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Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:58:00 - [181] Edited by: Dafuzz on 01/12/2007 20:00:14 Originally by: TWD Originally by: Mittani seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated please post more and get spot back to posting tia and see about getting galavet in on this, you gal and spot are on about the same level of incoherent moral outrage What is your obsession with the word "fail" by the way? Are you a person who is afraid of failing? I don't think he "gets" BoB Edit: By the way, saw your sup fuzz too late Mittens, sup with you. Homemade bacon and shroom omelet for breakfast this morning rocked. With a Bran muffin -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:03:00 - [182] Originally by: Dafuzz Edited by: Dafuzz on 01/12/2007 20:00:14 Originally by: TWD Originally by: Mittani seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated please post more and get spot back to posting tia and see about getting galavet in on this, you gal and spot are on about the same level of incoherent moral outrage What is your obsession with the word "fail" by the way? Are you a person who is afraid of failing? I don't think he "gets" BoB Edit: By the way, saw your sup fuzz too late Mittens, sup with you. Homemade bacon and shroom omelet for breakfast this morning rocked. With a Bran muffin Dafuzz comes to save the day. Thanks dude, this thread started to have a dark gothic feel to it. I had no breakfast. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:04:00 - [183] Edited by: The Mittani on 01/12/2007 20:04:21 Originally by: TWD Originally by: Mittani seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated please post more and get spot back to posting tia and see about getting galavet in on this, you gal and spot are on about the same level of incoherent moral outrage What is your obsession with the word "fail" by the way? Are you a person who is afraid of failing? well you're certainly not edit: dafuzz: reheated pasta ceprese from the other day and a buttload of lawyer coffee, pretty chill morning
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:11:00 - [184] Originally by: The Mittani a buttload of lawyer coffee what kind of whiskey you like to use? i prefer a snort of jameson in mine. --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:13:00 - [185] bailey's irish cream because im a metrosexual with chrome glasses, sometimes jack, but mostly i just make espresso-strength drip coffee
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:16:00 - [186] cool, cool --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:17:00 - [187] Originally by: Marko Zhang Originally by: The Mittani a buttload of lawyer coffee what kind of whiskey you like to use? i prefer a snort of jameson in mine. I use Jameson's as a critical component in my ICB's at the Fuzz plantation. I read the whole original topic, and liked it. It was a good read. I too could make many additions, and I would have focused more on the formation of BoB, rather than current events, as these are fresh in everyone's mind. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:24:00 - [188] Originally by: Dafuzz I use Jameson's as a critical component in my ICB's at the Fuzz plantation. sup fellow jameson-in-the-coffee buddy --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:30:00 - [189] Originally by: Marko Zhang Originally by: Dafuzz I use Jameson's as a critical component in my ICB's at the Fuzz plantation. sup fellow jameson-in-the-coffee buddy Sup, also take the Bailey's that Mittens has, grab some Guiness, y'all come to Florida, we party. TWD can come too, and take all our money playing cards. ICB = Irish Car Bomb And, I hate Mittani for having pasta in the morning. Srsly, beats my Omelet. Goons own me in game and on forums and for breakfast BTW, Hardin, you should convo SirMolle. I hear he may have something to do with the Emperor's seat, mayhap you could work a deal. Amarr Victor and all that. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:35:00 - [190] Edited by: Marko Zhang on 01/12/2007 20:35:38 Originally by: Dafuzz y'all come to Florida already there, brosef. already there. Originally by: Dafuzz ICB = Irish Car Bomb best drink ever --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2

Euxinus DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:36:00 - [191] Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: The Mittani seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated The only thing that BoB appears to fail in this is, seeing where we have lost, failed, or have been publicly humiliated. Did you ever stop to think, that while it appears we have lost, failed, and been humiliated, that we have in fact won? Yes yes yes! This attitude! i was kinda missing the feeling. Thanks for reminding me what BoB is Dafuzz. Now i "get" BoB once again ______________________________________ Nice read and it seems all the wrong parts are corrected. Maybe we should do some threads like this where some objective guy posts a report and only involved parties diplos can comment under it to achive %99 accurate reports. Like this; objective narrator Alliance X then kicked alliance Y with 300 dreads popping 10 towers.. Alliance Y Diplo Enters It was 3 small mining towerz stfu! ------------------------------------- I am asking for too much i know hehe!
