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Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:38:00 - [1] Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:41:00 - [2] FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Mira O'karr Minmatar Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. this
Katell	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:44:00 - [4] YOU WIN! :) I wholeheartedly agree and people who don't understand the irony in OP should be awarded with a date with BB
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Tarminic ...carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Yes, but I do that afk.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:46:00 - [6] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 03/12/2007 19:46:29 Originally by: Tarminic FAIL EDIT On a side note.... Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL FAILSAUCE __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Krashtest Exploratory Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:52:00 - [8] If you want to go afk , there is a mechanism in game which allows that. IT IS CALLED DOCKING. If the person who shot you wanted to go afk , he would have missed this golden opportunity. If you cannot afford to lose what you are hauling, use a safer hauler (transport ship) and DO NOT GO AFK and expect to be 100 % safe. You brought this upon yourself by making yourself a very easy target.
Lothros Andastar Gallente Imperium Forces United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Tarminic FAIL FAILSAUCE FAILSAUCE WITH A SIDE OF WTFPWN I have no sympathy for you. if you had any brains you'd realise that going AFK in space anywhere = the risk of being popped. Also hauling 500m of stuff in a t1 hauler? you sir do fail. As for a critical response to your well formatted post, all I can say if your too whiny even for WoW. Hello Kitty Online is where you belong Originally by: CCP Sharkbait i'm using vista 3bit business and i have no problems at all with most things really, including Eve.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:58:00 - [10] Ok, I could say go and play Hello Kitty but that won't work. I recommend if you want a safe game play a non-online game. Now, to be a little more constructive... Option 1 - Unless they are eating Donuts and almost all of us have seen that message, Concord does arrive quickly and does damage quickly. I have witnessed this on more than one occassion. It is a really impressive light show. Anyways, they don't need to adjust when they arrive. As for hitting harder, they hit really hard. As you noticed the BS was not able to warp away and was destroyed. Option 2 - Look, I will be one of the first ones to admit I AFK fly all the time. I don't want to babysit 29 jumps - 22 if I go through low sec. I know the risks that are involved. What you are asking is to AFK without any risks what so ever. What is the point of playing the game then? Solutions: If you don't like losing stuff I recommend the following options... Option 1 - Don't Fly AFK Option 2 - Fly a ship that can defend itself or at least be able to tank the suicide gankers until Concord gets done with them. Option 3 - Don't play the Game. Final advice, remember it is a game. There are risks and rewards for just about everything including your situation. You ask for proof? Here you go - If you would have made it to your final destination your reward is that you get to keep and use the stuff you have. The risk is flying there. The gankers reward - whatever is in your cargohold. The risk is hoping that the stuff doesn't get destroyed in the process of destroying you. You said yourself, after you lost your ship most of the stuff was gone and he lost his BS and all the fittings. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!

MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:59:00 - [11] I love suicide gank whines. They make me laugh. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:05:00 - [12] Re-read the original post. Surely this is a tongue in cheek dig at all the carebear moaners. Either way it is ROFL
UPA Terf Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:12:00 - [13] clearly a joke...and very funny one at that..
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:13:00 - [14] I too am a Carebear. I too am subject being suicide ganked. I have yet to get ganked, even when travelling through high-risk areas. Why? I fit a tank which will give me more time. (I don't have to kill a single ganker, just outlive them) I don't AFK, denying the gankers a chance to scan my cargo before trying the gank. (Going for the gank without knowing the cargo is....not smart) If you absolutly MUST go AFK while hauling, you're going to need a HEAVY F'ING TANK on your hauler. Forget weapons. Sacrifice a little cargo space if necessary. Focus on survival before worrying about how much you can haul this run. If you can't be bothered to fit the bloody tank, just save everyone the trouble and jettison your cargo when you undock. It'll hurt you much less. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:14:00 - [15] Smoking kills. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Taius Pax	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:14:00 - [16] Edited by: Taius Pax on 03/12/2007 20:15:45 Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. ultra fail. no point reading further.
Aaron	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:14:00 - [17] to the op. --Rules of Haulage-- 1, NEVER, EVER, EVER use autopilot when hauling valuable cargo. 2, NEVER, ever, ever, ever, go afk. 3, Fit a cloak, cloak when u enter system, double click up or down, then half a second later turn on your cloak. if u stick to busy trade routes you will get lost in the crowd of ships. fly away from possible gankers to 40km. and then initiate warp. 4, Never warp to within 15km of gate. 5, Do not complain on forum if you lose expensive cargo by not following these simple, logical rules. Im sorry dude but i have no sympathy for you, I would have sympathy for you if u got bumped out of cloaking when u jumped into system however, its just that ive read like 100 people complaing about suicide ganks and they havent followed these simple rules. Never quit, fly safe.
Aaron	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:17:00 - [18] and why do people try to fit a tank to give them more time? ITS POINTLESS AND IT WILL NEVER WORK!!! just think outside the box a little.
Colonel Dearing	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:26:00 - [19] how boring would the game be if all the mechanics mentioned were bought in. how boring would the game be with no risk at all while in high sec. Suicide ganking is part of the game, accept it. like everyone has said dont fly afk with expensive items.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:29:00 - [20] Originally by: JamnOne I recommend if you want a safe game play a non-online game. Non-online games are dangerous as well. I already requested at id-software to remove the hell knights out of Doom3. Originally by: JamnOne Concord does arrive quickly and does damage quickly. Not quick and hard enough to protect me. If it would have been the case I wouldn't need the game change. Originally by: JamnOne What you are asking is to AFK without any risks what so ever. What is the point of playing the game then? I am only talking about high sec. Originally by: JamnOne Option 1 - Don't Fly AFK But I want. That's why the game change is necessary. Originally by: JamnOne Option 2 - Fly a ship that can defend itself or at least be able to tank the suicide gankers until Concord gets done with them. I need the cargo space. So only freighters, Indies and transport ships are possible. Freighters are too slow, the Blockade runners' cargohold is too small. Then the Indies and the big transport ships are an option. But with the requested changes it doesn't matter anymore. Originally by: JamnOne Option 3 - Don't play the Game. Why that? I am trying to improve the game with my proposal. Originally by: JamnOne Final advice, remember it is a game. I know. And it's a good one! But it could be even better if I could afk smoke at the window.

Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:31:00 - [21] There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now). That's the only real change I would support. Highsec ganking is fine, but some of the risk should be put back on the pirates. Right now highsec ganking is totally risk-free (aside from all the good stuff going kaboom) to the pirates, it just takes patience. ----- My in Eve Profile
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:35:00 - [22] Edited by: Ulstan on 03/12/2007 20:36:04 Quote: pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. This is one of the most excellent troll threads I've ever seen. A+++. Edit: good lord a lot of you fell for this thread. Can you not see what is going on here? Try not to be so eager to leap out all serious like with the flames. Ah well.
Skiving Larry Utopia Psychopharmacology	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:35:00 - [23] Quote: pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Kolmogorow Not quick and hard enough to protect me. If it would have been the case I wouldn't need the game change. Someone has this signature, or some variation of it, and I suggest you understand it: Concord provides consequences, not protection. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:39:00 - [25] Edited by: Waxau on 03/12/2007 20:42:20 To continue on... *Ive got a lovely bunch of...* FAIL
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Kessiaan There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now). I have even kill rights over one month against the pirate. But I won't make use of them I think. He seems to be a friendly guy, we almost had a deal selling him a new battleship but his sec status dropped and he can't enter my manufacturing system anymore after attacking me. CONCORD should allow that after a personal invitation.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:43:00 - [27] Lmao for a bunch of self proclaimed forum warriors none of you are very good at spotting trolls. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Kessiaan There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now). I have even kill rights over one month against the pirate. But I won't make use of them I think. He seems to be a friendly guy, we almost had a deal selling him a new battleship but his sec status dropped and he can't enter my manufacturing system anymore after attacking me. CONCORD should allow that after a personal invitation. Yes. I agree. I will personally invite all the -10 sec status pirates I know to jita. For a fee. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:45:00 - [29] Are you guys for real? How can you not sense the irony here! Totaly agree with the OP and has a fresh way of delivering his point. _______________________________________________
Daemesa D'Aragon	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:45:00 - [30] as been suggested a lot of times, high sec gankers must not recover insurance from ships if concord blows them. aside of that tarminic does this way better tbh.

JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:48:00 - [31] Why do I feel like I got "forum ganked"? Any ways - smoking by window bad...smoking at computer - Excellent ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Lmao for a bunch of self proclaimed forum warriors none of you are very good at spotting trolls. I never use sarcasm, ever __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:52:00 - [33] Non-online games are dangerous as well. I already requested at id-software to remove the hell knights out of Doom3. WINSAUCE
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.03 20:59:00 - [34] Edited by: WarlockX on 03/12/2007 21:06:43 Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! Ok, good idea, and because you're so close to this infinatly powerful bomb you blow up too! I rather like this idea, means you can gank freighters in high sec in a frigate, woo woo, go concord infinity bomb! /sign better yet, might as well make god come down and crush your ship because he doesnt like you attacking carebears and then shouts "thou have sinned" "evil doer repent!" and afterwords he reaches into your screen and slaps you then grabs you hand and makes you write a letter of appology to the would be victim ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:00:00 - [35] The replies to this thread are more entertaining than the original OP.
mamisonga	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:00:00 - [36] read this http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Kolmogorow So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Sure, but first you need to train Asbestos Suit V. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Aaron --Rules of Haulage-- 1, NEVER, EVER, EVER use autopilot when hauling valuable cargo. 2, NEVER, ever, ever, ever, go afk. 3, Fit a cloak, cloak when u enter system, double click up or down, then half a second later turn on your cloak. if u stick to busy trade routes you will get lost in the crowd of ships. fly away from possible gankers to 40km. and then initiate warp. 4, Never warp to within 15km of gate. 5, Do not complain on forum if you lose expensive cargo by not following these simple, logical rules. I just talked with a Dev (or was it a voice in my head, I'm not sure) and he decided to change that to the NEW RULES OF HIGH-SEC HAULAGE: 1. Use your Autopilot because it is designed for autopiloting 2. Go afk whenever you want. Nothing can happen to you when autopiloting through high sec. (If something happens it's a bug, we reimburse, except in case of natural disasters) 3. Cloaks are fully integrated into the Autopilot, no user interaction necessary. 4. Autopilot-Warp to 15 km is OUT! Autopilot-Warp to 0 is IN! 5. We let the self destruction button unchanged to leave enough room for complaining on the forum after hitting that button accidentally.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:50:00 - [39] LOL. This thread has leskunks seal of approval. (nb this will ensure its immediate nerfing) SKUNK
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:51:00 - [40] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:56:56 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:52:42 Originally by: Kolmogorow This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. Didn't read beyond first few responses so I'll just say WIN It's what happens when people don't spot sarcasm. Originally by: Kolmogorow Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability Win++ God I wish there was a way I could compress the first page of this thread into a sig. Edit: I need to reiterate how win this is. Were the first lot of posters all asleep or something? I mean, wow. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:53:00 - [41] Smoking kills haulers ! Stop smoking now C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Doppler Shift Red 42	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:58:00 - [42] I see what you did there. Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. The first response, from Tarminic of all people! You are my hero for today... iskies on their way once I get to a real computer. Originally by: Kolmogorow pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck --- This is what's left of my signatu...[siggienerf][/siggienerf]
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:56:56 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:52:42 Originally by: Kolmogorow This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. Didn't read beyond first few responses so I'll just say WIN It's what happens when people don't spot sarcasm. Originally by: Kolmogorow Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability Win++ God I wish there was a way I could compress the first page of this thread into a sig. Edit: I need to reiterate how win this is. Were the first lot of posters all asleep or something? I mean, wow. We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. ironic? __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:06:00 - [46] More like sarcastic, but, meh... C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. ironic? Yes, ironic. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Audio Bully We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters. ironic? Yes, ironic. This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: Quote: Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. While, like Akita said, parts of it are closer to sarcasm, I would consider this a use of true irony, as I could just imagine a carebear saying it seriously. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Audio Bully	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: dead on sir __________________________________________________ Great being Amarr, Minmatar, and Caldari isn't it?

Che Molex	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Check the label - " MMORPG " Smoking by the window ? You Failed your role. Check the EVE ads and reviews - EVE is PvP. Even I, whose main is primaryly 'CareBear' knows I have to pay attention and stay out of trouble. It really blows that you ( or anyone else ) would hope to Nerf the game rather than step up and Play It. o/
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! This won the moment anyone replied. trollicious Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:21:00 - [53] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:21:21 Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: dead on sir Whut? Also, people are still responding as if this was a real post, further win occuring. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:24:00 - [54] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:21:21 Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24 Originally by: Audio Bully This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it The most concentrated example is this: dead on sir Whut? Also, people are still responding as if this was a real post, further win occuring. Yea, trolls are being devoured alive in here. Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
SUPER J0SH	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:38:00 - [55] surprised no ones gone here yet.... Smoking can kill you!
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:55:00 - [56] ZOMG this thread is hilarious! The OP is hardcore about defending his completely illogical stance. To the OP: Seriously, man, I can't even start. Meh. Its not even worth my time. Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:11:00 - [57] The lesson there is don't afk haul in a paper thin ship with phat lootz in it. Learn from it or die (ingame) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:27:00 - [58] Originally by: fire 59 The lesson there is don't afk haul in a paper thin ship with phat lootz in it. Learn from it or die (ingame) No just die(justdie)
Nathanan	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:59:00 - [59] I give the OP 9 out of 10. Enough biting sarcasm to make his point brilliantly, and yet subtle enough that half the people on this board were fooled. Bravo, sir, and I look forward to more of your work.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Kolmogorow So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. This confirmed the troll for me.

Xaldor	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:26:00 - [61] When you feel the need to go burn a hole in your lung, log out. How hard is it to do that? If you are not involved in combat before you log-out your ship vanishes and you can take your time with your self-mutilation of your organs.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:33:00 - [62] The OP is just a troll. I can't believe people actually treated this thread as something else than a joke. His point of view his the very reason why suicide ganking should exist, and miss completely the reason why suicide ganking still is unbalanced now. Well, it was good for a laugh. -- random eve-related content --
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:35:00 - [63] Great thread 10/10
Galack Fyar	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:38:00 - [64] I'd also like to point out that CCP actually say in the official player guide (you really should be reading these things when you start playing): "Don't play the game in AFK mode. This game is not designed with this kind of playing style in mind and you should NEVER consider your ship and character safe while being away from your computer." As such, game changes to support AFK play will not happen. I'd suggest you try to quit smoking. It's better for your health and prevents you from needing to go AFK to light up :)
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:41:00 - [65] lol
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. I'm sorry, but this. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Sathynos Caldari Moronic Confluence	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:46:00 - [67] You wrote urgent in the topic, so I guess devs are now dropping all work and fitting your ship with 100% resists. I bet. -- "Say yes to pron on Concord billboards" campaing. Eve mercenaries portal: http://www.eve-mercs.com
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:50:00 - [68] Some of you lot are quite thick
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:50:00 - [69] Watch some old Eve videos involving CONCORD. God I wish I could turn the clock back to two month before Invention was released. That was my Golden era. That was when EVERY suicide hit cost you one catalyst, and gained you 100 million in T2 strips or Local Hull expanders. Kolmogorow. You are todays face of whining knob jockey. You seem to like going AFK. Next time you want to post on the forums, may I suggest going AFK instead? -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Caldo Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:57:00 - [70] to OP: Yesterday I also got ganked in Uedama. I was lazy on AP in a badger . I got ganked. I mailed the guy to congratulate him and laugh at my Nubbishness. Move on. NEEEXT. Caldo

