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Zemeckis R
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:27:00 -
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i don't want to talk about the brutal, disgraceful and senseless nerf to the gallente ships (basically all of them)
they are so many
i writed a long post explaining everything in the details, but i've decided to give just 2 words, 'couse i'm sure you already know everything well
drones are no longer able to insta-regen shield when scooped to drone bay
on the test server drone ships are failing
it is extremely simple to destroy drones, there are soooo many ways and all of them are extremely efficients
this for drone boats is a shame, 'couse loosing their offenses capabilities, they just have to wait for the explosion
RIP droneships
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar
Eve Defence Force
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:28:00 -
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:30:00 -
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...and this is bad why.....?
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Jupiter Sun
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:30:00 -
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equip a remote repper in your highs to fix your drones and stop depending upon a soon to be dead lame mechanic.
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Mannheim Wolf
Caldari
Earned In Blood
Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:31:00 -
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It's not the end of the world. You just have to learn when to pull your drones off. I think the popular phrase "Adapt or die" fits well here.
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Daemesa D'Aragon
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:32:00 -
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i'm not a drone user but i noticed, that even while drones not insta regen shield, they do or at least it seems keep regen even while scooped.
maybe is another way to force drone users to carry the right size drones with spare ones (more like ammo on guns) than a permarun weapon.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Jupiter Sun
equip a remote repper in your highs to fix your drones and stop depending upon a soon to be dead lame mechanic.
You mean sort of like the mechanic that insta regens your shield when docking in a station?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zemeckis R
on the test server drone ships are failing
it is extremely simple to destroy drones, there are soooo many ways and all of them are extremely efficients
this for drone boats is a shame, 'couse loosing their offenses capabilities, they just have to wait for the explosion
RIP droneships
RIP grammar.
Since all of your drone ships are useless now, I'm happy to take them off of your hands for 10% below current market prices. A virtual steal considering how useless they're about to be!
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Khald
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Khald on 29/11/2007 17:37:23
Doesnt the new system with bandwidth allow the drone boats to have multipul waves of drones. So send one wave out it gets shields chewed up pullem back send out another wave etc.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Khald
Edited by: Khald on 29/11/2007 17:37:23
Doesnt the new system with bandwidth allow the drone boats to have multipul waves of drones. So send one wave out it gets shields chewed up pullem back send out another wave etc.
Yes, but that would be positive, along with new drone behaviors and more reliable drone control, plus several other drone-related fixes. The OP is not about to be positive though.
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Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
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Barbens
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Khald
Edited by: Khald on 29/11/2007 17:37:23
Doesnt the new system with bandwidth allow the drone boats to have multipul waves of drones. So send one wave out it gets shields chewed up pullem back send out another wave etc.
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner! I think this is probably CCP's idea on this subject.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:48:00 -
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Wait, but I bought my drones from a late night infomercial!
They said I could just Set it, and Forget it!
Now I'll have to do *other stuff* too?! 
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:59:00 -
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Drone shields regen in your drone bay. Drone ships can also now carry multiple waves. This means you can just cycle the waves round.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Khald
Edited by: Khald on 29/11/2007 17:37:23
Doesnt the new system with bandwidth allow the drone boats to have multipul waves of drones. So send one wave out it gets shields chewed up pullem back send out another wave etc.
That's how it was explained by CCP. But it turns out I think a whopping TWO ships actually got drone bay increases. So it was basically just a drone-ship nerf.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Khald
Edited by: Khald on 29/11/2007 17:37:23
Doesnt the new system with bandwidth allow the drone boats to have multipul waves of drones. So send one wave out it gets shields chewed up pullem back send out another wave etc.
That's how it was explained by CCP. But it turns out I think a whopping TWO ships actually got drone bay increases. So it was basically just a drone-ship nerf.
Are the bandwidth restrictions on most drone ships lower than the size restrictions originally were?
The ships I've looked at have been able to field the same number/combinations of drones as always, but I don't fly drone boats...
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Jupiter Sun
equip a remote repper in your highs to fix your drones and stop depending upon a soon to be dead lame mechanic.
You mean sort of like the mechanic that insta regens your shield when docking in a station?
Have you tried this in a station without a repair facility?
I ask because I seem to remember docking in a station after having to run from a mission, found that station had no repair facility, undocked and my shield and power had not been regenerated...
On another note, the OP's issue is why I trained all the remote repair skills...
Personally, I think we need a Med Slot Module - Drone Repair System, that will, over time, repair any drone damage while the drone is in the ship's drone bay (like a Hull Repair Module)
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 29/11/2007 18:11:39
(dbl post, I need to fix my connection)
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:11:00 -
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1) The idea of giving spare drones to gunboats as promised in the devblog has proven to be a lie.
2) Dominix and Ishtar are the only two ships capable of carrying truly multiple spare waves of their best fit - that is, 3+ waves of their bandwidth, without having been nerfed to do it. The Arbitrator carries 3 waves of mediums but had its bandwidth reduced to do it, Eos carries 3 waves of 2/2/1 with Command Ships V, and that's about it.
