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scott trade
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:35:00 -
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Sometimes i wish there was an enterprise in EVE. What would win a a fight the enterprise (D), an EVE dreadnaught, the ship from Firefly, the battlestar gallactica, or an imperial star drestroyer..please post reasons and not just flames.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:38:00 -
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Enterprise is just a caldari ship shooting lasers.... it'll get pwned just like any other laser shooting caldari ship
 Originally by: ISD Valorem
The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
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Tammarr
Trident RMBK
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:39:00 -
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'WARP SCRAMBLED' Pickard: omg omg, warp core is destablized. We cant get out.
*boom*
*Meepmeep (Moros) is scrambling you.*
You cannot do that, pickards command chair left system as of 3 seconds ago.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/12/2007 17:42:08
Putting aside for a minute the mutually exclusive scientific bases and completely different power scales of each of those, how can you include Serenity when it is unarmed? 
I really do not know how you can request proper answers when posting a comparison which essentially comes down to how big a number some writer wrote sometime is.
You might as well ask how long a piece of string is.
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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:40:00 -
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nah the enterprise would be like the new sansha ships, which are made of win. also jean-luc picard > pod pilot tbh.
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scott trade
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Putting aside from a minute the mutually exclusive scientific bases and completely different power scales of each of those, how can you include Serenity when it is unarmed?
i dunno
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:44:00 -
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Crew> Warp core offline, shileds down and multiple hull breaches.
Crew2>They are hailing us
Kirjava>300M or your ship goes splodey
Picard> This is completly unprovoked!
Kirjava> Lol noob, thats what they all say, now pay 
By this we can see that my Manticore outclasses the Enterprise....
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: scott trade
Sometimes i wish there was an enterprise in EVE. What would win a a fight the enterprise (D), an EVE dreadnaught, the ship from Firefly, the battlestar gallactica, or an imperial star drestroyer..please post reasons and not just flames.
No.
Just... no.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:48:00 -
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Sometimes I wish I could build a Deathstar and use it during the middle of construction. Then I could go, "Witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!"
And then blow up a Moros.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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elohllird
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Crew> Warp core offline, shileds down and multiple hull breaches.
Crew2>They are hailing us
Kirjava>300M or your ship goes splodey
Picard> This is completly unprovoked!
Kirjava> Lol noob, thats what they all say, now pay
By this we can see that my Manticore outclasses the Enterprise....
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:50:00 -
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If Star Trek and EVE-O were combined, EVE-O wouldn't make it past the first episode.
Q: You are charged with being a savage child race!
EVE-O: NOOB!
*Q destroys humanity*
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Cardice Makar
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Crew> Warp core offline, shileds down and multiple hull breaches.
Crew2>They are hailing us
Kirjava>300M or your ship goes splodey
Picard> This is completly unprovoked!
Kirjava> Lol noob, thats what they all say, now pay
By this we can see that my Manticore outclasses the Enterprise....
If only I got the feeling I was crushing years of legacy every time I blew someone up. Oh man...
Also: I laughed. The people I work with looked at me funny.
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Lord DerekSegan
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:55:00 -
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EVE tech seems a lot weaker than Star Trek tech.
Based purely on my guess-opinion regarding the tech of EVE vs ST, I would say that the Enterprise represents a much higher level of technology. If nothing else, it's sublight speeds are tremendously faster than EVE sublight speeds. It could speed tank any EVE ship 100%.
Enterprise is said to do at least 75% of lightspeed even when not in Warp. That is equal to 75% of 299792458 metres per second -- basically, a LOT faster than any EVE weapon.
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Kiviar
Caldari
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:58:00 -
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Enterprise would win. Why? Because Picard would order them to shoot an inverse tachyon beam. As everyone knows, inverse tachyon beams solve every problem. If somehow that failed, they could perhaps shout an inverse gravaton beam, or failing that, a sideways gravy beam.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:59:00 -
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Enterprise-E: Approximately battleship sized with pretty strong shields and a fairly heavy armament. However, it would be extremely vulnerable to Nosferatu or Energy Neutralizers and it pretty much has no armor at all, so I think the average battleship could take it down.
Battlestar Galactica: Also battleship sized, a fairly impressive battery of cannons and missiles, but it has no shields and no ability to actively repair armor in combat. In addition it's weapons are fairly short-range. It would probably lose a fight against any battleship in EVE and half the cruisers, sadly.
Serenity: It's about the size of a destroyer and has no decent weapons. FAIL.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.04 17:59:00 -
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Eve is post-apocalyptic space travel while Star Trek is super-far-future space travel (no apocalypse). Minmatar tech has been stated by Devs to be comparable to modern day Earth technology, but with more spaceships and less shirts. Although the other races are technologically more advanced, that hasn't really translated well into power. Ultimately, my bets are for the Enterprise pulling a surprise comeback win in the form of a one hour special edition episode. Picard loses his shirt.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Enterprise-E: Approximately battleship sized with pretty strong shields and a fairly heavy armament. However, it would be extremely vulnerable to Nosferatu or Energy Neutralizers and it pretty much has no armor at all, so I think the average battleship could take it down.
Battlestar Galactica: Also battleship sized, a fairly impressive battery of cannons and missiles, but it has no shields and no ability to actively repair armor in combat. In addition it's weapons are fairly short-range. It would probably lose a fight against any battleship in EVE and half the cruisers, sadly.
Serenity: It's about the size of a destroyer and has no decent weapons. FAIL.
But what about a TARDIS?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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KarGard
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Serenity: It's about the size of a destroyer and has no decent weapons. FAIL.
Iirc serenity was completley unarmed. Unless you consider whitty banter a weapon.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lord DerekSegan
Based purely on my guess-opinion regarding the tech of EVE vs ST, I would say that the Enterprise represents a much higher level of technology. If nothing else, it's sublight speeds are tremendously faster than EVE sublight speeds. It could speed tank any EVE ship 100%.
Enterprise is said to do at least 75% of lightspeed even when not in Warp. That is equal to 75% of 299792458 metres per second -- basically, a LOT faster than any EVE weapon.
Yes, but drop a web or two on them, and they would probably rip themselves appart trying break free. There are plenty of cases where they have been webbed/tractor beamed to prevent them from speed tanking. While they have the top speed, they don't have the structural strength to get there when something is holding them in place.
The real problem is how fast they can refit their ship. It is like they have ARM Scripts for their shield hardeners: ie rotate shield frequancies. Not to mention their cap/heat management: they are always drawing power from systems and overloading others. You would want to make sure that you are hitting them with multispectal damage and some serious nos/neut.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
If Star Trek and EVE-O were combined, EVE-O wouldn't make it past the first episode.
Q: You are charged with being a savage child race!
EVE-O: NOOB!
*Q destroys humanity*
I cuckled
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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schurem
Silver Snake Enterprise
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
If Star Trek and EVE-O were combined, EVE-O wouldn't make it past the first episode.
Q: You are charged with being a savage child race!
EVE-O: NOOB!
*Q destroys humanity*
this!
However, I still think EvE needs more and better tactical warning sounds.