ChimeraRouge Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. Wtf are you stupid? Originally by: Kolmogorow OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. Maybe you should go back to World of**craft Originally by:** Kolmogorow So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! I hope you die of lung cancer afk smoking.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:06:00 - [72] Edited by: Gaven Blands on 04/12/2007 11:07:00 Originally by: ChimeraRouge I hope you die of lung cancer afk smoking. I hope Eve University teaches you something about not being a complete knob. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:32:00 - [73] Originally by: Kolmogorow This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. You can, SAFESPOT OR DOCK You want to shave 2 mins off your journey then YOU TAKE THE RISK, Just like the tool who crashes the Million quid sports car doing 110MpH - wants to take a few secs off the joureny and takes the risk. At least you only hurt yourself with your stupidity, impatience and lazyness. Sorted
Brixer Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:08:00 - [74] troll/sarcasm/whiner .. whetever. Concord is changed in Trinity. They have invented some new nifty gear to render you and your drones useless fast. T1 haulers will probably still pop, but you'd have to put an awfull lot of ships on a freighter to make it pop.
Demarcus Killjoy.	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Yup, thats what transport ships are for. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:21:00 - [76] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. QFT if the OP wants to smoke (whats bad for your health anyways), dock. simple95% of hi sec systems have ATLEAST 1 station.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:43:00 - [77] _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:58:00 - [78] Great OP. Epic lulz at all the flamers, the FAIL irony is so sweet. Laughing with the op, and at the FAILcrew. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space. This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Hermosa Diosas The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:27:00 - [80] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 04/12/2007 13:30:22 I agree that suicide ganking needs to be addressed, especially if done in groups? How not sure? CONCORD yes a i agree should hit harder and alot faster But as i ive said in another post, fit WCS lots of them, fit hardeners to limit the damage given so you can warp away. and most of all if your hauling lots of crap FIT A CLOAK!! So empire space is not 100% safe whoever thought it was then now realise it isnt. Quote: Kamikaze attacks Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in. Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck. This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:29:00 - [81] This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:38:00 - [82] Originally by: Sokratesz This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend. Yeah, he learned how many people either failed to read or understand his post, and how many people write automatic replies based on what they think he was going to say. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Adamas Skysail	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:39:00 - [83] Over a day old and 3 pages later and people still don't get it... Glorious!
Maximillian Power Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:39:00 - [84] Originally by: Sokratesz This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend. no he didn't.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Sokratesz This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend. Yeah, he learned how many people either failed to read or understand his post, and how many people write automatic replies based on what they think he was going to say. Only read the first post..this is what so many real whiners do to one's brain..standard replies hardwired.. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:58:00 - [86] the irony is strong in this one
P'uck	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:01:00 - [87] Edited by: P''uck on 04/12/2007 14:03:20 Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Tarminic ...carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Yes, but I do that afk. this post says (at least to me) : trolling. or at least a somewhat creative way of trying to educate our carebears. when i carry that much stuff AFK through hisec, i get a BS with a FULL passive HP tank, armor and shield. i mean after all youre afk, right? so how could a DCU that could theoretically double your hull HP be of any use to you? right, no use, since you want to stand at the window, having a smoke. or takin a dump, doin the laundry. whatever. funny thing is... i tried to explain this concept of passive hp tanking for afk hisec hauling, all i got is flames and flak. let me just use this spot here to say to all those people (especially to this suicide ganker, that scanned me on the way to jita and then told me "its the worst fit ever", but without being able to gank me ) youre all a bunch of idiots. mixed hp passive tanking is TEH ****nit for afk hauling. atruemisnomer, you still me owe me 10 mil, because of this bet about the topic. and you know it. im gonna pod you to 0sp and back if you wont pay up... the day i can be bothered to log in, that is
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:23:00 - [88] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery. I would have ganked you too. Originally by: Kolmogorow OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, That's a contradiction. You exploded = he succeeded. Originally by: Kolmogorow This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design. Looks fine to me. Let me guess, T1 hauler with minimal tanking modules fitted. Originally by: Kolmogorow So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. That's just loltastic. Is it unfair that I don't smoke and therefore don't need to afk haul? Nerf non-smokers! Originally by: Kolmogorow So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: Option 1: CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec. Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!) This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!) Option 2: I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5. lol Originally by: Kolmogorow As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen. Are you for real? Originally by: Kolmogorow Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.) Thank you in advance! Don't haul a load so expensive that it invites suicide gankers. Break it up. Alternatively, since you're so willing to train skills, use a transport ship. Tank it out. I broke my teeth on a transport ship over the weekend. Did loldamage to it before I got CONCORDOKKEN'D. A battleship ganker can do more, but risks more. If you're hauling a load sweet enough to be attractive to a BS ganker you're a fool. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:29:00 - [89] Originally by: Adamas Skysail Over a day old and 3 pages later and people still don't get it... Glorious! I see what you did there. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Harm Gently Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:35:00 - [90] this troll was excellent!

Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Xaen That's a contradiction. You exploded = he succeeded. He had another opinion. It's like invention: Twice a failure, three times success. Noone is happy about the two failures. On the long run of course suicide ganking must be quite profitable, considering what deal on a daily delivery volume of battleships we were talking about. Hm, I don't seem to be the only afk smoker in the game. Originally by: Xaen Looks fine to me. Let me guess, T1 hauler with minimal tanking modules fitted. Active shield tanking. I heard, the safest way when afk playing.
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:27:00 - [92] 0.0 should remain lawless, no rules, anything goes - thats perfectly fine. Gank those lone ships with your 10 man gangs and gate camp those shuttles as much as you like if thats where you get your kicks. 0.4 - 0.1 needs to change however with a more gradual progession of whats allowed and whats not. As for suicide ganking in any high sec thats fine lol I think its quite funny actualy. As long as the attackers lose there ships to concord its fair game.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:32:00 - [93] Quote: So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Don't smoke? Or better yet. Carry around your stuff in something better than a 1 mil hauler. C'mon, there's heaps in game already to prevent what happened to you, you just fail to take advantage of it. Improve Market Competition!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:37:00 - [94] Originally by: Kolmogorow Active shield tanking. I heard, the safest way when afk playing. You are so right. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:48:00 - [95] Originally by: Malcanis http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 I really don't know why at first my post is quoted and then a link to this chapter about "Kamikaze attacks" ("This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.") follows. It is as if I tell you I want to eat beef next Sunday and you reply: "On Friday we eat fish." This chapter talks only about the current state of the art. And it doesn't prove that suicide ganking is NOT a hole in the game mechanics. From a developer and legal point of view a software does not need to do what it SHOULD do applying a few atoms of common sense but only what the documentation tells about the software. Or from another direction: If the software has a bug - and who could disagree that suicide ganking is not only a bug but a heavy design failure - you can either remove the bug or write down in the documentation that it is intended and only looking like a bug. It can only be a temporary state. Flying around in high sec, sitting in front of the screen, not smoking at the window, pleaaaaase..., an impossible and only transitional situation, you know it! OK, Trinity deployment wasn't postponed so I expect the implementation of the necessary changes will follow very soon after. So, dear high sec gankers: adapt in advance and quit your business before you tumble in a deep hole of a futile ingame-life and end as a shattered nervous wreck scrunching sandcastles in the marvellous world of Hello-Kitty Online.
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:58:00 - [96] This has been the most entertaining topic I can remember. Can I have everyones stuff?
Kaaii Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:59:00 - [97] Edited by: Kaaii on 04/12/2007 21:02:20 Has anyone ever survived a gank attempt, using the ingame tools avialable? I'm not talking scouting, nor gank avoidance,or logging the freighter, but pure planning v the gank squad? Ie You trip the gankers up with commands, logs and implants? Ive never read of any account, so i ask. A lot of ha ha we ganked a freighter. So I'm wondering if really the only way to not loose a freighter is just to scout? Don't jump a gate with more than 5 BS on other side? Is that the vaunted tools spoken of here? According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:01:00 - [98] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Malcanis http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 I really don't know why at first my post is quoted and then a link to this chapter about "Kamikaze attacks" ("This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.") follows. It is as if I tell you I want to eat beef next Sunday and you reply: "On Friday we eat fish." This chapter talks only about the current state of the art. And it doesn't prove that suicide ganking is NOT a hole in the game mechanics. From a developer and legal point of view a software does not need to do what it SHOULD do applying a few atoms of common sense but only what the documentation tells about the software. Or from another direction: If the software has a bug - and who could disagree that suicide ganking is not only a bug but a heavy design failure - you can either remove the bug or write down in the documentation that it is intended and only looking like a bug. It can only be a temporary state. Flying around in high sec, sitting in front of the screen, not smoking at the window, pleaaaaase..., an impossible and only transitional situation, you know it! OK, Trinity deployment wasn't postponed so I expect the implementation of the necessary changes will follow very soon after. So, dear high sec gankers: adapt in advance and quit your business before you tumble in a deep hole of a futile ingame-life and end as a shattered nervous wreck scrunching sandcastles in the marvellous world of Hello-Kitty Online. That link EXPLICITLY states that suicide ganking is allowed, expected and NOT considered an exploit. "This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space." CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Kirmok	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:05:00 - [99] EVE isn't for non pvpers...I don't like that, but thats just how it is. If you don't want to get ganked or pvp, or both...then don't play eve, cancel your account. Seriously, I don't like it either, but thats how it is. The guys mate was probably an alt of his, you only need 2 account minimum to suicide gank. Best advice is to load your haulers with defenses so if you toss plates and or extenders on it, and maybe even use a t2 hauler, or a freighter! You can almost survive long enough for concord to get there and rescue you. Then you can lolz at the suicide ganker and feel good about yourself! :)
Kirmok	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:14:00 - [100] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 04/12/2007 13:30:22 I agree that suicide ganking needs to be addressed, especially if done in groups? How not sure? CONCORD yes a i agree should hit harder and alot faster But as i ive said in another post, fit WCS lots of them, fit hardeners to limit the damage given so you can warp away. and most of all if your hauling lots of crap FIT A CLOAK!! So empire space is not 100% safe whoever thought it was then now realise it isnt. Quote: Kamikaze attacks Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in. Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck. This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space. Yeah...but in real life, people can't scan your wallet from across the room and see how much cash you have. They also get tossed in jail for weeks or months, or years depending on the crime. Don't compare eve to real life, if you want that, then all the suicide pirates characters should be put in jail for a month after suicide ganking. Just like real life! That keeps concord providing consequences, not preventing the crimes! Right?!

brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:21:00 - [101] Edited by: brinelan on 04/12/2007 21:22:04 I don't see the problem. Nothing is safe.. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. But seriously, the tools (ships and mods) to combat this are in game and freely availiable to everyone. Use the right tool for the job. Hauling valuable cargo requires a ship that will protect it. There are many threads on the topic, and in them are suggestions of out-of-the-box thinking and setups for even combat ships to use for transporting high value cargo. Check out eve-search.com to find them. (To use a RL analogy) you wouldn't transport large sums of cash in a small car, you use a vehicle more suited to securing it. -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:30:00 - [102] Originally by: brinelan I don't see the problem. Nothing is safe.. You see the problem.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:35:00 - [103] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: brinelan I don't see the problem. Nothing is safe.. You see the problem. Your the problem? I'll ilberate "WHAAA WHHAAAAA WHAAAAA" NEXT!
Kyusoath Orillian Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:39:00 - [104] Quote: INACCEPTABLE LOL SET SAIL FOR FAIL.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:44:00 - [105] Originally by: Adamas Skysail Over a day old and 3 pages later and people still don't get it... Glorious! Yeah - now I don't feel so stoopid ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
NenMaster	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:48:00 - [106] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. hahahahahahaha thats the funniest thing i have seen today, i read a rant about some fool, then i see fail, i like it. thanks! still laughing as i type
Arathon Theimies Mobile Alcohol Processing Units United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:26:00 - [107] Hello Kitty online is that way. (I heard the pvp is brutal) Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:32:00 - [108] I forget who's sig it is, but it sums up my thoughts nicely. Concord provides consequences, not protection. If you live by that mantra, and train for t2 haulers, you will go far. If not, i hear this wow game is awfully popular. Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
slag Taramen	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:57:00 - [109] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Kessiaan There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now). I have even kill rights over one month against the pirate. But I won't make use of them I think. He seems to be a friendly guy, we almost had a deal selling him a new battleship but his sec status dropped and he can't enter my manufacturing system anymore after attacking me. CONCORD should allow that after a personal invitation. So you want to waive away one of the few clamps the game has to attempt to restrict the behavior you find so unconscionable? That pirate murdered my wife, but I should be able to invite him out of prison to come over for cupcakes if I want.
Rufus MacMaranth Shadow Front Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.04 23:11:00 - [110] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot .... <stuff> .... As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.... <more stuff> Excellent post. I have to agree that there should be a mechanism for popping out for a smoke, pouring your next drinkie, etc while still flying through space and not dying. Maybe an 'away for a smoke, or a drink' icon can be applied that lasts for 5 minutes and renders you invulnerable and can be used once every 30mins or so. Apologies to chain smokers or drinkers, but more than once in 30 mins is too exploitable. Cheers, Ruf.

Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.12.04 23:17:00 - [111] Originally by: Kolmogorow (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), Sure......that makes perfect sense. Since a ship can only see ships warping into their grid for about 400 km....why not make a huge chain gang of ships, one every 400 km, from one gate to another...Because obviously you're not going to be able to probe them within 30 seconds before they warp away... Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.12.05 00:31:00 - [112] Should make a list of everyone that fell for this Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Max Nero	Posted - 2007.12.05 00:55:00 - [113] Originally by: Lt Angus Should make a list of everyone that fell for this Shhhhh... Don't ruin it...
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. He knows very well how this sounds. C'mon guys, the OP obviously is just yanking our chains here. Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
Jormungand Altruis Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Crumplecorn Yes, ironic. That goes well with the /thread sig...do you control which sig shows up with which post?
Rameus Luxmaar Immortalis Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:41:00 - [116] Edited by: Rameus Luxmaar on 05/12/2007 01:42:16 For the love of all thats holy, ROFL!!! edit: removed about 20 rofl's IMMORTALIS INC. is recruiting new members!
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:12:00 - [117] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth ...Maybe an 'away for a smoke, or a drink' icon can be applied that lasts for 5 minutes and renders you invulnerable and can be used once every 30mins or so... This is a really constructive post and a great proposal! I have updated my opening post and included the INVULNERABILITY BUTTON as Option 3 (while I removed the time restriction which seems to be only the half of the way to the optimal solution).
Reoohki	Posted - 2007.12.06 16:22:00 - [118] Im want to lvl afk cancer to 5
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 16:48:00 - [119] Originally by: Karrade Krise Originally by: Kolmogorow (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), Sure......that makes perfect sense. Since a ship can only see ships warping into their grid for about 400 km....why not make a huge chain gang of ships, one every 400 km, from one gate to another...Because obviously you're not going to be able to probe them within 30 seconds before they warp away... Well, suicide ganking is a lottery anyway. I only want to move this lottery away from the gates to somewhere else in space. It might reduce the chance of winning a little bit but ... we have to sacrifice something for the serious improvements I proposed.
Chaplain Veritas Amarr The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.12.07 16:58:00 - [120] can someone please tell me this is a joke. even if it's not. someone just say it. i truly think it is simply by virtue of his suggestions, ie the uber godbomb from CONCORD. he's either 11 or he's joking. ____________________________ the eyes are the groin of the face - dwight shrute

Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:14:00 - [121] Edited by: Taurequis on 07/12/2007 17:16:36 Originally by: Kaaii Edited by: Kaaii on 04/12/2007 21:02:20 Has anyone ever survived a gank attempt, using the ingame tools avialable? I'm not talking scouting, nor gank avoidance,or logging the freighter, but pure planning v the gank squad? Ie You trip the gankers up with commands, logs and implants? Ive never read of any account, so i ask. A lot of ha ha we ganked a freighter. So I'm wondering if really the only way to not loose a freighter is just to scout? Don't jump a gate with more than 5 BS on other side? Is that the vaunted tools spoken of here? Hi, The other day i was flying to Jita to pick up a ship interface worth 700 mil. I figured id play it more careful since the last time i tried to pickup anything of value i got ganked (my rigged ceptor, not afk, obelisk bpo, smartbombed and jump in ). So i took my covert ops and stuck a secure can in its hold. To make things a little bit more interesting i stuck 50 odd tier 2 bc bpc in the can. So I fly off to jita, not afk as such but just letting it cruise up to the gates. About 1 jump out on the way to jita, a tech 1 cruiser and frigate lock me, pop most of my shields and half my hull in the first volley. I , not afk, switch on the two invun field II and the damage control i had cunningly fitted and pat my small shield extender II with a smile on my face. Watching the pretty fireworks. I do agree that insurance should be taken off for this type of thing. Beyond that i don't see what ccp can do. Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. With your ganker using the full range of cheap tech 1 ships they can get away with. As much as i hate it, i'm just learning to deal with it. Its the ore theft of the modern era. Scum, but you generally can do bugger all. Best Regards, Taur p.s On the way back from Jita with the 700 mil of cargo I did warp to 0 cloaked for every gate to my home system, just incase. p.p.s I'm thinking about dusting off my Claymore with fat passive tank to bring back that Afk hauling love.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:31:00 - [122] Originally by: Taurequis Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec?
N'irrti Amarr PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:35:00 - [123] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. cant be quoted enough
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware - Oveur
dust monkey Minmatar Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:55:00 - [125] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Taurequis Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec? YES --- the cake is a lie..
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:12:00 - [126] Originally by: dust monkey Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Taurequis Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles. Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec? YES My hauler had around 5% of armor and 1% of hull compared to a freighter and the battleship attacking me popped at the same time than my ship. How should it be possible to kill a freighter in High Sec? If so, it's obviously a bug because freighters are designed to be untouchable in High Sec.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:20:00 - [127] it can be done, it just takes a lot more BS's to pop the freighter... I seem to remember it took 34 seconds or so with a bunch of Domi's --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:32:00 - [128] Originally by: Hamfast ...34 seconds... Bah, as I said: CONCORD is too slow and too weak.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:58:00 - [129] CONCORD will now respond to aggressing drones during criminal acts by deactivating a pilot's capability to control them. ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Centurion 2	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:14:00 - [130] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Hamfast ...34 seconds... Bah, as I said: CONCORD is too slow and too weak. I agree on this one. Unlike 0.0, you depend on Concord to protect your investment. Way too weak. The new corps. specializing in this can insta-pop a hauler easily.

Ga'len The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:18:00 - [131] Edited by: Ga''len on 07/12/2007 21:17:53 No. Game mechanic, works as intended. EVE has a simple concept at it's core, "Risk versus Reward." If you RISK going AFK, then your REWARD someone else with the loot. If you RISK suicide ganking, you REWARD Concord with your destroyed ship. There are plenty of things you can do to ensure that you don't loose out on your cargo. Be smart when you move your stuff around, never go AFK unless you are docked. I am sorry, but this not a dev problem, it's YOUR problem for taking such a RISK.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:54:00 - [132] While I strongly support the idea of changing the math of suicide ganking (its silly that a ship with even a moderate value cargo is MORE at risk in 0.5+ than in 0.0), I'd change ONLY the math (by changing insurance). Play nice while you butcher each other.
Darcel Black Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:01:00 - [133] Well, you know what they say. Smoking kills. -Darcel
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:02:00 - [134] Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Originally by: Kolmogorow Yesterday I was shot .... <stuff> .... As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.... <more stuff> Excellent post. I have to agree that there should be a mechanism for popping out for a smoke, pouring your next drinkie, etc while still flying through space and not dying. Maybe an 'away for a smoke, or a drink' icon can be applied that lasts for 5 minutes and renders you invulnerable and can be used once every 30mins or so. Apologies to chain smokers or drinkers, but more than once in 30 mins is too exploitable. Cheers, Ruf. Yeah, if only there were some kind of safe harbour or "space station" where one could "dock" one's ship. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Carolina Sky	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:07:00 - [135] i agree the suicide ganking needs to be looked into , as it stands the gankers get all the rewards for no risk , cause insurance covers them, something needs to be done
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:11:00 - [136] Originally by: Carolina Sky ...the gankers get all the rewards for no risk , cause insurance covers them... Hahaha, I didn't know that they get insurance payout. Now it becomes even more ridiculous. What is the insurance fee for a battleship? I don't know, 20 Mil or something like that? So with goods in cargo space worth a bit more than this insurance fee suicide ganking starts to be profitable and it even doesn't hurt the ganker so much to do it just for fun. Obviously the game fails at high sec travelling. Why isn't the Autopilot removed, it is useless.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:22:00 - [137] what are you whining about? concord just got boosted again and the weapon of choice - see drone boat dominix - has been effectively balanced for suicide ganking ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:29:00 - [138] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Incorrect. There is one thing wrong with suicide ganking: There are NO REPURCUSSIONS for the suicider. A pittance of a sec loss, the looting ship is some dumb alt. Typically the suicider is also some dumb alt. Make the main on the account take the sec hit. Make concord guard the loot for x period of time (anyone but the owning corp, or one at war with them, loots the wreck = concordoken). Remove insurance payouts for concord losses. Freeze alt slots on accounts - no recycling of alts with negative standings (you want to suicide and toss alts? Go rat them up to 0.0 sec status before you can purge them!!) especually alts less than a month old with severe negative standings.
Chromakey Dreamcoat Caldari Model Of Aggression	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:18:00 - [139] lol seems like many have been ganked by the op in this thread.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:20:00 - [140] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. Tarminic for the win. ________ "It's a good day to die!"

Tivookz Caldari The Singularity Amalgamation Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:49:00 - [141] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Smoking kills. This. He beat me to it.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.12.08 16:13:00 - [142] * sigh * Suicide ganking is a legit tactic, all fine there. Only change that might make sense is to remove insurance payout for ships destroyed by concord. Maybe CCP will agree with this sometime and change it, maybe not.
Violine Ming Gallente Apostles of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:20:00 - [143] Edited by: Violine Ming on 10/12/2007 01:20:54 /signed Insurance game mechanic for suiciders is r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d. My only complaint. I don't mind it happening (suicide ganking that is) but rewarding the ganker is fecking stupid.
Richard Aiel Caldari DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:29:00 - [144] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. pure win... High sec = high sec not "perfectly safe" Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:41:00 - [145] This thread is epic failure. Nothing wrong with suicide ganking. Use a transport or a tanked BS to haul valuables. t1 haulers are for hauling voluminous amounts of low-value stuff.
Odeweaver	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:43:00 - [146] Haha, I learned this lesson while hauling a covert ops skill book and the cruise missile skill book in a brand new omen, I only went afk while on autopilot in atlar because lunch didn't agree with me and I thought i was going to **** myself
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:49:00 - [147] So five pages and one week later, and you still haven't worked out the OP is winding you up?
Violine Ming Gallente Apostles of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:54:00 - [148] Originally by: Cipher7 This thread is epic failure. Nothing wrong with suicide ganking. Use a transport or a tanked BS to haul valuables. t1 haulers are for hauling voluminous amounts of low-value stuff. This isn't just highsec hauling. I'm not a hauler. Suicide ganking isn't limmited to just haulers.... Again, suicide ganking is fine. Fix the re-tard-ed insurance payout.
Roger Douglas Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:00:00 - [149] The Forum-Fu is strong with this OP...
Valea Wrath Of Khaine	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:34:00 - [150] YOU LOST THE GAME --- signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])

firefly5000 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.10 03:14:00 - [151] FAIL
MeGotAnswers	Posted - 2007.12.10 03:14:00 - [152] To the OP, so sad, too bad. And I say that as someone who has gotten suicide ganked. Really, CONCORD AND should be doing more agressive sec hits for pirating, because there isn't a realistic/RP valid reason why someone can kill 6 ships illegally and suffer any real sanctions. Doubling the initial sec hit to -.2 and making ship destruction -.5 would be imho far more realistic consequences, and would cause empire raiders to be more selective. Perhaps also faction rating hits if you gank someone in a newbie corp, or who has significant standings with that faction. It would be nice to also have some industrial specific modules/rigs. Something drastic -30 to -50% Cargo, -25% speed, -60% CPU (so it's only practical for industrials), in return for more HP/resistances. It should require a few lvl 3-4 skills, but wouldn't really be as awesome as transports. Empire piracy it isn't challenging as is now, and its just a little too easy from an RP point of view. It still should exist though.
SL Helper	Posted - 2007.12.10 03:28:00 - [153] I think that suicidegankings need to be looked at by CCP. I think a module or a special type of container that prevents cargoscanning would be nice. There sould be some kind of drawback (cargospace maybe?) in using them tho. Btw, isn't it annoying that I type with this increadible large font? Imagine if everyone would start using it. Stop it ffs!
Spike 68 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:44:00 - [154] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:54:00 - [155] Anyone who thinks a hauler is in more danger in empire than in 0.0 doesnt live near me.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:14:00 - [156] Remove insurance payouts to ships shot down by Concord, problem solved. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Garong	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:24:00 - [157] Removing the insurance payout for the gankers would fix a great deal. Right now there is almost no risk vs a potential huge reward for suiciding.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:32:00 - [158] Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal. Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles! - DesuSigs
Galack Fyar	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:34:00 - [159] Edited by: Galack Fyar on 10/12/2007 08:34:24 Edited by: Galack Fyar on 10/12/2007 08:34:11 I like pie quite a lot.
Edelhonk	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:44:00 - [160] Edited by: Edelhonk on 10/12/2007 08:46:57 Edited by: Edelhonk on 10/12/2007 08:45:36 jupp...the Insurance is the main problem here. It nearly no risk for the ganker (the security standing loss is a joke tbh, 1 or 2 hours of rat hunting and tata...im back to my old standing) The Insurance is part of CONCORDE, but they pay for a ship destroyed by their own security because the ship owner does breaking the law Its the same if you do a bank robbery, drive away in your own car, your car got crashed by police in the carchase and after that you can take all the money from the robbery and police pay you a new car and you only have to do 3 hours of social work as punishment.....little bit strange. atm a Indu with a load of 50 Mil ISK is worth a suizide ganking. btw, all ppl saying "omg, fly in a T2 Indu with tankfitting" and "dont fly afk, noob" 1. the T2 are brought in the game from CCP for lowsec space, check the description 2. did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored.

