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Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.12.24 11:29:00 - [61] Originally by: Aequitas Veritas I enjoy this :D Nothing like fighting after 5 mins travelling from your home base. Logging on when the call goes out for something and getting instant action. Its what we do, we fight, we kill, we die & we love the adrenaline surge it gives us. MC gave us a close target & included feelings in the mix as well. Cudos to them for bringing it! Oh, merry Christmas all! Merry Christmas. You got kicked out of Taosp since your payment for membership went back to real owners ?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.24 11:39:00 - [62] Originally by: fugazii It has been 1 week and bob have completely raped tort. Theyre accomplishing everything they are setting out to do. Why would they let them take pb? If bob didnt want pb they would have pulled out of it earlier. If mc didnt want to fight with bob, they would have negotiated the taking over of paragon soul or another of bobs regions they recently left, or maybe even defended thier stations up north. Could you specify by what you mean here? How is MC losing atm, as far as I can tell the only systems being fought over in PB are BoB systems. MC's systems seem secure atm, and I do believe 2 of BoB's stations in PB fell to Tortuga. If I look at the current situation, I see BoB holding TPAR firmly with a big fleet, but so far not on the offensive in PB. At the same time, REDSWARM+allies is pushing through FAT towards Querious and with BoB deeply involved in PB, I don't see them mustering enough of a defence to stop the offensive up north that is heading towards Querious and Delve. If BoB wants to take out Tortuga, they need to take the Sov 4 MC constellation in PB. Even if BoB go on the offensive, how long would it take, and do they have that much time? ------------------------------------------------
WhiteSnake Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.12.24 12:18:00 - [63] from my point of view: this is a win-win situation for the enemies of BoB, no matter who wins (MC or BoB)both will have casualties. divide and conquer, MC leaders took the bait, lost some powerfull friends to gain what? a region that was already almost under their sovereignity? to prove that are not BoB allies? or is just a one-man personal vendetta? back in the GNW, Jade's vendetta to kill NVA/PA, dragged in the war all the northen alliances, lead at least 3 of them to their doom before PA dies. Ego, arrognace and greed are not the best way to run an alliance, most of the times leads you to wrong decisions. I think everybody was expecting that one day all the best pvpers in eve finally to fight each other, that day has come.....May the best wins and enjoy good fights. No goons are not among them
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Fade to Black Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.24 12:26:00 - [64] I will only say this. Fighting MC was the biggest let down of my eve career. If people want to know why, contact me and I'll tell you. Posting here will only get it spammed by alts. And I don't give two hoots who wins in the propaganda fest in PB. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Aequitas Veritas Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.24 13:48:00 - [65] Edited by: Aequitas Veritas on 24/12/2007 13:48:57 Taosp dispanded :) "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.24 14:04:00 - [66] Originally by: WhiteSnake ... back in the GNW, Jade's vendetta to kill NVA/PA, dragged in the war all the northen alliances, lead at least 3 of them to their doom before PA dies. You say that like it was a bad thing Whitesnake How are you doing by the way? Happy Christmas! "I might not have meant anything by it"
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.24 15:04:00 - [67] Originally by: Smith And dont forget....we didnt want "insert item" anyway. ouch 2isk
Wolf 666 Amarr WolfPack.	Posted - 2007.12.24 16:01:00 - [68] Edited by: Wolf 666 on 24/12/2007 16:02:06 Hehe, well the only thing i can say is BoB decided to go all out and kill MC + co. I think this is the funest decision they have made in a long time. T hink that most BOB members see this as a good decision, since its actualy fun to fight ppl aprox the sam size in numbers and of similar PVP ability. Only thing i can say is HAVE FUN BOYS. This is what eve should be like constant fighting, and BOB have had that for the last o.O months. Hehe HF to boths sides :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D And FFS again with the wrong char Xenobite 666 [D00M.] TRI =====Only death is eternal=====
MAXSuicide Team Cool	Posted - 2007.12.24 16:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Ann Frost Please do not post spam - Navigator this line is far too common these days.
goazer Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.24 16:46:00 - [70] You can say what you want about bob but they have killed alliances, conquered space, won pvp tournemants, been seen as liberators and invaders. Through all this they have stuck to their guns, and played eve like champions. Now they are dying like champions. A coward dies a thousand times before hes truely dead but a brave man only dies once.
MAXSuicide Team Cool	Posted - 2007.12.24 16:56:00 - [71] Originally by: goazer A coward dies a thousand times before hes truely dead but a brave man only dies once. so we can look forward to bob disbanding after this?
NoNameNewbie Caldari Raynor Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.12.24 16:59:00 - [72] Originally by: Don Z0LA Originally by: Aequitas Veritas I enjoy this :D Nothing like fighting after 5 mins travelling from your home base. Logging on when the call goes out for something and getting instant action. Its what we do, we fight, we kill, we die & we love the adrenaline surge it gives us. MC gave us a close target & included feelings in the mix as well. Cudos to them for bringing it! Oh, merry Christmas all! Merry Christmas. You got kicked out of Taosp since your payment for membership went back to real owners ? lol zola .. meany :p but i guess BOB having the time of their live, like Aeqnub said ...
