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Richard Aiel Caldari DEATHFUNK Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:30:00 - [151] see sig Sig as follows:EPIC FAIL
Aoi Sendai	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:40:00 - [152] Originally by: ChimeraRouge nerf NORTH Americans please. Here, fixed it.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:48:00 - [153] Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 10/12/2007 14:49:57 Originally by: SnakeByte86 Originally by: Kirjava You mean they just need to have an office in the USA to be held accountable to US law, even though they are icorporated in the Republic of Iceland and have their server in London, EU? Yeah office here, means they can be held accountable under US law. For example, their office and US assets could be seized. ...and all the employees sent to Guantanamo. ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Johnathan Walker Caldari Templars of Space Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:18:00 - [154] Long story short, and this entire thread in summary: Scenario 1: 1. User sues CCP. 2. EULA is read. 3. Icelandic court denies claim, due to EULA specifics clearly indicating the limitations of liability, and the indemnifications. Scenario 2: 1. User sues CCP. 2. EULA is read. 3. US / Canadian / Spanish / whatever country court denies claim due to provision in EULA dictating Icelandic law. No jurisdiction. Scenario 3: 1. User sues CCP. 2. EULA is read, and user somehow gets lucky and WINS due to breach of contract on CCP's part. 3. CCP refunds a maximum of three (3) month's game subscription. So if user computer + repairs + losses + court costs = 10,000$ US, and CCP's "fine" = 50$ US .... then losses + gains = net loss for consumer. Welcome to the real world ladies and gentlemen. P.S. I remain wholly convinced that delete /boot.ini was not intended, was not maliciously planned, was not a conspiracy theory, and was not meant for me to have your stuff (damn! ). If someone has evidence to the contrary, call your local law enforcement. Make way for the forum flames!
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:22:00 - [155] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 10/12/2007 15:22:34 The one thing that consistently boggles my mind, is something very simple...If the EULA and TOS etc, have no legal value whatsoever like some of you so highly and mightily claim - Then I have to ask. Why even write a EULA & TOS in the first place if they serve no purpose? Please explain this to me.
Natalia Survenka	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:23:00 - [156] I thought this was part of Micro$oft's marketing plan after Vista sales were stagnate. Just sabotage older versions of the OS through other pop-culture games and software. It worked like a charm when no one was buying XP all those years ago, that is until they were forced to because games wouldn't work... (sound familiar?)
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:25:00 - [157] This thread is complete fail.
Kritch Astro Dogs Metastar Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:32:00 - [158] Originally by: Isan Danderoda Originally by: Kritch Glad we've not so lost in the mindless compensation culture in the UK as some people seemingly are in the US. Let's face it. A lot of the kids who play the game are always looking for a quick and easy buck. At the end of the day Microsoft did a lot more damage to my operating system with some of the patches they've released in the past six months than Eve has with the boot.ini issue. With Eve I had to create a new text file, big freaking deal! I think the real issue here is that someone is so sad that they consider this minor problem to be something worth making a fuss about. when a game becomes so important to you that you feel your standard of life is lessened by its absence its time to stop playing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only thing more dull than mining Ice is hauling it
Kirmok	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:49:00 - [159] Edited by: Kirmok on 10/12/2007 15:50:24 Lolz 6 pages! Haha Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Surreptitious Originally by: DK Shadow Silly Americans :P. Don't see any of us Brits taking them to court do you? Grow up Don't see your country standing up for much at all these days tbh. How about we strike a deal, the US will grow up if the Brits toughen up? Syrup I've fought alongside US troops and my friends have - some got injured, some died. What I do know is that both the US troops I worked with, and the UK troops had the utmost respect for each other. Both seemed pretty tough to me - neither would have much respect for your point of view however. C. Amen. They are both jerks. The brits are pretty much the only country in the world that does have ballz left. Don't put the UK in the place as "old Europe"
No Wai	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:51:00 - [160] Originally by: Clevermonkey Originally by: Zeonos and what harm did it do?, nobody lost anything. you could just insert your original cd, or a bootdisk, a live cd with linux, or repair windows. and its not like they didnt warn people as soon as they saw the problem.. if you lost some work, you only have your self to blame. Again. You know little about the law. You are a moron. People lost everything. Everything. If one person had to reformat their drive then CCP is ACTIONABLE. however, it is AGAIN useless as I posted originally. the law is in their favor. Except nobody HAD TO format, they chose to do so, likely due to lack of computer knowledge. At worst you'd have to reinstall windows. Also, All a class action lawsuit would do is get all the players a small, maybe 1 month free extension, while some ******* laywer made millions and CCP gets forced to put off the next server upgrade for a year or 2.

