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Katana Seiko Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:27:00 - [1] You say that we'll have to pay "($ or Ç based on geographical location)" - So, do you decide where we are or can we change anything about that? Due to the current weakness of the Dollar a little change might be in order... Have you ever thought about charging your customers in ISK (I mean the islandic krona)? Credit Cards can be charged in all currencies you want, and the rest - well, if their currency drops, they'll need to pay more... --- This is your Captain speaking. Thank you for flying with our spaceline. Please remain seated until the ship has completely burned out. Thank you.
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:30:00 - [2] Good point actually, since a lot of people will either be from the US or buy GTC's via US sites they lose income. Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:12:00 - [3] a little history about the euro and the us dollar 1 euro (may 2003) = 1.17 us ( eve released) 1 euro (dec 2004)= 1.37 us 1 eure (nov 2005) = 1.16 us 1 euro ( nov 2006) = 1.30 us 1 euro (nov 2007) = 1.47 us In this time the euro never goes lower then the us dollar. + it will raise up more and more and going to be stronger in future. something to think about "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi " EVE FAN since 2003
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Macmuelli Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:20:18 what coud be fair to european citiziens? Switch global oil markets to the Euro That would probably push the US into an economic depression. Part of me thinks they deserve it (the richest top 5% anyway) but the more sane and sensible part hopes it doesn't happen. Tbh I'd be satisfied if people would spell Europe with the capital letter it deserves -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Lightof God Caldari Founder's of the Dominion The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Macmuelli Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:20:18 Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:19:31 Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:18:49 a little history about the euro and the us dollar 1 euro (may 2003) = 1.17 us ( eve released) 1 euro (dec 2004)= 1.37 us 1 eure (nov 2005) = 1.16 us 1 euro ( nov 2006) = 1.30 us 1 euro (nov 2007) = 1.47 us In this time the euro never goes lower then the us dollar. + it will raise up more and more and going to be stronger in future. something to think about what coud be fair to european citiziens? Only a 2 monthly based subsription which is baesd on the us dollar and the rate of exchange to the euro. Payed via banking. or " swallow it or let it" At the present time the Euro is extremly overvalued, more so then it normally is. I wont get it to the specifics but the Euro as a whole, if we were speaking in strict economic output and overall health of the econemy should never once have been worth more then the dollar. However that is not how the real world rolls. I will say with great certanty that you are indeed wrong, in a maximum of six months, and most likly sooner the market will realise that the dollar is undervalued comparativly. And with the foregin investments made into america during the time of dollars weakness the US econemy will get strongers as exporting gets cheaper and imports begin to fall by the wayside. As defined by C+I+G+(I-E) the US gdp will then rise again, further strengthing the dollars value due to an increased trust in the then reviatalised econemy. (will edit later, time for class)
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Macmuelli Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:20:18 what coud be fair to european citiziens? Switch global oil markets to the Euro That would probably push the US into an economic depression. Part of me thinks they deserve it (the richest top 5% anyway) but the more sane and sensible part hopes it doesn't happen. Tbh I'd be satisfied if people would spell Europe with the capital letter it deserves Like it or not, US economy going into a depression would likely drag most other economies with it. US consumers stop buying as much stuff, which a large % is imported. Corporation Management Improvement
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:24:00 - [7] Edited by: Troye on 30/11/2007 19:24:15 Originally by: Johnathan Roark Like it or not, US economy going into a depression would likely drag most other economies with it. US consumers stop buying as much stuff, which a large % is imported. The GB pound would loose alot of its value aswel, overall the US going into depression would be a terrible thing your europe and any post-colonial country. _______________________________________________
