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Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:25:00 - [331] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:07:27 Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:05:39 Originally by: Benn Helmsman I'm quickfit player, i even fail at it because i don't see the cap it will cost too tank that 150k dps, nor the fact that its possible only in theory. Not meaning that we should be able to counter you 100bil worth of ships and 900m sp with just spamming t1 frigs and cruisers. I know i should stop posting, but my qfit skill > your playing experience. Fixed And when i lack arguments i will cry to moderators about non existing rule Fixed again Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account. You are posting somthing in my name i never said, that impersonating.
Kucs Macuvue Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:30:00 - [332] "Post constructivly" It seems you were expecting passionate replies. At least your not a total ******, as first indicated by your ideas. If this goes through, I'll try flying around in the setup I paid $80 in monthly fees to train. Countless hours of mind numbing boredom to afford. And if it gets killed by a 3 week old and his 15 month old buddy in rat fitted cruisers you and CCP can suck a fat one as far as I'm concerned.
Kir Laeda SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:32:00 - [333] OMG CCP overpowered!!! NERF CCP
Lazarus Telraven Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:34:00 - [334] Replying to all of your "cap blobs renders all other ships useless," CCP already fixed the cap blob, its called a System Cyno Jammer, forcing you to get a nice BS fleet and go attack their DeathStar POS before you can jump your cynos in, and honestly a support fleet can melt a carrier without any trouble Fighters + web = DEAD -Lazarus-
Galaxyes Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:36:00 - [335] i submit a new mod / balance.... nerf empire.... remove empire from the eve-verse, no more secure space... everything is 0.0 that should make it more interesting or at least make jita 0.0 so people can use their doomsdays there plz...
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:40:00 - [336] Originally by: Lazarus Telraven Replying to all of your "cap blobs renders all other ships useless," CCP already fixed the cap blob, its called a System Cyno Jammer, forcing you to get a nice BS fleet and go attack their DeathStar POS before you can jump your cynos in, and honestly a support fleet can melt a carrier without any trouble Fighters + web = DEAD What about lowsec? What about people who drop 2-3 Carriers in lowsec on just a Battlecruiser? (Trust me, these aint rare..) What if the victim/his corp isnt strong enough to do anything about it? How lame is that? Frickin Capital-Ships-Online... --- [WTS] Void L / Armageddon / Myrmidon / Antimatter XL / Mobile Large Warp Disruptor I
Addison Caine	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:43:00 - [337] Originally by: Lazarus Telraven Replying to all of your "cap blobs renders all other ships useless," CCP already fixed the cap blob, its called a System Cyno Jammer, forcing you to get a nice BS fleet and go attack their DeathStar POS before you can jump your cynos in, and honestly a support fleet can melt a carrier without any trouble Fighters + web = DEAD Yeah, a support fleet will melt a carrier fine. It's once you start blobbing the carriers together they get ridiculous. CCP never removed the cap blob, they just delayed its arrival.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:43:00 - [338] Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:46:25 Edited by: Valandril on 23/10/2007 03:45:36 Originally by: Niffetin Originally by: Lazarus Telraven Replying to all of your "cap blobs renders all other ships useless," CCP already fixed the cap blob, its called a System Cyno Jammer, forcing you to get a nice BS fleet and go attack their DeathStar POS before you can jump your cynos in, and honestly a support fleet can melt a carrier without any trouble Fighters + web = DEAD What about lowsec? What about people who drop 2-3 Carriers in lowsec on just a Battlecruiser? (Trust me, these aint rare..) What if the victim/his corp isnt strong enough to do anything about it? How lame is that? Frickin Capital-Ships-Online... What if we drop 3 battleships on your cruiser in lowsec ? What if the victim/his corp isn't stron enought to do anything about it? How lame is that ? Fricking I'm-stronger-i-will-kill-you-Online... Quote: Yeah, a support fleet will melt a carrier fine. It's once you start blobbing the carriers together they get ridiculous. CCP never removed the cap blob, they just delayed its arrival. To melt other caps, u will have to field caps too, or very big amoutn of dps (ie. with short range battleships, and for ONLY CAPS fleet, they will be easy to be used vs caps), or a lot of ewar, or bump them away of each other (which is not hard, remote repping got only 45k range), or just focus on killing they fighters and then finish carriers when they are defense less. God so many possibilities, but they share one thing, they require thinking. --- Battlecarriers - lets move carriers to the front line !