<<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>>
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
But what about a TARDIS?
Tardis could probably tank anything but a DDD blast, but it's offensive capabilities are decidedly unimpressive.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lord DerekSegan
Enterprise is said to do at least 75% of lightspeed even when not in Warp. That is equal to 75% of 299792458 metres per second -- basically, a LOT faster than any EVE weapon.
Where do you get this information? I'm pretty damn sure that the Enterprise can't reach relativistic speeds under impulse power. 
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
But what about a TARDIS?
Tardis could probably tank anything but a DDD blast, but it's offensive capabilities are decidedly unimpressive.
I don't think it has any offensive capabilities. But, all it really needs is a sonic screwdriver.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Sometimes I wish I could build a Deathstar and use it during the middle of construction. Then I could go, "Witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!"
And then blow up a Moros.
I wonder how many Titans would be needed to take out your Deathstar. Remember, they are not small enough to fly thru the channel leading to the exhaust port.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:21:00 -
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The TARDIS could tank all the dooms day devices in new eden all at once, and as time altering technology doesn't exist in EVE no one could stop it leaving, the Daleks managed to catch it a few times but the Daleks time tech matched the time lords.
Also dont forget the Doctors TARDIS isn't fully functional as it was rescued from being recycled, a fully functional one does have weapons and even greater defenses.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Vagablonde
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:21:00 -
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the enterprise can move a 75% lightspeed and its fighting range is like an order of magnitude (yay i said oom) higher. It would be a horrible slaughter of every ship in eve :( not to mention the science and technology in star trek is an absurdly advanced mess of plot devices, in star wars they use a ship made from blackholes that's insanely mega-expensive to make to blow up a star, in star trek they just shoot a little missle at one and boom.
:o/
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:23:00 -
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Picard> Captains log, stardate unknown, the ship is gone, everyone is dead. We said we didn't have any "ISK" and this Kirjava destroyed the ship and pillaged it....
Kirjava> Yep, you only had a few crappy things, few commodities for market, Oxygen, Protitutes and a bit of antimatter.....
Picard> How the hell are you seeing this? What prostitutes???
Kirjava> Stop spamming local....
Picard> But what about?...
Kirjava> 
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Enterprise is just a caldari ship shooting lasers.... it'll get pwned just like any other laser shooting caldari ship
Fear the photon torpedo! It just got a 25% rof boost. Unfortunately it appears to do em damage. 
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Grif Oberwald
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: JamnOne
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Sometimes I wish I could build a Deathstar and use it during the middle of construction. Then I could go, "Witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!"
And then blow up a Moros.
I wonder how many Titans would be needed to take out your Deathstar. Remember, they are not small enough to fly thru the channel leading to the exhaust port.
1 carrier somewhere in system - all it needs is a fighter 
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Gamer Maximus
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:32:00 -
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which class Star Destroyer? The Enteprise would win if its a smaller model (such as the Victory class), but if the star destoyer is Executioner class (the Super Star Destroyer from Return of the Jedi), then I would give the nod to the star destroyer.
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:36:00 -
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even a normal stardestroyer would pawn the enterprise, there was once a website which stated both sides statistics and compared them to eachother. lemme search it..
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:38:00 -
[33]
Linkage
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Taedrin
Gallente
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 04/12/2007 18:43:34
The more I think about it, the more it seems that as wussy as Star Trek is, the technology is FAR superior to EVE technology. The only advantages that EVE has over Star Trek are NOS/Neuts and worm hole manipulation (star gates for instantaneous travel).
Ships in Star Trek are capable of traveling thousands of times faster than the speed of light while in EVE, you only travel a fraction of that speed.
However, if throw Titans into the equation...
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:43:00 -
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:47:00 -
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
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Originally by: Jean'Luc Picard
I should have paid Kirjava that bloody randsom.....
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 04/12/2007 18:43:34
The more I think about it, the more it seems that as wussy as Star Trek is, the technology is FAR superior to EVE technology.
thats exactly the point, wussy ass startrek aint about technology in first line and more about how "socialising" could behave with different lifeforms. that, plus it basically is sorcery in space cuz they can pull any kind of countermeasure technology **** out of their arse, at any time from anywhere. point
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The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Nocturnal Avenger on 04/12/2007 18:56:57
Originally by: Lord DerekSegan
Enterprise is said to do at least 75% of lightspeed even when not in Warp. That is equal to 75% of 299792458 metres per second -- basically, a LOT faster than any EVE weapon.
Laser fire would be 33% faster than that :D
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:03:00 -
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Screw Picard!
All you need is Jim Kirk, enterprise or not! That man can hold his breath for eternity and kill eveything else with his wit alone.
Ships are for pod pilots and Picards.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:04:00 -
[41]
The LEXX would eat all your ships and IS the most powerful in the GAZILLION universe!
Originally by: Turin
The problem is, lately, your not carrying a nerf stick, but more like a small scale tactical nuclear nerf bomb.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Maestro Ulv
Screw Picard!
All you need is Jim Kirk, enterprise or not! That man can hold his breath for eternity and kill eveything else with his wit alone.
Ships are for pod pilots and Picards.
/me Pops the Original Enterprise, scoops Kirk to hold and throws him in the same can as his timewarp edition Chuck Noris.....
Let battle commence.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:05:00 -
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BSG is more a carrier with 4 siege guns :D
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Enterprise-E: Approximately battleship sized with pretty strong shields and a fairly heavy armament. However, it would be extremely vulnerable to Nosferatu or Energy Neutralizers and it pretty much has no armor at all, so I think the average battleship could take it down.
Battlestar Galactica: Also battleship sized, a fairly impressive battery of cannons and missiles, but it has no shields and no ability to actively repair armor in combat. In addition it's weapons are fairly short-range. It would probably lose a fight against any battleship in EVE and half the cruisers, sadly.
Serenity: It's about the size of a destroyer and has no decent weapons. FAIL.
how are you supposed to win a fight against the enterprise E? it's so fast moving as to be nearly impossible to target assuming it bothered closing to eve ranges which it's not going to given it can hit from nearly a thousand times the range of the best weapons in eve.
as for the battlestar the biggest thing with it is sheer size. each of the pods hanging off the side is about the size of an enterprise class cvn which makes the whole ship pretty hefty. her weapons seem to be mostly for anti raider work rather than engaging other warships though i remember she had a fairly hefty missile launch capability so you'd probably want to consider her equipped with capital torp launchers. a dread should be able to at least hurt the battlestar. does have the ability to put at least 64 fighters into the fray though which is gonna sting some.
alas poor firefly is not much of a competitor being essentially an indy.
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Aldred Kes
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tajidan
even a normal stardestroyer would pawn the enterprise, there was once a website which stated both sides statistics and compared them to eachother. lemme search it..
