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Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 08:42:00 - [151] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Actually, the OP covers the incident I reference. Sense no one has contested that part of his post, I guess that means you agree with my main points? I must be such a horrible and mentally unstable person for refusing to EVER laugh off such things like you wonderfully stable goons do. You must be wonderfully entertained by all this. After all, you tell us all so often how you find these replys to be wonderfully funny. Serious question: How SHOULD I be responding to someone dragging such crap into the game? (Pretty sure you are going to tell me I'm the bad guy for refusing to let folks forget WHY BoB decided to "remove" the goons. Probably gonna tell me I should "let it rest", and at the same time say all of BoB is horrible because of T20....) YouÆre not unstable because you donÆt laugh at tasteless humour. What makes you unstable is the fact that you are droning on like a fanatic. Step away from the keyboard and go outside, have a beer with some of your m8Æs. Life is too short to be so angry.
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 09:20:00 - [152] http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=377429 Originally by: Sergeant Spot on the 14th of August 2006 Goons will exist in 6 months. Goons will operate here and there in 6 months. Goons will NOT be permitted to be a sigificant force in 6 months. If they start becoming significant, they will be crushed again when boB feels like it. Thus, BoB's objective will be met. Sergeant Spot broke his promise.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 09:41:00 - [153] Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 30/11/2007 23:17:13 Originally by: Berrik Radhok why don't you go headbutt a lorry about it I can't believe you seriously posted that. I also hope that none of your loved ones ever suffer from an accident, and you remember posting a sick comment like that. And @ Mittani - do you seriously believe that posts like this are just 'amusing' and that people should 'calm down' about these kind of comments? You're some guy. Seriously. Wow. speak up boy I'm having a hard time hearing you past that hood ornament embedded in your skull

ISD Valorem Amarr ISD STAR	Posted - 2007.12.01 10:55:00 - [154] Thread cleaned again. Troll, flame and spam posts removed. Also note that conversations between alts trying to derail the thread have been deleted. Consequently all replies have also been removed. forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Ramlir 0.0 Corp	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:37:00 - [155] Originally by: Sergeant Spot on the 14th of August 2006 Goons will exist in 6 months. Goons will operate here and there in 6 months. Goons will NOT be permitted to be a sigificant force in 6 months. If they start becoming significant, they will be crushed again when boB feels like it. Thus, BoB's objective will be met. This is it. The final nail in the Goon coffin. Fived.
FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:41:00 - [156] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Propaganda You eat too much of your own propaganda... Keep bashing that point, it will take you places...
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:00:00 - [157] Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 01/12/2007 04:18:51 Originally by: Sergeant Spot I must be such a horrible and mentally unstable person for refusing to EVER laugh off such things like you wonderfully stable goons do. You must be wonderfully entertained by all this. After all, you tell us all so often how you find these replys to be wonderfully funny. Serious question: How SHOULD I be responding to someone dragging such crap into the game? You are, unfortunately, a whole lot less tolerant than any GS member. Your attitude of going ballistic and calling for Jihad over a poor joke can be compared to the ones of religious fanatics reactions over unfunny caricatures. I might not find every jokes gs members make funny, nor would I be making that kind of jokes but I will certainly not take seriously something that is not supposed to be taken seriously, especialy in a video game. It is unfortunate that you fail to aknowledge people with different backgrounds, coming from different communities can look at things and think differently than you do. Worse than that, you decided to take action in-game for a completely out of game reason. You decided to change the course of New Eden for real world reasons, more than anything this has destroyed the image of the "roleplaying BoB leadership". Do not come and whine when game players just want to get rid of you and forget the whole thing ever happened. I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently. They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Serenity Steele Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:03:00 - [158] My compliments on an Excellent and succinct summary of the Events of the last 2 years. It's always hard to strike a balance between broad strokes and detail in history of this style, and I really like how you managed it. Having intimate knowledge in every event you mention, you've covered it all. A few minor inaccuracies due to the summary level at which it's written, but this could only be corrected by writing in-depth, which as I see it wasn't the intent. Bravo Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - Sovereign Systems - Alliance Rank
Ramlir 0.0 Corp	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:13:00 - [159] Originally by: fire 59 I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently. They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death...... It's funny when it incites posts like these. You are so laughably slow, ask Dafuzz.