Originally by: Smith

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1st BOB to post?

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Originally by: Deathwings Oracle

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Nice region, we'll keep it

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Originally by: James Peabody

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They had no interest in Delve and BoB, in fact they wanted OUT of the great war, but BoB decided to change that.

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Originally by: Shoukei

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hi mittani!

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Originally by: Kryztal

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I yawned

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Originally by: Plagiatum

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WOW WHAT FANTASTIC POST!!!

ARE YOU A FAMOUS JOURNALIST FOR REAL?!?!

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Originally by: Cvuos

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A wounded tortuga....was a tortuga before it got wounded. And when pushed against a tree,

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If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.

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Originally by: Maksiim

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Actually 1640...thats like 40 minutes from now

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Originally by: James Peabody

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MC CLAIM PB!!! TRAITORS!!!!!!! They exclaimed.

MC and the Tortugans were no real threat to BoB, despite the conjecture the tin foilists attempted to spread in the slurry....

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Originally by: James Peabody

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Tick Tock.... the greatest definition that Eve has ever seen? or a cursed utterance?

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Originally by: James Peabody

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Tick Tock.... the greatest definition that Eve has ever seen? or a cursed utterance?

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I say "pling plong" myself.

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Originally by: fugazii

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It has been 1 week and bob have completely raped tort.

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Originally by: Shoukei

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hi mittani!

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Originally by: OozoO

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bob broke in omist, the war has long been over, they just didnt notice

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Originally by: James Peabody

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Tick Tock.... the greatest definition that Eve has ever seen? or a cursed utterance?

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I say "pling plong" myself.

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We say "ping" and MC says "pong".

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Originally by: OozoO

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Originally by: James Peabody

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Tick Tock.... the greatest definition that Eve has ever seen? or a cursed utterance?

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I say "pling plong" myself.

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We say "ping" and MC says "pong".

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what does bruce say?!

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Originally by: OozoO

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what do I say?!

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Originally by: OozoO

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Originally by: James Peabody

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Tick Tock.... the greatest definition that Eve has ever seen? or a cursed utterance?

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I say "pling plong" myself.

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We say "ping" and MC says "pong".

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what does bruce say?!

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Originally by: James Peabody

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The siege of TPAR will probably end up being BoBs defining moment... a decision made upon pride, taken on the sword of arrogance, and seen through the with zealous of mad men.... mad men whos honour and achievements will live on, but only in the History of Eve, not in the Future that they craved to create and control.

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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo

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(...)
Theres one big difference between BOB and MC. BOB , for all its reputation, have become fat and bloated with carebears and second rate "PVPers". Its not the sharp pointy death machine it used to be.
(...)

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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo

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1) "They utterly smashed the north and have steam rolled every fight they have actually put the whole cap-force death machine to work in."

2) "Selene chose this path"

3) "Keep at it. BOB can't handle body bags."

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Originally by: Tempest Kane

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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo

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1) "They utterly smashed the north and have steam rolled every fight they have actually put the whole cap-force death machine to work in."

2) "Selene chose this path"

3) "Keep at it. BOB can't handle body bags."

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1) They had more support alliances working for them providing support fleets/meatshields than whole population of the GBC as it currently stands. In addition to this they were a high quality pvp group, with years of experience at what they do, just coming out of an extreme period of "self indulgence" were they had operated industrial maneuvers consistantly to produce their capital fleets and stock pile resources. They were fighting fresh against and allready weak and ill experienced adversary, Once D2 fell everyone else just collapsed in on themselves, and D2 was still feeling the pain of its downed titan and decimated capital fleet at the hands of the GBC in fountain. They were not cut out to provide any kind of competition against the MC, so to say they steam rolled the north and that makes them great.. lol. Its like saying who would win... Eve-Uni or Outbreak, its no competition at all.

2) I think your very much mistaken if you belive that selene had anything to do with our current situation, he has become a puppet to the ego of others and has allowed the reputation of his once pride worthy organization be sullied by the northern monkeys that now infest his corps, most of them residing in the ENTY corp, recruited out of desperation for numbers and eventually pulling the rug from under the old school, make no mistake about it, this is a power struggle not a single mind, alot of MC are in uproar about the current events. None more so than selene on the first night he saw our capital force (90% BOB btw guys, thats a fact) and realized what would become of his once proud band of troops.

