Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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...carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

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Originally by: ISD Valorem

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The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

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FAILSAUCE

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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i'm using vista 3bit business and i have no problems at all with most things really, including Eve.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Hah! Vengeance is sweet!

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window.

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Originally by: JamnOne

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I recommend if you want a safe game play a non-online game.

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Originally by: JamnOne

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Concord does arrive quickly and does damage quickly.

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Originally by: JamnOne

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What you are asking is to AFK without any risks what so ever. What is the point of playing the game then?

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Originally by: JamnOne

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Option 1 - Don't Fly AFK

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Originally by: JamnOne

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Option 2 - Fly a ship that can defend itself or at least be able to tank the suicide gankers until Concord gets done with them.

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Originally by: JamnOne

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Option 3 - Don't play the Game.

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Originally by: JamnOne

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Final advice, remember it is a game.

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Quote:

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pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck

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Quote:

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pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Not quick and hard enough to protect me. If it would have been the case I wouldn't need the game change.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now).

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now).

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I have even kill rights over one month against the pirate. But I won't make use of them I think. He seems to be a friendly guy, we almost had a deal selling him a new battleship but his sec status dropped and he can't enter my manufacturing system anymore after attacking me. CONCORD should allow that after a personal invitation.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Hah! Vengeance is sweet!

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Originally by: Paulo Damarr

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Lmao for a bunch of self proclaimed forum warriors none of you are very good at spotting trolls.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery.

OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space.

This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics:

Option 1:
CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec.
Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!)
This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!)

Option 2:
I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5.

As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.

Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.)

Thank you in advance!

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec.

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Originally by: Aaron

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--Rules of Haulage--

1, NEVER, EVER, EVER use autopilot when hauling valuable cargo.

2, NEVER, ever, ever, ever, go afk.

3, Fit a cloak, cloak when u enter system, double click up or down, then half a second later turn on your cloak. if u stick to busy trade routes you will get lost in the crowd of ships. fly away from possible gankers to 40km. and then initiate warp.

4, Never warp to within 15km of gate.

5, Do not complain on forum if you lose expensive cargo by not following these simple, logical rules.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:56:56
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 22:52:42

Originally by: Kolmogorow

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This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

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Didn't read beyond first few responses so I'll just say
WIN
It's what happens when people don't spot sarcasm.

Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability

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Win++



God I wish there was a way I could compress the first page of this thread into a sig.
Edit: I need to reiterate how win this is. Were the first lot of posters all asleep or something? I mean, wow.

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll

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Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters.

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll

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Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters.

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ironic?

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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We do not like trolls who fail at trolling. The post was far too complicated and long to be a true troll

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Pfft, it wasn't a troll, it was an excellent ironic post which somehow went over the heads of a small mob of posters.

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ironic?

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Yes, ironic.

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it

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Quote:

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Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24

Originally by: Audio Bully

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This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it

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The most concentrated example is this:

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery.

OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space.

This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics:

Option 1:
CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec.
Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!)
This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!)

Option 2:
I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5.

As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.

Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.)

Thank you in advance!

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Originally by: Death Kill

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Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24

Originally by: Audio Bully

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This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it

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The most concentrated example is this:

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dead on sir

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:21:21

Originally by: Audio Bully

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 23:14:24

Originally by: Audio Bully

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This is an honest question, where is the irony in the OP? I cant find it

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The most concentrated example is this:

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dead on sir

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Whut?



Also, people are still responding as if this was a real post, further win occuring.

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Originally by: Death Kill

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Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.

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Originally by: fire 59

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The lesson there is don't afk haul in a paper thin ship with phat lootz in it. Learn from it or die (ingame)

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space.

This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics:

Option 1:
CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec.
Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!)
This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!)

Option 2:
I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5.

As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.

Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.)

Thank you in advance!

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Originally by: ChimeraRouge

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I hope you die of lung cancer afk smoking.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery.

OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler, the loot can dropped, CONCORD took down his battleship and ... the loot container didn't contain the pile of the item he was after (the remaining stuff was almost worthless compared to the BS). So it was an unlucky evening for both of us (more for me, by the way), blowing away half a billion iskies into space.

This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics:

Option 1:
CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec.
Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!)
This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!)

Option 2:
I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5.

As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.

Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.)

Thank you in advance!

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Quote:

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Kamikaze attacks

Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.

Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.

This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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This thread fails so badly, it turned into win. You just paid 400million isk to learn an important lesson my friend.

