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sleep kever	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:39:00 - [1] Edited by: sleep kever on 07/11/2007 11:40:56 lol, stupid alt and enter etc, anyway: This interesting fact just came up in FD-MLJ local Originally by: "FD-MLJ local" [11:31:09] cuncannon > ccp minderstar can u explain how new dictors ment to work [11:33:26] CCP Mindstar > they are like a regular dictor bubble ariound your own ship [11:33:31] CCP Mindstar > anything inside gets warp jammed [11:33:47] CCP Mindstar > or, you can put the focusing script into the module, and use it like a targeted warp disruptor [11:34:58] CCP Mindstar > good thing about the focusing script is that it can scramble motherships too ;) [11:35:01] CCP Mindstar > and works in lowsec This is going to be an interesting patch, to say at least.
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:43:00 - [2] Stupid alt, get back in your cage! Anyway, yeay for no more near invurnable motherships in low sec! You can now take one down without extensive planning _______ Sign my sig

CCP Zulupark	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:52:00 - [3] Yes, that is indeed how it works. With the focusing script in it, the Heavy Interdictor can scramble any ship and it works in low-security space.

Una D Ex Coelis Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:00:00 - [4] Originally by: CCP Zulupark Yes, that is indeed how it works. With the focusing script in it, the Heavy Interdictor can scramble any ship and it works in low-security space. OOo there is a certain MS that I would love to try that on. Thank you very much for that :)
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:04:00 - [5] i wonder how many will fly titans after this..
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:10:00 - [6] I've got a few questions about scripts (I'll try to log on Sisi to test them, if they're seeded, but I'm at work now). - Does it takes time to change from a script to another? (I hope it takes 10 seconds to reload, or else sensor damps are virtually untouched by the nerf the deserve) - Do they have a limited lifespan, like ammos? Do you have to have XX quantity of the same scripts in your cargo? ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Una D Ex Coelis Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Nyack i wonder how many will fly titans after this.. Excellent. Less of them is just good for the game. Besides main thing this will address is lame low sec moms.
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Shadowsword I've got a few questions about scripts (I'll try to log on Sisi to test them, if they're seeded, but I'm at work now). - Does it takes time to change from a script to another? (I hope it takes 10 seconds to reload, or else sensor damps are virtually untouched by the nerf the deserve) It takes almost next to no time to reload it. I just checked this, and you can swap between scripts almost instantly. That said, damps are getting nerfed anyway, t2 damps on a Celestis went from around 68% (with current TQ build) to around 40% (on sisi now) less targeting range per module, even with the max targeting range disruption script. Originally by: Shadowsword - Do they have a limited lifespan, like ammos? Do you have to have XX quantity of the same scripts in your cargo? Looks like the scripts will not be damaged by using them. So one of each will suffice. _______ Sign my sig
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:25:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Zulupark Yes, that is indeed how it works. With the focusing script in it, the Heavy Interdictor can scramble any ship and it works in low-security space. Best news I've heard in a while. Keep them coming ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
Madscience	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:37:00 - [10] so the new dictor will bubble any ship in low sec too?
Will Stronghold Firing Squad	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:54:00 - [11] I do hope they will be limited in low-sec to be only usable with the focusing script. I would hate to start seeing bubbles in low-sec.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Madscience so the new dictor will bubble any ship in low sec too? It won't bubble. Bubbles only work in 0.0. The "targetted mode" of the new module will work vs 1 ship at a time.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:05:00 - [13] All i can say: bye bye lowsec lamers
Captain Agemman Minmatar Legio Ultra	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Captain Agemman on 07/11/2007 13:06:22 Originally by: Will Stronghold I do hope they will be limited in low-sec to be only usable with the focusing script. I would hate to start seeing bubbles in low-sec. There are two posts that are either directly from a dev or quote a dev, both stating that one of the benefits of the targeted effect of the focusing script is that it can be used in lowsec - as opposed to the non-targeted effect. Why do you still hope? No script: 16-20km radius mobile AoE warp bubble, nosec only Focus script: 24-30km "super" warp disruptor, low and nosec ) ) take that range with a grain of salt, I think the 24km were before ship bonus
Barthezz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:19:00 - [15] Question is, is the heavy interdictor 'disabled' the same way as it is when using the warp disrupt bubble ? E.g. cant be remote-repaired and is slowed down to hell and back. If it is, then I fully support this, if not then what exactly is the point of a super capital again? --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:36:00 - [16] Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals.
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:46:00 - [17] will the scripted use have the same penalties to the ship as teh bubble version?