Edelhonk	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:52:00 - [161] Originally by: Crumplecorn Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal. Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles! seems you are not up to date...atm suizide gankers hunting even Freigters so you argument is BS
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:53:00 - [162] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 10/12/2007 08:55:41 Originally by: Edelhonk 1. the T2 are brought in the game from CCP for lowsec space, check the description 2. did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored. 1. Nothing to do with anything. 2. If you don't want to put in the time, then either don't move the stuff, or take the risk of dying. Originally by: Edelhonk Originally by: Crumplecorn Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal. Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles! seems you are not up to date...atm suizide gankers hunting even Freigters so you argument is BS No, I'm afraid my argument would only be 'BS' as you say if only freighters were ganked. Most whines about suicide ganking involved smaller ships. Small time gankers would be out of business is freighters were the only worthy targets. - DesuSigs
Garong	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:02:00 - [163] Edited by: Garong on 10/12/2007 09:04:36 Originally by: Crumplecorn Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal. Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles! Like using a blockade runner? I doubt they had high sec hauling in mind when they designed the ship, and its not exactly invulnerable. Freighters get ganked as well, Inties can get smartbombed. Theres no ship that is suicide proof, and i'm not asking to change that. Changing insurance will not turn high sec into happy fluffy carebear land, but it will hurt the wallet for the ganker when he fails/ loot is destroyed. >edit< wow i post too slow :p
Kurogauna	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:15:00 - [164] Edited by: Kurogauna on 10/12/2007 11:16:33 I'm a suicide ganker. I agree, it's just too easy to get a great reward without any risks. But suicide ganking is still a big part of high sec metal game... It's the ability to suicide gank that must be nerfed, but the retaliation from the victim. please take a look at this post. It's an idea that can affect suicide gank. Dont like baby blue ? Tell it to the devs HERE, Thanx.
Jovienus	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:41:00 - [165] Suicide ganking is like real life suicide bombers. Unfortunately no one can really stop them, so I don't see any reason why they should be nerfed in EVE. Afterall one of the greatest aspects of EVE is the feel of realism in terms of social simulation. Anything humans can do in RL can be emulated in EVE from killing, stealing, conning, trading, war, pirating, peace treaties, etc... So please keep suicide ganking in. It adds spice to an already extraoridinary game. -J
Malbolge	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:46:00 - [166] OP is about --><-- this far from Troll Nirvana.
Vagablonde Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:50:00 - [167] Originally by: Jovienus Suicide ganking is like real life suicide bombers. -J Originally by: Jovienus real life suicide bombers. -J Originally by: Jovienus suicide bombers. -J Originally by: Jovienus suicide -J ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:56:00 - [168] Edited by: Garia666 on 10/12/2007 11:56:04 just get a couple of alts suiciding in noob ships on the route which your heading.. So you can spawn allot of concord before you travel.. thats pretty safe ->My Vids<- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Uhr Zylex	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:53:00 - [169] all aboard the failtrain
Jovienus	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:44:00 - [170] Originally by: Vagablonde Originally by: Jovienus Suicide ganking is like real life suicide bombers. -J Originally by: Jovienus real life suicide bombers. -J Originally by: Jovienus suicide bombers. -J Originally by: Jovienus suicide -J And your point is? Its a perfectly valid statement, players are using suicidal tactics to achieve a specific goal. Just like suicide bombers in real life using their suicide bombing to achieve their goals. The only difference thank god is that suicide bomber don't have access to clone vats. I can't see anyway to code a solution here even if we wanted too. How do you tell a computer the difference between a suicide ganker and an accidental hi-sec engagement or misfire! Would you servely punish all of them on top of the already damaging loss of their ship? I think as it stand CCP should stop NERFING everything in sight. It might not be nice but it is a feature of the game, if you begin to NERF what players can do with their ships in EVE then how long will it be before you end up not being able to do anything due to someone crying foul. I sympathize with the loss of the ship I myself suffered the loss of a 250Mil ISKs Raven is a camping Mothership when entering a lo-sec system. I didn't once cry foul... I took the beating lost the ship like I knew damn well I would do and simply brought a new one, ok so a week later a lost that one too, but hey thats my bad luck, it could happen to anyone. Just so happened to me. Point is EVE is about the good, the bad and the ugly. The good being teamwork, profits and sportsmanship, the bad being scamming, pirating, thieving, and the ugly being suicide gankers, griefing and podding. Its all part of the same multispectrum aspect of EVE. So before you cry foul, think for a second - if I did this would I be crying foul? The answer is most definitely NO.

Athus Dark Malice Inc Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:44:00 - [171] Uhm, Can I point out that while I personally don't like getting ganked at a empire gate I NEVER LEAVE THE SHIP ALONE. your just asking for a uberwtfbbqpwn gank doing that. I have suggestions: 1) don't fly AFK (DUUUUUH) 2) WOW warp to 0 is kewl 3) quit EvE. I have carried 4 and 500 mil piles of goods in a ity and even I know not to leave the thing alone in space to travel AP 15 KM to a gate. can't get ganked if your warping to 0. LOL I think you learned a lesson. EvE is meant to be as realistic as possible in some regards.. get used to it. Fly Safe
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:55:00 - [172] Originally by: Edelhonk ...did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored. THAT is by far the most sophisticated statement about the issue! And the only solution not to be bored flying 25 jumps through high sec is to fly afk and to do something other in the meantime.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:20:00 - [173] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Edelhonk ...did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored. THAT is by far the most sophisticated statement about the issue! And the only solution not to be bored flying 25 jumps through high sec is to fly afk and to do something other in the meantime. hey guys i find it boring that i dont ever have enough isk lets make your ships instantly teleport anywhere and everything is free Trashed sig, Shark was here
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:33:00 - [174] hiccup
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:55:00 - [175] Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:59:00 - [176] Originally by: Semkhet Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP... you think hes joking? how do you know some newb dont start thinking hes serious? Trashed sig, Shark was here
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:24:00 - [177] Edited by: abbagabba on 11/12/2007 01:24:23 Originally by: Semkhet Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP... I keep thinking it's the other, almost identical post that was deadly serious. You can't expect people to read page 1 before they reply, can you? But I agree with the op, everyone has the right to a bit of afk smoking.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:27:00 - [178] Originally by: abbagabba Edited by: abbagabba on 11/12/2007 01:24:23 Originally by: Semkhet Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP... I keep thinking it's the other, almost identical post that was deadly serious. You can't expect people to read page 1 before they reply, can you? But I agree with the op, everyone has the right to a bit of afk smoking. You have the right to go afk whenever you want to, but don't come whining here when you do and something bad happens Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:35:00 - [179] Originally by: OOOSOOO
Anacrit Mc'Sinister	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:53:00 - [180] Edited by: Anacrit Mc''Sinister on 11/12/2007 01:55:34 Quote: Option 3: The INVULNERABILITY BUTTON i love that one!!! i want tha button too!! infact: dear CCP. forget all my amarr/cloaking/explotation/ewar rants.. this xmass i want INVULNERABILITY BUTTON!!

