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Rexxar Civire Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:20:00 - [91] Two things i would like to add to my previous post. One, as an idea to give them an inline boost, make them immune to any form of energy neutralizing or nosterafu. And second, on the part about helping us not be stuck in them - Allow a password to be set to capital/ship maintenence arrays so they can be used out of corp. Thank you for reading my comments. Rex
Elmicker Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:21:00 - [92] Originally by: CCP Mindstar As far as I am aware they should be able to tackle supercaps with or without the script. So it's essentially a multi-DD proof bubble without the script, and a 100% effective tackle with the script? GG titans.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:44:00 - [93] It's quite funny how people bring up arguments here. Then a random DEV jups in and says: You're all wrong because i bloody say so. Way to go. Keep going devs. At least you solve the lag issue. Less players is less lag after all.
Zarch AlDain The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:55:00 - [94] Originally by: Rexxar Civire Two things i would like to add to my previous post. One, as an idea to give them an inline boost, make them immune to any form of energy neutralizing or nosterafu. And second, on the part about helping us not be stuck in them - Allow a password to be set to capital/ship maintenence arrays so they can be used out of corp. Thank you for reading my comments. Rex The energy array idea sounds good. Also you can allow them to be used out of corp - you can set gang usage and invite the person into your gang. Zarch AlDain
Varrakk Chosen Path	Posted - 2007.11.08 18:00:00 - [95] Care to explain why the Mothershipz and Titans has too become so vulnerable? These formerly alliance and corporation flagships, a symbol of power and pride is reduced to ash. You wanted to take away their ability to launch fighters. You have taken away their ability to supply the front with spare ships (Anyone thats been in a fleet battle and trying to open a corp hangar on a carrier with alot of contents while fights going on, knows you wont get no more ammo then whats already in the guns) *Vulnerability, 8 different ships that can tackle it in 0.0. 4 ships in Low Sec Where titans and motherships go, is usually too tough for its support. In addition to exterme lag (Trinity wont erase lag overnight) They arent impossible to kill, basically same tank as Carriers with a bigger HP buffer before you pop. 3-4 minutes to destroy a mom with a handfull of dreads. Takes 2-4 months to build these Supercapitals, draining the wallets of corporations and alliances. Where is the balance? Carriers Motherships Titans 3 Ship classes slaughtered. Balance is when you take away a ability, you have to give it some compensation.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.08 18:25:00 - [96] Originally by: Varrakk Takes 2-4 months to build these Supercapitals, draining the wallets of corporations and alliances. Where is the balance? Yeh... thats why there are craploads of "personal supercaps" in game now. And why the nerf? Ask lowsec mothership lamers. They know the answer well enough.
Cosmo Raata Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:02:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Mindstar Originally by: Zeoliter And it still makes no sense that the more powerful warp field generator can't tackle Supercaps (only with a script) but the lesser warp disruption probe cam. As far as I am aware they should be able to tackle supercaps with or without the script. I'm totally fine with these changes if you would fix the ridiculous bumping crap. A BS bumping a Titan is no different than a 200 lb man attempting to bump a moving 3000lb car. So implementing this before fixing bumping is kind of lame. Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr!
Malachi Nefzen Caldari Insane Decision	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:14:00 - [98] Just to clarify, the HIC bubble can hold a ship regardless of WCS or does it have a set strengh? Also, if it does indeed work like a warp bubble, when scripted can the single target WCS out or is it perma held? Lastly, one the script can be used in low sec, the bubble can not?
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:30:00 - [99] Originally by: Zeoliter So now we have 8 ships that can tackle supercaps. You wanted to take away the Mom's drones. You want to nerf a Carrier's hauling capabilities. All your changes affect your longest and most loyal customers. Seriously, it's quite amusing checking out the business face palm. Good points of course. Also consider this: Why would anyone ever trust CCP again? If they come out with an expensive new ship class or what not, there is zero basis to trust them to not make your investments worthless at some future point in time if the right political coalition of whiners gets together and decides that an out of game balancing adjustment needs to be made. What exactly is there to "look forward" to in Eve at this juncture? Unless your a "gimme gimme type"(ie new player) who wants to slay goliath with an ibis. Then your golden because the "New Eve online" won't require you to grind hardly at all.
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:35:00 - [100] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Varrakk Takes 2-4 months to build these Supercapitals, draining the wallets of corporations and alliances. Where is the balance? Yeh... thats why there are craploads of "personal supercaps" in game now. And why the nerf? Ask lowsec mothership lamers. They know the answer well enough. So now .4 is safe for afk-ing shuttles. That really needed balanced? /sarcasm off

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:36:00 - [101] Yep it was needed.