3) All the other ships get two or less waves of their max capability, which essentially means you either gimp yourself or die out as quick as a Myrmi attacked by a competent pilot now (Myrmi gets two, Vexor gets 1 wave and a handful of spares, Ishkur gets 2)
Drone Bandwidth was all about nerfing drone ships, that's it. Two waves of drones is not many at all given how easy it is to kill them now.
And btw, since you all love bringing up how drones are non-ewarabale: what happens when the drone ship gets ewar'd and can't lock his drones anymore to rep them, assuming he's in rep range to begin with and not having problems running his own tank? OH SNAP.
Seriously, though, why bother fitting a remote rep? You quickly reach the point where you're better off flying the corresponding blasterboat and not worrying about tanking your drones - heck, you could use ECM drones or rep drones and still do a significant amount of damage, which is more than most of the drone boats can say.
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poooooooobritaltt
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:13:00 -
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instant shield regeneration doesnt seem like a bug to you?
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:18:00 -
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TBH, not really, considering that the most popular ones (thermic) have much less shield than armor and if you get out of blaster range they die coming back home or at least put in structure. That and it kind of makes sense that some sort of basic maintenance would occur when drones are returned to the drone bay that is INTRINSIC to the bay itself, otherwise we might as well toss drones in the cargo hold and launch them from there.
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In4r4
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:18:00 -
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I really would like to see the reaction if CCP say allowed us to attack the weapons systems of all ships.
Gallente is the only race that can have its offence actually blown up.
As for the promised changes (allowing us to carry multiple waves of drones) they havent happened, all but 2 dedicated drone boats lose out with the changes
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Aranbaal
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:21:00 -
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Insta regen in sttions doesnt happen in all stations its pretty hit and miss so you cant rely on it to keep you in a fight.
Why should drones have this ability? Am glad they removing it. Means that drone boat pilots now have to actually do something.
Drone baots have been very overpowered for allong time now so its been long overdue they were brought into line with the rest of the ships. You've had a good run out of them its time to find out how the rest of us survive.
Of course the pilots are gonne ***** and moan, hell if i was a myrm pilot who coud do over 700dps i wouldnt be happy that they nerfing it. But not being one i can see that 700dps from a battlecruiser is way too overpowered and needs to be nerf'd.
As stated above its time to adapt or die.
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Kortalis Hellion
Gallente
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
Drone shields regen in your drone bay. Drone ships can also now carry multiple waves. This means you can just cycle the waves round.
I was going to say the same thing.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:25:00 -
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It is called balance.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:28:00 -
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How does bandwidth nerf droneships? By not buffing them quite as much as promised? I don't get it.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Er...every drone ship except for the Myrmidon and Eos have been either unchanged or benefit from the nerf. In addition dedicated drone ships boost the HP of their drones, meaning that since drone shields don't instantly regenerate they'll harder to kill than the drones of non-dedicated drone ships.
To claim that this is a drone ship nerf, while ignoring all the other drone improvements such as meta-level drones, improved behavior and additional control options, is lame.
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Aenis Veros
Caldari
Alphaflight
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Gallente are finally brought back to balance, and the gallente FOTM-people are whining. I say LOL.
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Tammarr
Trident RMBK
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:36:00 -
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I'am constantly seen crying that I wont be able to kill stupid myrm pilots anymore due to them not being able to field 5xheavys and nothing else nomore =(
Seriously, some drone ships like myrm, the only nerf they needed was the 'no insta shield regen on scoop' and the chooice to field 5xheavies and no spares vs 10xmeds 5xlights would have been present instead of this bullying. I'd almost say same thing goes for eos... since it bloody rocks able to field 5xheavy logistic bots to support its gang but at the same time, its heavy dps dealing had to go compared to the mighty dps of a claymore, vulture or damnation, its inline now on that part, the ability to help its friends, lost =(.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Er...every drone ship except for the Myrmidon and Eos have been either unchanged or benefit from the nerf. In addition dedicated drone ships boost the HP of their drones, meaning that since drone shields don't instantly regenerate they'll harder to kill than the drones of non-dedicated drone ships.
To claim that this is a drone ship nerf, while ignoring all the other drone improvements such as meta-level drones, improved behavior and additional control options, is lame.
I think some Amarr pilots would love to tell you otherwise. Also, I think everyone knows that drone ships get a drone HP boost - isn't that a key part of play now, Tarminic?
The drone AI fixes should be nice, I am eagerly awaiting those. Meta-level drones sound pretty useless right now, given their projected stats being less than t2. Paying more for less? It's not like these things are Phased Muon damps. Given the increased difficulty in keeping them alive, I'll stick to t2 kthx.
This IS a drone ship nerf. It may indeed bring balance - several months of analysis in TQ will need to be the judge of that - but it is still a nerf, plain and simple. Forgive me for not being appreciative of CCP's magnanimity to give me a whole extra 25 m^3 of bay while reducing my damage and sustainability.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
...and this is bad why.....?
Cause name another weapon system that can be permanently lost until docking. Gallente drone boats always had this issue of leaving their whole weapon system behind, but it was somewhat balanced by the few perks (like shield regen, and nice "theoretical dps"). Now they nerfed the DPS and took away the perk
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