Benn Helmsman Caldari Dark Prophecy Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:48:00 - [339] Originally by: Valandril ... God so many possibilities, but they share one thing, they require thinking. Compared to blob carrier on single ships
Princess Dave Gallente Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:52:00 - [340] I want to adress the people who are under the ilusion that carriers are uber front line assult ships. so im gona brake it down. 5 fighters is = to a decen raven pilot. so 15 fighters u got 3 bs firepower (around). yes thats alot of firepower and yes it can take down almost any ship solo. Now to make u feel stupid. it takes 2 people to jamm a carrier. when a carrier cant target it cant do ANYTHING besides lauch regular dronz (they will all lock diffrent targets and shoot someone for pointless amounts of damage). so lets say u got the carrier jammed and scramed. instead of shooting the uber tank ship kill its fighters. after u killed 10 of them u basicly nutured it. and i can kill a fighter in 3 salvos of my Nighthawk (other char). carriers are far from overpowered. Now to adress motherships and titans. Yes these are a major problem in low sec since u cant scram them. that is the only problem with supercapitals. and that pilot flying that super cap spent 20bill+ on his ship. and the only thing a mom pilot can do is fly a mom. wont it be great to have a char devoded soly on motherships to have it nerfed. this nerf is stupid and pointless. i have 20 mill sp in carriers and ill leave with my 5 accounts if this is deployed. heard many others claiming the same. so devs its really down to simple economics. U neft carriers/moms u looz subscribers (like never before) u have a inelastic demand curve atm dont screw it up

Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:55:00 - [341] I don't really have anything more add about just how horrid this nerf is so I will move to another issue. CCP; you need to get this guy off of your Design team now. His first idea, his big debut, and this is what he comes up with? I hate to think of the damage he will do to the game if he stays.
Jullian Brenan	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:58:00 - [342] lol nerfing carriers is bullcrap. yes they jump 3 carreirs in on ya in low sec. but u knwo what ive seen 3 caps jump in and get killed by a 14 man gang. yes all 3 carries killed. got it on fraps 2. good pvp. what u rly need to nerf is nano ships. they offer alot more of a porblem. at least u can do damage to a carrier. (when a bs can fly circles around a nighthawk and take relitivly no damage, not THAT is bullcrap. carriers shuld be keeped the same. no ship should rely on others to field its firepower.
Delvainar GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:59:00 - [343] I agree with (what I think is) the sentiment behind this nerf, but this is a pretty un-user friendly way to go about it. I miss the days when fleets would actually engage each other, but so far (in my time playing) that's only happened for the brief time between when titans were nerfed (ending the days when fleets wouldn't fight because one would just get DD'd) and when people realized that fighter swarms were the next best thing. And I don't see how anyone could really call this some "goon whine," we have just as big of a cap fleet as bob these days. And what happens? Well, we almost got a fleet fight in (former) Rise space awhile back, but what happened instead was BoB jumped into GHZ, and we hung out in P8 and neither of us were willing to fight each other. I think it's solely because of fighters. Titans at least offer the opportunity to come back and try to kill it. And that's no fun, even when we are winning :( Frankly, this suggested change just makes things difficult without really fixing anything in the end. Perhaps you guys (devs) should try keeping your two goals separate. Find one way to make carriers and motherships better support tools, and find a way to make them less pwnmobiles. A pretty cool idea off the top of my head for the former would be the ability to actually dock other players in a carrier/mothership and jump them around. For the latter, well, fighter nerf ideas are a dime a dozen.