Kristos Valamache Edyta Enterprises Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:36:00 - [181] T1 hauler - 1m isk eve subscription - approximately 10.53 euros p/m Pack of smokes - roughly ú5.00 The inability of the fail crew to admit they've been duped.............. PRICELESS!!!
Malbolge	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:59:00 - [182] Originally by: Athus I have carried 4 and 500 mil piles of goods in a ity . . . can't get ganked if your warping to 0. You are in for a rude awakening one of these days.
Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:11:00 - [183] Only thing that might come good to "balance" Suicide ganking is: you get Concorded, no insurance money for you. Now you cant use a recyclable Domi that costs you peanuts. Balanced. Concord sponsored insurance giving you payout when you were cought breaking law and your ship destroyed by police??? No logic there.
Anacrit Mc'Sinister	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:14:00 - [184] INVULNERABILITY BUTTON!!
Law Enforcer Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:15:00 - [185] epic fail. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:27:00 - [186] Originally by: Dzajic Only thing that might come good to "balance" Suicide ganking is: you get Concorded, no insurance money for you. Now you cant use a recyclable Domi that costs you peanuts. Balanced. Concord sponsored insurance giving you payout when you were cought breaking law and your ship destroyed by police??? No logic there. Where's the logic in "insurance" that gives you a payout nearly 3x the single premium you pay, even if you blow the ship up yourself, fall asleep while flying it or take it in to a warzone? If you're going to start demanding the least bit of realism in EvE insurance, then the whole concept is instantly negated. Might as well just get rid of it altogether and make T1 ships about 50% cheaper to build, which would be fine by me btw. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:32:00 - [187] Quote: So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics: go play another game then dude because you aint getting what u needf here m8. Theres nothing wrong at all, only problem is idiots carrying hundreds of millions in a ship worth about 1 million.
Duncan Jax Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:24:00 - [188] Smoking and flying AFK are hazardous to your health. Stop doing both and you will live longer and prosper.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:33:00 - [189] I find these game changes concerning the so called suicide ganking to be both urgent and required. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:57:00 - [190] While I may still be a noob only having 6 or 7 months experience in the game, I still think there is nothing wrong with the system as it is. Just because you are in high does not make you safe and you should never be 100% safe, it would ruin the game. Whenever I carry anything expensive I don't afk and usually put passworded giant secure containers in the hull anyway. I've never tried it but can GSC's be scanned ? I'm also guessing that if you gank me and scoop my GSC it is of no use to you ? ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?

Great Guardian Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:05:00 - [191] Pirating in high sec is safer for pirates than pirating in low sec!? ROFL @ CCP. Cheers, GG
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:10:00 - [192] Originally by: Great Guardian Pirating in high sec is safer for pirates than pirating in low sec!? ROFL @ CCP. Cheers, GG Surely you mean "ROFL @ AFK haulers"...? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:12:00 - [193] I think this might be threatening Tarminic's record for length and longevity of a troll post. Let's see if we can't generate some more momentum... I THINK SUICIDE GANKERS SHOULD BE MADE TO FLY NOTHING BUT NOOB SHIPS THE ENTIRETY OF THE KILL RIGHTS PERIOD! FEEEEEX EET SEE SEE PEE ---- WSSH
SomeHardLovin Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:24:00 - [194] 1. Autopilot warping to 0 = Fairly good idea, dunno why it drops you SO damn far off the gate. Most people using AP are haulers who move at a snails pace. Maybe warp to 5km. 2. I'd like to point out (if it hasn't already been) that even in the most heavily policed areas in the world, major crimes take place. Cops are not omnipresent ya know. Banks still get robbed sometimes. --- * The opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily represent those of my corporation or alliance.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:28:00 - [195] OP is a work of genius. Thanks for the good laugh, keep em coming!
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:50:00 - [196] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Originally by: Audio Bully Originally by: Tarminic FAIL FAILSAUCE FAILSAUCE WITH A SIDE OF WTFPWN I have no sympathy for you. if you had any brains you'd realise that going AFK in space anywhere = the risk of being popped. Also hauling 500m of stuff in a t1 hauler? you sir do fail. As for a critical response to your well formatted post, all I can say if your too whiny even for WoW. Hello Kitty Online is where you belong FAILBOMB @ NOT DETECTING TROLL It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
SomeHardLovin Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:35:00 - [197] Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 11/12/2007 16:35:24 I doubt it was a troll.. it was probably some dude who got shot in high-sec.. got really cheezed and vented on the forums. Happens all the time. Either way, it had some valid points.. sort of. --- * The opinions expressed are mine and do not necessarily represent those of my corporation or alliance.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:07:00 - [198] Does "Trolling" include not to tell the truth? Probably it is one of the most used words in the forum but it is not suitable in this thread.
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:51:00 - [199] instead of using an invulnerability button all ships could have a strontium bay and enter a reinforced mode upon attack that dosnt prevents you from flying but also lets you fight back if you wanted to do so, that way you could really, really go afk-smoking knowing that your ship isnt going to have a scrach, maybe spend some stront in the way, that way u could even use a itty I on autopilot to haul things in 0.0, or even mine in the belts in there with a miner I
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:01:00 - [200] Originally by: Kolmogorow Does "Trolling" include not to tell the truth? Probably it is one of the most used words in the forum but it is not suitable in this thread. Trolling certainly doesn't include making spoof whine posts that are pretty amusing.

Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:02:00 - [201] Good stuff, and you still have people falling for it. WTS Sarcasm Detector T2, 900M ISK (Jita) ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Rangkai	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:07:00 - [202] No one ever suicide ganks me. It makes me sad.
Naomi Venture	Posted - 2007.12.11 18:20:00 - [203] Originally by: Dzajic Only thing that might come good to "balance" Suicide ganking is: you get Concorded, no insurance money for you. Now you cant use a recyclable Domi that costs you peanuts. Balanced. Concord sponsored insurance giving you payout when you were cought breaking law and your ship destroyed by police??? No logic there. This is the only comment people have made about suicide ganking that has made a lick of sense.
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.11 19:24:00 - [204] FAIL hiccup
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 19:52:00 - [205] so when did you not realize that you are not safe anywhere? or do you want a pvp off option? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.12 20:19:00 - [206] Originally by: Anacrit Mc'Sinister INVULNERABILITY BUTTON!! YES!!! Today I was locked and probably scanned again during gate approach in a T1 hauler. 10 Mil cargoload including fitted modules. Seemed to be not worth enough so they unlocked me. I observed the spectacle around the gate: Two different ships locked me, either one large (some battleships, cruisers, Ittys, freighters) bad coordinated group of gankers or two or more different competing groups. The other side of the gate was already contaminated by more than a hundred CONCORD ships causing terrible lag, an impertinence! This crap seems to be getting more and more popular which is extremely bad because it forces to sit in front of the screen mouseclicking for every stupid movement resulting in square shaped eyes. That nonsense must be removed from the game quickly. Must be able to smoke relaxed at the window.
Cipher Venok Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.12 20:41:00 - [207] Edited by: Cipher Venok on 12/12/2007 20:41:59 You're still asking for a free pass to be AFK while on auto-pilot, through stargates and popular ganking grounds. It seems like you should be clever enough to: not be AFK with 400 million ISK on the line use your intellect to make the journey without going through popular ganking grounds build a better ship to tank between jumps If I was into ganking (which I'm not), I would have took a spin to sacrifice my battleship for a 400m load. My Blog \| GameRig CPUz \| WorkPC CPUz
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.12.12 20:45:00 - [208] To the OP: 3/10 for trolling awful attempt, but you manage to drag this thread for 7 pages, hence 3. Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.12.12 20:46:00 - [209] Fail gets used so often it completely lost it's value Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.13 00:43:00 - [210] -pvp off time to fill up a freighter full of megacyte and go afk Trashed sig, Shark was here

