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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
552
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:36:00 -
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The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
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Goonswarm Recruitment
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:43:00 -
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I hereby declare myself to be the voice of reason party. |
Deltor Griffith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:43:00 -
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I declare myself part of the voice of reason party (VOR) |
Einde
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:44:00 -
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I declare myself a voice of reason. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:44:00 -
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I am a carebear and I support this message. |
Laranzu Talshiar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:44:00 -
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Running the Voice of Treason party here. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:45:00 -
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I am a carebear and I support this message. |
Lana Nastee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:46:00 -
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I am part of the 1% and I am a voice of reason! |
That One Guy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:48:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Please down throw lowsec into your list when talking about uniting carebears.
Seriously, fly into lowsec (assuming carebears are brave enough to fly into lowsec) and ask the people there how enthused they are about some of the other things on your list, like Walking in Stations.
It looks like you just threw together a list of people you know exist in eve with no concept of how to accurately represent their interests. You might as well have thrown "People who fly space ships" in that list because, "Oh wow I fly a space ship! Better vote for that guy, he is looking out for me." |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:03:00 -
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Looks like da goons approve (and/or want to subvert and kill as quickly as possible).
Color me interested (in a non-goon capacity). |
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
26
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:32:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Heya Issler. I've seen you flying in space on more than a few occasions and recognize you by name.
In your OP you are saying you intend to represent these groups in that list.
My questions:
How do you intend to represent these groups? What specific issues are these groups of people complaining about and what are you ideas to fix and present them to CCP? What are some of the current CSM issues that were covered in the CSM minutes that you agree or disagree with? Of those issues that you disagree with, why do you disagree and do you have an idea on what to do differently?
These may be some hard questions to answer, but answering them will steer you away from the "marketing propoganda" and into the area of "I understand Eve and its issues".
Fly safe o/ When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
157
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:04:00 -
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My question is...
WHY U NO LIKE WORMHOLES!?!
What the hell!
:P
Poopie head!
(JK dude - needed to throw a fit somewhere tonight!)
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
252
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:19:00 -
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lol too late Issler, I hear Chribba, a guy who's show little if any interest in the CSM and what comes with it, is being championed by carebears as their champion
so I think it's safe to say that the evil nullsec people's days are numbered |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:15:00 -
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rabblerabblerabble |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2666
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:07:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
So what are you gonna do when the Miners ask you to champion changes that raise the price of minerals so that they can get more income, but the Industrialists want cheaper minerals so they can make better ISK and both of them want you to stop those god damb Traders exploiting their products?
Which constituency will you throw under the bus? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tore Vest
159
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:15:00 -
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Im a carebear... and are going to do the same as 90% of eve... not vote...
Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
535
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Posted - 2012.01.26 10:27:00 -
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Goonswarm Recruitment wrote:Goonswarm Federation, the one true Photobucket alliance hereby declares its support for the VOR. I also hereby declare my intention to make sure everything on Photobucket is VORPORN, (Voice of Reason Party Organizationally Recognized Newbees)
Thats why no one should take GSF serius |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:09:00 -
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So essentially you represent everybody who is not a nullbear?
That is rather... wide. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
348
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:48:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Im a carebear... and are going to do the same as 90% of eve... not vote... ...and then whine for the rest of the year about not being represented by the people you didn't vote for. |
Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.26 14:00:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius
agreed!! |
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Einde
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:41:00 -
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Osabojo wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius
agreed!!
Do not take us serius. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
557
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:11:00 -
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So some additional clarification.
Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.
Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.
Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.
Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.
Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.
Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?
Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.
Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.
Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.
Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.
Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.
And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.
So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they stream in space!
Issler |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2667
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:25:00 -
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Einde wrote:Osabojo wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius
agreed!! Do not take us serius.
seriuscat for CSM? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:25:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Thats why no one should take GSF serius Even we don't. But tears, now that is serious business.
Issler Dainze wrote:We can be their voice when they stream in space! Which streaming service do they use? I really want to see what they're up to.
Note: Though I might be too busy MINING IN NULL to go and gank them, doubtless some people will. Please link to internet steams of internet space miners. |
Goonswarm Recruitment
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:27:00 -
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Can I get a response to my plan regarding vorporn? Do you think vorporn on photobucket is helpful or would there be a better place for vorporn? |
Deltor Griffith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:36:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So some additional clarification.
Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.
Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.
Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.
Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.
Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.
Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?
Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.
Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.
Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.
Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.
Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.
And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.
So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they stream in space!
Issler
I'll run for CSM7 as a VOR representative. I've been playing this game off and on since release and have experienced everything from high-sec mining to null sec combat. I believe I can bring changes that keep the bears at heart. Like my post if you support me, and ask me any questions.
Deltor
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
557
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Posted - 2012.01.26 21:01:00 -
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We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy".
Issler |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:02:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy". Wait I thought over here in GF/CFC were being oppressed by the evil Mittens who controls us mercilessly and makes us mine and totally doesn't give newbies free ships and fleet warriors millions out in reimbursements and makes us endlessly camp gates and I ran out of things. What else is supposed to happen here?
Anyway we're supposed to be being oppressed. As members of a massive swarm, we are indeed very small. Bees are small, but you must never bump the
EDIT: Oh right, we mine AND camp gates. That's just how hard we are worked here in the wild wild west of nullsec. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
259
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:09:00 -
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As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.
Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.
WiS: Ban NPC Corps
Nicolo 2012 CSM VOR High Council Ban NPC Corps |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:21:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:... Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, ....
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable,....
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable,....
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable......
WiS: Ban NPC Corps I support this message whole heartedly. Please do not flip flop on this important issue that will decide the future of EVE as we know it.
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