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 20:52:00 - [192] Originally by: Marko Zhang already there, brosef. already there. Bring it -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:23:00 - [193] Here some interesting, never before seen historic footage of some Goon vs BoB battles: War footage EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Divine Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:27:00 - [194] Originally by: Dafuzz y'all come to Florida Noooo. Keep the snowbirds away. People already suck at driving here, don't need to add more to the mess. Also: Nice read, Hardin. IOI - Earned In Blood
Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:26:00 - [195] Originally by: Idaeus Originally by: Dafuzz y'all come to Florida Noooo. Keep the snowbirds away. People already suck at driving here, don't need to add more to the mess. Also: Nice read, Hardin. QFT Road rage is the Miami's fav pastime :\
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:12:00 - [196] Originally by: Hardin IAC with the assistance of the Axiom Empire (AXE) alliance and their neighbours the Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA) had successfully ended the attack and peace broke out temporarily. You may wish to make it clear the CVA was a next-door neighbor of IAC, not of AXE. Originally by: Hardin Slowly but surely they were being forced back to the point where even there own capital system was being sieged. Please fix the "there" there. Nice writeup. Not perfect--as no reasonable-length description of a multiyear war ever could be--but a thousand times better than those produced by the self-serving pundits on either side. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Divine Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:15:00 - [197] Originally by: Monarch QFT Road rage is the Miami's fav pastime :\ Alas, I live in the Tampa Bay area, which is infested with seniors. So come this time of the year... I get senior snowbirds. GAH. I would have liked to add to this (as my own perspective is almost entirely northern based) but my corp and I (given the dubious title of 'lowsec pirate pussies' as we hammered a TRI gatecamp in Aunenen some time ago) had too narrow a field of view. We had fun blowing people up as they retreated out of the North trough "our" pipe, and bore witness to many of the "new North" alliances more concerned with hotdropping capitals on a 4 man battleship gang in lowsec instead of defending their territory in 0.0. IOI - Earned In Blood
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:17:00 - [198] Originally by: Idaeus Alas, I live in the Tampa Bay area, which is infested with seniors. So come this time of the year... I get senior snowbirds. GAH. QFT. Combine the 90 year old ladies driving the Cadillacs with the steroid-crazed white supremacists driving Bigfoot sized pickup trucks at 400MPH and its a recipe for disaster. Somebody do something. --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2

ISD Santiago Cortes Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2007.12.02 07:21:00 - [199] Cleaned Again. Not that it'll make much difference. At least attempt to stay on-topic. forum rules \| mailto:[email protected]

TheDevilsJury GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.02 12:38:00 - [200] That's a pretty good summary. You've kind of glossed over the back-and-forth conflict in the south since the fall of LV, got a few region names wrong (BoB never took any of Detorid, it was Omist and Tenerifis). The Fall of LV - The RSF is holding Omist, Tenerifis, Detorid and certain intrepid allies have made headway into BoB-held Feythabolis. End of March - BoB assault against C3-, a KOS station in Tenerifis. C3 fell, but was regained some weeks later. Early April - MC contract against the North - RSF stonewalled by BoB in Feyth and Querious End of April - BoB takes all of Omist and 9-9 in Tenerifis June - BoB is stonewalled in JV1V and XGH in Tenerifis. The farthest they pushed was shooting station services in 77S in Detorid. Quote: BoB now decided to take a hand and joined in the fight on the side of LV but it was too little too late and LV collapsed with the better elements being incorporated into BoB. Despite this the intervention of BoB and allies succeeded in slowing the RSF assault and indeed quickly began to retake former LV systems in Detorid. This front temporarily devolved into a bloody stalemate I would harldy have called it a stalemate as BoB rolled through Omist and Tenerifis quite quickly. Had they managed to contest Detorid and had they not lost their titan at this time, the state of this war would look dramatically different. July - Tenerifis and Omist recaptured, UNL enters the war in force. August to Present - slow capturing of the deep south by the RSF - Deep Catch falls to BoB, FIX, and MC The rest is pretty accurate apart from what other people have already pointed out.

General Tsao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.02 21:15:00 - [201] Nice post. The only thing I found particularly lacking (probably because I was personally involved in it) was the BoB invasion of omist and other regions. This was an extremely solid attack by BoB forces that very nearly drove RSF to the brink. The subsequent destruction of Shrike's titan provided the RSF with a tremendous morale boost and invigorated much of our forces. After that engagement the outcome of the war began to go in RSF's favor.
