W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space?

So what are you gonna do when the Miners ask you to champion changes that raise the price of minerals so that they can get more income, but the Industrialists want cheaper minerals so they can make better ISK and both of them want you to stop those god damb Traders exploiting their products?

Not even close, mate.

Not even freakin' close, beyond the w-system's nominal security rating of -1.00:

Which means that bubbles and bombs can be used there, and that you can PvP and/or podkill with no security-status hit, and there are no sentry/station guns. That's where the similarities to k-space zerosec end.

So "w-space is the same as [k-space] zerosec" in the sense that the basic (mainly tactical/PvP-oriented) mechanics based off of that security rating are the same, but that's pretty much it.

In w-space (condensed list):

1) Cynos cannot be lit
2) Sovereignty cannot be held. No stations present or possible, you live out of a POS (and I've heard of some who've done so out of a cloaky Orca and some judiciously-anchored GSCs in a safe-spot)
3) No moon-mining
4) No normal asteroid-belts, any rocks to mine must be probed down (and the best POS-refining modules carry huge waste compared to station-refineries; On the order of 25%, IIRC), and the amounts of ore you get are miniscule compared to known-space, as the grav sites usually don't re-spawn for at least a few days, usually much longer. No Ice-belts either, so those critical products must also be brought in from k-space.
5) Supercapitals cannot enter (IIRC) due to mass-limits on wormholes, nor can they be built in a wormhole (you need sov. to anchor an SCAA)
6) The only realistic way to have a fleet of standard capitals is to build them in your hole due to mass-limits, and it's likely that that is where they will stay until they get urp-sploded
7) No local chat
8) Your ways in and out on any given day change, and you've no idea where your "out-gate" goes until you go through it--logistics/re-supply/selling loot and salvage (Sleepers give no bounties, it's all in loot and especially salvage) is much more challenging/risky

W-Life is about as different from sov-null as it can get, and in many ways, its' exact antithesis, with mechanics--mainly mass-limits on the wormhole deciding how much can enter at any given time--biased towards small-scale PvP, and high-end PvE with real risks of PvP at all times. In other words, the "end-game" for many of us in small corps/alliances that want nothing to do with sov-zerosec.

That's why it belongs on Issler's list:

Being a "holie" is the last bastion of the independent small corp./Alliance that wants to remain so, whilst still making a good living, whilst yet still holding most closely to EVE's core ethos of "more rewards = more risks to get/keep them."

(Despite the hathos-inducing bleating of the sov-null sheep, this is not the case in a lot sov-null, and hasn't been for quite some while. Oh, have I mentioned that it's essentially impossible to bot in wormhole-space, too?)

Would you consider joining the Voice of Reason party as out WH candidate? You get it!

Issler

Why, thank you :)

I had flirted with the idea of standing, but politicking is not for me, I think (read: I don't suffer fools gladly, and I'm sure you'll agree, there are a great many fools out there.)...

In any case, there already is a wormhole candidate--Two Step--who seems to be running again for the right reasons, and who has, imho, demonstrated his integrity during CSM6. Maybe ask him?

E: Sort. Your bloody. Forums, CCP!

... So being dragged into a Faction War is much more accommodating than being part of Player Sovereignty Wars for casual players. There's a cost though as the NPCs in half of Highsec won't protect you, they'll shot at you.. nevermind the opposing Factions players. If you want to be independent of the NPC factions then you should be in a player corp and be fully subject to Wardecs as they were pre P alliance wardec nerf.

Eve is about conflict, the idea of risk and rewards, the idea that better skills and real time actions while in Eve improve outcomes.

The Voice of Reason Party wants CCP to make that true for EVERY aspect of Eve.

but rather as a counterweight to the dominating 0.0 alliances. There have been candidates in the past who ran on similar propositions. The main problem seems to be, getting 2000+ votes to counter candidates from 0.0 alliances who are more likely to get that many votes.

Yes. All of you should do your best to run in the coming elections. I wish you all the best as you campaign your best to gain the votes of {non-dominating 0.0 alliances}. Your numbers of candidates swell by the day, surely this will lead to a landslide success!

[quote=Issler Dainze]

You have one of my favourite character portraits. nice job

I have a few question for Issler -

How many candidates is the VOR party hoping to place on the ballot?

What is your strategy to thwart the "vote splitting problem" (where placing multiple candidates might simply ensure none of them make it into the top 7) ?

What representative areas is the VOR party trying to field candidates for?

Which area do YOU represent as a VOR candidate?

- Thank you for your time.

The current idea is possibly three candidates with specific focus. There is a great proposal in this thread as to how we might make that split.

I'd be likely to be WiS, Mining and small corps.

If we can get the three "strongest" candidates of the independent candidates onboard and we get more of the folks that ignored the CSM voting last time as backlash from the CSM I hope we can collect enough votes among the three to get some of us in the top 7.

It is still technically before the whole mess starts so a lot of details are "tbd". Any suggestions are very welcome!

Issler

You think the entirety of Hi-sec is niche, Mittens?

the 'vor party' is, but you're welcome to try to put words in my mouth lil anime-name alt

blocs predict a needed 2000 votes to get a single candidate on and thus aren't vote-splitting, if you try to run 3 candidates on a niche hisec ticket all you'll accomplish is diluting the voting pool for folks like trebor and meissa

I must be doing something right if I rated a visit from the king of Eve!

I'm not worthy, but still willing to make this effort!

Issler

hisec does have a bloc candidate, that'll be kelduum, which will severely disrupt the attempt to organize non-aligned hisec votes among issler, t'amber, trebor and any other serious hisec person who throws their hat into the ring

the interests of goonswarm and eve uni are almost identical (newbies, newbies, newbies) so i'm looking forward to working with kelduum on NPE issues

anyway if you want to make this VOR thing go anywhere you'll need to have one candidate instead of three

Hi-Sec deserves more than one candidate, really. It's a major part of the game.
W-Space deserves at least one candidate, and low-sec NEEDS one.

The only way The Mittani will not get CSM Chair is if we have very few hisec/carebear candidates, and an order of magnitude more players actually vote. More players voting for fewer candidates means more votes per candidate.