The only thing missing is that canon weapon types and shielding systems. I think of you include those star trek canon wins out against all. If you account for those no other ship stands a chance. It's stated in episodes of tng that federation shield systems in star trek are completly immune to laser based weapons, (though SW turbo lasers aren't lasers, it takes a can of gas, turns it into plasma and then fires it, negated by the following statement and the fact that shield routines cna just be altered to you know, sit in a sun.) Also kenetic based weapons are useless as well since the basic navigational deflector is designed to withstand micro meteor impacts while moving at like 900x the speed of light, and that's not even the offensive shielding system.
Add to that, that star trek canon has mastered energy to mass conversions with the transpoters and you've got problems for everyone. You can't fight when your crew just got beamed into space.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:11:00 -
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The nerd is strong in this thread.
Also the win!
But tell me more about this sideways gravy beam, your ideas intrigue me, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter and/or pamplet.
Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Nuala Reece
Caldari
Starlancers
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:13:00 -
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I would join in this discussion if I didn't know that would make it absolutely obvious to everyone reading how much I need to get laid 
Starlancers
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nuala Reece
I would join in this discussion if I didn't know that would make it absolutely obvious to everyone reading how much I need to get laid
You play Eve, we all know sex is secondary to it so don't worry
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:15:00 -
[49]
lol sorry but a battlestar -.- imo that thing is more an like advanced spacefaring RL carrier, you could compare it to carriers from space&above and beyond or similar. but comparing it to eve or starwars/-trek ships is slightly off the scale. but basically ALL this comparing makes absolutely no sense in the end because all of them are from fictional worlds with all their fluff more or less only visions and ripped out of every guidlines which would allow comparison.
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Vagablonde
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:19:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Nuala Reece
I would join in this discussion if I didn't know that would make it absolutely obvious to everyone reading how much I need to get laid
+1.
star trek wins though, no matter how many yottawatts of energy a star destroyer has, because.../slaps self in face and shuts up.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:23:00 -
[51]
There is a dreadnaught class ship in ST and yes, it is tougher than the enterprise, albeit less versatile.
The TARDIS would appear inside your ship and you would go to ambulation.
Serenity is effectively an unarmed stealth ship. the Eve ship would whine about how overpowered this new 'evade sensors by going dark' skill is while serenity made it onto a planet where the eve ship can't touch it.
Galactica would hold its own until Starbuck did something collosally stupid at which point the Eve ship would just die for no clear reason.
And Mr Blobby would totally pwn any supercap for no reason whatsoever.
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Plave Okice
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:23:00 -
[52]
IT'S NOT REAL
Weirdos
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Cosa Nostra
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Posted - 2007.12.04 19:39:00 -
[53]
Here:
http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:00:00 -
[54]
Edited by: SoftRevolution on 04/12/2007 20:00:06
Originally by: Nuala Reece
I would join in this discussion if I didn't know that would make it absolutely obvious to everyone reading how much I need to get laid
If you can join in this conversation you're never seeing boobies again anyway 
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Chenoa Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:04:00 -
[55]
The Enterprise-D would pwn the hell out of a Dreadnought and could tank some DD shots, and the Borg cube would easily tank 100s of Titan doomsday shots. |
OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:06:00 -
[56]
I think the Borg will simply reject the EVE inferior ships (as well as collectively staring in amazement at the duct-taped Minimatar ships).
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Sylvia Lafayette
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:16:00 -
[57]
Originally by: OldWolfe
I think the Borg will simply reject the EVE inferior ships (as well as collectively staring in amazement at the duct-taped Minimatar ships).
QFT
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justinalt
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:21:00 -
[58]
Edited by: justinalt on 04/12/2007 20:21:29
The Battlestar Galactica would get the, "Please remove any cargo from ships in your ship main array before undocking." It would be unable to undock an would be destroyed before launching one fighter.
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:25:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Cybarite on 04/12/2007 20:27:11
Originally by: Aldred Kes
Originally by: Tajidan
even a normal stardestroyer would pawn the enterprise, there was once a website which stated both sides statistics and compared them to eachother. lemme search it..
The only thing missing is that canon weapon types and shielding systems. I think of you include those star trek canon wins out against all. If you account for those no other ship stands a chance. It's stated in episodes of tng that federation shield systems in star trek are completly immune to laser based weapons, (though SW turbo lasers aren't lasers, it takes a can of gas, turns it into plasma and then fires it, negated by the following statement and the fact that shield routines cna just be altered to you know, sit in a sun.) Also kenetic based weapons are useless as well since the basic navigational deflector is designed to withstand micro meteor impacts while moving at like 900x the speed of light, and that's not even the offensive shielding system.
Add to that, that star trek canon has mastered energy to mass conversions with the transpoters and you've got problems for everyone. You can't fight when your crew just got beamed into space.
man your science is bad and your facts are worse, star trek shields are NOT immune to lasers, nothing is. The reason lasers come up so frequently in sci fi is because they litteraly don't have a top end power, as long as you pump more energy into it it'll continue to get more intense, the only limitation is your powersource, and the stress levels your firing mechanism can take. Also a phaser is a type of laser, just more theoreticle than the normal ones, and another thing, ammar have Tachyon lasers, that sounds like something out of trek to me IMO.
its all moot anyway, the vorlon's and shadows could wtfpwn the whole lot of them with a couple of scout ships.
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omiNATION
Gallente
Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:25:00 -
[60]
"My imaginary statistics can beat your imaginary statistics"
I was reading the Empire vs. Federation link when i said to my self "wtf, these Star Wars numbers are completely made up," then i realized what I just said then burned my computer.
1. You guys are comparing ships of different sizes, technology bases, and 'scientific rules'
2. You guys all seriously need to get laid.
3. wtf, no Babylon 5 mentions?
4. The last starfighter, hands down. I mean sure you can name more powerful ships, but name one that can breakdance. Didn't think so.
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EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules.
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omiNATION
Gallente
Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:27:00 -
[61]
Damn someone just beat me to the punch about Babylon 5.
Here's a better comparison. Homeworld 2 tech to EVE tech, who would win?
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EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules.
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:30:00 -
[62]
Originally by: omiNATION
Damn someone just beat me to the punch about Babylon 5.
Here's a better comparison. Homeworld 2 tech to EVE tech, who would win?
yay for babylon 5, the only one that actually tried to be hard sci fi (well untill firefly)
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:30:00 -
[63]
The nerd in this thread is weak, noones mentioned Babylon 5 ships yet 
Omega class Destroyer, on par with EVE battleships in fire power but its 8-10 meter thick plate far out classes most EVE ships, Enterprise D would destroy it but it would mangle the Galactica with ease, also on par with a star destroyer,
Omega X class, A standard Omega class ship fitted with shadow tech, Its fusion beams would rip apart the Enterprise D and any ship from EVE, ISD wouldn't stand a chance either and its bio armor plus its 8-10 meter armor plate would prove resilient to any attacks from any of these ships.
Those are 2 of Earth forces commonly used fleet ship and are not exceptional by B5 standards, Ships like the Dark star and shadow and Vorlon ships nothing really compares except maybe Lexx.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Baleur
Miners In Barges
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:34:00 -
[64]
Originally by: omiNATION
Damn someone just beat me to the punch about Babylon 5.
Here's a better comparison. Homeworld 2 tech to EVE tech, who would win?