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:53:00 - [18] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals. Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active?

Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.11.07 14:03:00 - [19] Won't it just loose all benefit from the MWD when the scrambler gets activated? And stop ery fast because of the mass stats? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Say hello to my tiny friends !
Barthezz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 14:49:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Atropos Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? Which is my question, do the limitations (that apply to the warp bubble from heavy interdictors) also apply to the focused scrambler. The answer is a simple yes/no, and if that answer is no then you will indeed have a heavy interdictor going +3k/sec solo-tackling super capitals without a care in the world. If the answer is yes (e.g. his speed gets limited, cant be remote repaired, etc), then its a good change (even though I really feel that super capitals dont need even more ways of being tackled without getting anything for it in return). --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:03:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Atropos Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? If you mean testing cap use etc - friend did this. You can get 3-4km/s in broadsword permatackling from 25km. Add snakes/speed implants/gang bonus and you are looking at 6-8km/s perma scrambling ship which is invulnerable to most motherships. Small hint: look at snakes/polycarbons :) (think i just induced major flaming but meh... who cares)
Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:03:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals. Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? With the passive tanking abilities of the Broadsword and Onxy speed is a mute point. Personally i fly the Gallente and Amarr and love them, but i won't fly either, at least not in this role (shame since it's what they're designed for) when the shield tankers can field such a vastly superior tank. Weel rather it's not the more powerfull tank, it's the pretty much infinite tank --------------------------
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Barthezz Originally by: CCP Atropos Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? Which is my question, do the limitations (that apply to the warp bubble from heavy interdictors) also apply to the focused scrambler. The answer is a simple yes/no, and if that answer is no then you will indeed have a heavy interdictor going +3k/sec solo-tackling super capitals without a care in the world. If the answer is yes (e.g. his speed gets limited, cant be remote repaired, etc), then its a good change (even though I really feel that super capitals dont need even more ways of being tackled without getting anything for it in return). Barthezz is right. I can't fly them either but if you look at the fact that the script completely removes any negs and changes the broadsword into fitting an 'any ship in the game' warp scrambler to the top slot that lasts for 6 seconds at a time and uses 30 cap(not sure if propulsion jamming affects this, if so, take it down to 22.5 cap) and goes out to 24km+ range. The question of the day is this: Does this work on ships that have warp core stab/multiple stabs fitted? If so, this script = pure win. .:. Originally by: Krazy Bitsch Originally by: Virtuality In before the first troll. i do believe you are too late for this....
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:18:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals. Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? Actually with script inserted, cap use isn't that huge (-80% duration, -80% cap use so its stats would be 6sec duration and 30cap) but I'd rather ask MOS DEF different question: Who told you that motherships should be flown solo anywhere? (be it 0.0 or low-sec) ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:22:00 - [25] Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 15:23:20 Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals. Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? It's quite alarming that you ask me this question. You should bloody know! You're a DEV and this change might make paper toys out of the second expensive ship in game and you don't even know. Personally i have not tested it. I've been on sisi and had someone report this and he had a broadsword. Who said they should be flown solo? Don't wwist my posts! I said a boradsword will tackle a mothership speedtankign at zero risk. That is an issue. Last thing this game needs is even more oeverpowered speedtanks. I fly vagabond and huginns myself - i know what they can do.
Kel Dario Amarr Blue Sky Inc	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:25:00 - [26] I must say I love this solution. No more lame lowsec moms. And a lone mom with no support fleet deserves to die. Just as much as a lone carrier. //Kel