The game is up. Whatever it costs to see you loose everything is not nearly expensive enougth.

3) Body bags? We have been hard at this for longer than you knew how to login to this game, in an almost constant state of egression with the very best this game had to offer, if you think its over, your in for a shock. But by all means beat your chest while we continue to show our resolve on the battlefield, and stretch your mind every time you fail and have to invent new reasons why this maybe. The truth is, were just better than you.

Tick Tock..

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Originally by: Breyghun

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There are going to be rough times ahead but I wouldn't be surprised to see a new "Tortuga style alliance" put together by old BoB/MC compatriots, once enough blood has been shed to salve the pride of the big movers in each alliance.

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Originally by: Aequitas Veritas

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I enjoy this :D
Nothing like fighting after 5 mins travelling from your home base. Logging on when the call goes out for something and getting instant action. Its what we do, we fight, we kill, we die & we love the adrenaline surge it gives us. MC gave us a close target & included feelings in the mix as well. Cudos to them for bringing it!

Oh, merry Christmas all!

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Originally by: fugazii

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It has been 1 week and bob have completely raped tort. Theyre accomplishing everything they are setting out to do. Why would they let them take pb? If bob didnt want pb they would have pulled out of it earlier. If mc didnt want to fight with bob, they would have negotiated the taking over of paragon soul or another of bobs regions they recently left, or maybe even defended thier stations up north.

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Originally by: WhiteSnake

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... back in the GNW, Jade's vendetta to kill NVA/PA, dragged in the war all the northen alliances, lead at least 3 of them to their doom before PA dies.

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Originally by: Smith

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And dont forget....we didnt want "insert item" anyway.

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Originally by: Ann Frost

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Please do not post spam - Navigator

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Originally by: goazer

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A coward dies a thousand times before hes truely dead but a brave man only dies once.

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Aequitas Veritas

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I enjoy this :D
Nothing like fighting after 5 mins travelling from your home base. Logging on when the call goes out for something and getting instant action. Its what we do, we fight, we kill, we die & we love the adrenaline surge it gives us. MC gave us a close target & included feelings in the mix as well. Cudos to them for bringing it!

Oh, merry Christmas all!

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Merry Christmas. You got kicked out of Taosp since your payment for membership went back to real owners ?

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Could you specify by what you mean here? How is MC losing atm, as far as I can tell the only systems being fought over in PB are BoB systems. MC's systems seem secure atm, and I do believe 2 of BoB's stations in PB fell to Tortuga.

If I look at the current situation, I see BoB holding TPAR firmly with a big fleet, but so far not on the offensive in PB. At the same time, REDSWARM+allies is pushing through FAT towards Querious and with BoB deeply involved in PB, I don't see them mustering enough of a defence to stop the offensive up north that is heading towards Querious and Delve.

If BoB wants to take out Tortuga, they need to take the Sov 4 MC constellation in PB. Even if BoB go on the offensive, how long would it take, and do they have that much time?

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.

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Originally by: D8 PREACHER

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MC etc are fairly new at defending a home region , but they have defended regions before . the main difference is they dont have a fanboi meatshield now , in the past they have supplied the caps/firepower with a meatshield/support like roadkill .

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Originally by: Kay Han

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Edited by: Kay Han on 24/12/2007 17:02:30
Its hard to defend every front at once. But targets come closer... slowly...

25s will fall pretty quick methinks.
The russians are preparing the assault on Fountain / delve.

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The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious.

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Only AAA is gone a bit queite over the last days....

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Originally by: Koronos

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Originally by: D8 PREACHER

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<snip>
MC etc are fairly new at defending a home region , but they have defended regions before . the main difference is they dont have a fanboi meatshield now , in the past they have supplied the caps/firepower with a meatshield/support like roadkill .

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What?

Koronos

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Oh, and NAST.

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Originally by: Graalum

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Originally by: Kay Han

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Quote:

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The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious.