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Yeah, he learned how many people either failed to read or understand his post, and how many people write automatic replies based on what they *think* he was going to say.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Tarminic

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...carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Yes, but I do that afk.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK. Of course I was scanned at the gate by a high-sec pirate (and/or his nearby mate in an industrial/freighter), my stuff was identified as a lot more worth than his battleship and he decided, let's draw an expensive ticket in the ganking lottery.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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OK, he failed (can happen). He destroyed my hauler,

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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This is, of course, crap and INACCEPTABLE and can only be the result of a big hole in the game design.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec. Nobody can really have the patience and expect or wish to sit in front of the screen, mouse clicking and jumping and waiting for alignment of ships with terrible agility over distances of 10 or 20 or whatever solar systems.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics:

Option 1:
CONCORD must strike much faster and harder in high sec.
Proposal for the storyline background: An ancient paper of the Talocan was discovered describing in detail the construction and deployment of a "wormhole smartbomb" (Note: "The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics." They were able to do such things!)
This nice weapon (controlled only by CONCORD) works like the following: As soon as someone fires the first missile or blaster particle or bullet at a high sec gate a detector installed inside the gate takes notice of that, constructs a wormhole leading directly into the hostile ship, deploys a smartbomb with almost infinite destructive power through that wormhole and blows up the ship. At the same time the wormhole sucks the fired ammunition back before it can reach the attacked ship which will stay happy without a single scratch. All this must work with faster-than-light speed to take also laser guns into account which isn't really a problem for the Talocan. (Note: The Talocan could build technology "even though the scientific theories behind them remain a mystery". Yes, there are things between heaven and earth we cannot understand!)

Option 2:
I need an Autopilot-Warp-To-Zero option together with a Autopilot-Cloaked-Alignment-And-Immediate-Warp-After-Decloaking capability. I don't care if this is bound to a module or skill. I will buy the BPO, build the module and train the skill to level 5.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Because I cannot imagine that anyone (especially the window smokers) will disagree (pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck), so you only need to sign this petitionlike request for an early implementation in one of the next patches. (If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.)

Thank you in advance!

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Originally by: Adamas Skysail

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Over a day old and 3 pages later and people still don't get it... Glorious!

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Originally by: Xaen

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That's a contradiction. You exploded = he succeeded.

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Originally by: Xaen

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Looks fine to me. Let me guess, T1 hauler with minimal tanking modules fitted.

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Quote:

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So first of all it MUST be possible to afk smoke at the window without risk while flying through high sec.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Active shield tanking. I heard, the safest way when afk playing.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Malcanis

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http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341

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I really don't know why at first my post is quoted and then a link to this chapter about "Kamikaze attacks" ("This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.") follows.

It is as if I tell you I want to eat beef next Sunday and you reply: "On Friday we eat fish."

This chapter talks only about the current state of the art. And it doesn't prove that suicide ganking is NOT a hole in the game mechanics.

From a developer and legal point of view a software does not need to do what it SHOULD do applying a few atoms of common sense but only what the documentation tells about the software.

Or from another direction: If the software has a bug - and who could disagree that suicide ganking is not only a bug but a heavy design failure - you can either remove the bug or write down in the documentation that it is intended and only looking like a bug.

It can only be a temporary state. Flying around in high sec, sitting in front of the screen, not smoking at the window, pleaaaaase..., an impossible and only transitional situation, you know it!

OK, Trinity deployment wasn't postponed so I expect the implementation of the necessary changes will follow very soon after.

So, dear high sec gankers: adapt in advance and quit your business before you tumble in a deep hole of a futile ingame-life and end as a shattered nervous wreck scrunching sandcastles in the marvellous world of Hello-Kitty Online.

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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas

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Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 04/12/2007 13:30:22
I agree that suicide ganking needs to be addressed, especially if done in groups? How not sure? CONCORD yes a i agree should hit harder and alot faster
But as i ive said in another post, fit WCS lots of them, fit hardeners to limit the damage given so you can warp away.
and most of all if your hauling lots of crap FIT A CLOAK!!


So empire space is not 100% safe whoever thought it was then now realise it isnt.

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Kamikaze attacks

Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.

Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.

This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.

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Originally by: brinelan

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I don't see the problem. Nothing is safe..

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: brinelan

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I don't see the problem. Nothing is safe..

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You see the problem.

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INACCEPTABLE

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Originally by: Adamas Skysail

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Over a day old and 3 pages later and people still don't get it... Glorious!