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Lightof God Originally by: Macmuelli Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:20:18 Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:19:31 Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 16:18:49 +++ At the present time the Euro is extremly overvalued, more so then it normally is. I wont get it to the specifics but the Euro as a whole, if we were speaking in strict economic output and overall health of the econemy should never once have been worth more then the dollar. However that is not how the real world rolls. I will say with great certanty that you are indeed wrong, in a maximum of six months, and most likly sooner the market will realise that the dollar is undervalued comparativly. And with the foregin investments made into america during the time of dollars weakness the US econemy will get strongers as exporting gets cheaper and imports begin to fall by the wayside. As defined by C+I+G+(I-E) the US gdp will then rise again, further strengthing the dollars value due to an increased trust in the then reviatalised econemy. (will edit later, time for class) Plz more specific which u dont wanne go in, woud help more then hyptohesis. This numbers(i had post) are the rate of exchange within the last 4 years.(lowest in this time) The strong euro makes it in future perhaps difficulter to export stuff, cos low dumping prices from other states.( if u pay for the same product in low valued dollar) And there will be a change ( the dollar goes up agian about the strong input )... ( up and down all the time is the ecenomic market or? ) and then again.... If the dollar is to strong the euro raise up again. But the point is that the euro was all time ( since eve released ) more WORTH then a Dollar ( look at the numbers which are Facts) But the actualy fact is (30.11.2007 1 Euro = 1.46... US dollar) a european pays 46 % more then a Us citizien. And te point is not if its under or overvalued by investments or in/ export ... the point is what u pay in the end. If the Dollar raise up and the euro goes under 1 dollar it should be change then to us citziens ( found a way.) I personal believe this will no Happend within the next six month.( if u will get a dominix from me cos its same worth then a megathron) <- a sarcasm joke but the dominix u will get if "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi " EVE FAN since 2003
Minee Ze Gallente Gold Leaf University Haud Terminus	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:37:00 - [9] /rant why not just take life as it comes..... who the heck cares really, you are making mountains out of molehills, this is the difference of a couple of dollars here. if this is such a large and unfair issue do something about it, don't complain. /end_rant and Macmuelli not trying to be rude i can tell English isn't your primary language, I think I know where you are coming form but that first sentence kind of threw me, could you be a little more clear? thanks. Minee Ze -Minee Ze You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. Albert Einstein
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Troye Edited by: Troye on 30/11/2007 19:24:15 Originally by: Johnathan Roark Like it or not, US economy going into a depression would likely drag most other economies with it. US consumers stop buying as much stuff, which a large % is imported. The GB pound would loose alot of its value aswel, overall the US going into depression would be a terrible thing your europe and any post-colonial country. Which is, of course, why the more sane part of me doesn't want it to happen (as per my original post). As for the Euro being overvalued - only as a result of the run on the Dollar. It's one of a couple of safe havens that people are moving their money to. A more accurate picture is that the dollar has been overvalued for the last twenty years but moderated somewhat by the fact that cheap oil has allowed the US to invest in infrastructure. The problem we now face (I think) is that with the Dollar underpinning the world's economy it's beginning to look like the world's economy is overvalued. That would imply that we're in danger of a global adjustment. I absolutely don't want that to happen..but being human I can't help but smirk at the thought of all those rich gits and financiers getting their comeuppance. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:46:00 - [11] We (USA) have finally started a counter-attack on the under valued YEN. The Euro just got in the way. (sorry for that) It's possiable that the Federal Reserve might lower interest rates even more with the result of an even LOWER dollar. All of which is good, but 15 years too late. Hopefully this will break our addiction to cheap imports and cheap gas, even the Trade Balance and spur US job creation at home. (It's about time) --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/11/2007 20:05:32 and Macmuelli not trying to be rude i can tell English isn't your primary language, I think I know where you are coming form but that first sentence kind of threw me, could you be a little more clear? thanks. Minee Ze u right ! English isnt my primary language. (I learn it step by step with my corp mates ( which have english as primary language ) And i think my translations (spelling) looks rude and sarcasm. German so far . Atm i dont care about paing 14.95 euro each month. Or Use a 12 month payment for the account which offers a good discount. But at least 10 km+ in westly direction PPLs pays the the same Rate in Dollars but without effected by a " real life Rate of echange. ( is going a little bit to be envy) "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi " EVE FAN since 2003