Miz Cenuij Caldari Simply Smacktackular	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:38:00 - [102] Will the remote ECM burst break the HIC's SCRIPTED function(the HIC would have to lock the MS to activate the script)? You can see what im thinking here... Remote ECM burst & Cyno out, LOL. Failing that iam selling my MS and buying a normal carrier, filling the lows with WCS, med with tank and highs with smartbombs and carrying on as normal, only 25b richer, LOOL. "Men are going to die... and I'm going to kill them"
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:49:00 - [103] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Failing that iam selling my MS and buying a normal carrier, filling the lows with WCS, med with tank and highs with smartbombs and carrying on as normal, only 25b richer, LOOL. I almost feel bad for you because I doubt you'll be able to sell it for that much due to the nerf. Nobody seems to be buying them anymore. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:14:00 - [104] Edited by: Troubadour on 08/11/2007 20:16:15 isn't the heavy dictor's velocity and ability to receive remote repping removed when it activates this module though? I think that's fair, gives the mom a fighting chance to get out. but still. I thought they were supposed to be IMMUNE TO ALL ELECTRONIC WARFARE. what the hell is the point if you have modules like this? And they STILL haven't fixed the stupid dictor bubbles to not hold down supercaps either, which is utter junk.
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:35:00 - [105] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yep it was needed for players without both lobes of their brains functioning. Fixed it for ya m8. No thank you needed :p
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:41:00 - [106] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yep it was needed for players without both lobes of their brains functioning. Fixed it for ya m8. No thank you needed :p Your try at humour is flawed tbh. And if you dont know why lowsec moms get shafted its your loss.
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:49:00 - [107] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yep it was needed for players without both lobes of their brains functioning. Fixed it for ya m8. No thank you needed :p Your try at humour is flawed tbh. And if you dont know why lowsec moms get shafted its your loss. I figure it's the same reason why Bill Clinton got head in the whitehouse, "because he could." The out of game anti cap lobby is doing what they couldn't accomplish ingame. And they are doing it "because they can."
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:54:00 - [108] Lovely. More POS hugging ships that only come out when you have a blob. Just what we need.
Fenderson Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:56:00 - [109] Originally by: CCP Mindstar Originally by: Zeoliter And it still makes no sense that the more powerful warp field generator can't tackle Supercaps (only with a script) but the lesser warp disruption probe cam. As far as I am aware they should be able to tackle supercaps with or without the script. thanks for all the dev feedback so far. last i saw the heavy interdictor warp bubble module, it had an attribute that said it was a 1 point scramble. that seems to suggest that in bubble mode it would have the same effect as a regular warp disruptor except AOE. in other words, it suggests that in bubble mode it would not be able to tackle supercaps, just as any 1 point disruptor cannot. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh dear, how about we all calm down a bit instead?
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:00:00 - [110] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Lovely. More POS hugging ships that only come out when you have a blob. Just what we need. Exactly. That's why my last 6 accounts are canceled. I think the devs do not understand that there are players that are not at all stimulated by battleships, AFs, inties, newly concocted jump freighters, or what not. Effectively we are being told to ditch caps and saddle up with ships that have been around for four years. BORING. Unimaginative. ect etc etc. I've done everything that can be done in a BS on down. Two hundred times more than the new player whose whines are guiding things. There's nothing more left for me to do in those ships. Most successful, long term MMO's, understand the idea of "natural progression." CCP does not.

Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:04:00 - [111] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Aeon Yakati Lovely. More POS hugging ships that only come out when you have a blob. Just what we need. Exactly. That's why my last 6 accounts are canceled. I think the devs do not understand that there are players that are not at all stimulated by battleships, AFs, inties, newly concocted jump freighters, or what not. Effectively we are being told to ditch caps and saddle up with ships that have been around for four years. BORING. Unimaginative. ect etc etc. I've done everything that can be done in a BS on down. Two hundred times more than the new player whose whines are guiding things. There's nothing more left for me to do in those ships. Most successful, long term MMO's, understand the idea of "natural progression." CCP does not. Can I have your stuff? CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:16:00 - [112] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Aeon Yakati Lovely. More POS hugging ships that only come out when you have a blob. Just what we need. Exactly. That's why my last 6 accounts are canceled. I think the devs do not understand that there are players that are not at all stimulated by battleships, AFs, inties, newly concocted jump freighters, or what not. Effectively we are being told to ditch caps and saddle up with ships that have been around for four years. BORING. Unimaginative. ect etc etc. I've done everything that can be done in a BS on down. Two hundred times more than the new player whose whines are guiding things. There's nothing more left for me to do in those ships. Most successful, long term MMO's, understand the idea of "natural progression." CCP does not. Can I have your stuff? What's gonna be funny is that your meaningless little trite cliche's will be all you have to hold onto as Eve declines. I guess lack of imagination begets the same with players who support things that are propelling Eve in that direction.