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.03 02:20:00 - [202] Nice write-up. It'd be good if various members of involved parties could, maybe, write up your views of the events covered and pass them along to Hardin, for a more detailed 2.0 version of this thread. Thumbs up all around. Now, TO THE QUOTEMOBILE!!! Originally by: fire 59 I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently. They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death...... A person and a person walk into a place. That's humour with the tragedy removed. While idiocy is endemic the world over, working yourself into a frenzy because people laugh at death of all flavours is truly incomprehensible to me. There is nothing in the world that people can't make fun of. There is nothing in the world that people won't make fun of. Personally, I think there is nothing in the world that people shouldn't make fun of. Complaining about it achieves nothing more than those people grabbing a stick to poke you with. Life can be sucky, deal with it, go live in a cave or kill yourself.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.03 02:57:00 - [203] Originally by: TheDevilsJury That's a pretty good summary. You've kind of glossed over the back-and-forth conflict in the south since the fall of LV, got a few region names wrong (BoB never took any of Detorid, it was Omist and Tenerifis). The Fall of LV - The RSF is holding Omist, Tenerifis, Detorid and certain intrepid allies have made headway into BoB-held Feythabolis. End of March - BoB assault against C3-, a KOS station in Tenerifis. C3 fell, but was regained some weeks later. Early April - MC contract against the North - RSF stonewalled by BoB in Feyth and Querious End of April - BoB takes all of Omist and 9-9 in Tenerifis June - BoB is stonewalled in JV1V and XGH in Tenerifis. The farthest they pushed was shooting station services in 77S in Detorid. Quote: BoB now decided to take a hand and joined in the fight on the side of LV but it was too little too late and LV collapsed with the better elements being incorporated into BoB. Despite this the intervention of BoB and allies succeeded in slowing the RSF assault and indeed quickly began to retake former LV systems in Detorid. This front temporarily devolved into a bloody stalemate I would harldy have called it a stalemate as BoB rolled through Omist and Tenerifis quite quickly. Had they managed to contest Detorid and had they not lost their titan at this time, the state of this war would look dramatically different. July - Tenerifis and Omist recaptured, UNL enters the war in force. August to Present - slow capturing of the deep south by the RSF - Deep Catch falls to BoB, FIX, and MC The rest is pretty accurate apart from what other people have already pointed out. With this change, it fits my (even more outside than Hardin's) read of the war quite well. Though I would suggest that the Great Northern War deserves a paragraph in the introduction of the piece. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
General Tsao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.03 03:20:00 - [204] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: Darkstar BP Edited by: Darkstar BP on 01/12/2007 00:09:42 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: The Mittani gotta say that the underlying motivation for a lot of our side of the war is a desire to extract posts like the one we just got out of people like sergeant spot and windypops some people fight for territory or isk or pride or honor, we're pretty much here to extract suffering and misery from bob and anyone on their side, to ruin their identity, ruin their fun, and all those other happy fun feelings good times, good times sips mojito I believe you. Its how low you sink to do achieve that which gives me problems. If you'd kept it IN GAME, I'd have only "in game" problems with you. Call it digging if you will. I call it principals. It's called metagaming; they are making involuntary love to your mind. Your team was once good at it, now gets outclassed big time. Please read back the comments the likes of DBP, Avon back in 2006. Maybe read back Molle's "I will dance on your dead corpse" post. BoB has been built on griefing, you get outgriefed now. Stop whining. Um, talking obout dancing on an enemy's corpse is "IN GAME" in Eve. Its why dead players leave a corpse. "In game" Learn what it means. Show me where any BoB ever threatened to dance on someone's RL corpse, and THEN (and only then) does your argument make sense. And you'd also have evidence of a RL crime, which you should report to CCP and depending on the details, maybe to your local RL police (no joke). Interesting, why was there no outrage when people that mocked the death of the player joined your alliance?