Kay Han Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation STYX.	Posted - 2007.12.24 17:02:00 - [73] Edited by: Kay Han on 24/12/2007 17:02:30 Originally by: Malachon Draco Could you specify by what you mean here? How is MC losing atm, as far as I can tell the only systems being fought over in PB are BoB systems. MC's systems seem secure atm, and I do believe 2 of BoB's stations in PB fell to Tortuga. If I look at the current situation, I see BoB holding TPAR firmly with a big fleet, but so far not on the offensive in PB. At the same time, REDSWARM+allies is pushing through FAT towards Querious and with BoB deeply involved in PB, I don't see them mustering enough of a defence to stop the offensive up north that is heading towards Querious and Delve. If BoB wants to take out Tortuga, they need to take the Sov 4 MC constellation in PB. Even if BoB go on the offensive, how long would it take, and do they have that much time? Much truth in this post. As for now the "Superfriends" assault on Tpar as been stopped. From what i¦ve saw so far, MC & cannonfodder isn¦t putting up much of a fight. Maybe it comes with the time, we will see. temp napping MM clearly shows that the wannabe tortugans aren¦t able to get 1vs1 with the GBC. From my point of view, it¦s just a matter of time until MC formerly announces the nap with the northerns, since the are clearly not able to get Period basis on their own. I mean come on. "Superfriends" neutral? Thats the greatest joke this year... Not gonna to be topped in the remaining days... Its hard to defend every front at once. But targets come closer... slowly... 25s will fall pretty quick methinks. The russians are preparing the assault on Fountain / delve. The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious. Only AAA is gone a bit queite over the last days.... If the GBC can hold against the **storm comming, is another story... It will be definitly very interesting next year. But luckily Delve is full of NPC station to base from. Originally by:** CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.24 17:38:00 - [74] Originally by: D8 PREACHER <snip> MC etc are fairly new at defending a home region , but they have defended regions before . the main difference is they dont have a fanboi meatshield now , in the past they have supplied the caps/firepower with a meatshield/support like roadkill . What? Koronos Oh, and NAST.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.24 18:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Kay Han Edited by: Kay Han on 24/12/2007 17:02:30 Its hard to defend every front at once. But targets come closer... slowly... 25s will fall pretty quick methinks. The russians are preparing the assault on Fountain / delve. I think fountain has pretty much fallen with no resistance. Bruce held 3 stations last i heard a couple days ago. Quote: The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious. why is the north the 'nap-train' when the south isn't? southerners probably have a bigger blue list, and for that matter have probably been allied for less time. The razor/morsus/d2/iron etc group has been allied longer than most of the rsf alliances have existed, not exactly what you would expect for a train characterized by 'napping'. Quote: Only AAA is gone a bit queite over the last days.... probably doing something sneaky Originally by: Koronos Originally by: D8 PREACHER <snip> MC etc are fairly new at defending a home region , but they have defended regions before . the main difference is they dont have a fanboi meatshield now , in the past they have supplied the caps/firepower with a meatshield/support like roadkill . What? Koronos 2nded. Quote: Oh, and NAST. also seconded. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
samyangai	Posted - 2007.12.24 18:19:00 - [76] this is like bobs battle of the Bulge! one last assualt before their utter collapse at the hands of the allies. I just hope we dont get to delve to find ascn concentration camps
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.12.24 19:11:00 - [77] Edited by: fugazii on 24/12/2007 19:12:10 Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Kay Han Quote: The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious. why is the north the 'nap-train' when the south isn't? southerners probably have a bigger blue list, and for that matter have probably been allied for less time. The razor/morsus/d2/iron etc group has been allied longer than most of the rsf alliances have existed, not exactly what you would expect for a train characterized by 'napping'. Thats exactly it. If you look throughout almost all of eve history you will find all of the north nap'd. Pretty much aside from the GNW and the wars started by F-E, FOE, and TPS the naps have gone unbroken. Even when mc came up north and installed all those new alliances, one of the conditions of getting stations was to have everyone napd. The north will always be characterized by naps. The only consistent saving grace to the hands holding was from the north east. However with the current inhabitants, i dont hold much hope. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.24 19:43:00 - [78] Originally by: fugazii Edited by: fugazii on 24/12/2007 19:12:10 Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Kay Han Quote: The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious. why is the north the 'nap-train' when the south isn't? southerners probably have a bigger blue list, and for that matter have probably been allied for less time. The razor/morsus/d2/iron etc group has been allied longer than most of the rsf alliances have existed, not exactly what you would expect for a train characterized by 'napping'. Thats exactly it. If you look throughout almost all of eve history you will find all of the north nap'd. Pretty much aside from the GNW and the wars started by F-E, FOE, and TPS the naps have gone unbroken. Even when mc came up north and installed all those new alliances, one of the conditions of getting stations was to have everyone napd. The north will always be characterized by naps. The only consistent saving grace to the hands holding was from the north east. However with the current inhabitants, i dont hold much hope. what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek? The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Tearvygh Quillam	Posted - 2007.12.24 20:06:00 - [79] Edited by: Tearvygh Quillam on 24/12/2007 20:09:00
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.24 20:09:00 - [80] We the "Northen Monkeys" rule! That's all you need to know! Happy Holidays to us all!!!