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why is the north the 'nap-train' when the south isn't? southerners probably have a bigger blue list, and for that matter have probably been allied for less time. The razor/morsus/d2/iron etc group has been allied longer than most of the rsf alliances have existed, not exactly what you would expect for a train characterized by 'napping'.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Edited by: fugazii on 24/12/2007 19:12:10

Originally by: Graalum

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Originally by: Kay Han

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The Northern "Naptrain" will overrun Querious.

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why is the north the 'nap-train' when the south isn't? southerners probably have a bigger blue list, and for that matter have probably been allied for less time. The razor/morsus/d2/iron etc group has been allied longer than most of the rsf alliances have existed, not exactly what you would expect for a train characterized by 'napping'.

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Thats exactly it.

If you look throughout almost all of eve history you will find all of the north nap'd. Pretty much aside from the GNW and the wars started by F-E, FOE, and TPS the naps have gone unbroken. Even when mc came up north and installed all those new alliances, one of the conditions of getting stations was to have everyone napd.

The north will always be characterized by naps. The only consistent saving grace to the hands holding was from the north east. However with the current inhabitants, i dont hold much hope.

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Originally by: James Peabody

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words

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Originally by: Graalum

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what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek?

The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Graalum

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what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek?

The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title.

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I dont expect them to be backstabbing eachother every chance they get, but you also cant expect the north to stay fully napd to eachother for four years either. Right now, yes its smart for them to be napd, but prior/after this war whats the point?

The reason the south isnt napland is 1 simple fact. They came together through war, and have for the most part been at war the entirety of thier naps. Theyre napd to fight a common enemy, thats only logical to do so. Now if they allstay napd after the war is over, then this will change everything, but only time can tell on that one.

Its good to have friends, theres no denying that. But to keep standing a 4 year long nap that in many cases in hist requires you to travel 50+ jumps for a neutral alliance will get you the title of naptrain. A large portion of eve community doesnt consider the north a bunch of nap'rs for no reason, its been etched into everyones minds for the entirety of the game.

Onto the regions, the north has 9 regions(im guessing you forgot pb). I dont know about the south, but ill take your account as true at 20. Thats roughly half, yet theres been a constant large amount of war going on in the south between southern alliances for pretty much the entire game. However if you look at the north there has been almost 0 wars between northerm alliances in the entirety of the game. Take gem/vale/trib out of the picture, can you even name 5 wars between major northern alliances in the last 4 years(northern alliance wars, not ones instigated by southern alliances)? <-Really think about it, then youll understand why the north is considered naptrain.

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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Originally by: Kenion

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Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31

Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances?

To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM.

Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned...

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Originally by: marakor

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Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:58:38
Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:56:28

Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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Originally by: marakor

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Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:58:38
Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:56:28

Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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Originally by: Euxinus

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Originally by: marakor

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Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:58:38
Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:56:28

Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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someone is bitter eh?
I wish a hug helps.

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Originally by: Ral'Singe

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to think, right now we could all be sitting in POS bubbles watching supercapitals slug it out instead of actually fighting

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Kenion

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Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31

Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances?

To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM.

Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned...

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Strange how opinions change depending on the point that ppl are trying to make, i mean razor/mm/dronie dudes and all the rest that booted out mpire/fatal/cow all said that it was all MC who cleared the area and when they left the old north removed the new dudes.

But now you seem to be claiming that it was the 9 alliances above and a cap fleet from MC that did the job and that RAZOR came back and cleared the area when the truth is the entire old north either fell quick like D2 or ran away like RAZOR until MC left then RAZOR/MM/DRONE BOYS plus every other anti-BOB corp/alliance they could find came back up and kicked the crap out of the new north.

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Originally by: Orangir

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Ahaha, just kidding that was actually me

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Originally by: Kenion

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Kenion

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Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31

Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances?

To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM.

Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned...

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Strange how opinions change depending on the point that ppl are trying to make, i mean razor/mm/dronie dudes and all the rest that booted out mpire/fatal/cow all said that it was all MC who cleared the area and when they left the old north removed the new dudes.