ElCholo Minmatar The SMITE Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Troye Edited by: Troye on 30/11/2007 19:24:15 Originally by: Johnathan Roark Like it or not, US economy going into a depression would likely drag most other economies with it. US consumers stop buying as much stuff, which a large % is imported. The GB pound would loose alot of its value aswel, overall the US going into depression would be a terrible thing your europe and any post-colonial country. Which is, of course, why the more sane part of me doesn't want it to happen (as per my original post). As for the Euro being overvalued - only as a result of the run on the Dollar. It's one of a couple of safe havens that people are moving their money to. A more accurate picture is that the dollar has been overvalued for the last twenty years but moderated somewhat by the fact that cheap oil has allowed the US to invest in infrastructure. The problem we now face (I think) is that with the Dollar underpinning the world's economy it's beginning to look like the world's economy is overvalued. That would imply that we're in danger of a global adjustment. I absolutely don't want that to happen..but being human I can't help but smirk at the thought of all those rich gits and financiers getting their comeuppance. Nah, USA hasnt invested in infrastructure - Hasnt built a nuke plant or refinery in ages, and will cost something like 2 trillion USD to repair all bridges in the country. We've been too busy investing in overpriced real estate and shaky stock schemes. The house of cards will tumble .. just a matter of time.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Katana Seiko You say that we'll have to pay "($ or Ç based on geographical location)" - So, do you decide where we are or can we change anything about that? Due to the current weakness of the Dollar a little change might be in order... Have you ever thought about charging your customers in ISK (I mean the islandic krona)? Credit Cards can be charged in all currencies you want, and the rest - well, if their currency drops, they'll need to pay more... Getting things back on topic... It's an interesting idea that we be pretty fair. The problem is marketing the game. Tell new players they have to pay 1000 ISK per month for the game, and all they'll see is the 1000, when the other guys are only charging 14.95. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Zondrail Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:51:00 - [15] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Katana Seiko You say that we'll have to pay "($ or Ç based on geographical location)" - So, do you decide where we are or can we change anything about that? Due to the current weakness of the Dollar a little change might be in order... Have you ever thought about charging your customers in ISK (I mean the islandic krona)? Credit Cards can be charged in all currencies you want, and the rest - well, if their currency drops, they'll need to pay more... Getting things back on topic... It's an interesting idea that we be pretty fair. The problem is marketing the game. Tell new players they have to pay 1000 ISK per month for the game, and all they'll see is the 1000, when the other guys are only charging 14.95. Sadly, this is true. Consumer perception is idiotic at best. It's like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. People are always looking for HD-DVD and saying it's better (personal experience here), when in fact, Blu-Ray is a better product, supported more, and less proprietary than HD-DVD. BUT, because people see a standard acronym like they are used to seeing (VHS, CD, DVD, etc.), they think, oh HD-DVD, that sounds like a DVD in HD... and it sounds less proprietary than Blu-Ray, so it must be better... when it is, in fact, not. Case in point, consumer's make a lot of decisions based on silly things... so I have no problem in believing that people would see 1,000 and immediately think they would rather play another game where they charge 14.95. Go world.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:02:00 - [16] just curious as to what the lower income people in Europe make and what is the base cost of living aka what is the "real" value of 1 euro as compared to 1 USD as compared to what it trades for.
Alz Shado Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:14:00 - [17] Don't forget, the US doesn't have to pay VAT, which instantly adds about 15-25% to anything bought in Euroland. Sales tax here is between 5-10%, with most states in the 6-7% range.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Zondrail Sadly, this is true. Consumer perception is idiotic at best. It's like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. People are always looking for HD-DVD and saying it's better (personal experience here), when in fact, Blu-Ray is a better product, supported more, and less proprietary than HD-DVD. BUT, because people see a standard acronym like they are used to seeing (VHS, CD, DVD, etc.), they think, oh HD-DVD, that sounds like a DVD in HD... and it sounds less proprietary than Blu-Ray, so it must be better... when it is, in fact, not. Ah, a blue-ray fan. I am not really going to knock blue-ray but I will say this, the reason why there are so many Blue Ray machines out there is becuase of the PS3. Blue-Ray was not designed to be backward compatible like HD-DVD, from some of the different reports I have read they are implementing that feature. Finally, Blue-Ray is geared more towards DRM than HD-DVD. That is one of the reasons for the initial fight was DRM. Blue-Ray has it locked down more. Now - back to the topic at hand, I do understand that it does take more dollars to buy the Euro. I am not an economics wizard so I am curious, who is really being cheated here the Americans or the Europeans? There was another thread speaking about this stuff before and it appeared as if CCP was actually helping the Europeans by not charging some sort of fee that has to be charged based on location between EU members by trying to keep it a flat rate. Which if that is the case then it would sound like you guys are actually paying less for the game and then paying a tax on top of it make up the difference. I would like to know what the Economists that CCP hired has to say about all of this. