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Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:39:00 - [61] Haha! Doomed to flames from the start, Hardin; a story so vast and involving so many conflicts and organizations...one miswording on each account and you'll have all the haters from each organization setting the record straight in their own colorful way. But that's really what makes territorial warfare so exciting; the mechanics in Eve that we all hate so much (particularly as relates to seige warfare) are the mechanics that shape epic conflicts and force the involvement of so many people. Even if the details are wrong (I wouldn't know, I have a hard time keeping up with it all) this accounting very nicely captures the scope and scale of Eve and 0.0 life. It's a big story writing itself as we play...flames and trolling be damned. As for "disrupting cyno chains;" stations in Providence that are placed without permission get knocked down (or at least futilely attacked ) particularly if they belong to an organization who regularly shoots at CVA pilots and neutrals in Providence. We shoot at Red Alliance, Goons, and -A- as well...any implication that we have a "vested interest" in this war simply based on who we shoot at would imply our vested interest is to be at war with nearly every organization involved on either side of this war. That's quite obviously not in the interests of a 600 member alliance with space to defend
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Mistress Suffering The early section regarding BoB uses a lot more subjectivity than many of the other sections with comments like "of course they..." and stuff like that. You could easily prune the more blatant examples and have a truer piece through there. Bob's command new PR make people think this. They STFU when they asked themselves if they could defend LV. Though I don't know how many time they said to LV this was a safe fight. 2isk
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:42:00 - [63] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 30/11/2007 19:43:38 Originally by: Mistress Suffering I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres. The M.Pire turning point and the rift with MC also came with the realization that BOB can't possibly win. Now they are just living on borrowed time while the coalitions and other former friends jockey for control over strategy and the disposal of their space. Speculation has moved on, to whether the BOB plan to cut its losses and static assets, and go mobile will keep the resulting smaller 700/800 man PvP alliance together, and how many of their 23 stations need to be succesfully sieged before they run. Myn --- Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:44:00 - [64] Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Mistress Suffering I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres. I'd fully agree with that comment, but also point out that it was coupled with a change in perception of Goons. They went from being a carefree, innovative alliance that posted some hilarious stuff (remember the 'little bee' animation to request larger alliances?) to storming the forums with Threadnoughts, RL abuse and borderline illegal spam. Whereas most felt goodwill to them in the 'old days' (myself included, belive it or not) they've squandered that goodwill and turned it to disgust. Nobody can controm 4000 creative minds. In your RL work, are you the exact replica of what wants your CEO to be ? Most of people are not. 2isk
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:45:00 - [65] Good reading, Hardin. However, as you yourself pointed out, not historically precise or complete in all accounts. I think the main drawback of your post is that you seem to have relatively little insight of the current and past developments in the North. The Northern Coalition played a not to be underestimated role in the fall of LV in the beginning of the war. Their attack in Fountain, which happened simultaniously to the Southern Coalition attack on LV, caused BoB to cease most military support they would have otherwise given to LV. If Fountain would not have been attacked by the Northern Coalition, BoB could and would have given LV fullscale support, and it is questionable if LV would have fallen so quick. Without the intervention from MC and the sideswitching from YouWhat, the North would have played a large part in the following months of the war, mainly involving the Fountain region of the BoB territory. But this is hypothetical, since MC did intervene, and effectively bound Northern forces in their home territory. It is not unlikely that the Northern bloc will play a part in the war again in the future. Many in the North continue to look unfavourably upon the BoB control of Fountain. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:46:00 - [66] This is fairly accurate except for the stuff Mittani pointed out. Good read.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:54:00 - [67] I like how the OP skipped 3 years of history and got straight to bob 'pets', a fairly new--relative to EVE's age--term. ----------------- Friends Forever
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:56:00 - [68] Originally by: Garreck Haha! Doomed to flames from the start, Hardin; a story so vast and involving so many conflicts and organizations...one miswording on each account and you'll have all the haters from each organization setting the record straight in their own colorful way. Clever post. Some might flame my point of vue if they understand my english, I know that. I'd want to say... Oh whatever. Pewpew ! :) 2isk
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:58:00 - [69] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 30/11/2007 19:43:38 Originally by: Mistress Suffering I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres. The M.Pire turning point and the rift with MC also came with the realization that BOB can't possibly win. Now they are just living on borrowed time while the coalitions and other former friends jockey for control over strategy and the disposal of their space. Speculation has moved on, to whether the BOB plan to cut its losses and static assets, and go mobile will keep the resulting smaller 700/800 man PvP alliance together, and how many of their 23 stations need to be succesfully sieged before they run. Myn --- I think we can wait for another two year to see this. Less is speculation. Newbies can wait long, the game is great. 2isk
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:59:00 - [70] Originally by: Awox I can say that the OP is mostly correct. I was planted into Veritas Immortalis by MACTEP to spy on Light Darkness. When Veritas Immortalis fell I was retired by MACTEP and went off doing my own thing, mostly pirating in low-sec. Pirating in low-sec became a bit boring, so now I run top-secret courier missions for MACTEP and other high-ranking Red Alliance captains, occasionally I have been known to move the odd package for GoonSwarm aswell. Funny how things work out. guys my gimmick

FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:05:00 - [71] you forgot: fade to black, credits...
Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:10:00 - [72] Originally by: Mynas Atoch The M.Pire turning point and the rift with MC also came with the realization that BOB can't possibly win. Now they are just living on borrowed time while the coalitions and other former friends jockey for control over strategy and the disposal of their space. Speculation has moved on, to whether the BOB plan to cut its losses and static assets, and go mobile will keep the resulting smaller 700/800 man PvP alliance together, and how many of their 23 stations need to be succesfully sieged before they run. Myn --- So.. what your saying is: There are no BoB?
Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:11:00 - [73] Originally by: Berrik Radhok This is fairly accurate except for the stuff Mittani pointed out. Good read. srsly.. we need a :suckcock: emote. Amirite?
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:13:00 - [74] A few factual errors: Red Alliance held a lot more than three territories at it's peak. If you look on the political maps, it's probably closer to 6-7. Red Alliance didn't seriously start taking territory back until after Goonswarm moved south. I don't want to diminish what RA did - they did have the vast majority of the capitals at the time. I think the only places they actually controlled was Cache and C-J in Insmother; it was only after Goonswarm moved down that they began evicting KOS. TCF joined in about the same time, though after Goonswarm I believe. I just don't want it sounding like either Goonswarm or TCF are band-wagoners. RA probably could have killed off KOS by themselves, but their biggest problem was timezone coverage, not numbers. They could field a very battleship heavy, very skilled fleet, but only during their primetime. TCF gave them European coverage and Goonswarm gave them American coverage. The Smoske/Goonfleet's first steps into 0.0 thing weren't even close to one another. D2 tower-spammed XZH before that, and after a solid month of what is still the toughest fighting I've seen, Goonfleet withdrew. It was only after Goonfleet left Cloudring and was regoruping it's assets in Empire/Syndicate that BoB came down for two weeks (10 days , but I'm feeling generous) and blew up a few unrelated towers. I can honestly say after the Cloudring campaign, the vast majority of people took a break from EVE, and those that didn't ****** around with BoB on their VCBee alts. The claim that they kicked Goonswarm out of Syndicate is not only insane but unsupportable. The part about RFS attacking LV while they were helping ISS is also wrong. Goonswarm and LV had a POS NAP going so they could go and fight in Catch instead; I think everyone at that point wanted to play a little bit where the stakes weren't personally so high. After MC pulled out of Catch, Goonfleet knew IAC and AAA would be able to kick out ISS by themselves, and LV knew it was hopeless as well, as they were not willing to come with capitals. So we went back to fighting in Detorid, where Goonswarm put up three large POSs in DG-, which I assume LV figured was for carriers to assign fighters from, store ammo, and refit/repair ships; a violation of the POS nap in the strictest of senses, but not anything near enough to pose a threat to LV's 20-some large POS majority. The POS nap was only broken when LV tried to kill the last tower in DG- (I think they killed the other two or Goonswarm pulled them down, I don't remember). I'm sure most people remember (or have seen the video) that morning when the tower came out of reinforced and LV lost 15+ capitals to RA/Goonswarm. Shortly after the POS nap was really broken and like 2 weeks later LV was dead booya
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Gnome Chomsky Originally by: Berrik Radhok This is fairly accurate except for the stuff Mittani pointed out. Good read. srsly.. we need a :suckcock: emote. Amirite? sartre has been doing pretty good but you're terrible at trolling
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:46:00 - [76] Some interesting history revision from our foes on the other side of the fence. Whatever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Arbitrus Caldari SPARTAN Peacekeeping Force DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:54:00 - [77] wow, with all those posts, so full of info, some of it true, some of it not, where the **** did you get the time to do all that? like, you must have just disappeared for a bit huh? ----------------------------------------------- Come Home with your shield, or come home on it. Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed. Mail us if you have any questions -Targoviste
FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Mistress Suffering I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres. To me, the turning point was the first form of the coalition back to LV war, including D2. At that time most of the game became bob or no-bob, the rest is just consequence...