LittleTerror Caldari Beer and Kebabs The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:55:00 - [161] Well maybe people do have a case but we still have a great game here... Taking action will only mean you hurt your self if you truely love this game and I love this game so I'm simple and just accept that ** happens. If you don't love this game then the door is over there in other words GTFO and don't be posting your on the forum because people who also love the game don't give a for what you say so kindly off sir. If you want to go do soemthing about it then do it but stfu plz I don't pay for this game to read your ** thx.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:59:00 - [162] Originally by: Natalia Survenka American culture. Isn't it wonderful? As oxymorons go, it's a beauty. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Rosa Rosette	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:59:00 - [163] Originally by: Clevermonkey Originally by: Zeonos and what harm did it do?, nobody lost anything. you could just insert your original cd, or a bootdisk, a live cd with linux, or repair windows. and its not like they didnt warn people as soon as they saw the problem.. if you lost some work, you only have your self to blame. Again. You know little about the law. You are a moron. People lost everything. Everything. If one person had to reformat their drive then CCP is ACTIONABLE. however, it is AGAIN useless as I posted originally. the law is in their favor. interesting how stupid people can sue others for their own stupiity lol
Bobarian	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:02:00 - [164] I'd be thrilled if CCP just sent me a recovery cd so i dont have to wait for dell to ship them to me. I dont want any lawsuits or even be compensated with game time (canceled subscription from work comp) I just want my damn computer to work as it did before this. Note to self When you get a new computer without OS CD's - create them
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:08:00 - [165] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 10/12/2007 15:22:34 The one thing that consistently boggles my mind, is something very simple...If the EULA and TOS etc, have no legal value whatsoever like some of you so highly and mightily claim - Then I have to ask. Why even write a EULA & TOS in the first place if they serve no purpose? Please explain this to me. why do judges wear robes? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Bohoba Caldari The Dragons Den	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:11:00 - [166] Humm go ahead sue ccp. once court cost get to high they will close down eve and then we will all have to go play WoW. The Dark Force is strong in EvE But it will fail Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:11:00 - [167] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 10/12/2007 16:11:47 Originally by: Clevermonkey CCP wins. It is the Law. no i am the law wait that's rens 911 Originally by: Erotic Irony why do judges wear robes? i always thought it was to cover the stockings and suspenders Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
LittleTerror Caldari Beer and Kebabs The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.10 16:13:00 - [168] Edited by: LittleTerror on 10/12/2007 16:14:25 Originally by: Bobarian I'd be thrilled if CCP just sent me a recovery cd so i dont have to wait for dell to ship them to me. I dont want any lawsuits or even be compensated with game time (canceled subscription from work comp) I just want my damn computer to work as it did before this. Note to self When you get a new computer without OS CD's - create them Humm you can post here so why not try and download the boot.ini file and put it on a bootable disk and place the boot.in file in the correct place, or is that too hard or impossible... /trust me there will be a solution.