But now you seem to be claiming that it was the 9 alliances above and a cap fleet from MC that did the job and that RAZOR came back and cleared the area when the truth is the entire old north either fell quick like D2 or ran away like RAZOR until MC left then RAZOR/MM/DRONE BOYS plus every other anti-BOB corp/alliance they could find came back up and kicked the crap out of the new north.

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Oh sorry I forgot CoW as well... so thats 10 alliances vs 2. Kinda flips the odds a bit. And no it wasn't just MC who did everything.

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Originally by: marakor

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Instead of crashing nodes to defend or spamming blobs to desynch or lag when you attack?.

WOW your eve game play must be such fun.

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Originally by: marakor

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COW did not turn up until loads later and neither did a lot of others for that matter but please do not let somthing like actual facts get in the way of your total and complete delusion.

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Originally by: Kenion

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Originally by: marakor

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COW did not turn up until loads later and neither did a lot of others for that matter but please do not let somthing like actual facts get in the way of your total and complete delusion.

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Actual facts? 8 alliances with a spearhead, thats pretty much it.

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Originally by: Mariko San

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Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07
I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long.

It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Graalum

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what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek?

The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title.

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I dont expect them to be backstabbing eachother every chance they get, but you also cant expect the north to stay fully napd to eachother for four years either. Right now, yes its smart for them to be napd, but prior/after this war whats the point?

The reason the south isnt napland is 1 simple fact. They came together through war, and have for the most part been at war the entirety of thier naps. Theyre napd to fight a common enemy, thats only logical to do so. Now if they allstay napd after the war is over, then this will change everything, but only time can tell on that one.

Its good to have friends, theres no denying that. But to keep standing a 4 year long nap that in many cases in hist requires you to travel 50+ jumps for a neutral alliance will get you the title of naptrain. A large portion of eve community doesnt consider the north a bunch of nap'rs for no reason, its been etched into everyones minds for the entirety of the game.

Onto the regions, the north has 9 regions(im guessing you forgot pb). I dont know about the south, but ill take your account as true at 20. Thats roughly half, yet theres been a constant large amount of war going on in the south between southern alliances for pretty much the entire game. However if you look at the north there has been almost 0 wars between northerm alliances in the entirety of the game. Take gem/vale/trib out of the picture, can you even name 5 wars between major northern alliances in the last 4 years(northern alliance wars, not ones instigated by southern alliances)? <-Really think about it, then youll understand why the north is considered naptrain.

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Originally by: Danari

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ôIn case of doubt, attack.ö -- General George S. Patton, Jr.

"Die Danari." -- alt

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Mariko San

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Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07
I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long.

It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands.

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So BoB should just have ignored MC breaking their mutual defence pact, stealing the space they were renting, putting up POS in multiple BoB station systems and reinforcing their POSes ?

Betrayal by a friend is a lot worse than honest enmity, and BoB would have to be complete pussies to just roll over and let them get away with it.

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Originally by: Lazuran

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The funniest part of all this is the massive bandwagoning and nap'ing going on around mc/ev0ke/0utbreak. Suddenly all that "no politics" stuff is being thrown overboard.

First you lose your principles, then you begin to lose wars...

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Originally by: Graalum

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Thats like calling the south a naptrain because noone from insmother has ever invaded cache (since both have been controlled by or at least the homeregion of ra longer than i have been in this game.

the north simply isn't big enough for multiple major powerblocks, which have been the norm for about 2 years now.

also i came at 8 and 20 by not including stain, curse, venal, gw, etc.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Betrayal by a friend is a lot worse than honest enmity, and BoB would have to be complete pussies to just roll over and let them get away with it.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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sooooo now that all of MC's towers in tpar are dead what next, BoB dropping towers in MC home constellation or MC dropping more towers in tpar ?

here's hoping for the former

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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sooooo now that all of MC's towers in tpar are dead what next, BoB dropping towers in MC home constellation or MC dropping more towers in tpar ?

here's hoping for the former

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Sorry, more MC towers in TPAR.

5 total, 1 is dead already, 1 reinforced, 1 dying, 2 online.

