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CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:47:00 - [31] Currently the Focused scripts nullify the negative side effects of the Heavy Interdictors, which does indeed allow you to speed tank the Broadsword. However, as with everything on Sisi, it may change.

MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:49:00 - [32] Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 15:51:15 Originally by: CCP Atropos Currently the Focused scripts nullify the negative side effects of the Heavy Interdictors, which does indeed allow you to speed tank the Broadsword. However, as with everything on Sisi, it may change. As i said before........ Polycarbs scream for a fix since ages but you are to busy screwing up the game to see it. Soon we will only see nano gangs or blobs. And nanoblobs. It is harder then ever to get a fight in this game.
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:12:00 - [33] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 15:46:39 Originally by: CCP Atropos If it helps, I'm getting clarification on the matter from the Game Design team. It would help. I would test it if i coudl use the ship myself. I therefor had to rely on the info of a pilot that can use it. If the HIC cannot do 3k+ there is no issue. Reports from sisi say they can though. If that is true that is quite game breaking. I wouldn't be surprised after waht you guys pulled off lately. You must excuse me but your latest changes to the game were radical and the trust of the community in the DEVS is lower then ever. Edit: At the poster above: There is nothign easy in catching a vagabond or huginn. It is possible by using rapiers and that's pretty much it. If you use your brains you are very hard to catch. Also i would not compare a 10 mill ceptro tackling a battleship with a 100 mill HIC tacklign a 40 billion mothership or 100+ bill titan. Don't go there. Isk shpould not make you invulnerable. But there should be SOME reason to fly this ships. Right now i cannot see one anymore. Broadsword will still be slower than a Vagabond so he is easier to catch, if you use a mid-long (hence the Zealot in my example) range ships then you can track them even if they are moving 3km+ (remember about almost fixed orbit that has to inside 25km range from MS). Rapier is also a good solution but we have new webbing frigs that will gladly help him slow down. You are trying to 'save' MS by using a wrong argument here, nanoships are overpowered but now we have more tools to combat them then ever. ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
murrue PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:28:00 - [34] faction/officer heavy neutra? The HIC must be in range of them for tackle a MS. So solo tacklage isn't possible?
Dr Aryandi Bloodstone Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:34:00 - [35] The focused script and the ability to warp scramble super caps and the overly-stabbed is great...however I do think that if it also removes the penalties of the module then it is way too strong. There needs to be some drawback to using it or people will just set up a remote repping tank and/or a speed fit and it will be impossible to break free of the tackle. With the penalties applying at least people will need multiple heavy interdictors or some very good (player) skilled pilots flying them. Blueprint Research Service Available See thread for details.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Cythrawl Does this work on ships that have warp core stab/multiple stabs fitted? A test yesterday found that it scrambled a ship with three stabs. They didn't test higher warp core strengths, but it does seem likely it's effectively unlimited scramble. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:50:00 - [37] Edited by: Khan Soriano on 07/11/2007 16:51:36 Originally by: Dr Aryandi The focused script and the ability to warp scramble super caps and the overly-stabbed is great...however I do think that if it also removes the penalties of the module then it is way too strong. There needs to be some drawback to using it or people will just set up a remote repping tank and/or a speed fit and it will be impossible to break free of the tackle. With the penalties applying at least people will need multiple heavy interdictors or some very good (player) skilled pilots flying them. I think you're exaggerating a bit, there is rather harsh penalty for using this scrambler with script: You CANT warp out yourself. Sure you can choose if you want to run and its only 6 seconds before you will stop scrambling yourself but still if things go wrong and your opponent doesn't tackle then you are doing it for him. I'm also not sure it can catch stabbed things (description says 1 point strenght), what I see in this module is a high slot version of a normal warp disruptor but only usable on 4 ships from the whole game, but in exchange with the ability to scramble anything if they choose to do so. Edit: Ok so they are a bit too good at this scrambling thing, given that catching 3 stabbed ships is possible with one scrambler now ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:54:00 - [38] Who would be stupid enough to fly a MS in low sec w/o a support fleet to protect it from one solo speed fit Broadsword? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:55:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Atropos Currently the Focused scripts nullify the negative side effects of the Heavy Interdictors, which does indeed allow you to speed tank the Broadsword. However, as with everything on Sisi, it may change. Replace the -100% with +100% and it all becomes nicely balanced. While a single HIC would be a sitting duck due to no remote assistance, with a bit of co-ordination and teamwork, you could cycle between multiple HICs, remote repping each one in turn as you take the target down. Much more elegant solution imo.