Von Ulrich	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:02:00 - [169] Originally by: Bohoba Humm go ahead sue ccp. once court cost get to high they will close down eve and then we will all have to go play WoW. Ding, Ding Ding !!! We have a winner !!! Defending against a class action suit, especially if you had a team of plaintiff lawyers who knew what they were doing, is an epic and expensive ordeal. CCP would probably try and remove the suit into US Federal Court, in an attempt to get some protection with the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005, that can bring suits of 5 million US dollars and 100 members into the Federal Court realm. Most likely the initial plaintiff attorneys would have "forum shopped" for a state court that does not honor EULA's and hates Icelandic Viking people, some place like Florida or New mexico or something. However, finding $ 5 million in negligent damages due to CCP's actions seems a stretch to me. Actually finding enough damages to warrant legal action seems a stretch to me. Unless there can be a showing that CCP damaged millions of $ in computers with their program, no attorney would want to take this action, unless one of you complainers has enough liquid assets to pay + $300 an hour for an attorney to bring suit. The hours build up fast I promise ;) Actually this area of law is very new, and a fascinating field to get into. I would go into much more detail, but I actually have Law Finals this week, so back to studying Secured Transactions, Federal Courts, and Federal Rules of Evidence. Yippee !!!
Sulora Amarr ASGARD SECURITY SHIPPING PRODUCTION SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:10:00 - [170] Originally by: Zeonos and what harm did it do?, nobody lost anything. you could just insert your original cd, or a bootdisk, a live cd with linux, or repair windows. and its not like they didnt warn people as soon as they saw the problem.. if you lost some work, you only have your self to blame. Congratulations! You win the dumbass award! --------------------------------------------- Est Sularus Oth Mithas

Esirnos Caldari ASSASSIN SYNDICATE Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:10:00 - [171] Edited by: Esirnos on 10/12/2007 17:11:49 For those that they "this won't work in court" well....yes and no. If this is held in the US, anything is possible. Three cases come to mind that are rediculous. 1. Santana sues a guitar player for "sounding like him" 2. A popular voice actor sues another voice actor for "sounding like him" 3. A home owner gets sued by a man that robbed his house, but then on the way out cut his hand on a knife in the kitchen. Welcome to the US, where the most expensive laywer wins.
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:14:00 - [172] Originally by: Esirnos Welcome to the US, where the most expensive laywer wins. Let's all think about where the money would come from if CCP were forced to hire a defense team. Now lets reflect on the word "irony".
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:24:00 - [173] I honestly feel saddened that so many pathetic people want to take legal action on a game becasue something screwed up. bud, since you're all going to be so incensed at the terrible crimes that you've suffered at the hands of the evil devs, and will obviously be quitting your subscriptions to go play other games on your freshly formatted PCs... can I have all your stuff before you leave. I'll ensure it's given to homeless kittens, newbie alts, and each will be told the sotroy of your terrible loss. honest.
Von Ulrich	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Esirnos Welcome to the US, where the most expensive laywer wins. Let's all think about where the money would come from if CCP were forced to hire a defense team. Now lets reflect on the word "irony". ISK farmers ?