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Caldrion Dosto Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:32:00 - [19] Quote: At the present time the Euro is extremly overvalued, more so then it normally is. I wont get it to the specifics but the Euro as a whole, if we were speaking in strict economic output and overall health of the econemy should never once have been worth more then the dollar. However that is not how the real world rolls. Quote: I will say with great certanty that you are indeed wrong, in a maximum of six months, and most likly sooner the market will realise that the dollar is undervalued comparativly. And with the foregin investments made into america during the time of dollars weakness the US econemy will get strongers as exporting gets cheaper and imports begin to fall by the wayside. As defined by C+I+G+(I-E) the US gdp will then rise again, further strengthing the dollars value due to an increased trust in the then reviatalised econemy. What university do you study economics at? You smoke lots of *** in class? Think we need to send them a letter telling them to shape up on the economy education. You don¦t think it can be a "little" bad for the dollar that the United Arab Emirate¦s central bank are to untie it¦s currency from the dollar? (hint: this will make it weaker) And other countries are following. USA¦s banking crisis arn¦t helping you, since investors are cutting losses and moving asets out of the USA, this is not good for the dollar (Hint: it makes it weaker) This is just a few things happening now that you should know about. And hopefully we will not find ridicule's statements like this from you in a while: Quote:** in a maximum of six months, and most likely sooner the market will realise that the dollar is undervalued comparatively. And even if you by some miracle from God is right (i do believe you have a lot of "beliavers" over seas), it will take years for the dollar t catch up with the Euro.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton just curious as to what the lower income people in Europe make and what is the base cost of living aka what is the "real" value of 1 euro as compared to 1 USD as compared to what it trades for. I did some very unscientific research comparing Sweden to the US once a long time ago. You have to keep in mind that there are big differences in Europe so this isn't true for every European country. I should also probably mention that I did this using google a lot. As you say, the salaries are better in the US, you get about 30-40% more. But you have a much greater difference between low income and high income as well, so there are people making less than you'd make in Sweden and people making a lot more money. One interesting thing I found when finding some articles about people moving US to Sweden and vice versa was that you really didn't have it better with that increased income. A US family with 30-40% more money actually had pretty much the same situation as a Swedish family with 30-40% less income. And someone who moved to Sweden had been worried about loosing so much money but found that you could live comfortably on less money. You can probably debate if Sweden if the same, worse or better than the US. My own conclusion was that you were slightly better off in the US as long as you were single and healthy, but if you start a family and have to save for college and everything else, you're probably better off in Sweden. But as I said, it's really debatable, if you are in a profession that makes the 30-40% more it could be ok to move, if you're in a category that makes less you really shouldn't move and if you're a doctor you really should move since they make 50-60% more. The biggest surprise for me was that i thought that you had a financially better situation in the US and that turned out to not be true, or at least it didn't look like it was true. And to get to the point, when it comes to the USD vs EUR, the only people it has gotten cheaper for would be the ones paying in USD but not living in the US. For anyone living in the US it hasn't become cheaper just because the USD is low, they haven't magically gotten huge raises in salary. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Caldrion Dosto Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:56:00 - [21] Edited by: Caldrion Dosto on 30/11/2007 22:57:35 Quote: For anyone living in the US it hasn't become cheaper just because the USD is low, they haven't magically gotten huge raises in salary. What people are "talking" about is that we see Dollar becoming less worth comparing to the Euro, and of course we want to pay in Dollars then :) But still finds it a bit odd that you don¦t use a single currency for debits in this game. (all thought there are economic reason not to) US residents would ***** in the same way if Euro fall true the floor. And your not raising game price in dollars due to inflation witch sends the message to us all to buy GTC¦from the US. If this i the course of action you want to take, why not make all game time purchases be in Dollars (and you might adjust it for VAT for euro residents if need be, but not sure you really need to do that thought, i payed for WoW in dollars i believe)? VAT reasosn are a bit shaky I would think. Edit: Want to add i don¦t mean to be hostile, just read it true and might have come across that way .