Natalie Jax Indecision Industries	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:05:00 - [40] In order for this change to be effective at all the HIC would need the ability to lock down the MoM in lowsec space. To do so it needs the ability to survive the DPS that a MoM is still capable of in lowsec, namely the Heavy Drones it can dump into space. So it either needs to be able to tank the damage of those Heavy Drones, or outrun them. Otherwise the MoM just waits for the inevitable lock and kills the HIC. And we're back to invulnerability. Just something to keep in mind.
Fenderson Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:16:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Atropos Currently the Focused scripts nullify the negative side effects of the Heavy Interdictors, which does indeed allow you to speed tank the Broadsword. However, as with everything on Sisi, it may change. What about remote reps? can heavy dictors be remore repped with the focus script in use? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh dear, how about we all calm down a bit instead?
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:30:00 - [42] A Broadsword dedicated to tanking (something like 17k shields with resists in the 80's for a T2 fit) plus a Scimitar will be able to hold down a mom quite nicely I think. Scimitar can just stand off at 60 or so km and warp out as needed if the mom's heavies get to him, then as the heavies trundle back to the Broadsword, the scimitar comes back and resumes repping. Sounds doable to me but it's definately not a guaranteed sustained tackle especially if the mom has a support gang like it should. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:42:00 - [43] how about we unnerf my destroyer interdictors, and just remove polycarbs from eve... this way everyones happy . or, nerf the HIC's for all i care, just dont make the interdictors rubbish with the speed nerf... seeing as a t1 thorax can outrun them _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Andreya how about we unnerf my destroyer interdictors, and just remove polycarbs from eve... this way everyones happy . or, nerf the HIC's for all i care, just dont make the interdictors rubbish with the speed nerf... seeing as a t1 thorax can outrun them There isn't really a speed problem with them as-is, they shouldn't be nerfed at all. Interdictors need to be able to catch people to tackle them, especially with the proliferation of speed fits these days. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Fenderson Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:45:00 - [45] i feel its worth mentioning that any supercap that gets caught with its pants down and scrambled by a solo HIC with no support to deal with a minor threat like that deserves to die. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh dear, how about we all calm down a bit instead?
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:46:00 - [46] Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 17:46:52 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix A Broadsword dedicated to tanking (something like 17k shields with resists in the 80's for a T2 fit) plus a Scimitar will be able to hold down a mom quite nicely I think. Scimitar can just stand off at 60 or so km and warp out as needed if the mom's heavies get to him, then as the heavies trundle back to the Broadsword, the scimitar comes back and resumes repping. Sounds doable to me but it's definately not a guaranteed sustained tackle especially if the mom has a support gang like it should. That's where is see the issue. Jump in 2 dreads and the mom is dead. The problem is that a mothership has the same tank as a carrier. A tad better with deadspace items but you can put that on a carrier too so that's no real argument. I know they were a pain in lowsec and i see the need to fix that. The current fix made them 30+ billion isk carriers with no real role though. Where's the point in them now? Edit: Fenderson: You are ofc right there.
Knuck Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Fenderson i feel its worth mentioning that any supercap that gets caught with its pants down and scrambled by a solo HIC with no support to deal with a minor threat like that deserves to die. word. I didn't really see an answer in the thread to whether or not remote repping the HIC is possible with the field gen active and the focused script loaded, and I can't test till the weekend (damn you graviton physics) - has anyone tested this on sisi yet? Signature removed as the text contains language other than English. Please note that all signatures need to conform to forum rules and be in English only - Valorem
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:53:00 - [48] Originally by: MOS DEF But there should be SOME reason to fly this ships. Right now i cannot see one anymore. think outside solo or small gang ganking they are very usefull in fleets and to large alliances
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Mr Broker Originally by: MOS DEF But there should be SOME reason to fly this ships. Right now i cannot see one anymore. think outside solo or small gang ganking they are very usefull in fleets and to large alliances Actually right now in large fleets they are very vulnerable so really there is not a huge use.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Mr Broker Originally by: MOS DEF But there should be SOME reason to fly this ships. Right now i cannot see one anymore. think outside solo or small gang ganking they are very usefull in fleets and to large alliances That's just blabla without a single argument. In a large blob the mom has no huge advantage over a normal carrier either. It's the other way round actually. If there is 20+ carriers on the field the lil more DPS the mom does is almost unnoticale. For remote repping it would be stupid - any carrier can do it just as well.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:09:00 - [51] This is all great news, especially for shield tanking gangs and those tired of lo-sec MS However there is one problem. /me walks over and hammers the last nail in the Blockade Runners coffin.
Tessikhet	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf This is all great news, especially for shield tanking gangs and those tired of lo-sec MS However there is one problem. /me walks over and hammers the last nail in the Blockade Runners coffin. Blockade runners are still a great choice for semi-afk autopiloting courier missions in highsec. They have the fastest speed to the gate of any industrial.