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Hah! Vengeance is sweet!

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Kessiaan

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There was a post a few days back that proposed that cargo / ship scanning someone not in your gang or corp would flag you for kill rights for 15 minutes (like stealing a can or wreck does now).

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I have even kill rights over one month against the pirate. But I won't make use of them I think. He seems to be a friendly guy, we almost had a deal selling him a new battleship but his sec status dropped and he can't enter my manufacturing system anymore after attacking me. CONCORD should allow that after a personal invitation.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot .... <stuff> .... As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.... <more stuff>

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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(pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck),

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Originally by: Lt Angus

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Should make a list of everyone that fell for this

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot down approaching a gate with a hauler in an empire high-sec system while I was afk smoking at the window. The hauler wasn't worth anything but the cargohold contained stuff worth around 300-400 Mil ISK.

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Originally by: Slayton Ford

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a Drake is normally primaried last

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Yes, ironic.

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Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth

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...Maybe an 'away for a smoke, or a drink' icon can be applied that lasts for 5 minutes and renders you invulnerable and can be used once every 30mins or so...

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Originally by: Karrade Krise

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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(pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck),

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Sure......that makes perfect sense. Since a ship can only see ships warping into their grid for about 400 km....why not make a huge chain gang of ships, one every 400 km, from one gate to another...Because obviously you're not going to be able to probe them within 30 seconds before they warp away...

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Edited by: Kaaii on 04/12/2007 21:02:20


Has anyone ever survived a gank attempt, using the ingame tools avialable? I'm not talking scouting, nor gank avoidance,or logging the freighter, but pure planning v the gank squad?

Ie You trip the gankers up with commands, logs and implants?


Ive never read of any account, so i ask. A lot of ha ha we ganked a freighter. So I'm wondering if really the only way to not loose a freighter is just to scout? Don't jump a gate with more than 5 BS on other side?

Is that the vaunted tools spoken of here?

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Originally by: Taurequis

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Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Taurequis

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Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles.

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Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec?

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Originally by: dust monkey

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Taurequis

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Suicide ganking happens to all types of ships from freighters down to shuttles.

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Do they really have a chance taking down freighters at a gate in high sec?

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YES

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Originally by: Hamfast

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...34 seconds...

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Hamfast

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...34 seconds...

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Bah, as I said: CONCORD is too slow and too weak.

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Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Yesterday I was shot .... <stuff> .... As far as both options allow me to afk smoke at the window it doesn't matter for me which one is choosen.... <more stuff>

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Excellent post. I have to agree that there should be a mechanism for popping out for a smoke, pouring your next drinkie, etc while still flying through space and not dying. Maybe an 'away for a smoke, or a drink' icon can be applied that lasts for 5 minutes and renders you invulnerable and can be used once every 30mins or so.

Apologies to chain smokers or drinkers, but more than once in 30 mins is too exploitable.
Cheers,
Ruf.

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Originally by: Carolina Sky

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...the gankers get all the rewards for no risk , cause insurance covers them...

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Smoking kills.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

There is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, carrying around 400 million ISK in a 1 million ISK hauler is absolutely idiotic.

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Originally by: Cipher7

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This thread is epic failure.

Nothing wrong with suicide ganking.

Use a transport or a tanked BS to haul valuables.

t1 haulers are for hauling voluminous amounts of low-value stuff.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal.

Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles!

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Originally by: Edelhonk

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1. the T2 are brought in the game from CCP for lowsec space, check the description

2. did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored.

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Originally by: Edelhonk

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal.

Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles!

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seems you are not up to date...atm suizide gankers hunting even Freigters

so you argument is BS

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Removing the reward for suicide gankers would also fix a great deal.

Stop moving valuables in T1 haulers and shuttles!

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Originally by: Jovienus

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Suicide ganking is like real life suicide bombers.

-J

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Originally by: Jovienus

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real life suicide bombers.

-J

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Originally by: Jovienus

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suicide bombers.

-J

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Originally by: Jovienus

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suicide

-J

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Originally by: Vagablonde

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Originally by: Jovienus

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Suicide ganking is like real life suicide bombers.

-J

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Originally by: Jovienus

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real life suicide bombers.

-J

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Originally by: Jovienus

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suicide bombers.

-J

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Originally by: Jovienus

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suicide

-J

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Originally by: Edelhonk

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...did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Originally by: Edelhonk

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...did you ever fly 25 or more (even with warp to 0 it takes over 45 min to do a run of 25 jumps) jumps, its boring like hell and i play this game to have fun, not to be bored.

