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Sebastian Thor	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:21:00 - [211] I like Rifters! Was this the wrong thread to post that in? To the OP - if you are going to file a suit and therefore never be able to register with another CCP game again, like you said, can I have your stuff?
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:22:00 - [212] Rifter's are awesome! I r on the internet in a thread.
GhostXile Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:26:00 - [213] Edited by: GhostXile on 11/12/2007 11:26:32 I posted here! ...And here too! ............................................And over Here!!
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:47:00 - [214] Originally by: Inflexible I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Nope. And if you have a trick for it, please do share. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Vindoes	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:07:00 - [215] Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 11/12/2007 11:15:11 OK!! Who let the e-lawyers out of the cubord again!!! Microsoft back in the day made me format my HD lots of time CA I SUE THEM AND BE A GAZILLIONNAIRE! cause tbh if i hadnt lost that data i alrdy would be so therefore i deserve to be compensated. ALSO i broke my had on my landlords wall because i missed my friend when i tryed to punh him :p lol can I sue him OR my friend? My friend for not getting in the way thus me not hitting the wall and therefore not breaking my hand? OR! can i sue my landlord for not putting patting on the wall so it didnt hut or at the very least a sign saying it was hard!!! I should be rich god damn it. to quote Billy conelly "It's time to trim the herd, I saw a sign on a hiardryer in a hotel the other day that said do not use in the shower! suerly if ure stupid enough use it in the shower u deserve to be electrocuted and die for the benifit of mandkind!" Or something like that its early :( anyway e-lawyers get on my case! Tbh i all think its revenge from CCP zulpak(sp)because we weere mean to him about carriers. signing this. as quoted: if you install games on the computer with your precious work / files on it, and you don't even have backups, then i really do suggest you take a shower with a hairdryer and a toaster.
Hectaire Glade Forum Jockey	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:10:00 - [216] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Inflexible I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Nope. And if you have a trick for it, please do share. Science wins the thread! Boyles law + Charle's law = win
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:14:00 - [217] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Inflexible I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Nope. And if you have a trick for it, please do share. Science wins. And to the OP, go sleep, it's way past your bedtime... Jee, are parents letting their 3 year olds use the computer to post things like this? Wow...
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:16:00 - [218] I would throw in an "IBTL" for ranting, but clearly the mods are enjoying this too much to end it ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Galya Tuvern Gallente Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:32:00 - [219] I am not an attorney but I have attended law school and here is my 2 cents... I think that CCP satisfies minimum contacts based on operating in Georgia. However, I do not think that enough people could be included to get this "certified" as class action suit. Also, if it was certified then everyone residing the in US would be part of the suit if they had been harmed...you have to "opt out" of a class action suit...if you don't you cannot later bring an independent claim. I agree with the previous posts that indicate the EULA is likely not worth the electricity it took to type it up. Given that in the past these types of terms of service have not held up and I also think that the person who said that the EULA does not show up until after you have installed the software might have a valid point. Only a court can decide if the EULA carries any weight. I can tell you that it means little that it cites Icelandic Law...until, of course, it has been given credence by a US court...should the class action suit be initiated in the US. If you do business in the US and have minimum contacts then most courts will consider that you have agreed to be judged under US Law. The question I am curious about is...could it be claimed that it was reasonably foreseeable that the boot.ini could have been corrupted. I notice that some people indicated that there was no intent on the part of CCP and I agree...but could several computer experts be found to give expert testimony that it was reasonably foreseeable that the boot.ini file could have been corrupted? Perhaps then it could be claimed that CCP was did not have the expertise to be handling such a patch deployemnt and therefore were negligent. You can claim negligence when your property is harmed, providing "data loss" is considered "property damage" then... Negligence requires * 1 Duty of care Did CCP have a duty of care to its subscribers (who could no longer play the game they had paid for w/o downloading the patch)? * 2 Breach of duty Did CCP breach that duty by offering the Trinity patch? * 3 Factual causation Did the patch materially increase the risk of harm to the subscribers boot.ini file? Did CCP through a particular acts or omission cause the loss or damage sustained, in this case a corrupted boot.ini file. This may have resulted in other data loss (not sure if this other loss is relevant , it might not be) * 4 Legal causation/Remoteness/Causal Proximity Was the harm caused to users too remote for CCP to be blamed? I don't know how an attorney could show causal proximity...ie "sufficient proximity" to damaged property...unless downloading a patch and having the code on your system is considered proximate enough...if anyone has any ideas on this I would love to hear them :) Also to show proximate cause you need to show that it would have been reasonably foreseeable for the harm to have been caused. I think in this case you might be able to get enough experts to say that a patch such as this might have that kind of effect on the boot.ini file. * 5 Damage Did actual damages result from CCP's actions. Even if all the above is true and CCP is found guilty of 1-4 if there are no actual damages then there is no successful claim for negligence. Typically if damages are proven (and they must be for a successful claim) then the claimant must be compensated. Damages must usually be in loss of reputation, financial loss, physical harm. Now in the US sometimes punitive damages can be given out but usually it is just compensatory. Not sure how you would go about quantifying damages for a boot.ini corruption but anyway... in the end... IF CCP was found to be negligent 1. the attorneys would walk away with tons of $$$ 2. the class action claimants would get next to nothing 3. CCP would go out of business and 4. the rest of the EVE community would be very very upset with the original "Lead Plaintiffs"... *capiche* Don't ask me I'm not the keeper of the Mommy Milk!