Death's Crusader	Posted - 2007.10.23 04:01:00 - [344] Quote: I don't really have anything more add about just how horrid this nerf is so I will move to another issue. CCP; you need to get this guy off of your Design team now. His first idea, his big debut, and this is what he comes up with? I hate to think of the damage he will do to the game if he stays. /agree. know alot of people that will leave eve for another game if this happends. since i invested in cap bpos id be pritty ****ed 2. whos gona want to buy thantos bpc after this. sigh. ur screwing up more then just pvp
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 04:22:00 - [345] EVERYONE SIGN THIS PETITION TO STOP THIS NERF!!!
Ewan Heaven	Posted - 2007.10.23 04:37:00 - [346] Originally by: Death's Crusader Quote: I don't really have anything more add about just how horrid this nerf is so I will move to another issue. CCP; you need to get this guy off of your Design team now. His first idea, his big debut, and this is what he comes up with? I hate to think of the damage he will do to the game if he stays. /agree. know alot of people that will leave eve for another game if this happends. since i invested in cap bpos id be pritty **ed 2. whos gona want to buy thantos bpc after this. sigh. ur screwing up more then just pvp /signed SAVE carrier and Moms**
Coolgamer Minmatar Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.23 04:43:00 - [347] Originally by: Ewan Heaven Originally by: Death's Crusader Quote: I don't really have anything more add about just how horrid this nerf is so I will move to another issue. CCP; you need to get this guy off of your Design team now. His first idea, his big debut, and this is what he comes up with? I hate to think of the damage he will do to the game if he stays. /agree. know alot of people that will leave eve for another game if this happends. since i invested in cap bpos id be pritty **ed 2. whos gona want to buy thantos bpc after this. sigh. ur screwing up more then just pvp /signed /and re-signed! SAVE carrier and Moms**
Durgan Kael Gallente Disillusioned Perfection Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 04:51:00 - [348] Edited by: Durgan Kael on 23/10/2007 04:52:27 I don't fly a carrier, but this has got to be one of the STUPIDEST things i've heard of... 1bil+ ships should be able to kill 100mil isk ships... Carriers already aren't solo pwn mobiles, and neither are MS's (they normally have to have atleast 1 person to cyno them in/tackle). PLS! don't do this... Forgot to mention... Carriers using large amounts of rep drones also can help people tank... So don't nerf the normal drones on carriers either.
Mighty Baz HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 05:35:00 - [349] CCP, stop it ______________________________________________
zaqq	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:21:00 - [350] shove this idea up yer... you know how long it takes to get to be in this position skillwise ? you know how hard it is being a small corp trying to get a foothold in 0.0 ? the price of the damn fighters leave the damn game alone, go find summin else to nerf

SaveCarrierAnd Moms	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:25:00 - [351] Remember to sign the petition, More SIGS needed !! check out there : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 --- Say NO! Nerf Petition
holymoly84	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:28:00 - [352] I don't see what the point is. When I think of carrier it deploys more drones that any other ship, as it should be, as the point of a carrier is to carry something. This is dumb. I'll probably quit the game if they do this. I feel rather annoyed that I spent close to 2b on my carrier + skills and close to 7 or so months worth of training and work to get enough money to fly a domi. I can't stand for an organization that will that makes poor judgment calls that will fundamentally change the game. gg!
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:34:00 - [353] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Benn Helmsman Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 22/10/2007 23:30:40 It is pretty funny everyone is whining about that a gang can take a solo carrier appart. THAT IS NOT THE POINT! The point is, there is no way to take a 50+ carrier fleet apart. It is just impossible thx to remote repping and the technical limitation of how many ships you can field. I say, carriers can keep their fighters all for themself, if they would have to enter a "siege" mode like dreads to deploy them. So they cant get remote repped while deploying fighters. That would solve the blobbing pretty much. Add: and the stupid damp issue Idiot. 50 man BS fleet is just as 'hardcore' as a 50 man carrier fleet. Heck its cheaper so for the price of it just bring 250 man BS fleet. BTW to kill that ghost 50 man carrier fleet bring 30 Dreads. Ever tried to tank 30 dreads in seige mode? It's impossible. You noobs are just whining because you are scared that the big guys will show up to fight you and you don't have the skill/isk/numbers to fight back. WELL GUESS WHAT! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Can't cut it out? MOVE OUT OF THE WAY. Wow, your arguments are really really amazing. It is impossible to kill 50 carrier remote repping the crap out of each other, and bringing 250 people? Well doesnt seem it a bit odd that you need 5 times the manpower? What if somebody fields 150 carrier? Bring 750 BS? And 30 dreads? LOL yeah sure, to deal any damage they need to go to siege mode, what will happen? Carriers will just keep remote rep each other and blow the dreads up like popcorn. Oh, u NOOB, thats the game. u cant kill a BS in a frig, so is a BS overpowered? no, u bring 10 frigs and kill the BS. The same is by carriers. if u cant kill them alone u bring more peoples. Or u heard already about EW? Damp them, JAM them and they cant remote rep....... loosers like u make this game to wow slowly
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:42:00 - [354] Buff Carriers, nerf Warlock !!!1!!!111!!!!