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.24 20:18:00 - [81] dude i nap every person i see in local....... no I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
goazer Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.24 20:49:00 - [82] this thread is starting to make me want to take a nap
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:13:00 - [83] I don't know about BoB's long term future, but between them and MC my bets are on BoB. Many alliances are overrated in their abilities. BoB was considered unbeatable by many not too long ago, and MC's propaganda machine was hard at work for the whole duration of their existence. Subjective opinions like "some of the finest PvPers in EVE" do not win wars. Dedication does. And in current situation BoB have much more to be dedicated to and fight for than all "Tortugans" combined together. MC will be down in Empire before BoB. And if BoB doesn't hold out in the end, MC will soften the fall.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:24:00 - [84] Originally by: James Peabody words Spoken from the true carebear mentality. I bet your main is either ASCN. You seem like the kinda player that doesn't understand the pvp pilot mentality one bit.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:25:00 - [85] Originally by: Graalum what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek? The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title. I dont expect them to be backstabbing eachother every chance they get, but you also cant expect the north to stay fully napd to eachother for four years either. Right now, yes its smart for them to be napd, but prior/after this war whats the point? The reason the south isnt napland is 1 simple fact. They came together through war, and have for the most part been at war the entirety of thier naps. Theyre napd to fight a common enemy, thats only logical to do so. Now if they allstay napd after the war is over, then this will change everything, but only time can tell on that one. Its good to have friends, theres no denying that. But to keep standing a 4 year long nap that in many cases in hist requires you to travel 50+ jumps for a neutral alliance will get you the title of naptrain. A large portion of eve community doesnt consider the north a bunch of nap'rs for no reason, its been etched into everyones minds for the entirety of the game. Onto the regions, the north has 9 regions(im guessing you forgot pb). I dont know about the south, but ill take your account as true at 20. Thats roughly half, yet theres been a constant large amount of war going on in the south between southern alliances for pretty much the entire game. However if you look at the north there has been almost 0 wars between northerm alliances in the entirety of the game. Take gem/vale/trib out of the picture, can you even name 5 wars between major northern alliances in the last 4 years(northern alliance wars, not ones instigated by southern alliances)? <-Really think about it, then youll understand why the north is considered naptrain. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Mariko San Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:31:00 - [86] Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07 I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long. It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands. My views are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:33:00 - [87] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Graalum what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek? The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title. I dont expect them to be backstabbing eachother every chance they get, but you also cant expect the north to stay fully napd to eachother for four years either. Right now, yes its smart for them to be napd, but prior/after this war whats the point? The reason the south isnt napland is 1 simple fact. They came together through war, and have for the most part been at war the entirety of thier naps. Theyre napd to fight a common enemy, thats only logical to do so. Now if they allstay napd after the war is over, then this will change everything, but only time can tell on that one. Its good to have friends, theres no denying that. But to keep standing a 4 year long nap that in many cases in hist requires you to travel 50+ jumps for a neutral alliance will get you the title of naptrain. A large portion of eve community doesnt consider the north a bunch of nap'rs for no reason, its been etched into everyones minds for the entirety of the game. Onto the regions, the north has 9 regions(im guessing you forgot pb). I dont know about the south, but ill take your account as true at 20. Thats roughly half, yet theres been a constant large amount of war going on in the south between southern alliances for pretty much the entire game. However if you look at the north there has been almost 0 wars between northerm alliances in the entirety of the game. Take gem/vale/trib out of the picture, can you even name 5 wars between major northern alliances in the last 4 years(northern alliance wars, not ones instigated by southern alliances)? <-Really think about it, then youll understand why the north is considered naptrain. That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.
Kenion THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.24 22:15:00 - [88] Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31 Originally by: Darkrydar That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking. And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances? To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM. Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned... ----------------------------------------------
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.12.24 22:24:00 - [89] Originally by: Kenion Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31 Originally by: Darkrydar That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking. And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances? To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM. Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned... Strange how opinions change depending on the point that ppl are trying to make, i mean razor/mm/dronie dudes and all the rest that booted out mpire/fatal/cow all said that it was all MC who cleared the area and when they left the old north removed the new dudes. But now you seem to be claiming that it was the 9 alliances above and a cap fleet from MC that did the job and that RAZOR came back and cleared the area when the truth is the entire old north either fell quick like D2 or ran away like RAZOR until MC left then RAZOR/MM/DRONE BOYS plus every other anti-BOB corp/alliance they could find came back up and kicked the crap out of the new north.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 22:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Darkrydar That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking. That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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