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Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:14:00 - [121] Edited by: Taurequis on 07/12/2007 17:16:36 Originally by: Kaaii Edited by: Kaaii on 04/12/2007 21:02:20 Has anyone ever survived a gank attempt, using the ingame tools avialable? I'm not talking scouting, nor gank avoidance,or logging the freighter, but pure planning v the gank squad? Ie You trip the gankers up with commands, logs and implants? Ive never read of any account, so i ask. A lot of ha ha we ganked a freighter. So I'm wondering if really the only way to not loose a freighter is just to scout? Don't jump a gate with more than 5 BS on other side? Is that the vaunted tools spoken of here? Hi, The other day i was flying to Jita to pick up a ship interface worth 700 mil. I figured id play it more careful since the last time i tried to pickup anything of value i got ganked (my rigged ceptor, not afk, obelisk bpo, smartbombed and jump in ). So i took my covert ops and stuck a secure can in its hold. To make things a little bit more interesting i stuck 50 odd tier 2 bc bpc in the can. So I fly off to jita, not afk as such but just letting it cruise up to the gates. About 1 jump out on the way to jita, a tech 1 cruiser and frigate lock me, pop most of my shields and half my hull in the first volley. I , not afk, switch on the two invun field II and the damage control i had cunningly fitted and pat my small shield extender II with a smile on my face. Watching the pretty fireworks. I do agree that insurance should be taken off for this type of thing. Beyond that i don't see what ccp can do. Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. With your ganker using the full range of cheap tech 1 ships they can get away with. As much as i hate it, i'm just learning to deal with it. Its the ore theft of the modern era. Scum, but you generally can do bugger all. Best Regards, Taur p.s On the way back from Jita with the 700 mil of cargo I did warp to 0 cloaked for every gate to my home system, just incase. p.p.s I'm thinking about dusting off my Claymore with fat passive tank to bring back that Afk hauling love.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:31:00 - [122] Originally by: Taurequis Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec?
N'irrti Amarr PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:35:00 - [123] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. cant be quoted enough
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware - Oveur
dust monkey Minmatar Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:55:00 - [125] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Taurequis Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec? YES --- the cake is a lie..
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:12:00 - [126] Originally by: dust monkey Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Taurequis Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec? YES My hauler had around 5% of armor and 1% of hull compared to a freighter and the battleship attacking me popped at the same time than my ship. How should it be possible to kill a freighter in High Sec? If so, it's obviously a bug because freighters are designed to be untouchable in High Sec.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:20:00 - [127] it can be done, it just takes a lot more BS's to pop the freighter... I seem to remember it took 34 seconds or so with a bunch of Domi's --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:32:00 - [128] Originally by: Hamfast ...34 seconds... Bah, as I said: CONCORD is too slow and too weak.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:58:00 - [129] CONCORD will now respond to aggressing drones during criminal acts by deactivating a pilot's capability to control them. ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Centurion 2	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:14:00 - [130] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Hamfast ...34 seconds... Bah, as I said: CONCORD is too slow and too weak. I agree on this one. Unlike 0.0, you depend on Concord to protect your investment. Way too weak. The new corps. specializing in this can insta-pop a hauler easily.
Ga'len The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:18:00 - [131] Edited by: Ga''len on 07/12/2007 21:17:53 No. Game mechanic, works as intended. EVE has a simple concept at it's core, "Risk versus Reward." If you RISK going AFK, then your REWARD someone else with the loot. If you RISK suicide ganking, you REWARD Concord with your destroyed ship. There are plenty of things you can do to ensure that you don't loose out on your cargo. Be smart when you move your stuff around, never go AFK unless you are docked. I am sorry, but this not a dev problem, it's YOUR problem for taking such a RISK.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:54:00 - [132] While I strongly support the idea of changing the math of suicide ganking (its silly that a ship with even a moderate value cargo is MORE at risk in 0.5+ than in 0.0), I'd change ONLY the math (by changing insurance). Play nice while you butcher each other.