BigDave Saturdays Sundays and Nights	Posted - 2007.12.13 01:47:00 - [211] Originally by: abbagabba Edited by: abbagabba on 11/12/2007 01:24:23 Originally by: Semkhet Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP... I keep thinking it's the other, almost identical post that was deadly serious. You can't expect people to read page 1 before they reply, can you? But I agree with the op, everyone has the right to a bit of afk smoking. Sadly, it was intended to help draw attention to the obviously sarcastic nature of the OP. Just to help out our pointed obtuse fellow posters, I'll identify some of the more obvious clues: Originally by: Kolmogorow Option 3: The INVULNERABILITY BUTTON Originally by: Kolmogorow pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck Originally by: Kolmogorow If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed. Everyone who thought the OP was serious please apply to join my corp. You will need to bring a faction-fitted noob frigate to a corp 'mining op' as a test of your commitment. Of course there is no chance I will gank you outside the station... I'm, er, completely serious! ----- Dang, signatures keep getting smaller and smaller, unless you count the bits where ISD colors outside the lines...
Jack Freely Caldari Trading Corp	Posted - 2007.12.13 02:06:00 - [212] I just now I carried 150 million in cargo in a frig past jita for a total of 14 jumps in high space. Only one active cargo scan and no attacks, I did this for fun to see if any one would attack. I think the difference is I WARP TO ZERO and don't auto pilot.
Market Leader	Posted - 2007.12.13 03:40:00 - [213] Just laugh at the suicide gankers... Move your stuff afk while your at work...while your sleeping...having sex...whatever. Just afk move it in a freighter and laugh at them. Nothing annoys a suicide ganker and his friends/hiding hauler alt than a freighter slowboating it to his gate from 15km. Of course thats if you can afford one.
Ice Moon	Posted - 2007.12.13 12:08:00 - [214] I agree totally with the OP. And, while we're on it, what happened to those hauler drones CCP promised, which would carry stuff from jetcans back to a station automatically? I think this is important - miners need to smoke too, right? There are lots of other kinds of drones; we're still waiting for the hauler drones, it's only fair that they're implemented. They would massively increase mineral production which is good for everyone. I like the game, but there are some simple improvements we're still waiting for.
Vinya Orcrist	Posted - 2007.12.13 12:33:00 - [215] Originally by: Ice Moon I agree totally with the OP. And, while we're on it, what happened to those hauler drones CCP promised, which would carry stuff from jetcans back to a station automatically? I think this is important - miners need to smoke too, right? There are lots of other kinds of drones; we're still waiting for the hauler drones, it's only fair that they're implemented. They would massively increase mineral production which is good for everyone. I like the game, but there are some simple improvements we're still waiting for. It would also reduce losses which decreases the need for minerals. It would increase supply. Both of these things would result in lower mineral prices, and if the general concentration of miner/producers doesnt change. Isk will earned/hour would probably steady around the same. But it would most possible account for a conciderable inflation.
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.13 12:46:00 - [216] Why does CCP keep these anti-smoking mechanics in the game? Smokers are hounded everywhere, can't even have a meal or see a movie witout anti-smokers harassing you. It's not like you're bothering someone else with the smoke over the internet. Maybe you should be able to select that you're a smoker in the registration menu and then be able to safely go afk.
Considered	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:07:00 - [217] To the original Poster, When you go AFK and leave auto-pilot on your actually saying "I agree that at any moment on my gate approach I can be suicide ganked" No, nothing needs to be changed m8. Suicide Ganking is a part of EVE, if you don't like it, then don't haul. Fact is, every time you click the big yellow arrow with "Undock" written below it, it's actually an "Enable PVP" Button.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:18:00 - [218] Quote: the other, almost identical post LOOOL, sadly I didn't see that til now (but looks similar only at first glance, probably simply by accident because there is no relationship between irony and the topic we're discussing here).
Centurion 2	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:28:00 - [219] Originally by: Krashtest If you want to go afk , there is a mechanism in game which allows that. IT IS CALLED DOCKING. If the person who shot you wanted to go afk , he would have missed this golden opportunity. If you cannot afford to lose what you are hauling, use a safer hauler (transport ship) and DO NOT GO AFK and expect to be 100 % safe. You brought this upon yourself by making yourself a very easy target. You Don't have to be AFK to get suicide ganked. You just have something worth killing. All you need is a group of throw away crusiers and a plan. If done right, it doesn't matter how many stabs you have, your dead. Period. Cost effective, absolutly. There's real no penality, other than loosing a fecking cheap ship. Is it the way I want to play the game, Hell no. I think all combat or ganking should be done in .4 or below. I think high sec. gankers are a bunch of cowards that do something that really takes no real tallent to do. Do your fighting where the real men play. 0.0
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:14:00 - [220] Edited by: Sister Libertina on 13/12/2007 23:14:24 People are still taking the OP seriously???!!11///??// aye ya yarr /me goes off to moan about tiscali again

Khudo	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:19:00 - [221] Please, read and support the Killright trading idea in the suggestion section of the forum. I think it could provide some more challenge to the ganker and provide retaliation to the ganked WHILE fixing bounty system and creating police corporations. It is a great idea really.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:02:00 - [222] Originally by: Cvuos Maybe you should be able to select that you're a smoker in the registration menu and then be able to safely go afk. That's another great idea! But we probably cannot really expect an implementation because everyone would select this option, even the non-smokers. But with a small modification we could propose the following well-balanced Option4: The CONCORD-ESCORT-CONTRACT (popularly also known as the SMOKER-LICENSE). With a small pile of license documents in your cargohold which can be bought like the Empire Starbase Charters and like those are valid for one hour you are allowed to smoke and fly safely through high sec while a ultra-heavy escort of CONCORD or Empire faction ships convoys you in return for the payed fees. To avoid lag the escort flies cloaked and appears only and instantaneously when the escorted ship is attacked.
Flaming Butterfly	Posted - 2007.12.31 09:03:00 - [223] Originally by: Galack Fyar I'd also like to point out that CCP actually say in the official player guide (you really should be reading these things when you start playing): "Don't play the game in AFK mode. This game is not designed with this kind of playing style in mind and you should NEVER consider your ship and character safe while being away from your computer." As such, game changes to support AFK play will not happen. I'd suggest you try to quit smoking. It's better for your health and prevents you from needing to go AFK to light up :) K, so when is CCP getting rid of all the cloaking devices except covert ops and give small, medium, large stealth modules that reduce sig radii by 80%? Personally, I'd love for a Tachyon Pulse Generator that can only be put in sov 3 areas to fob off the cloakers that hang around for hours in AFK mode.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.31 09:10:00 - [224] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 31/12/2007 09:12:00 waaaaah waaaaah waaaaaah waaaaah waaaaah waaaaaah Someone get the whaaambulance for the OP. He doesnt want ANY risk for himself. In fact, the OP has just exprienced a little bit of an ISK sink. ----------------- Friends Forever
Cihl	Posted - 2007.12.31 09:26:00 - [225] Beh. Getting CONCORDWTFPWND should equal no insurance payout. Simple as that.
Pew Pewk	Posted - 2007.12.31 09:29:00 - [226] Originally by: Kolmogorow So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems. Do like everyone else, dock up while brb. I do it when I pee or grab a cup of coffee. I don't smoke tho, so less needed breaks than you do, might be worse. Lay off that nasty habit?
sm1thy	Posted - 2008.01.01 14:39:00 - [227] This guys must be joking ofc If he isn't i am gonna be harsh like i should be, GO PLAY A PVE-ONLINE MMO, there is plenty of those around. EVE is a sandbox PVP game where the no1 rule is risk-vs-reward, if u cant grasp that carrying around that ammount of isk is a big risk again go play another game, we dont want you here, most ppl here dont want the game watered-down from its true philosophy more than it has already been. Hell i am a noob and i dont want you here. Just bugger off.
Herring Infinatech	Posted - 2008.01.01 15:05:00 - [228] Have you considered stopping the smoking habit? You just don't afk that kind of money. CCP - please stop with the nerfing and boost something already.
Teraos Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:38:00 - [229] Edited by: Teraos on 01/01/2008 20:38:46 If you go afk with 400m worth of loot in your nontanked tech 1 hauler, you deserve to die. No but seriously there should be risks involved with everything in eve, even when hauling in highsec.
Saraith Narr Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.01 20:55:00 - [230] Originally by: Tarminic FAIL There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic. FAIL Sarcasm: A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:43:00 - [231] doesnt matter if the op is joking because some people against suicide ganking that are posting in this thread are not Trashed sig, Shark was here


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