Homeworld 2, no doubt. Its battleships have like 20 guns, eve's battleships has 8. Go figure.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:37:00 -
[65]
The Lexx vs Enterprise - X, any StarDestroyer and EVE Ships....
Stanley > Lexx are there any sex slave on those ships?
Lexx > I believe there is one or two on the Eve ships Stanley.
Picard > Stop that non sense! This is a pacific federation.
Eve Pilot > Noob!!! Eat My POD...
... > I am your father Stanley! Give me the Key!
Stanley > Lexx blow up that mess and lets find a strip club.
Lexx > Yes Stanley.
Originally by: Turin
The problem is, lately, your not carrying a nerf stick, but more like a small scale tactical nuclear nerf bomb.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:39:00 -
[66]
Oh man...I would love to see a bunch of Shadow ships tear through a fleet in EVE...it'd be like orbital fireworks.
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ZenTex
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:41:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tarminic
Stuff
WTF? I've been away for a mere 6 weeks and they unpinked you already? 
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix.
If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer.
If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
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Chenoa Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:41:00 -
[68]
Species 8472 would wipe the floor with anything the Shadows have to offer. |
Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:42:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Baleur
Originally by: omiNATION
Damn someone just beat me to the punch about Babylon 5.
Here's a better comparison. Homeworld 2 tech to EVE tech, who would win?
Homeworld 2, no doubt. Its battleships have like 20 guns, eve's battleships has 8. Go figure.
the biggest/most powerfull ships you could build in HW2 were the Higaran battlecruisers, they had 2x daul Ion beam, I think a couple regular Ions, and like 4 pulsar cannons for deffence.
The Point defence systems mod for that game on the other hand... yeah if anyone else played that you try to describe it, I can't.
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:43:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Chenoa Gallente
Species 8472 would wipe the floor with anything the Shadows have to offer.
how do you figure? sure they blew up a planet, but a single shadow battle crab has about the same firepower. I'll go dig up the essay from b5tech
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:44:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Tammarr
*Meepmeep (Moros) is scrambling you.*
You cannot do that, pickards command chair left system as of 3 seconds ago.
LOL!
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:51:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Cybarite
Originally by: Chenoa Gallente
Species 8472 would wipe the floor with anything the Shadows have to offer.
how do you figure? sure they blew up a planet, but a single shadow battle crab has about the same firepower. I'll go dig up the essay from b5tech
Agreed, species 8472 where powerful but not that powerful, They only proved resilient to the Borg due to the fact that to learn about something the Borg need to assimilate it and they could not do this with species 8472 so they could not figure out how to defeat them, and in the end all it took was a simple adjust of existing nanotechnology to send them packing.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:54:00 -
[73]
Lexx, Now that was a great series. So many classic moments, so very cheesy, like Spaceballs only... worse.
Kai: "The dead do not poo"
Kai: "I killed mothers with their babies. I've killed great philosophers, proud young warriors, and revolutionaries. I've killed the evil, the good, the intelligent, the weak, and the beautiful. I have done this in the service of His Divine Shadow and his predecessors, and apparently the fun never ends!"
Zev: "What kind of robot are you?"
790: "I am a robot that wants to live in your underpants."
790: "29 hours of necrophilia-filled fun!"
Lexx: "I am the Lexx. The most powerful destructive weapon in the two universes. Stanley Tweedle is my captain. I blow up planets for him."
Lexx: "Distress, distress.. I am being penetrated..."
I could go on... but I probably shouldn't.
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LastTraitorStanding
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kiviar
Edited by: Kiviar on 04/12/2007 18:00:18
Enterprise would win. Why? Because Picard would order them to shoot an inverse tachyon beam. As everyone knows, inverse tachyon beams solve every problem. If somehow that failed, they could perhaps shout an inverse gravaton beam, or failing that, a sideways gravy beam.
Either way, when someone from Star Trek, starts pointing adjective beams at you, you might as well pack up and go home, since its all over for you.
This right here is pretty much the funniest thing I've ever read on the eve forums. Good job, sir.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
The Smithzonian Institute
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:58:00 -
[75]
The Enterprise would win eventually based on the sheer number of tribles that would fill up the enemies ships. All you need in one trible and some feed. Stick it in an enemy rifter and let it dock, thats one space station down.
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Kirmok
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:59:00 -
[76]
At least there wasn't the blob in Star Trek! When ships went boom, the warp core breached and there was a MASSIVE M/A reaction.
We need ship explosions to cause damage in EVE!
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.04 21:09:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Kirmok
At least there wasn't the blob in Star Trek! When ships went boom, the warp core breached and there was a MASSIVE M/A reaction.
We need ship explosions to cause damage in EVE!
I'd count the Dominion+Cardasians+Breen VS Federation+Klingons+Romulans as a pretty big blob war
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.04 21:13:00 -
[78]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Sometimes I wish I could build a Deathstar and use it during the middle of construction. Then I could go, "Witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!"
Personally I think the Avatar looks like that piece of the Death Star they pulled out to give it the shooting crater.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.04 21:18:00 -
[79]
The main question is... How woudl enterprise deal with LAG?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Jolnas Arbiter
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Posted - 2007.12.04 21:20:00 -
[80]
Methinks the enterprise is more like a battlecruiser or possibly a command ship in eve.
I think the dread would win...
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caladron prime
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Posted - 2007.12.04 21:52:00 -
[81]
somewhere, Chuck Norris chuckles.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.04 21:55:00 -
[82]
I did find it amazing the first time I read the Star Wars Vs. Star Trek comparison that someone could write something that long and detailed, and fail the realize that entire time that the comparison is invalid as they are two different universes.
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:07:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
I did find it amazing the first time I read the Star Wars Vs. Star Trek comparison that someone could write something that long and detailed, and fail the realize that entire time that the comparison is invalid as they are two different universes.
true but he's actually pretty accurate, most of the stuff is based on observed phenomemon within the shows and movies, and then estimating the forces involved, the B5 tech site is even more accurate in that regard.
But basically yeah they are two seperate universes with observed phenomena that would be physically impossible IRL and in eachother, so the comparison is somewhat skewed.
B5 still kicks both their asses though, where the trek universe has a tech base thats ~300 years beyond our own, and the starwars has a tech base ~2000 years ahead, the ancients in B5 are about 2 billion years ahead
and of course none of it matters because it's all pretend.
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InVictus Kell
Gallente
Tactical Solutions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:10:00 -
[84]
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/07/30/scifi-ship-size-chart/scifi-ship-chart/
now just plug in the numbers representing EVE-O ships. that should help give an idea of scale. not really power, but bigger ships are usually to be feared :)
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DARTHxFREE
G.R.U.N.T
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:14:00 -
[85]
At the end of all space battle's is Ace Rimmer smoking a kipper on the exhaust fumes of the StarBug
/join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Kiviar
Caldari
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:15:00 -
[86]
Dahak would win.
But really, the only thing that could ever possibly defeat him, is piccolo.