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Originally by: Furious Raccoon

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All I know is that Kryztal's sig almost makes me want rejoin Evolution. Bouncier is good. So what do you think Fuzz? Can I get a sig like that?

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Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed

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Edited by: Katarina Arisdeed on 26/12/2007 14:07:05

Looks to me like MC is just stalling you long enough for REDSWARM to rip through Querious and into Delve, denying you a good spot to fight from. Even if you hold TPAR and drive off every attack by MC, that's not gonna help you one bit once Redswarm+Old north chews through the rest of your space. Either you go on the offensive vs MC, or you're screwed.

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Originally by: Urrorur

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Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed

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Edited by: Katarina Arisdeed on 26/12/2007 14:07:05

Looks to me like MC is just stalling you long enough for REDSWARM to rip through Querious and into Delve, denying you a good spot to fight from. Even if you hold TPAR and drive off every attack by MC, that's not gonna help you one bit once Redswarm+Old north chews through the rest of your space. Either you go on the offensive vs MC, or you're screwed.

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"Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give. For he did not wish tribute, nor song, or monuments or poems of war and valor. His wish was simple. "Remember us," he said to me. That was his hope, should any free soul come across that place, in all the countless centuries yet to be. May all our voices whisper to you from the ageless stones"

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Originally by: Urrorur

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"Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give.

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Originally by: Hyakuchan

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Edited by: Hyakuchan on 26/12/2007 16:49:39

Originally by: Urrorur

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"Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give.

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You do not order that you be remembered, you win it.

Leonidas: This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they DIE!
Captain: Earn these shields, boys!
Spartans: Harooh!
Leonidas: Remember this day men. For it will be yours for all time.

Doesn't exactly sound like how the battle for the north went, as I recall...

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Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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Originally by: Chomapuraku

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Edited by: Chomapuraku on 27/12/2007 02:24:27

Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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hmm... a ****load of t2 frigates buy the farm in the space of 3 minutes...
top damage/final blow on all of them is the same pilot...
pilot is a known titan pilot....
and... wait for it... titan pilot is flying their titan, weapon is DDD

1/10 trolling attempt

oh, and take note that in that span of time, nothing larger than a t2 frig is listed. you may want to cross-check your KBs a bit better before trolling to get the whole picture

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Originally by: Duke Cratus

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Edited by: Duke Cratus on 27/12/2007 05:30:25

Originally by: Chomapuraku

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Edited by: Chomapuraku on 27/12/2007 02:24:27

Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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hmm... a ****load of t2 frigates buy the farm in the space of 3 minutes...
top damage/final blow on all of them is the same pilot...
pilot is a known titan pilot....
and... wait for it... titan pilot is flying their titan, weapon is DDD

1/10 trolling attempt

oh, and take note that in that span of time, nothing larger than a t2 frig is listed. you may want to cross-check your KBs a bit better before trolling to get the whole picture

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You know whats 10 times better than your post... this one, that points out that not one Frig kill on that kill board had a Titan or anything larger than a megathron on it... But I don't expect you to read that far into the kills.

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Originally by: Duke Phobos

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OK OK, sorry, I found two titans on that days worth of kills... sorry

And the only thing that hurts is being one of the largest alliances in the game, second in forum smack, the loss of 70 T2 Frigates in 2 hours and then posting that it wasn't anything worth mentioning...

I guess you didn't want those frigates anyways.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Originally by: Duke Phobos

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OK OK, sorry, I found two titans on that days worth of kills... sorry

And the only thing that hurts is being one of the largest alliances in the game, second in forum smack, the loss of 70 T2 Frigates in 2 hours and then posting that it wasn't anything worth mentioning...

I guess you didn't want those frigates anyways.

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Wrong char?

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Originally by: Galavet

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Mariko San

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Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07
I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long.

It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands.

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So BoB should just have ignored MC breaking their mutual defence pact, stealing the space they were renting, putting up POS in multiple BoB station systems and reinforcing their POSes ?

Betrayal by a friend is a lot worse than honest enmity, and BoB would have to be complete pussies to just roll over and let them get away with it.