Darcel Black Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:01:00 - [133] Well, you know what they say. Smoking kills. -Darcel
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:02:00 - [134] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot .... <stuff> .... As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.... <more stuff> Excellent post. I have to agree that there should be a mechanism for popping out for a smoke, pouring your next drinkie, etc while still flying through space and not dying. Maybe an 'away for a smoke, or a drink' icon can be applied that lasts for 5 minutes and renders you invulnerable and can be used once every 30mins or so. Apologies to chain smokers or drinkers, but more than once in 30 mins is too exploitable. Cheers, Ruf. Yeah, if only there were some kind of safe harbour or "space station" where one could "dock" one's ship. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Carolina Sky	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:07:00 - [135] i agree the suicide ganking needs to be looked into , as it stands the gankers get all the rewards for no risk , cause insurance covers them, something needs to be done
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:11:00 - [136] Originally by: Carolina Sky ...the gankers get all the rewards for no risk , cause insurance covers them... Hahaha, I didn't know that they get insurance payout. Now it becomes even more ridiculous. What is the insurance fee for a battleship? I don't know, 20 Mil or something like that? So with goods in cargo space worth a bit more than this insurance fee suicide ganking starts to be profitable and it even doesn't hurt the ganker so much to do it just for fun. Obviously the game fails at high sec travelling. Why isn't the Autopilot removed, it is useless.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:22:00 - [137] what are you whining about? concord just got boosted again and the weapon of choice - see drone boat dominix - has been effectively balanced for suicide ganking ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:29:00 - [138] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Incorrect. There is one thing wrong with suicide ganking: There are NO REPURCUSSIONS for the suicider. A pittance of a sec loss, the looting ship is some dumb alt. Typically the suicider is also some dumb alt. Make the main on the account take the sec hit. Make concord guard the loot for x period of time (anyone but the owning corp, or one at war with them, loots the wreck = concordoken). Remove insurance payouts for concord losses. Freeze alt slots on accounts - no recycling of alts with negative standings (you want to suicide and toss alts? Go rat them up to 0.0 sec status before you can purge them!!) especually alts less than a month old with severe negative standings.
Chromakey Dreamcoat Caldari Model Of Aggression	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:18:00 - [139] lol seems like many have been ganked by the op in this thread.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:20:00 - [140] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Tarminic for the win. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Tivookz Caldari The Singularity Amalgamation Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:49:00 - [141] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Smoking kills. This. He beat me to it.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.12.08 16:13:00 - [142] * sigh * Suicide ganking is a legit tactic, all fine there. Only change that might make sense is to remove insurance payout for ships destroyed by concord. Maybe CCP will agree with this sometime and change it, maybe not.
Violine Ming Gallente Apostles of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:20:00 - [143] Edited by: Violine Ming on 10/12/2007 01:20:54 /signed Insurance game mechanic for suiciders is r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d. My only complaint. I don't mind it happening (suicide ganking that is) but rewarding the ganker is fecking stupid.
Richard Aiel Caldari DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:29:00 - [144] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. pure win... High sec = high sec not "perfectly safe" Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:41:00 - [145] This thread is epic failure. Nothing wrong with suicide ganking. Use a transport or a tanked BS to haul valuables. t1 haulers are for hauling voluminous amounts of low-value stuff.
Odeweaver	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:43:00 - [146] Haha, I learned this lesson while hauling a covert ops skill book and the cruise missile skill book in a brand new omen, I only went afk while on autopilot in atlar because lunch didn't agree with me and I thought i was going to **** myself
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:49:00 - [147] So five pages and one week later, and you still haven't worked out the OP is winding you up?
Violine Ming Gallente Apostles of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:54:00 - [148] Originally by: Cipher7 This thread is epic failure. Nothing wrong with suicide ganking. Use a transport or a tanked BS to haul valuables. t1 haulers are for hauling voluminous amounts of low-value stuff. This isn't just highsec hauling. I'm not a hauler. Suicide ganking isn't limmited to just haulers.... Again, suicide ganking is fine. Fix the re-tard-ed insurance payout.
Roger Douglas Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:00:00 - [149] The Forum-Fu is strong with this OP...
Valea Wrath Of Khaine	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:34:00 - [150] YOU LOST THE GAME --- signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])

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