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Gnome Chomsky Originally by: Berrik Radhok This is fairly accurate except for the stuff Mittani pointed out. Good read. srsly.. we need a :suckcock: emote. Amirite? shut up RadioWombat
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:19:00 - [80] Originally by: fire 59 LIES! if you think they're wrong, why don't you post your version of events instead of just yelling LIES! (). please point out the inaccuracies itt. --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2

General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Mistress Suffering I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres. I'd fully agree with that comment, but also point out that it was coupled with a change in perception of Goons. They went from being a carefree, innovative alliance that posted some hilarious stuff (remember the 'little bee' animation to request larger alliances?) to storming the forums with Threadnoughts, RL abuse and borderline illegal spam. Whereas most felt goodwill to them in the 'old days' (myself included, belive it or not) they've squandered that goodwill and turned it to disgust. Nobody can controm 4000 creative minds. In your RL work, are you the exact replica of what wants your CEO to be ? Most of people are not. Creative minds? Don't make me laugh, Goons have been churning out the same, stale spin for months if not years. Their jokes are increasingly repetitive and they seem to have lost the originality that once made them different. As for your paper-thin analogy about 'being the carbon copy of my CEO'... that's got to be one of the lamest defence of Goon hysteria I've ever head. I may not be a carbon copy of my CEO, but if I did something that well beyond any kind of moral standards, and consistently acted in a destructive way that bordered on illegality he's sure as hell kick me out. Sadly, Goon command doesn't have enough control over its pilots to do that. Either that, or it implicitly supports that kind of behaviour. What a weak argument you make.
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:23:00 - [82] Edited by: General Windypops on 30/11/2007 21:23:23 Originally by: Berrik Radhok This is fairly accurate except for the stuff Mittani pointed out. Good read. Translation: "I wish I was more like you, Mittani - please respond to my evemails some time - I really think we could be friends". I knew Goons were desperate for each others approval, but that post made me want to vomit into my Guinness glass :(
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:31:00 - [83] Originally by: Skool Daze This is bull.****. This is the real history: End of BOB started when Sirmolle started "tick tock" topics. Annoying all eve community and not only their enemies. Now do you see that tick tock topics anymore? BOB attacked ASCN because CYVOK thought he become GOD after having the first titan and told something stupid on the forums like "we'll let you keep fountain if you surrender now." BOB killed ASCN with the help of Developers and titan overpower. They couldn't do this today at this new game mechanics. Nevertheless since titans been nerfed BOB is losing space and will lose more and more. GOON will kill BOB because Sirmolle said "there are no goons." not thinking that one day all that low skilled pilots become high skilled. So all this wars are because of forum smacktalk and ego war, it all starts here and ends in game. bob attacked ASCN before the We will let you keep fountain line. DBP said there are no goons
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Torshin bob attacked ASCN before the We will let you keep fountain line. DBP said there are no goons nope "there are no goons this is as personal as it will ever get goodbye" that's a molle line. well, one of his many ghostwriters
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:38:00 - [85] Originally by: General Windypops Translation: "I wish I was more like you, Mittani - please respond to my evemails some time - I really think we could be friends". I knew Goons were desperate for each others approval, but that post made me want to vomit into my Guinness glass :( I thought the Gnome guys troll was better than yours, but Muttons shot it down in flames -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:56:00 - [86] Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre I thought the Gnome guys troll was better than yours, but Muttons shot it down in flames the current ranking is: sartre > alice (but pretty far behind) > ReeRee > (way far behind) Gnome > (absolutely the worst) Windypops the problem is that you dont really even troll much anymore sartre you just chill which is cool reeree quit alice is going through a rocky period and i think we should band together with her (like brothers) to help her get back on track gnome is terrible and thank god he almost never tries, but windypops is the worst troll
Kyguard Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:00:00 - [87] Most of the mistakes have already been pointed out, apart from the MC North Campaign - of the major entities it was really only D2 has completely collapsed, RZR just lost their space and regrouped while MM didn't lose any space at all. Interesting read nonetheless. - Latest Video
Alz Shado Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:01:00 - [88] You left out FREGE's sieges on the station services in NOL and surrounding systems, and even the temporary capture of one of their stations.
Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:05:00 - [89] Thanx for a good post Hardin, it¦s good to see that someone bothers to put something meaningful here for a change. -A- was formed by RAT, some former SE corps such as XB, VVS,PPN and COL, a former SA corp. Strangely enough it was the fight for the 10/10 in E3- that made those 3 cooperate in the first place, when AXE wanted in on the centus goodness. So thanx SteelRat
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:07:00 - [90] Just a minor point; IAC and LV had a NAP just prior to the time of cough issues cough between IAC and ISS. That NAP got broken after a er... certain 'incident' whilst an IAC fleet was enroute to help out Huzzah from an AAA siege... ("Gadzooks! these blues be shootin' us! Kill them!!111 ) ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'



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