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:39:00 - [220] I wasn't affected by the patch (since i've still not downloaded the new graphics yet). I'll say now that I think legal action is probably a little excessive, but I do understand why people are annoyed by this. What baffles me most by all of this is the players/trolls posting here that other players (or entire countries) are stupid because of a grave error made by CCP. Sure, people make mistakes, CCP made a big mistake (relative to patch errors). Whether it deserves legal action will ultimately be upto those affected - end of story, but it was a result of some very poor testing of a product that was distributed to tens of thousands of user accounts. Ultimately CCP are accountable for damaging peoples computers (regardless of how easy or hard it is for some to fix it), and because of this, people have a right to feel annoyed or angry by a company they trust. Regardless of what any EULA says and legalities. Would anyone of sane mind downloaded the content patch if they were told in advance that doing so would make their operating system unusable? of course not. I'd feel pretty annoyed if my phone company downloaded a content upgrade to my cellphone and made it unusable and thats worth less than my PC, so i'd imagine i'd feel pretty peeved if my computer had been rendered useless. The end user isn't to blame because of this, nor is the end user 'stupid' because they took their computer to get repaired. Not everyone is computer literate (just like not everyone is a mechanic or electrician). People have a right to be upset and are not being unreasonable at being annoyed that CCP damaged their Operating System.

Mymain DreadMoros	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:41:00 - [221] No EULA can interfere or negate with your statutory legal rights. Quote: MISCELLANEOUS If any part of the EULA is held invalid or unenforceable, that portion shall be construed in a manner consistent with applicable law to reflect, as nearly as possible, the original intentions of the parties expressed in the EULA, and the remaining portions shall remain in full force and effect.
Galya Tuvern Gallente Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:44:00 - [222] Edited by: Galya Tuvern on 11/12/2007 12:45:13 Originally by: flashfreaking Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Inflexible I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Nope. And if you have a trick for it, please do share. umm can't you put the system under pressure and superheat the steam/water to above the normal sea level atmospheric boiling temperature of 100C/212F... or you could dissolve something like salt (that has a higher boiling point than water) which causes the water to boil at a higher temperature because the salt must come out of solution... and yes...I am American Don't ask me I'm not the keeper of the Mommy Milk!
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:52:00 - [223] Originally by: Galya Tuvern Edited by: Galya Tuvern on 11/12/2007 12:45:13 Originally by: flashfreaking Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Inflexible I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Nope. And if you have a trick for it, please do share. umm can't you put the system under pressure and superheat the steam/water to above the normal sea level atmospheric boiling temperature of 100C/212F... or you could dissolve something like salt (that has a higher boiling point than water) which causes the water to boil at a higher temperature because the salt must come out of solution... and yes...I am American You just got scienced: he never ever mentioned 100¦C, did he, he just said 'boiling point' which is, as you mentioned variable from the pressure. Still, you are wrong
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:53:00 - [224] Originally by: Galya Tuvern Edited by: Galya Tuvern on 11/12/2007 12:45:13 Originally by: flashfreaking Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Inflexible I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Nope. And if you have a trick for it, please do share. umm can't you put the system under pressure and superheat the steam/water to above the normal sea level atmospheric boiling temperature of 100C/212F... or you could dissolve something like salt (that has a higher boiling point than water) which causes the water to boil at a higher temperature because the salt must come out of solution... and yes...I am American If you put it under pressure it will boil at a higher boiling temperature. Add more heat and it will just boil faster, not get hotter. Note that the OQ didn't say "heat water above 100C" or summat. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:57:00 - [225] You're better off suing Microsoft for making an operating system that allows itself to be corrupted by the applications it runs. Why would a system configuration file be adjustable or deletable by a simple application without the user explicitly stating they are OK with that? Or are you running under an administrator account all the time? Well, that's safe... :) - -
Viglen Taurus Inc	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:59:00 - [226] Originally by: Clevermonkey here is some legal mumbo jumbo. CCP holds an office in Georgia which is in the United States. Therefore they are actionable for a class action suit to all players who have attained losses due to the BOOTINI incident. CCP's EULA does not cover windows operating systems and therefore they are again actionable for loses. CCP's EULA is very thorough, however they do not control licences for Microsoft and cannot deploy a EULA under those circumstances. Remember this. If you bring suit against CCP you will have to forfeit your term of use. You will never be able to register another CCP game again. you will have to quit your current subscription. After ten years of litigation you will get close to nothing. CCP wins. It is the Law. How typicly "American"!!! How I hate these guys trying to get money out of everything that happens around them! I¦d probably be rich if I try¦d to get money out of everything that didn¦t go as intended in my life!