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:31:00 - [27] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 15:23:20 Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals. Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? It's quite alarming that you ask me this question. You should bloody know! You're a DEV and this change might make paper toys out of the second expensive ship in game and you don't even know. Personally i have not tested it. I've been on sisi and had someone report this and he had a broadsword. Who said they should be flown solo? Don't wwist my posts! I said a boradsword will tackle a mothership speedtankign at zero risk. That is an issue. Last thing this game needs is even more oeverpowered speedtanks. I fly vagabond and huginns myself - i know what they can do. It's quite alarming that you ask me this question. You're passing judgment on a module and tactic you've never even used, and making passes at the design decisions when you've never tested their implementation. To the best of my knowledge, the current design for them has the penalties of module being applied, regardless of whether the AOE or focused script is loaded. As such, the 'speed' setups that you're afraid of will be less of an issue, since the MWD/AB boost is greatly reduced, through activating the Heavy Interdiction Scrambler, and so they won't be sat outrunning your drones. Of course, the whole point of having them on the test server is to test their application and how they react when used in extreme situations, with extreme setups, so if such an exceptional event occurs, we would probably subsequently balance them back in line.


CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:36:00 - [28] If it helps, I'm getting clarification on the matter from the Game Design team.

Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:39:00 - [29] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 15:23:20 Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 13:37:12 While i do agree this is awesome anti mothership in lowsec and was needed for a long time i think it brings up issues. A speedtanking broadsword can solo tackle a mothership in 0.0. Not much point in the EW immunity of a 40 bill isk ship if it can be effectively tackled by one single ship until the fleet arrives. Basically a mothership is just a carrier with a few more fighters now. Edit: @Barthezz from what i know it's not. You're looking at 3k/sec+ fast orbiting broadswords tackling the so called EW immune supercapitals. Did you test this 'speed fit' with the scrambler active? It's quite alarming that you ask me this question. You should bloody know! You're a DEV and this change might make paper toys out of the second expensive ship in game and you don't even know. Personally i have not tested it. I've been on sisi and had someone report this and he had a broadsword. Who said they should be flown solo? Don't wwist my posts! I said a boradsword will tackle a mothership speedtankign at zero risk. That is an issue. Last thing this game needs is even more oeverpowered speedtanks. I fly vagabond and huginns myself - i know what they can do. Risk is always there if support is with the mothership If you fly vagabonds you should know how easy it is to kill them once caught and you will get caught if you have to keep orbiting around 25km from your target. With new interceptor bonus they are also able to scramble ships 20-30 times more costly than them also 'without risk' and you don't see anyone complaining. If you are vulnerable to smaller ships in your Cap or BS or even CS/BC then bring a friend to take care of this problem for you. 2 Zealots in your support and Broadsword is history faster than you can say 'Heavy Interdictors are not overpowered' and I can think about lots of better ships to get rid of a Broadsword than a Zealot ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:43:00 - [30] Edited by: MOS DEF on 07/11/2007 15:46:39 Originally by: CCP Atropos If it helps, I'm getting clarification on the matter from the Game Design team. It would help. I would test it if i coudl use the ship myself. I therefor had to rely on the info of a pilot that can use it. If the HIC cannot do 3k+ there is no issue. Reports from sisi say they can though. If that is true that is quite game breaking. I wouldn't be surprised after waht you guys pulled off lately. You must excuse me but your latest changes to the game were radical and the trust of the community in the DEVS is lower then ever. Edit: At the poster above: There is nothign easy in catching a vagabond or huginn. It is possible by using rapiers and that's pretty much it. If you use your brains you are very hard to catch. Also i would not compare a 10 mill ceptro tackling a battleship with a 100 mill HIC tacklign a 40 billion mothership or 100+ bill titan. Don't go there. Isk shpould not make you invulnerable. But there should be SOME reason to fly this ships. Right now i cannot see one anymore.

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