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SoulOfAnnihilation
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:37:00 -
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They just think that its not a big factor of the eve universe at the moment imo.
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SoulOfAnnihilation
Amarr
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.23 07:53:00 -
[152]
/Bump
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Kil'Roy
Minmatar
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.07.23 09:15:00 -
[153]
 Originally by: SoulOfAnnihilation
Edited by: SoulOfAnnihilation on 19/12/2007 20:14:09
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30 day old bump huh?
Anyways, since you did...
1. I agree
2. I agree, no change needed.
3A. I agree, the Jump Fuel Conservation Skill should apply.
3B. I don't agree with this one. Don't give the BlackOps Scan probe bonuses, That is what a CovOps is for. This ship should not be given the role of any other ship. No Cloaking bonus either.
I think 3A would be better.
4. I don't agree with this one either. I will explain below.
With your senerio, why would you need any other type of cloaking ship? Everyone could be flying BlackOps and do nearly anything that needs to be done. The only reason you wouldn't is due to the isk you have, not the role you are trying to fill.
It can move cloaked like the CovOps and Force Recon.
It has scan probe bonues similar to the CovOps.
It has EWAR abilities similar to the Force Recon.
It gets it's DPS Nerf'd in trying to be the "Jack of all trades".
From what you are saying, you could do most anything any of the other "stealh ships" could do.
Bad idea in my book.
I see the BlackOps as the "Battleship" version of the "Stealth Ships" and for no reason should the damage bonues be removed. They Bring the DPS, like a Battleship, but as the other "Stealth Ships", they can't do a Tank and DPS at the same time and should not be able to.
These ships should be the "Battleships" of the "Stealth Ships". Not the "Bigger Recons" you suggest.
They should be the backup to the other stealth ships.
They should be able to hit hard, but giving them the ability to warp cloaked is too much.
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Merrick Tolkien
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.23 09:44:00 -
[154]
/signed
right now the black-ops bar the Widow serve no perpose, no use at all.
They cant jump far enough to be of use scouting, they cant jump recons deep enough for them to be of use either.
The only one with proper EW bonuses is the Widow. They all suffer from horrible scan res. For a suposed hi tech ship they are worse than their less high tech T1 brothers.
If you applied the exact same principles of the Force recon (low dps, fewer weapons slots, more agility then Combat recon, low cap, paper thin, high EW and electronic abilites) to the black ops and gave it a covert cloak they would be fine IMO.
I dont want to find i wasted my time training them, i want to fly one that works though, not wasting the ISK until then.
Shadow Company
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SoulOfAnnihilation
Amarr
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:56:00 -
[155]
Bump
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G'iencansu
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Posted - 2008.09.08 16:40:00 -
[156]
/signed
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Anna Dyser
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Posted - 2008.09.30 03:33:00 -
[157]
/signed...
IMHO, here's what a BO should be able to do:
- Jump over short distances but with reduced fuel consumption; they should easily be able to get past over certain fortified positions, but let's not jump over the horse here - had to say it :P - it's still a battleship. Smaller ship, smaller generator, smaller consumption but also less proficient than the capital sized ones;
- Concerning their damage and tanking capabilities, since their role as I see it is to take out vital targets behind enemy lines they should pack a strong punch (like normal BS) but be more fragile. The reasoning behind this is simple: trained for stealth, evasion, sabotage and/or assassination and not so much for normal combat. Let's say that when it comes to 1vs1 fights against other battleships, a black ops should preferably avoid the engagement (although I kinda see the black ops more like the leader of a small task force);
- They should be able to move fast and be stealthy. One of the things that crossed my mind was combining the agility and speed bonuses from the sin and panther and making them a common BO skill bonus. Also I consider it is necessary for them to be able to use the covert ops cloaking device and as far as I am concerned, the 125% cloaked velocity bonus doesn't help that much (212m/s on Sin but I have yet to train BO to lvl5 and I'm having second thoughts about it).
If it were up to me I would make it the Ghost Fleet's ship of choice. But it's not, so all I can do is hope that some changes will be made because at this moment, it is worth neither the money nor the time spent for training the required skills...
Cheers!
Anna Dyser |
Zathrus
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Posted - 2008.09.30 04:44:00 -
[158]
Yes for the following.
1) Warp while cloaked
2) Better Jump range
3) Same fire power as standard BS
It is a T2 BO BS that requires a good deal of training.
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Sardukarr
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Posted - 2008.09.30 06:06:00 -
[159]
signed
can we make some changes to the cov.ops frigs too? ability to scan cargo and fittings while cloaked maybe? |
PMolkenthin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.30 10:42:00 -
[160]
I like a lot of the suggestions for boosting the black ops. ie.
-Cov Ops Cloak
-More fuel capacity/lower fuel consumption
-Greater jump range
-Jump to star (a bit drastic but could be interesting)
-Force Recon bonus' (nos for amarr, scram + damps for gallente, webs for minmatar etc.)
-Better resists
However, all or some of these could risk the ship becoming overpowered and causing half the community to complain about them. (Imagine a Dominix jumping into your system without a cyno, warp to your belt cloaked, then scrambling at 60km, damping you to 5km lock range, launching 5x ogre II's at you, dual rep tanking you with 80% resists, then jumping out.)
I hope CCP finds a good balance between making these ships worth the time and isk investment, without totally unbalancing everthing.
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noc D
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:30:00 -
[161]
i would like to warp while cloak with widow but i have to admit... it would be really overpowered.
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Xiliath
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:19:00 -
[162]
I would just be happy with the cov. ops cloak. But fuel bay and range would be nice too.
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