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Wacoede
Amarr
Allied Combat Team
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:44:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Wacoede on 04/12/2007 22:44:13
its surprising to me that no-one has posted this
Voltaire - USS Make s*** up
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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
when someone sez "eve is too tuff"
standard reply is "can i have stuff?"
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Johli
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:44:00 -
[88]
Pfft, Voyager even with 25th century armor/technology is weak. In that same episode, the Borg still managed to damage it.
Simply put:
Strongest:
Enterprise D/E (speed messes up all Dread guns, and all those damn treknobabble terms can kill a ship all on it's own. And you know if you destroy it, somebody in the future will fix it all.)
Borg
Andromeda Acendant (Andromeda)
Dreadnought
Battlestar Galactica (Kinda of a tie, the Galactica is like a carrier with really large guns. And it has that oh so sexy FTL)
Voyager
Firefly (it's not even armed)
Weakest
I didn't include those ships I never heard of.
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Kimiko Kurosawa
The Krugerrand Groupies
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:52:00 -
[89]
Wow, this thread reminds me what it was like to be 8 again.
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pcgamereve
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:01:00 -
[90]
Linkage
I didnt make this but i thought it was funny
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:07:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Omega class Destroyer, on par with EVE battleships in fire power but its 8-10 meter thick plate far out classes most EVE ships, Enterprise D would destroy it but it would mangle the Galactica with ease, also on par with a star destroyer,
1600mm plates, isn't so far away, especially when you fit 7-8 of them. At least, I assume they're 1600mm thick, rather than anything else.
But really, all your comparisons are moot, because the Liberator clearly steals the whole show.
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Snowcrash Winterheart2
Gallente
Concordia Discors
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:08:00 -
[92]
Setting aside all the stuff. In EVE the Enterprise would be torn apart. In the Star Trek universe the Dreadie would go down; not being able to move freely along all three axis will do that to you.
Of course, brining in the CNV-201 "Dreadnought" from the old I-War games (with Newtonian physics attached) would walk all over the ones you mentioned... something about cork-screw orbiting and gun tracking speeds :)
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slag Taramen
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:11:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Lord DerekSegan
EVE tech seems a lot weaker than Star Trek tech.
Based purely on my guess-opinion regarding the tech of EVE vs ST, I would say that the Enterprise represents a much higher level of technology. If nothing else, it's sublight speeds are tremendously faster than EVE sublight speeds. It could speed tank any EVE ship 100%.
This is true. They can crank right up to 99.999% of lightspeed almost instantly using their impulse engines. Not 200 meters per second.
Quote:
Enterprise is said to do at least 75% of lightspeed even when not in Warp. That is equal to 75% of 299792458 metres per second -- basically, a LOT faster than any EVE weapon.
They'd have to be able to engage that quickly, which wouldn't happen without automation.
In any case, the Trek guys don't have confused developers who think "antimatter charges" are special because they do "kinetic" damage, or weapons that, for some unknown reason, do less damage if they travel a few extra kilometers (or few million extra, for that matter), even though there's nothing to slow them down in space.
Fortunately for Eve, though, they also suffer from being a flight simulation, not a true space simulation. Banking anyone? Or slowing to a stop once the engines are not running?
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:17:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Adonis 4174
And Mr Blobby would totally pwn any supercap for no reason whatsoever.
HAHAH ! That's funny, because Mr Blobby doesn't have any weapons
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The SAS
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:22:00 -
[95]
Also the Enterprise is immune to lasers. I remember years ago some episode where a few ships were firing at the Enterprise and Picard said something like "let them fire until their lasers run dry, they wont hurt her".
"Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium. |
slag Taramen
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:23:00 -
[96]
Speed-wise, though, Eve ships at "6 AU per second" warp speed could travel to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (4.3 light years) in about 12 1/2 hours. I don't think "Warp 8" or even "9.997" can do that well. And Eve's stargates make the Borg transwarp conduit tunnels look pathetic. Eve would have grown across the whole galaxy in the course of the few hundred years Trek has taken to even bother to have knowledge of 11% of the galaxy, much less explore, much less settle.
How do the ships compare, size-wise? In movies, the larger the ship, generally the more powerful.
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:24:00 -
[97]
Actually, The Hyperion Wins here.
An L Antimatter Charge is .005m3. Photon Torpedo sized? That means antimatter, much more, lots of. 8 425s. At an RoF of like 5 seconds. 8 Photon Torpedoes, every 5 seconds?
And thats assuming that the Charges use the same amount of Antimatter as a torpedo. It could be more.
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Lord DerekSegan
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:26:00 -
[98]
Weell, I got my info from the official ST manuals. Trust me the Enterprise can reach relativistic speeds. The Enterprise can also target incoming missiles and blow them up extremely easily (why don't we see more point-defense guns in EVE?).
So half (or more) of the EVE weapons wouldn't even hit the Enterprise most of the time..
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:38:00 -
[99]
Random Trek Trivia nerd knowledge GO!!!!
The Enterprise:
Advantages: fitted with the equivalent of five tech 2 mega beam lasers, except that its locking and optimal range are both in the order of 30,000Km. Multiple torpedo launchers, each torpedo with an effectively unlimited range owing to the ability to travel at warp speed, explosive payload probably on par with an EVE torpedo. Considerably faster at warp than all EVE ships. Transporters. Crew able to bullsh** their way out of pretty much any situation provided they aren't wearing red.
Disadvantages: Takes five years to build one. Shield systems on par with Caldari tech, armour and hull considerably below-par by EVE standards. No stored capacitor energy, no ability to boost shields or self-repair. Fixed equipment loadout means minimal tactical flexibility (by EVE standards). No capsule technology. Slower sublight speeds (not true across the board, but any EVE ship with an MWD easily outstrips the Enterprise at impulse).
EVE:
Advantages: Much shorter build times (we could build ten titans in the space of time it takes to build a single Enterprise). Ability to self-repair during combat. Considerably greater tactical flexibility due to the module system. Significantly sturdier on all fronts. EVE ship designers understand what a surge protector is for. Ability to fit warp core scramblers. Numbers. Immortal pilots.
Disadvantages: significantly shorter weapon and sensor ranges (scan probes notwithstanding)
Probable result:
The Enterprise kicks ass and takes names for a while until some recently-revived Capsuleer posts its apparent systems and capabilities on Galnet. Immediately, a fleet sets out that is perfectly kitted out to counter the Enterprise (probably a load of recon cruisers with a couple of covops frigates in support) and ends it, winning through a combination of numbers, tactical flexibility and forward planning. No more Enterprise problem, because Starfleet officers don't have clones.
Yeah, I've put way too much thought into this.... 
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:40:00 -
[100]
Well Dur any T2 minny ship would own the Enterprise-E its a laser ship a Mega 10 damage a hit and torps that are to slow to do more than maybe 50 ahit.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:44:00 -
[101]
Originally by: slag Taramen
Speed-wise, though, Eve ships at "6 AU per second" warp speed could travel to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (4.3 light years) in about 12 1/2 hours. I don't think "Warp 8" or even "9.997" can do that well. And Eve's stargates make the Borg transwarp conduit tunnels look pathetic. Eve would have grown across the whole galaxy in the course of the few hundred years Trek has taken to even bother to have knowledge of 11% of the galaxy, much less explore, much less settle.