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:30:00 - [175] not a bad trolling, 7/10 :D ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Robstr Solar Storm	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:51:00 - [176] Edited by: Robstr on 10/12/2007 17:52:01 Edited by: Robstr on 10/12/2007 17:51:13 Originally by: Grimm Myn Only in America can you sue people for no good reason and get a few million. (Im still laughing about the law suite with the McDonalds or Starbucks "coffee burned me,but it didnt say it was HOT on it. gifv moneyz") rofl+headshake The so called "joke" of a law suit talking about McDonalds coffee is not a joke at all. It was a very legitimate claim. McDonalds coffee was held at a temperature so hot that it could give you THIRD DEGREE BURNS. The actual case involved a woman that had been handed a coffee that somehow got spilled on her lap. She received third degree burns that required skin grafts and an extended hospital stay, costing thousands of dollars. "Caution: This coffee may be hot" doesn't exactly let you know that your going to get hospitalized in the event of a spill. The case showed that people have a reasonable expectation when it comes to coffee: Fresh Coffee is going to be hot and might burn you or your tongue but no one thinks that coffee is actually going to be dangerously hot, hospitalization hot. It also showed that McDonalds cooperate policy was to hold the temperature at an unreasonably dangerous temperature for no reason. This case was also not an isolated incident, a number of others where compensated. ====
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:01:00 - [177] Originally by: Robstr The so called "joke" of a law suit talking about McDonalds coffee is not a joke at all. It was a very legitimate claim. McDonalds coffee was held at a temperature so hot that it could give you THIRD DEGREE BURNS. The actual case involved a woman that had been handed a coffee that somehow got spilled on her lap. She received third degree burns that required skin grafts and an extended hospital stay, costing thousands of dollars. "Caution: This coffee may be hot" doesn't exactly let you know that your going to get hospitalized in the event of a spill. The case showed that people have a reasonable expectation when it comes to coffee: Fresh Coffee is going to be hot and might burn you or your tongue but no one thinks that coffee is actually going to be dangerously hot, hospitalization hot. It also showed that McDonalds cooperate policy was to hold the temperature at an unreasonably dangerous temperature for no reason. This case was also not an isolated incident, a number of others where compensated. she spilled it in her own lap. there are two problems (at least relative to this) in america. first is that anyone who is careless or stupid can sue someone for their own stupidity. and the second is that people all too often THINK they know what they're talking about and start talking. when in reality, they are usually off-truth enough to cause problems when they propagate that information to others. (think the game of telephone) the OP and the person i just quoted are two very perfect examples of this. in a free country, yes you can sue someone if you wear roller blades, roll down a hill uncontrollably and crash through their living room window. but SHOULD you? no you freaking idiot.. it's your own stupid fault. now in this case with ccp, not really anyones fault who lost their precious little text file but seriously.. if you immediately packed up your comp and set out for geek squad then i put you in the same class of stupidity. just because you're uninformed doesn't mean everyone else is expected to keep you informed. The official goon buzz-kill.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:10:00 - [178] Originally by: Robstr McDonalds coffee was held at a temperature so hot that it could give you THIRD DEGREE BURNS. [...]policy was to hold the temperature at an unreasonably dangerous temperature for no reason. You... don't know much about coffee, do you ? But then again, you must be living in the USofA, so that's excusable, whatever stuff you drink there called "coffee" should be labeled "cold tea of coffee bean traces" or somesuch. Coffee should be prepared with water close (but not quite) at the boiling point, at least 90 degrees celsius, but not over 98 degrees celsius (that would be around 200 F), and MUST be maintained at temperatures of around 85 degrees celsius (185 F) if you don't want it to quickly lose the flavour. The coffee SHOULD be poured in a CUP (and no, paper cups are not suitable, it must be either glass or ceramic) at room temperature (the cup), lowering the coffee temperature very fast to around 50-60 degrees celsius in the process... and must be consumed as soon as possible after pouring, again, unless you want it to lose flavour. MacDonalds wasn't guilty of serving coffee that was "too hot", but of serving it "to go", and in a thin paper/plastic cup. For that alone, they (and pretty much any other US company offering what you guys call "coffee") are guilty as charged. Guilty for coffee murder 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Inflexible Rytiri Lva	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:14:00 - [179] Originally by: Robstr The so called "joke" of a law suit talking about McDonalds coffee is not a joke at all. It was a very legitimate claim. McDonalds coffee was held at a temperature so hot that it could give you THIRD DEGREE BURNS. In Europe coffee is prepared from BOILING water and immedately served. I wonder if you are able to heat up water over boiling temperature in America. Every European is expecting cofee to be hot and spilling it is considered misfortune. Thats why Euro are having good laugh when speaking about American law.
Conjure Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:14:00 - [180] comon guys, stuff happens and life goes on. Just drop it already with the "threats" of suing CCP.



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