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THAT is by far the most sophisticated statement about the issue! And the only solution not to be bored flying 25 jumps through high sec is to fly afk and to do something other in the meantime.

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Originally by: Semkhet

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Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP...

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Originally by: Semkhet

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Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP...

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Originally by: abbagabba

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Edited by: abbagabba on 11/12/2007 01:24:23

Originally by: Semkhet

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Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP...

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I keep thinking it's the other, almost identical post that was deadly serious. You can't expect people to read page 1 before they reply, can you?

But I agree with the op, everyone has the right to a bit of afk smoking.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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thats a boot.ini a file used by windows

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Originally by: OOOSOOO

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Option 3:
The INVULNERABILITY BUTTON

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Originally by: Athus

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I have carried 4 and 500 mil piles of goods in a ity . . .

can't get ganked if your warping to 0.

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Only thing that might come good to "balance" Suicide ganking is:
you get Concorded, no insurance money for you.

Now you cant use a recyclable Domi that costs you peanuts. Balanced. Concord sponsored insurance giving you payout when you were cought breaking law and your ship destroyed by police??? No logic there.

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So I need urgently the following alternative changes in the game mechanics:

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Originally by: Great Guardian

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Pirating in high sec is safer for pirates than pirating in low sec!?

ROFL @ CCP.


Cheers,
GG

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I THINK SUICIDE GANKERS SHOULD BE MADE TO FLY NOTHING BUT NOOB SHIPS THE ENTIRETY OF THE KILL RIGHTS PERIOD!

FEEEEEX EET SEE SEE PEE

Originally by: Lothros Andastar

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Originally by: Audio Bully

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Originally by: Tarminic

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FAIL

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FAILSAUCE

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FAILSAUCE WITH A SIDE OF WTFPWN

I have no sympathy for you. if you had any brains you'd realise that going AFK in space anywhere = the risk of being popped.

Also hauling 500m of stuff in a t1 hauler? you sir do fail.

As for a critical response to your well formatted post, all I can say if your too whiny even for WoW. Hello Kitty Online is where you belong

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Does "Trolling" include not to tell the truth? Probably it is one of the most used words in the forum but it is not suitable in this thread.

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Only thing that might come good to "balance" Suicide ganking is:
you get Concorded, no insurance money for you.

Now you cant use a recyclable Domi that costs you peanuts. Balanced. Concord sponsored insurance giving you payout when you were cought breaking law and your ship destroyed by police??? No logic there.

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FAIL

Originally by: Anacrit Mc'Sinister

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INVULNERABILITY BUTTON!!

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1. not be AFK with 400 million ISK on the line


2. use your intellect to make the journey without going through popular ganking grounds


3. build a better ship to tank between jumps

Originally by: abbagabba

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Edited by: abbagabba on 11/12/2007 01:24:23

Originally by: Semkhet

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Fascinating. Can't believe that this thread reached 174 posts with half the replies displaying a complete inability to grasp the spirit of the OP...

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I keep thinking it's the other, almost identical post that was deadly serious. You can't expect people to read page 1 before they reply, can you?

But I agree with the op, everyone has the right to a bit of afk smoking.

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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Option 3:
The INVULNERABILITY BUTTON

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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pirates could still hunt in the middle between two gates waiting for ships with low capacitor capacity coming out of warp directly in front of them - with a little luck

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Originally by: Kolmogorow

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If necessary the Trinity patch can be postponed.

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Originally by: Ice Moon

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I agree totally with the OP.

And, while we're on it, what happened to those hauler drones CCP promised, which would carry stuff from jetcans back to a station automatically?

I think this is important - miners need to smoke too, right?

There are lots of other kinds of drones; we're still waiting for the hauler drones, it's only fair that they're implemented. They would massively increase mineral production which is good for everyone.

I like the game, but there are some simple improvements we're still waiting for.

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Originally by: Krashtest

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If you want to go afk , there is a mechanism in game which allows that. IT IS CALLED DOCKING.

If the person who shot you wanted to go afk , he would have missed this golden opportunity.

If you cannot afford to lose what you are hauling, use a safer hauler (transport ship) and DO NOT GO AFK and expect to be 100 % safe.

You brought this upon yourself by making yourself a very easy target.

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Originally by: Cvuos

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Maybe you should be able to select that you're a smoker in the registration menu and then be able to safely go afk.

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