How do the ships compare, size-wise? In movies, the larger the ship, generally the more powerful.
In "That Which Survives" (1969), the Enterprise travels at warp 8.4 for 11.33 hours and traverses 990.7 light years (as indicated in Spock's dialog), which makes the speed more than 600,000 times the speed of light.
any other ship faster ?
8800 Ultra SLI |
Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:46:00 -
[102]
..and while the opposing factions start to load their weapons,
a bright light appears, 'The Hearth of Gold' appears on the battlefield,
and before anyone knows what happens, Data implodes like a supernova after a small coversation with Marvin,
the Emperor gets scammed by Zaphod for two freighterloads of used ballpens,
and Arthur whined so long on the forums 'till dreadnoughts were nerfed into uselessness.
Who won ?
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:54:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: slag Taramen
Speed-wise, though, Eve ships at "6 AU per second" warp speed could travel to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (4.3 light years) in about 12 1/2 hours. I don't think "Warp 8" or even "9.997" can do that well. And Eve's stargates make the Borg transwarp conduit tunnels look pathetic. Eve would have grown across the whole galaxy in the course of the few hundred years Trek has taken to even bother to have knowledge of 11% of the galaxy, much less explore, much less settle.
How do the ships compare, size-wise? In movies, the larger the ship, generally the more powerful.
In "That Which Survives" (1969), the Enterprise travels at warp 8.4 for 11.33 hours and traverses 990.7 light years (as indicated in Spock's dialog), which makes the speed more than 600,000 times the speed of light.
any other ship faster ?
Quad MWD apoc's form the Eve Beta.
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Snowcrash Winterheart2
Gallente
Concordia Discors
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:54:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Cookie
..and while the opposing factions start to load their weapons,
a bright light appears, 'The Hearth of Gold' appears on the battlefield,
and before anyone knows what happens, Data implodes like a supernova after a small coversation with Marvin,
the Emperor gets scammed by Zaphod for two freighterloads of used ballpens,
and Arthur whined so long on the forums 'till dreadnoughts were nerfed into uselessness.
Who won ?
I don't know, but did I tell you I have a pain the diodes down my left side? Brain the size of a planet and they have me making stupid posts on forums.
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Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:59:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Snowcrash Winterheart2
...
I don't know, but did I tell you I have a pain the diodes down my left side? Brain the size of a planet and they have me making stupid posts on forums.
must be some kind of punishment for leaving planet without towel or so
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:02:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: slag Taramen
Speed-wise, though, Eve ships at "6 AU per second" warp speed could travel to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (4.3 light years) in about 12 1/2 hours. I don't think "Warp 8" or even "9.997" can do that well. And Eve's stargates make the Borg transwarp conduit tunnels look pathetic. Eve would have grown across the whole galaxy in the course of the few hundred years Trek has taken to even bother to have knowledge of 11% of the galaxy, much less explore, much less settle.
How do the ships compare, size-wise? In movies, the larger the ship, generally the more powerful.
In "That Which Survives" (1969), the Enterprise travels at warp 8.4 for 11.33 hours and traverses 990.7 light years (as indicated in Spock's dialog), which makes the speed more than 600,000 times the speed of light.
any other ship faster ?
Quad MWD apoc's form the Eve Beta.
heehee, good try, but iirc that got it to 125000 m/s ?
Enterprise did 180000000000000 m/s , 1440 MILLION times faster
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:07:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: slag Taramen
Speed-wise, though, Eve ships at "6 AU per second" warp speed could travel to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (4.3 light years) in about 12 1/2 hours. I don't think "Warp 8" or even "9.997" can do that well. And Eve's stargates make the Borg transwarp conduit tunnels look pathetic. Eve would have grown across the whole galaxy in the course of the few hundred years Trek has taken to even bother to have knowledge of 11% of the galaxy, much less explore, much less settle.
How do the ships compare, size-wise? In movies, the larger the ship, generally the more powerful.
In "That Which Survives" (1969), the Enterprise travels at warp 8.4 for 11.33 hours and traverses 990.7 light years (as indicated in Spock's dialog), which makes the speed more than 600,000 times the speed of light.
any other ship faster ?
Quad MWD apoc's form the Eve Beta.
heehee, good try, but iirc that got it to 125000 m/s ?
Enterprise did 180000000000000 m/s , 1440 MILLION times faster
It was a tad slower if i rember around 110000m/s i did not have time to fit a scorp with 8 MWD's not that i could of run them all at once bht that would of been a tad closer.
I still think the Quad MWD apoc's was balanced it could hit nothing but nothing could hit it back.
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Cleric Hammond
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:10:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Cleric Hammond on 05/12/2007 00:10:29
I usually hate these kinds of things, but i'm interested in knowing what everyone thinks the Daedalus' (Stargate) chances are.
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StarStryder
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:17:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Stitcher
Random Trek Trivia nerd knowledge GO!!!!
The Enterprise:
Advantages: Multiple torpedo launchers, each torpedo with an effectively unlimited range owing to the ability to travel at warp speed,
Oh God, I can't believe I'm even doing this, but....
Photon torpedos only have warp sustainer engines. They can not enter warp and will only exit when they're out of fuel, and hence harmless. I don't know what their relativistic speed is but they certainly do have a limited effective range.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:21:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: slag Taramen
Speed-wise, though, Eve ships at "6 AU per second" warp speed could travel to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (4.3 light years) in about 12 1/2 hours. I don't think "Warp 8" or even "9.997" can do that well. And Eve's stargates make the Borg transwarp conduit tunnels look pathetic. Eve would have grown across the whole galaxy in the course of the few hundred years Trek has taken to even bother to have knowledge of 11% of the galaxy, much less explore, much less settle.
How do the ships compare, size-wise? In movies, the larger the ship, generally the more powerful.
In "That Which Survives" (1969), the Enterprise travels at warp 8.4 for 11.33 hours and traverses 990.7 light years (as indicated in Spock's dialog), which makes the speed more than 600,000 times the speed of light.
any other ship faster ?
Quad MWD apoc's form the Eve Beta.
heehee, good try, but iirc that got it to 125000 m/s ?
Enterprise did 180000000000000 m/s , 1440 MILLION times faster
It was a tad slower if i rember around 110000m/s i did not have time to fit a scorp with 8 MWD's not that i could of run them all at once bht that would of been a tad closer.
I still think the Quad MWD apoc's was balanced it could hit nothing but nothing could hit it back.
scorpion with 8 MWD = 45 MILLION m/s (theoretical because of time needed to accelerate to it and caps would be a problem)
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T3h Pr4wNz0r3r
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:46:00 -
[111]
I think it's perfectly obvious that Commander Jameson in Cobra Mark III would wtfzomgbbqpwn any other space faring vessel.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:52:00 -
[112]
The Enterprise wasn't affected by the speed nerf so I think it would win against a dreadnaught.