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.03 07:17:00 - [205] good question lagadu is a very important member of finfleet and a proud bob member yet he's made some threads in market orders that by all rights should have spot hiring mercenaries on him in real life this is why it is so fun to troll bob about their faux moral outrage, because the hypocrisy is comedy its almost like when they complain about 'their alliance being painted in broad brushstrokes due to the actions of one person' that one is almost as good as the lagadu one
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:30:00 - [206] Originally by: Darkstar BP Edited by: Darkstar BP on 01/12/2007 00:09:42 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: The Mittani gotta say that the underlying motivation for a lot of our side of the war is a desire to extract posts like the one we just got out of people like sergeant spot and windypops some people fight for territory or isk or pride or honor, we're pretty much here to extract suffering and misery from bob and anyone on their side, to ruin their identity, ruin their fun, and all those other happy fun feelings good times, good times sips mojito I believe you. Its how low you sink to do achieve that which gives me problems. If you'd kept it IN GAME, I'd have only "in game" problems with you. Call it digging if you will. I call it principals. It's called metagaming; they are making involuntary love to your mind. Your team was once good at it, now gets outclassed big time. Please read back the comments the likes of DBP, Avon back in 2006. Maybe read back Molle's "I will dance on your dead corpse" post. BoB has been built on griefing, you get outgriefed now. Stop whining. I have no love for how BoB conducted politics in Eve, but quite frankly goons just annoy me to such a level on these forums that I wouldn't mind them being banned from the forums. Sure BoB was arrogant in the past, but I prefer arrogant over ****** and downright rude (ie. posting gore pron and actually having the mayority of your alliance like that you did that). Quite frankly the phrase never argue with a ** on the internet, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience is quite a decent description of Goonswarm forum behaviour. But if you call that metagaming then I guess you are part of the ****s. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Mark Galean Ooops Inc. Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2007.12.03 11:43:00 - [207] I find the post quite 'nicely written' - it's not too shabby for the newcomers of the game that wants a "quick review" of what has been going on. Ofcourse, there will always be "errors" in such a post, but it's a decent read for newcomers, that is what counts imho. A suggestion might be to have the same information on the Eve-Online wiki, and for those interested write/edit the snippets that are wrong/needs additional information (and without destroying the "outside view" perspective?)... I was quite content with reading it at least - informative with some "bugs".
Artean Minmatar North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.03 12:40:00 - [208] Very good write-up! There is history created in EVE and it is a good thing that there are historians documenting it. Place it on the Wiki for further fine tuning! ........ When ever in doubt; troll.
Riley Craven Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:14:00 - [209] Originally by: The Mittani good question lagadu is a very important member of finfleet and a proud bob member yet he's made some threads in market orders that by all rights should have spot hiring mercenaries on him in real life this is why it is so fun to troll bob about their faux moral outrage, because the hypocrisy is comedy its almost like when they complain about 'their alliance being painted in broad brushstrokes due to the actions of one person' that one is almost as good as the lagadu one Id like to add a comment in regards to this line of discussion (though I freely admit from this point that it serves no purpose, and that I enjoy such fruitless endevors) (Also this post is from a bob grunt at the time) I was part of Sgt Spots. corp during the beginning of the Goon vs Bob conflict in syndicate. The funny thing is that before any of that happened I can remember much discussion on how goons would affect the game. For all most of bob cared (again from a grunt perspective) it seemed like you guys would have been a strong allaince to ally with and would one day (pending more sp) become a great allaince. Then the "joke" happened. While I dont pretend to know anything about leadership, or their plans for your allaince, from a grunt perspective ALOT of us were **ed off about the incident. Had not Bob declared War on you, a crap load of the pvpers would have just done the same thing none officially. The hate and anger was very much real on the Bob and internal forums... that much is clear since you would have db dumps of those forums from that time. The "moral highground" as you so like to put it was very real to pretty much all bob members (that I had contact with of course) at that time. As for the present, I am sure many Bob still hang on to that hate and anger from that incident, even despite the fact that they know you only do things just to make them angry. I know I still remember incidents from when I was a little kid that **ed me off that I would love to get revenge for. I dont see how that makes anyone deranged as everyone thats honest with themselves would be willing to admit that they harbor some of those old feelings as well. In any case, from my standpoint its very easy to judge your allaince as a whole because of you pretty much all act the same, which is insanely deranged little children. I've seen maybe a couple goons that have actually plied some thought to their actions (Hydrosan being one of them) I dont think you could say the same thing about Bob of then, nor could you say it of now. The only people you could accuse of that would be Bob leadership, and some of the vets that frequent these forums. Your allaince has some weird hive mind thing going on... Personally, I will never like the goons not because of that incident, but because of the insane amount of stupidity you guys continue to post. I guess the difference between myself and how other people choose to deal with you is that I just went to live in empire doing my own thing solo while watching events play out on the forums. Personally, I think if people just ignored you, the world would be a better place. Course considering this post from myself I dont think that will ever happen.
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:23:00 - [210] Originally by: The Mittani good question lagadu is a very important member of finfleet and a proud bob member yet he's made some threads in market orders that by all rights should have spot hiring mercenaries on him in real life this is why it is so fun to troll bob about their faux moral outrage, because the hypocrisy is comedy its almost like when they complain about 'their alliance being painted in broad brushstrokes due to the actions of one person' that one is almost as good as the lagadu one Legadu is an important member of finfleet? When did this happen? (Read: He's barely member of finfl let alone an important one) But yeh his market orders discussion was pretty pathetic. As for the 'brushstrokes' everyone is guilty of that, but thats life :)



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