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:07:00 - [53] Edited by: Orar Ironfist on 07/11/2007 20:08:14 Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf This is all great news, especially for shield tanking gangs and those tired of lo-sec MS However there is one problem. /me walks over and hammers the last nail in the Blockade Runners coffin. You do realize that makes no sense yes? If your speaking low-sec then that doesnt matter good nav skills+blockade runner+ a t2 i-stab or two and you align faster then anyone besides a double sensor-boosting bs could lock(and with the built in wcs you still get away) And if your talkin about 0.0 throw an mwd on it and you can get back to the gate and jump/warp fatser then the dictor/ gang with anchored bubble could kill you. Every ship in this game is designed for a purpose,(this is not really directed at you but at the people whining about the hic)Just because your too blinded by your own argument and cant see said purpose doesnt make the devs wrong and untrustworthy. EDIT: ignore my bad sp3llin -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=- Winning or Losing doesn't matter, as long as the fight itself was good.
Lachesis Moirae Anqara Expeditions	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:13:00 - [54] Unless the script makes it so the hactor can be remote repped, it doesn't nullify all the downsides of the bubble, and as such is fine.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Lachesis Moirae Unless the script makes it so the hactor can be remote repped, it doesn't nullify all the downsides of the bubble, and as such is fine. From my info i got it can orbit at insane speed without any downsides and can be repped by a scimitar as well.
Forino Ovoli Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:31:00 - [56] First, I agree with many (most?) that motherships should not be nearly invulnerable in low-sec. However, my larger concern with what I've read in this thread thus far is how these heavy interdictors may be used by pirate gate-camp gangs. If the HIC scrambles regardless of the presence of stabs, this will the potential to very quickly choke off low-sec transit. We have already seen in this thread that it overpowers a ship with three stabs. Is there a limit?
Poena Loveless	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Barthezz if not then what exactly is the point of a super capital again? well it sure as hell isn't for camping low sec gates...
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:44:00 - [58] Edited by: Orar Ironfist on 07/11/2007 20:47:13 Im sorry if this sounds like flaming cause i really dont want it to be but lets envision the scimitar HIC scenario you just painted(low sec style): MOM pilot: OOO broadsword seems to have tackled me and there seems to be a scimitar remote repping him.....mmmmm two easy kills time. Support engage the HIC while i deal with this scimitar..... HIC: Hehehehe this is gonna be so easy alls i gotta do is hold down this mom till my mini cap fleet lands right on top of him and we go home with a fat mom kill.....ohh support is engaging....Lol a rapier hes gonna get so popped if he does any....crap im dual webbed and painted and the mom is repping him so he wont die.....No matter my tank can hold with my supp....crap he popped 20 t2 sentries.....my support is warpin off......oh crap almighty he just sicked 20 t2 heavies on me and now support is engagin EEe****k!!!! crap im going down annddd.......Got my pod out wewt! LOGISTICS PILOT: You wha..?? But im already coming back in!!! crap well i can just warp out atleast...nvm sentries again and im going down too.....damn... Creativity + support + well formed mom pilot= wont have to worry bout setups like that -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=-** Winning or Losing doesn't matter, as long as the fight itself was good.
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:12:00 - [59] does it matter if a solo broadsword can tackle a solo mothership? no. why? because you're not supposed to be able to do ANYTHING with a solo mothership. the rich boys think that 20 billion isk should buy them an IWIN button, but tough ****. you're not supposed to do anything with a solo capital, period. capitals are designed to survive by gang support and gang support alone. what's that? you're just moving it along a cyno highway with your one b-bird alt? what are you doing outside a dead-end system or without alt scouts in all adjacent systems? hell, even if the broadsword does manage to tackle your mom, you still have a lag time in which their support has to travel to that system, and your support should sure as hell be a lot closer than theirs. i'm not a carrier/mom pilot (yet. i'll start training in a few months), but i've gotta say to you whiners, like all the other nerf-whiners in eve, adapt or "can i have your stuff?"
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:43:00 - [60] Edited by: gordon cain on 07/11/2007 21:43:43 Originally by: Natalie Jax In order for this change to be effective at all the HIC would need the ability to lock down the MoM in lowsec space. To do so it needs the ability to survive the DPS that a MoM is still capable of in lowsec, namely the Heavy Drones it can dump into space. So it either needs to be able to tank the damage of those Heavy Drones, or outrun them. Otherwise the MoM just waits for the inevitable lock and kills the HIC. And we're back to invulnerability. Just something to keep in mind. So let me see if I get this right? You want HIC to be able to tank or speed tank a MoM dammage solo. Like it isnt enough that it can hold down anything in the game now. It also has to be able to tank all things. Think ffs. No single cruiser should be able to tank a Mom when its stopped cold. We are talking 100-200mil ship that can tank the second meaneast ship in the game. Gordon Cain "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"

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