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:54:00 -
[113]
*reads thread*
you guys are seriously debating this?
*quits eve*
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:54:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Test 5
*reads thread*
you guys are seriously debating this?
*quits eve*
gief stuffs
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:55:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Test 5
*reads thread*
you guys are seriously debating this?
*quits eve*
DONT G....too late, and I never got to ask if I could have his stuff.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:56:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Cleric Hammond
Edited by: Cleric Hammond on 05/12/2007 00:10:29
I usually hate these kinds of things, but i'm interested in knowing what everyone thinks the Daedalus' (Stargate) chances are.
It's all tank and no gank TBH, with the exception of beaming nukes onto other peoples ships.
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:02:00 -
[117]
Inara's shuttle would beat them all!
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:03:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Test 5
Inara's shuttle would beat them all!
I thought you left ?
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Commander Prishe
Caldari
The LoneStar Corp
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:10:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Commander Prishe on 05/12/2007 01:15:45
Vorlon Planet Killer with Vorlon Star Dreadnought support ships.. yes please
Took all of the remaining first ones to take this ship out
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KarGard
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:16:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Kiviar
Dahak would win.
But really, the only thing that could ever possibly defeat him, is piccolo.
Piccolo is the greatest threat to moons in the universe. Even gigantic warships pretending to be our moon have to fear him and his pointy boots.
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Arron S
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:29:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Arron S on 05/12/2007 01:29:58
My Moms wash cloth would pwn them all... and so will Speeies 8472
And
The Warlock class Destroyer is the most powerful ship in common use in Earth Force.
Omega-X's were all destroyed, and had serious design flaws, Mainly because they where build with 300 dollars and a bus pass. The Warlock class however Incorporates alot of the weapon systems used on the Omega-X, Such as the Fusion Cannons, and can ista pop any Centori ship.
Battlestar Galtica does not count as its based on RL tech and science. and Captian Kirk Killed God. so ha
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Doktor Quick
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:29:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Doktor Quick on 06/12/2007 01:29:56
dammit, reset my forum settings on me
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:30:00 -
[123]
Bringing a vorlon planet killer is overkill IMO, a Mimbari Sharlin class war cruiser is a kilometer long, nearly two kilometers tall, it's attack speed is roughly 20% the speed of light (.2C), it's powered by a freaking black hole for gods sake, and it has the firepower to render a planet uninhabitable. you could bring a fleet of ships from any of the other universes and it'd wtfbbqpwn them in minutes.
think I'm exaggerating? read the specs
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:32:00 -
[124]
Edited by: blake fallout on 06/12/2007 01:32:54
enterprise-e, 685meter long and probably about the same power as a battleship, since its federation, very good sheilds prob around dreadnought class.
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Doktor Quick
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:50:00 -
[125]
Originally by: blake fallout
Edited by: blake fallout on 06/12/2007 01:32:54
enterprise-e, 685meter long and probably about the same power as a battleship, since its federation, very good sheilds prob around dreadnought class.
yeah but they don't have shield boosters! seriously, their shields either hold or go down, you never see them going up.
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KarGard
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:55:00 -
[126]
Originally by: blake fallout
Edited by: blake fallout on 06/12/2007 01:32:54
enterprise-e, 685meter long and probably about the same power as a battleship, since its federation, very good sheilds prob around dreadnought class.
Didn't their sheilds always go down after two or three shots from a bad guy?
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:02:00 -
[127]
yeah but at the end of DS9, they got a boost (klingon that fiddled with his sheild thing got resistance) and voyager borg 15 year advanced upgrade (resistance to borg)
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:03:00 -
[128]
Though I think Eve has better back-story writers, Star Trek writers are MUCH more accomplished at getting the Enterprise crew out safe and sound (minus a few ensigns of course). So, Eve would lose in the end, though I'm sure the episode would have some ominous trumpets in there somewhere complete with opportunities for Riker to get with some Achuran chick as a side plot.
However, as the Enterprise always gets it's ass kicked no matter who is fighting it, the ship itself would get destroyed at some point. Probably by a battle-badger.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:13:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Cleric Hammond
Edited by: Cleric Hammond on 05/12/2007 00:10:29
I usually hate these kinds of things, but i'm interested in knowing what everyone thinks the Daedalus' (Stargate) chances are.
I would say stargate tech is fairly comparable to EVE tech, Daedalus carries railguns and missiles and heavy Shields so its basically Caldari. Blasters are similar to Goa'uld weapons and the Asgard are the Jove 
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:27:00 -
[130]
Edited by: blake fallout on 06/12/2007 03:35:57
well with 1 zero point moduals atlantis can fly at 287 million x light.
and with 3 zpm somewhere around 500 million x light, though real prpulsion time may vary due to atlantis mass (does it effect hyperspace?)
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Zamzoph
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:30:00 -
[131]
...no mention of a 3km-long Imperial Cruiser from Warhammer 40,000 at all in this topic?
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Haz Newton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:36:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Zamzoph
...no mention of a 3km-long Imperial Cruiser from Warhammer 40,000 at all in this topic?
what surprises me is that red dwarf hasnt been mentioned
let loose the smeg of war!
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Triksterism
Gallente
Image Not Found
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:36:00 -
[133]
Where can I find those gravy beam turrets?
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Rekindle
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:37:00 -
[134]
buck rogers.
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.06 03:37:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Haz Newton
Originally by: Zamzoph
...no mention of a 3km-long Imperial Cruiser from Warhammer 40,000 at all in this topic?
what surprises me is that red dwarf hasnt been mentioned
let loose the smeg of war!
holly hop rules all ;)
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Elvarien
Caldari
Legion of Corpses
Federation Of united Corps
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:21:00 -
[136]
Lets not bring in the Halo`s from the Halo game series and see who has the biggest ddd
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:33:00 -
[137]
Enterprise
[+] Great shields
[+] Lasers that don't suck and do full damage against very small targets
[+] Several orders of magnitude faster than Eve ships
[+] Warp drive capable of true instersteller travel
[+] Onboard scanner that rivals Eve's scan probes in effectiveness.
[+] Can divert power to increase the effectiveness of some systems at the expense of others.
[-] Super short weapons range (when was the last time you saw them shooting something that looked more than 10 kms away)
[-] Their torps don't seem to do much damage considering they have an antimatter warhead.
[-] Completely unarmored. It's shields, then hull.
[-] Requires rare fuel (dilithium)
[-] Depend on passive recharge to bring their shields up.
