step back, and think about this. You. Don't. Want. Carriers. To. Kill. BS. You. Want. Them. To. Assign. Fighters. I'd like you to take another step back and review your past dev blogs, where you nerfed the carriers to where they're always in the open with fighters out. Take one last step back and look at how you've already nerfed MS to hell. Keep doing this and they will just be a carrier with an above average tank. To the poor nubbin who said something like "this is a great idea" I doubt you've ever seen any capital action other than that on the forums. I hope you get a clue. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:19:00 - [114] oh and jordan, i bet all these people who are for this idea is just 1 or 2 ppl, with tons of alts justt posting the same thing in different words
Angor The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:20:00 - [115] /whine: If they go ahead with this nerf then I'm quitting this bllsit game and I dont even use a carrier that much. Sick of these dumb ass nerf's, as if the carrier isnt a sitting duck without support anyway, 2 sensor damps on the thing and its as good as a floating turd and motherships die almost once a week these days. But if they do seriously go ahead with an idea such as this, then they seriously better sort out fighters, make them harder, higher resists, more damage, cheaper to build, whatever it takes to counter this nerf because they are a pure expensive joke as they are right now. CCP seriously needs to reconsider what they expect from their capitals because it looks to me like they dont have a clue what role they want them to play in this game. And although completly off subject, real life carriers when under attack wont launch 5 fighters and say "sorry thats the limit we can launch". Ugh reading that pi55ed me off. /whine over _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:20:00 - [116] I support this. My alt owns & flies a carrier.
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:21:00 - [117] Edited by: judes23 on 21/10/2007 19:22:12 hey you know, i jsut thought of this. This nerf might just bring all of the ever players together, just like how the Colitlation was made to fight angist BoB... but instead of fighting players, its fighting CCP lol..werid oh and angor, well said. i was going to post that about the real life carriers, but u beat me to it >.<
Ecky X The Aforementioned	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:25:00 - [118] EVE would be better off without capitals in general. Nerf em to hell I say! -----
Plave Okice Gallente 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:28:00 - [119] Boost Dreads, improve their carrier killing skills, make carriers unable to deploy fighters (but still can use drones) in low sec. Still keeps carriers the same for 0.0, removes the carrier and mom pwnge in low sec (something really does need doing about this) and actually makes dreads useful as combat ships too. Win, win.
judes23 The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:31:00 - [120] Originally by: Plave Okice Boost Dreads, improve their carrier killing skills, make carriers unable to deploy fighters (but still can use drones) in low sec. Still keeps carriers the same for 0.0, removes the carrier and mom pwnge in low sec (something really does need doing about this) and actually makes dreads useful as combat ships too. Win, win. you know, i dont agree with the boost dreads and improve the carrier killing stuff, but i do agree with not beening able to deploy fighters in lowsec, thats a good idea..and hopefuly, that will stop all the crying



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