pony2slow	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:18:00 - [113] Originally by: CCP Mindstar Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: CCP Mindstar Just to confirm - The focused warp disruption script does indeed remove all of the drawbacks of the warp disruption field generator when it is loaded. I have spoken with the balancing guys about this, and it is the intended functionality of the module. That makes no sense whatsoever. If anything it should increase the penalties so that supercap tackling doesnt degenerate into a 1 click i win button. Why would it - the support fleet can easily kill a cruiser. I love it when you guys say this. HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED THE GAME??? you should word your answer The support fleet (if the load the grid/load the cruiser/can even activate a module) can easily kill a cruiser.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:28:00 - [114] Question: On focused mode, will the HIC hold down a target with unlimited scramble strength? Or will it still have a limited number of points on said target? This is assuming of course, that the target is within range. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Knocturnal omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:01:00 - [115] Oh and one more thing... i forgot. In the days of dd tanking inderdictors HIC's shouldn't have a damn problem to tank one. So titans are even more vulnerable even in 0.0. F*ck Derek we got Xlop.
Jake Noble	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:32:00 - [116] Edited by: Jake Noble on 08/11/2007 22:37:18 What I am most concerned about here is the titans... A mothership I can understand, maybe it fits a tobias web so it can web the dictor whilst sending drones to kill it... But what exactly can a titan do for defence against this module? Its not like dictor bubbles where you may have a SLIM hope of hitting the probe with a smartbomb... but now? What is the counter to this module on a titan point of view? Take for example RA/AAA camping one of our jump points for jump portaling freighters moving through note - excellent idea We can do cynos on the pos shield but 9 times out of 10 you bump off the cyno firgate; (titans cannot jump into a cyno beacon without getting bumped 100km away from the module...) The heavy interdictor decloaks swoops down and tackles the titan and cyno goes up cap fleet comes in... Being able to tank these heavy interdictors for doomsdays is so stupidly easy and can be done with the current standard dictor so really you cannot leave the pos shields which I believe was what you were trying to encourage via removing remote doomsdays. I mean a mothership has defence but a titan is completely useless, the capital guns cannot track, do not do enough damage and are simply pathetic... Smartbombs well its range base, orbit at 10km and you can lol as you bubble the titan. The only real thing is its drone bay but 90 sec lock times and **ty drones arent going to save your ass when 50 dreads are shooting you. Can you either do the following ( NOTE THIS IS A BRAIN STORM ) : A) Remove the hac resistances from the heavy interdictor - it must die to a doomsday... B) Make the warp disruption field generator only work in low sec to stop the damn low sec camping mothership**gots. C) Make it only tackle motherships ( at least they can defend themselves ) D) Increase the pricing on the heavy interdictor, there is no way that ship costing 50m can tackle a lead to the kill of a 45b ship that takes 3 months of build time. ( compression, components, yards ) E) increase the cap usage on the module so that it cannot be sustained over a ~30 second period. F) Fix bumping... so if the fleet kills him / titan kills him the titan can warp out to safety. Can you shed some light on the point of view from a titan pilot, should they be re-classed as an industrial ship - freighter jumper or actually a combat ship?
Silvero Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:40:00 - [117] Yeah you go Jake. Signature removed as the text contains language other than English. Please note that all signatures need to conform to forum rules and be in English only - Valorem
PC5 Bermuda Syndrome	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:41:00 - [118] CCP - "What do you want to nerf today?" Overpowering supercapitals could been : 1. Intended or 2. Development mistake Both points means one thing - ccp failure. Atm there are 29k people loged i wonder if any developer asked himself simple question - 'Why only 29k?'. It could be eaisly 50k or more but... well see what future brings. One thing is sure - more not rethinked content and its implementation into game. Maybe EVE Gold age is over. As for me personaly more fun is being nerfed with time. Good developers 4tw.
Jake Noble	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:55:00 - [119] Originally by: Silvero Edited by: Silvero on 08/11/2007 22:53:30 Lissen to the man ^ And while we are on the Titan page, which are the actual slot it's gonna fill nowdays. With jump freighters and jump bridge arrays and the "new" freighter mass the last practical use of a Titan are getting taken away. [x] Invulnerbility [x] Offensive capabilities [x] Logistics Yeah i think you got them all.... I have to say that the long waiting for the legendary Titan has reached a nice anticlimax. After waiting for more then 3 years this ship, proclaimed to be the king of all ships turns out to be nothing. Its almost as if its the ship they wish they had never created?
Jungle KungFu Minmatar Dickens-Cider	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:55:00 - [120] It's like hungry mice are running ccp



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