TheExecuter STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.23 07:54:00 - [355] Edited by: TheExecuter on 23/10/2007 07:56:06 erm u r bored ? u want to do something ? " oh, lets nerf carriers" " nerf moms also? " " yeah, why not , we r the gods of the game " ... one word to CCP : STUIPED idea
Central Scrutinizer RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:19:00 - [356] Worst idea ever. If anything, assigning fighters should be removed completely to prevent no-risk shuttlebombing. This change is even less properly thought out than all the other crap you've been changing lately. And that's pretty ******* bad.
k1Lz FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:38:00 - [357] Edited by: k1Lz on 23/10/2007 08:41:57 I really hope that this carrier NERF it was just and idea, because if you really are going to too do this pls I want my 1Bil ISK back and all the time I spend in training carrier and his secondary skills convert in something else logistic ships, covert doesnÆt matter. With all do respect CCP we are your customers and no matter how good your intentions are, if the levels of frustration create by your ôchangesö is too high we can leave very easy. I pay this game to have fun and feel good, if now you tell me that all the time I spent and invest in your game in the last 8 months it was for a BIG expensive logistic ship sorry I donÆt like it, no matter how good you guys telling me it is. I understand new players I really do, I play this game from 110000 SP when other players destroy me in 2sec with BSs kitted full tech II and I was in a ***** black bird and I never scream ôCCP nerf BSö. Zulupark: ôà.Remember that this is still just an idea and we want your feedback on this, so please, post constructively and you just might make a difference in the (EVE) universe.ö Starting from this I invite any dev to jump in a carrier and try to see how easy is to tank 5 fighters in a BS with decent tank. Carriers and motherships have never been ôdirect nber deathbringerö in the most heavy fleet fights carriers and momys have depended on support for tackling, yes you get with your BS in my web, scrambler range you are dead but this is normal the same thing is happening in BS vs cruiser, cruiser vs frigs etc. I really want to see how and why CCP get the conclusion that carriers and MS are overpower or not function like they intend to, personally I want one dev to step up and say starting from this INFO we reach this conclusion, because this kind of ôwe devs think is wrong, we change itö is totally bull** at least in this case
Djagoan Caldari Silver Star Federation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:46:00 - [358] DONT FIX IT, WHEN ITS NOT BROKEN, and what everyone else here said is true.. no need to nerf the cap ships.. we have been training for these skills forever.. and than u will take that away from us hell no.. /signed
MegaLotto	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:51:00 - [359] /sighn dum idea i mean come on
Nobloodx	Posted - 2007.10.23 09:01:00 - [360] "I really want to see how and why CCP get the conclusion that carriers and MS are overpower or not function like they intend to, personally I want one dev to step up and say starting from this INFO we reach this conclusion, because this kind of ôwe devs think is wrong, we change itö is totally bull**** at least in this case" by k1Lz FinFleet Band of Brothers He may be bob, but when ur right, ur right carriers are ment to have lots of tiny ships that go and attack stuff. and wtf do u do when get jumped on a station. attack a bs with 5 fighters. ROFL. any half awake bs pilot can tank 5 fighters. its a joke. u turned something that was pirfect into a wast of isk. not to mention years of training and under devotion for a single ship.



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