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Solaris Research
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:59:00 -
[138]
Here's a nice site with scale pics of just about every sci-fi ship or thing I've ever heard of.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:24:00 -
[139]
WHAT
THE
HELL
IS
GOING
ON
HERE!??!?!?!?!?!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:31:00 -
[140]
The "Post-Dated Check Loan", an Ob'Enn/Tausennigan Superfortress... beats everything and anything
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Snooter
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:32:00 -
[141]
i just made up a story about a ship that could destroy every other ship mentioned in this thread at that same time in 1 second and never be in danger of being destroyed... i cant think of a name for it but this ship clearly wins
having made the 'this is silly cause its all made up' point, optimus prime wins
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:35:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Snooter
i just made up a story about a ship that could destroy every other ship mentioned in this thread at that same time in 1 second and never be in danger of being destroyed... i cant think of a name for it but this ship clearly wins
having made the 'this is silly cause its all made up' point, optimus prime wins
But due to shoddy Chinese prison labor it fell apart when someone spilled water on it
Originally by: ISD Valorem
The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
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Jo Dekker
Gallente
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:05:00 -
[143]
and dont forget the enterprise can also fire its weapons while in warp :D
of course eve pilots would blame it on desync :P
Jo Dekker
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Kinzki
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:20:00 -
[144]
haha, lol.. enterpiccce  please post reasons and not just flames.. cant do that sir.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:43:00 -
[145]
We can easily solve taht! Just put Oveur and W. Shatner in an arena to a fight to the death!
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Captin Kirk on 06/12/2007 15:09:52
well i dont like to brag but with scottys help we can take on most things :D
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KarGard
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:15:00 -
[147]
Edited by: KarGard on 06/12/2007 15:15:47
Originally by: Haz Newton
what surprises me is that red dwarf hasnt been mentioned
let loose the smeg of war!
Someone already mentioned Ace Rimmer.
Why are people complaining about how nerdy this thread is? you play a sci fi mmo about space ships. get over yourself.
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Zayes
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:12:00 -
[148]
Figured this thread needs a bump
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The SpaceAce
Soldiers Of Darkness
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:29:00 -
[149]
Captain we seem to be caught in some kind of warp disruption field!
Set Deux ex Machinima to 105%!
It worked, were free.
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Smokin' Sandra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:35:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Smokin'' Sandra on 06/12/2007 21:35:23
StarDestroyer.net quotes nonsensical crap from game manuals and scientifically illiterate "technical manuals" and god knows what.
When that X-wing gets blown up into a lame puff the size of a 3 story building, does that look like a large atomic blast? No? Then it ain't eighty gazillion azzbeatowatts of power.
As for the Tardis, nothing short of being right next to the Big Bang, or the thoughts of a god can penetrate its shielding, so no, the Death Star's blast couldn't even scratch it.
As for Trek (or any other world for that matter), in general the larger the ship, the more powerful it is.
Here ya go!
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Malbolge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:50:00 -
[151]
This thread has too much pewpew. Carebears are nerds too!
Hence: Rorqual vs. Red Dwarf?
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:00:00 -
[152]
*snip - Please post constructively, Cortes
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Ardenta Molscree
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:17:00 -
[153]
Muad'hib would chaaaaaaaaaaaar-umphhh all, for he is the knick knack paddywhack!
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Dhip C
Minmatubbies
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:21:00 -
[154]
Originally by: KarGard
Originally by: Kiviar
Dahak would win.
But really, the only thing that could ever possibly defeat him, is piccolo.
Piccolo is the greatest threat to moons in the universe. Even gigantic warships pretending to be our moon have to fear him and his pointy boots.
This was the best response so far.
piccolo 4tw. tho Im a Vageta fan.
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Cheeseburgler
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:18:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Cheeseburgler on 07/12/2007 17:18:25
Borg Cube
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:53:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Stitcher
Random Trek Trivia nerd knowledge GO!!!!
The Enterprise:
Advantages: fitted with the equivalent of five tech 2 mega beam lasers, except that its locking and optimal range are both in the order of 30,000Km.
star trek weapons ranges are as much as 10x that.
Disadvantages: no ability to self-repair.
scotty, laforge and belanna manage to repair systems under stress regularly.
Slower sublight speeds (not true across the board, but any EVE ship with an MWD easily outstrips the Enterprise at impulse).
pretty much anything in star trek has sublight speeds of .4 to .5 C which is 120 000 to 150 000 km/s while the top end in eve is all of 15 or 20 kps and getting that pretty much nerfs offensive output.
EVE:
Advantages: Numbers. Immortal pilots.
numbers initially favour eve massively. star fleet has a relatively tiny fleet.
Disadvantages: significantly shorter weapon and sensor ranges (scan probes notwithstanding)
given trek ships can count ships 3 systems over while eve ships cannot see into the next grid that's a huge problem.
also trek ships are strategically far more mobile than eve ships. no gate camping to catch them etc. also there are no gates to use in trek space so only jump capable ships can be used there. worse it will certainly occur to the trek commanders in short order than destroying our gates will neuter most of our numbers advantages even in our own space.
Probable result:
The Enterprise kicks ass and takes names for a while until some recently-revived Capsuleer posts its apparent systems and capabilities on Galnet. Immediately, a fleet sets out that is perfectly kitted out to counter the Enterprise (probably a load of recon cruisers with a couple of covops frigates in support) and ends it, winning through a combination of numbers, tactical flexibility and forward planning. No more Enterprise problem, because Starfleet officers don't have clones.
Yeah, I've put way too much thought into this....
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Gaius Tojan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:05:00 -
[157]
I think its much simpler to compare EVE and Star Trek. Thing is Star Wars is (although set in the past) well over 25,000 years more advanced than the other two. I only know this from playing Knights of The Old Republic. So if you consider that it makes sense that Star Wars wins. |
Pioatini
Caldari
Mercantile Club Research
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:21:00 -
[158]
Species 8472 would pe-own just about most races as they kick the borg's ass any day of the week and with regeneration and adapability they would own every1, o and as they live in fluid space they could come and go as they please kinda like the tardis but with guns and the scimitar owned picards enterprise in nemesis, so the enterprise is so a none runner unless ur sacrificing mr.data's everytime you wanna win which is a bit expensive so only maybe bob could employ this tactic
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:22:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Thargat on 07/12/2007 18:25:19
Originally by: Crumplecorn
If Star Trek and EVE-O were combined, EVE-O wouldn't make it past the first episode.
Q: You are charged with being a savage child race!
EVE-O: NOOB!
*Q destroys humanity*
Then pod pilot would re-clone, bring his m8s and login-gank q when they log off at the end of primetime.
EDIT: Actually... the Q somehow reminds me of the DEVs
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:37:00 -
[160]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Sometimes I wish I could build a Deathstar and use it during the middle of construction. Then I could go, "Witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!"
And then blow up a Moros.
Civilian gatling gun Perfectly strikes Exhaust Port Wrecking for 20,000 damage
Victim: An Anarchyyt
Alliance: none
Corp: Gallente Sublime
Ship: Death Star
System: General Discussions forums
Involved Parties:
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Ship: Velator
Weapon: Civilian Gatling Gun
Security: 0.5
By this we can see that while a dread could not take you out, the Gallente rookie ship could. And yes it has to be the gallente one.
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:44:00 -
[161]
Hmm had a dream 'bout this last night (how sad is that!)
All the ships, pilots etc in this entire thread would be pwned by the Heart of Gold without it even having to think about it.
One flip of the Infinite Improbablity Drive button and boom, all the other ships would turn into a cornucopia of plant life and large mammals plummeting at speed towards the nearest dread.
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