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:14:00 - [160] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 01/12/2007 12:16:25 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 01/12/2007 04:18:51 Originally by: Sergeant Spot I must be such a horrible and mentally unstable person for refusing to EVER laugh off such things like you wonderfully stable goons do. You must be wonderfully entertained by all this. After all, you tell us all so often how you find these replys to be wonderfully funny. Serious question: How SHOULD I be responding to someone dragging such crap into the game? You are, unfortunately, a whole lot less tolerant than any GS member. Your attitude of going ballistic and calling for Jihad over a poor joke can be compared to the ones of religious fanatics reactions over unfunny caricatures. I might not find every jokes gs members make funny, nor would I be making that kind of jokes but I will certainly not take seriously something that is not supposed to be taken seriously, especialy in a video game. It is unfortunate that you fail to aknowledge people with different backgrounds, coming from different communities can look at things and think differently than you do. Worse than that, you decided to take action in-game for a completely out of game reason. You decided to change the course of New Eden for real world reasons, more than anything this has destroyed the image of the "roleplaying BoB leadership". Do not come and whine when game players just want to get rid of you and forget the whole thing ever happened. I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently. They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death...... Muhammad cartoons should be forbidden. And JC ones too, of course. 2isk

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:20:00 - [161] Originally by: Ramlir Originally by: fire 59 I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently. They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death...... It's funny when it incites posts like these. You are so laughably slow, ask Dafuzz. I was going to do a long flame post pointing out how (insert some fotm insult here) you are but instead i'll just fill my troll reply quota by saying hi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:14:00 - [162] Edited by: Scavok on 01/12/2007 13:15:07 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 01/12/2007 04:18:51 Originally by: Sergeant Spot I must be such a horrible and mentally unstable person for refusing to EVER laugh off such things like you wonderfully stable goons do. You must be wonderfully entertained by all this. After all, you tell us all so often how you find these replys to be wonderfully funny. Serious question: How SHOULD I be responding to someone dragging such crap into the game? You are, unfortunately, a whole lot less tolerant than any GS member. Your attitude of going ballistic and calling for Jihad over a poor joke can be compared to the ones of religious fanatics reactions over unfunny caricatures. I might not find every jokes gs members make funny, nor would I be making that kind of jokes but I will certainly not take seriously something that is not supposed to be taken seriously, especialy in a video game. It is unfortunate that you fail to aknowledge people with different backgrounds, coming from different communities can look at things and think differently than you do. Worse than that, you decided to take action in-game for a completely out of game reason. You decided to change the course of New Eden for real world reasons, more than anything this has destroyed the image of the "roleplaying BoB leadership". Do not come and whine when game players just want to get rid of you and forget the whole thing ever happened. I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently. They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death...... It's usually not the original comment that's funny, it's the response. Internet spaceship moral warriors is a pretty funny concept if you ask me, and nearly all of eve hopped on this bandwagon. Getting the most powerful alliance in the game to camp empty NPC stations 23 hours a day for a month, buy any random **** you put on the market, and brag about shuttle kills on the forum is a pretty good too. Then there were the DBP and molle posts that only got more funny with time.
Nuyan Zahedi Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:23:00 - [163] Thanks for the history lesson.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:26:00 - [164] The area only became empty after the super hard near invincible internet hardmen who fear no loss, um, died and ran off. You had plenty of ships but chose to remain docked and most simply ran into empire, and they got war decced there as well for laughs. Although the internet means people can do whatever they want without repurcussions (upto a point, hello officer etc) , there are human beings behind the avatars who act and respond in human ways.Well, most anyway, goonswarm don't really fall into that category . I wonder if the ones who find it hilarious would be the first to laugh about it to a family member of someone who passed, or pointed and laughed about it to someone down the pub. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Muro Deez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:50:00 - [165] Edited by: Muro Deez on 01/12/2007 13:51:31 Edited by: Muro Deez on 01/12/2007 13:50:23 Originally by: fire 59 The area only became empty after the super hard near invincible internet hardmen who fear no loss, um, died and ran off. You had plenty of ships but chose to remain docked and most simply ran into empire, and they got war decced there as well for laughs. Although the internet means people can do whatever they want without repurcussions (upto a point, hello officer etc) , there are human beings behind the avatars who act and respond in human ways.Well, most anyway, goonswarm don't really fall into that category . I wonder if the ones who find it hilarious would be the first to laugh about it to a family member of someone who passed, or pointed and laughed about it to someone down the pub. I give you permission to make jokes when I die. Honestly, I'd rather people laugh about death than get all depressed about it, and I bet I'm not the only one. e; moral highground e;e; i just asked my sister if i could make jokes at her funeral and she was like yeah sure it's not like i'll be able to care kablammo
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:53:00 - [166] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 01/12/2007 13:53:49 Originally by: fire 59 The area only became empty after the super hard near invincible internet hardmen who fear no loss, um, died and ran off. You had plenty of ships but chose to remain docked and most simply ran into empire, and they got war decced there as well for laughs. Although the internet means people can do whatever they want without repurcussions (upto a point, hello officer etc) , there are human beings behind the avatars who act and respond in human ways.Well, most anyway, goonswarm don't really fall into that category . I wonder if the ones who find it hilarious would be the first to laugh about it to a family member of someone who passed, or pointed and laughed about it to someone down the pub. Bob was the first to smack anything they cross. It's a clumsy backfire. It's been two years now. Maybe there is some guys that don't know your friend who passed that might have sometimes joked about it. Well. Impossible. Not your ennemies. 2isk
