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JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:48:00 - [31] Why do I feel like I got "forum ganked"? Any ways - smoking by window bad...smoking at computer - Excellent ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Lmao for a bunch of self proclaimed forum warriors none of you are very good at spotting trolls. I never use sarcasm, ever __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:52:00 - [33] Non-online games are dangerous as well. I already requested at id-software to remove the hell knights out of Doom3. WINSAUCE
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:59:00 - [34] Edited by: WarlockX on 03/12/2007 21:06:43 Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! Ok, good idea, and because you're so close to this infinatly powerful bomb you blow up too! I rather like this idea, means you can gank freighters in high sec in a frigate, woo woo, go concord infinity bomb! /sign better yet, might as well make god come down and crush your ship because he doesnt like you attacking carebears and then shouts "thou have sinned" "evil doer repent!" and afterwords he reaches into your screen and slaps you then grabs you hand and makes you write a letter of appology to the would be victim ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:00:00 - [35] The replies to this thread are more entertaining than the original OP.
mamisonga	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:00:00 - [36] read this http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Kolmogorow So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Sure, but first you need to train Asbestos Suit V. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Aaron --Rules of Haulage-- 1, NEVER, EVER, EVER use autopilot when hauling valuable cargo. 2, NEVER, ever, ever, ever, go afk. 3, Fit a cloak, cloak when u enter system, double click up or down, then half a second later turn on your cloak. if u stick to busy trade routes you will get lost in the crowd of ships. fly away from possible gankers to 40km. and then initiate warp. 4, Never warp to within 15km of gate. 5, Do not complain on forum if you lose expensive cargo by not following these simple, logical rules. I just talked with a Dev (or was it a voice in my head, I'm not sure) and he decided to change that to the NEW RULES OF HIGH-SEC HAULAGE: 1. Use your Autopilot because it is designed for autopiloting 2. Go afk whenever you want. Nothing can happen to you when autopiloting through high sec. (If something happens it's a bug, we reimburse, except in case of natural disasters) 3. Cloaks are fully integrated into the Autopilot, no user interaction necessary. 4. Autopilot-Warp to 15 km is OUT! Autopilot-Warp to 0 is IN! 5. We let the self destruction button unchanged to leave enough room for complaining on the forum after hitting that button accidentally.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:50:00 - [39] LOL. This thread has leskunks seal of approval. (nb this will ensure its immediate nerfing) SKUNK
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:51:00 - [40] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:56:56 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:52:42 Originally by: Kolmogorow This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. Didn't read beyond first few responses so I'll just say WIN It's what happens when people don't spot sarcasm. Originally by: Kolmogorow Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability Win++ God I wish there was a way I could compress the first page of this thread into a sig. Edit: I need to reiterate how win this is. Were the first lot of posters all asleep or something? I mean, wow. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:53:00 - [41] Smoking kills haulers ! Stop smoking now C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Doppler Shift Red 42	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:58:00 - [42] I see what you did there. Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. The first response, from Tarminic of all people! You are my hero for today... iskies on their way once I get to a real computer. Originally by: Kolmogorow pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:56:56 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:52:42 Originally by: Kolmogorow This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. Didn't read beyond first few responses so I'll just say WIN It's what happens when people don't spot sarcasm. Originally by: Kolmogorow Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability Win++ God I wish there was a way I could compress the first page of this thread into a sig. Edit: I need to reiterate how win this is. Were the first lot of posters all asleep or something? I mean, wow. We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. ironic? __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:06:00 - [46] More like sarcastic, but, meh... C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. ironic? Yes, ironic. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. ironic? Yes, ironic. This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: Quote: Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. While, like Akita said, parts of it are closer to sarcasm, I would consider this a use of true irony, as I could just imagine a carebear saying it seriously. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: dead on sir __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?

Che Molex	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Check the label - " MMORPG " Smoking by the window ? You Failed your role. Check the EVE ads and reviews - EVE is PvP. Even I, whose main is primaryly 'CareBear' knows I have to pay attention and stay out of trouble. It really blows that you ( or anyone else ) would hope to Nerf the game rather than step up and Play It. o/
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! This won the moment anyone replied. trollicious Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:21:00 - [53] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:21:21 Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: dead on sir Whut? Also, people are still responding as if this was a real post, further win occuring. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:24:00 - [54] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:21:21 Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: dead on sir Whut? Also, people are still responding as if this was a real post, further win occuring. Yea, trolls are being devoured alive in here. Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
SUPER J0SH	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:38:00 - [55] surprised no ones gone here yet.... Smoking can kill you!
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:55:00 - [56] ZOMG this thread is hilarious! The OP is hardcore about defending his completely illogical stance. To the OP: Seriously, man, I can't even start. Meh. Its not even worth my time. Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:11:00 - [57] The lesson there is don't afk haul in a paper thin ship with phat lootz in it. Learn from it or die (ingame) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:27:00 - [58] Originally by: fire 59 The lesson there is don't afk haul in a paper thin ship with phat lootz in it. Learn from it or die (ingame) No just die(justdie)
Nathanan	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:59:00 - [59] I give the OP 9 out of 10. Enough biting sarcasm to make his point brilliantly, and yet subtle enough that half the people on this board were fooled. Bravo, sir, and I look forward to more of your work.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Kolmogorow So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. This confirmed the troll for me.



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