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:59:00 - [227] I'm assuming because this thread is still going no one has had the bottle to sue yet or even seek legal advice. These people don't want to sue, they're just doing the human nature thing, whine and posture to get it out of their system. Rather then tell the community why don't you get you Lawyer to send a letter to CCP. Feel free to post that on the forum that would be interesting instead of pretending to threaten to sue. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Siobhan Ni Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:03:00 - [228] Why are all these people playing games on critical machines that contain all their sensitive data?
Elias Modron Lucretia Seven Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:10:00 - [229] I wasn't affected by this, so I'm going to laugh at everyone who was.
benzss Templar Securities and Holdings Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:11:00 - [230] Clevermonkey is the only idiot in this thread.

Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:25:00 - [231] Found this one in another thread (now modified slightly),, "50mil or ill obliterate your company(former;ship) like a system file on patch day"! (now where was the note with the number for my lawyer). Ooyama. Originally by: Bimjo you sir are quite right my humble apologies I shall park my navy raven in 0.0 for you to come and destroy with your ducktaped missile launcher on your shuttle
Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:26:00 - [232] bah... could you please stop trying to sue everything that breathes the wrong way? grow some tolerance ad patience for pity's sake! /me is really annoyed with all this it was a big (^& up i agree. eve technically became a destructive virus. but it wasn't malicious. just a big (^& up loads of people are not computer literate enough to be able to solve that kind of issue, which is fair enough.. and they may have not been able to solve it by checking the forum (due the fact that maybe (for instance) only had the one computer) but give a ccp a chance to make it better. let them this busy time end and then let's see what they can do for you we knew the patch was coming and we knew there will be problems. the problems are being addressed, slowly perhaps but they are. if you are so angry you dont want to play anymore, fine. stop playing, send me your stuff, close your account, leave the forums alone and take whatever action you want! I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:31:00 - [233] Lucy,, i hope u didn't get PO'ed at me?? I WAS being sarcastic u know. (BTW,, i fully concur on your statement,, this thread has outdone itself really,, in stupidity). Ooyama. (darn,, looking at that statement i made,, and i just helped keeping it alive ,,, SUE ME!!). Originally by: Bimjo you sir are quite right my humble apologies I shall park my navy raven in 0.0 for you to come and destroy with your ducktaped missile launcher on your shuttle
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:41:00 - [234] Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 11/12/2007 13:41:36 Originally by: Clevermonkey here is some legal mumbo jumbo. CCP holds an office in Georgia which is in the United States. Therefore they are actionable for a class action suit to all players who have attained losses due to the BOOTINI incident. CCP's EULA does not cover windows operating systems and therefore they are again actionable for loses. CCP's EULA is very thorough, however they do not control licences for Microsoft and cannot deploy a EULA under those circumstances. Remember this. If you bring suit against CCP you will have to forfeit your term of use. You will never be able to register another CCP game again. you will have to quit your current subscription. After ten years of litigation you will get close to nothing. CCP wins. It is the Law. Brilliant troll dude. Hats off. Jury's out on whether you intended on trolling the public or just yourself though
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:44:00 - [235] WHERES THERES BLAMES THERES A CLAIM! LMFAO.
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:46:00 - [236] Allright, I need some advise: Can I sue these trolls for breathing and spoiling my otherwise positive humour? If so, can they get the deathpenalty? Because really, if you are not going to DO it, keep quiet already...
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:51:00 - [237] /me puts on serious lawyertone (giggles),,, I shall represent thee, my poor man,, that thine mood hasseth been spoiled shall be avenged!!! Ooyama. Originally by: Bimjo you sir are quite right my humble apologies I shall park my navy raven in 0.0 for you to come and destroy with your ducktaped missile launcher on your shuttle
Omak Topal Gallente The Topal Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:07:00 - [238] Edited by: Omak Topal on 11/12/2007 14:07:41 i lolled after reading from the first page up to the post above me, pure entertainment. --------[sig]--------- I didn't do it, i swear!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:08:00 - [239] Edited by: Avon on 11/12/2007 14:08:56 Originally by: Sister Impotentata If you put it under pressure it will boil at a higher boiling temperature. Add more heat and it will just boil faster, not get hotter. Note that the OQ didn't say "heat water above 100C" or summat. Boil water. Collect steam and put under pressure. Heat steam. Heated steam under pressure = water heated > boiling point (because it has already boiled at a lower temperature to produce the steam.) The guy is right when he suggests superheating the steam. (Unless you are going to argue that steam is not water?) Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:12:00 - [240] Originally by: Ooyama Lucy,, i hope u didn't get PO'ed at me?? I WAS being sarcastic u know. nope, just at the stupidity of the post.. loved your sarcasm :) I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast



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