enjoi Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 14:08:00 - [167] Really nice write up Hardin, thanks. Real men Structure tank.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 14:12:00 - [168] Edited by: Scavok on 01/12/2007 14:14:11 Originally by: fire 59 The area only became empty after the super hard near invincible internet hardmen who fear no loss, um, died and ran off. You had plenty of ships but chose to remain docked and most simply ran into empire, and they got war decced there as well for laughs. Although the internet means people can do whatever they want without repurcussions (upto a point, hello officer etc) , there are human beings behind the avatars who act and respond in human ways.Well, most anyway, goonswarm don't really fall into that category . I wonder if the ones who find it hilarious would be the first to laugh about it to a family member of someone who passed, or pointed and laughed about it to someone down the pub. Most members had only minor assets left in S-U since we burned through everything while fighting for cloud ring, and when we pulled out of XZH BoB was already camping S-U so aside from the carebears who never left in the first place, there was never much time for anyone to rebuild any significant amount of assets there. Within a few days each squad in goonswarm relocated to a different area of syndicate or nearby lowsec and we were nearly completely undisturbed. When BoB declared victory and pulled out we had already moved back in within a day. We also wardecced every major alliance that didn't wardec us first, so it's not like BoB's made any difference.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 15:26:00 - [169] Originally by: Sergeant Spot My own hatred of goons is based on one, and only one incident: They dragged a RL tragedy into the game, refused to face the issue beyond a few weak excuse attempts, and then proceeded to try and shift blame to the folks that called them on it for the crime of calling them on it. Actually goons "dragged" it onto their personal private forums, bob dragged it into the game.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 15:29:00 - [170] To all the Goons and Goon friends: It seems I am mentally unstable because of my fixation on the incident that enraged BoB against Goons in the first place. It seems that my refusal to let it go is a mark of an unbalanced mind. What about T20 fixations? Play nice while you butcher each other.

Hitman396 Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.01 15:38:00 - [171] Nice read, and considering it's from an outsider pretty accurate too :)
Ramlir 0.0 Corp	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:48:00 - [172] Originally by: Sergeant Spot To all the Goons and Goon friends: It seems I am mentally unstable because of my fixation on the incident that enraged BoB against Goons in the first place. It seems that my refusal to let it go is a mark of an unbalanced mind. What about T20 fixations? Look at this ownage right here. 'I'm a fgt? Hmm, maybe it is you who is a fgt?' smug grin, knowing nod, leans back, dons shades
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.12.01 17:39:00 - [173] Originally by: Sergeant Spot What about T20 fixations? Actually, you are the only one in this thread that mentioned t20 :V
Howling Jinn Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:17:00 - [174] nice writeup to mr spot. dear god man..
Urrorur Eternum Guild Transportation Group	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:06:00 - [175] I don't think you 'get' Urrorur.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:12:00 - [176] Originally by: KIATolon Actually goons "dragged" it onto their personal private forums, bob dragged it into the game. This is pretty key right here.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:42:00 - [177] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: KIATolon Actually goons "dragged" it onto their personal private forums, bob dragged it into the game. This is pretty key right here. I see two groups of people on your side replying to this argument. The first group tries to justify it and the second tries to deny or downplay it. I believe that its important to have respect for human life. We did not want to see an internet culture that does not have these values 'contaminate' the community we value, in the game we love to play. That was all there was to it. Obviously now, that did not work out the way we wanted.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:45:00 - [178] Originally by: TWD I see two groups of people on your side replying to this argument. The first group tries to justify it and the second tries to deny or downplay it. I believe that its important to have respect for human life. We did not want to see an internet culture that does not have these values 'contaminate' the community we value, in the game we love to play. That was all there was to it. Obviously now, that did not work out the way we wanted. seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated please post more and get spot back to posting tia and see about getting galavet in on this, you gal and spot are on about the same level of incoherent moral outrage
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:51:00 - [179] Originally by: Mittani seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated please post more and get spot back to posting tia and see about getting galavet in on this, you gal and spot are on about the same level of incoherent moral outrage What is your obsession with the word "fail" by the way? Are you a person who is afraid of failing?
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:56:00 - [180] Originally by: The Mittani seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated The only thing that BoB appears to fail in this is, seeing where we have lost, failed, or have been publicly humiliated. Or do any of these even matter? We have constantly invited people to come kill us, gangbang us, invade us, throw fruit at us, and sling crap at us on the forums. We have people posting that invite that, you goon folks just beat each other to the punch. You are basically better organized at forums. Did you ever stop to think, that while it appears we have lost, failed, and been humiliated, that we have in fact won? -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..



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