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:01:00 - [22] Anyway i had change to a 12 month payment which gives a great discount to a monthly payment.179 ( mothly) -> 131( 1 year) + it garant me 1 year playtime and fun. Ps: but 1 thing woud be interesting ( personal) i had invite some guest to a dinner. and bought some Fish on a local market. The quality is the best u can imagine.( smells like the ocean where it was in some days ago, no think about if its old or not) 200 gr scallops 600 gr wild salmon 600 gr King prawns ( 6/8)( seewater quality wild - no aquacultur or something ) 400 gr thuna ( sushi quality) 1.4 kg angler( monk fish) tail all together 80 euro woud be interest if this woud cost more then 110 Us "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi " EVE FAN since 2003
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:20:00 - [23] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/12/2007 00:25:07 Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Edited by: Caldrion Dosto on 30/11/2007 22:57:35 Quote: For anyone living in the US it hasn't become cheaper just because the USD is low, they haven't magically gotten huge raises in salary. What people are "talking" about is that we see Dollar becoming less worth comparing to the Euro, and of course we want to pay in Dollars then :) But still finds it a bit odd that you don¦t use a single currency for debits in this game. (all thought there are economic reason not to) US residents would *** in the same way if Euro fall true the floor. And your not raising game price in dollars due to inflation witch sends the message to us all to buy GTC¦from the US. If this i the course of action you want to take, why not make all game time purchases be in Dollars (and you might adjust it for VAT for euro residents if need be, but not sure you really need to do that thought, i payed for WoW in dollars i believe)? VAT reasosn are a bit shaky I would think. Edit: Want to add i don¦t mean to be hostile, just read it true and might have come across that way . Look man, there are very important tax rules, and since CCP's servers are in London, which just so happens to be in the same country that can tax dead people by kicking their children out of their home to cover inheretencec tax liability, I have one thing to say. CCP aint going to comment. If CCP know you are european, then good for you, and they are obliged to charge you in whatever form as long as someone in europe gets tax. If you move out of europe, then you could petttion it I guess. A loophole is GTC's and no serious Judge is going to make a prescident on GTC's. No personal record is made of who holds a GTC since a GTC is a bearer document. Therefore who ya gonna chase up for tax? Brittish tax rules from abroad is simple. You pay brittish rate of tax on your earnings minus whatever tax you paid foreign goverments. If you paid more tax to a foreign goverment than the brittish goverment whould have changed in tax if you worked in the Uk, then insted of any fancy refund, they would just laugh you off and say that you have suffered enough! One sided rules 4tl. / CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar!**
Raivi Explosion Matrix Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:32:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Wrangler the only people it has gotten cheaper for would be the ones paying in USD but not living in the US. o/ The high Canadian dollar does have some advantages right now. --------------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:44:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Wrangler As you say, the salaries are better in the US, you get about 30-40% more. [...] And to get to the point, when it comes to the USD vs EUR, the only people it has gotten cheaper for would be the ones paying in USD but not living in the US. For anyone living in the US it hasn't become cheaper just because the USD is low, they haven't magically gotten huge raises in salary. BUT for those paying Euro it IS more expensive, a lot more, compared to anybody paying in USD... since you so eloquently put it, Europeans get less money to begin with, but they pay more than just the actual VAT value for EVE. Since x USD (1+VAT%) < x EUR, and (x USD)/USDsalary >= 1.3 (x * EURUSDexchangerate EUR)/EURsalary. RIGHT NOW, 1 EUR = aprox 1.47 USD Assuming a 35% higher salary in the US compared to Europe, as a percentage of salary, 1 EUR = aprox 1.98 USD Now, this means Europeans pay roughly TWICE as much of their salary for EVE compared to an US citizen. Even discounting VAT (which should be 24.5% in Iceland, and 25% is the maximum allowed in the EU), and ignoring salarial differences, 1 USD * 1.25 still barely reaches 0.845 EUR... or in other words, roughly +18.3%. So, no matter how you put it, Europeans pay MORE as anybody else to play EVE. Depending on HOW you put it, Europeans pay between 18% and 98% more ! Now, why is that ? C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:33:00 - [26] Why doesn't CCP charge subscribers' cards in Icelandic Krona? Logoffs
Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Why doesn't CCP charge subscribers' cards in Icelandic Krona? I bet if some CCP staff had their way they would charge us in Coronas. ---
Mizdemeanor Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:53:00 - [28] + it will raise up more and more and going to be stronger in future. who are you alan-*******-greenspan? Last thing I'd do is make assumptions long-term on the currency market.
No Wai	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:02:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Wrangler For anyone living in the US it hasn't become cheaper just because the USD is low, they haven't magically gotten huge raises in salary. But for those with investments in gold for the past few years from when the USD was strong, holy hell, most.awesome.investment.EVER.
Scarcus Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:19:00 - [30] Wow, having read the postings in this thread, I must admit that I did not realize the elitist attitude of the European player base. To think that I considered you guys civilized all this time. What a farce. Once NOL has been purged with cleansing fire, and all the vassals are put to the sword, I'm sure we'll have a lovely little cold war, your bloc and ours. Originally by: KIATolon Chowdown, if you use your t

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