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Originally by: Kera Delacour

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BoB's first mistake is considering anyone they "Charge" to live in their space a "friend". Frankly if I owned a condo and a 'friend' needed to live in it and I wasn't otherwise using it.... I wouldn't CHARGE them for it. No, I'd charge a TENNANT to live there... but I sure as hell wouldn't consider them a friend.

BoB's second mistake, especially in this particular isntance, is considering a bunch of MERCENARIES who have been living in their space for over a year to be FRIENDS. They are 'allies of circumstance' at best. Circumstances change, so does their status as "allies". Considering MC a 'friend' to anyone but MC is just plain insanity, especially when the situation changes to where it's not of mutual benefit to MC for the relationship to continue as they are, after all, Mercenaries.

In this case the Tenant said 'hell with you, you can no longer provide the services agreed upon so I'm claiming squatters rights'.

BoB can get all 'betrayed' all they want but they brought this on themselves based upon how their other tenants got treated when the space they were in was no longer defensible by BoB. Not to mention based on how their leaders were starting to try to treat MC. You don't issue orders to a friend, you ask questions and make suggestions.

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Originally by: marakor

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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Originally by: ElrondMD

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The North had no steam, no momentum and we acted accordingly, Razor space was returned swiftly and Branch retaken with minimal fuss, everything that was lost was returned, this time into the hands of alliances that still have the drive to maintain their control over space. In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark. None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue, its why it fell so quickly.

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Originally by: Orange Species

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Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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KIA are the guys


GO KIA!

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Originally by: Orange Species

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Originally by: Duke Cratus

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LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills

KIA KILLBOARD

Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go

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KIA are the guys


GO KIA!

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Originally by: Tempest Kane

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2) I think your very much mistaken if you belive that selene had anything to do with our current situation, he has become a puppet to the ego of others and has allowed the reputation of his once pride worthy organization be sullied by the northern monkeys that now infest his corps, most of them residing in the ENTY corp, recruited out of desperation for numbers and eventually pulling the rug from under the old school, make no mistake about it, this is a power struggle not a single mind, alot of MC are in uproar about the current events. None more so than selene on the first night he saw our capital force (90% BOB btw guys, thats a fact) and realized what would become of his once proud band of troops.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Of course BoB made a mistake by trusting the MC, but it's an understandable one since the entire mercenery business model is built on trust.

Who's going to hire someone who can't be trusted to honor a contract ? What's supposed to stop them from selling the employer's identity, changing sides on a whim, taking ISK and then laughing at you for trusting them with upfront payment ?

MC used to have quite a good reputation and excellent public relations so BoB had every reason to trust them to honor the terms of the agreement, them priding themselves on being merceneries is more reason to trust their word, not less.

Their tenant or friend status is pretty much irrelevant and suggesting BoB failed to hold up their end of the bargain quite simply ludicrous, things weren't even remotely close to the stage where any coalition forces were even considering mounting an assault on MC.

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Originally by: Drutt Warsong

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Of course BoB made a mistake by trusting the MC, but it's an understandable one since the entire mercenery business model is built on trust.

Who's going to hire someone who can't be trusted to honor a contract ? What's supposed to stop them from selling the employer's identity, changing sides on a whim, taking ISK and then laughing at you for trusting them with upfront payment ?

MC used to have quite a good reputation and excellent public relations so BoB had every reason to trust them to honor the terms of the agreement, them priding themselves on being merceneries is more reason to trust their word, not less.

Their tenant or friend status is pretty much irrelevant and suggesting BoB failed to hold up their end of the bargain quite simply ludicrous, things weren't even remotely close to the stage where any coalition forces were even considering mounting an assault on MC.

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This is so correct.

MC has lost far more then BoB they, lost the right to claim to be a mercenary alliance. They not only broke their contract they stole from their employer.

Merc's rely on integrity and honor to do bussiness. Their Employers have to trust them to keep their word and thus the contract.

as a mercenary alliance they are a joke now.
who can ever trust them again ?

all they are now is just another 0.0 alliance that will lie, steal, cheat and backstab anyone they can.

I wonder how Selene feels to see all those years of work, building trust and a honorable reputation flushed down the toilet.

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Originally by: Proxay

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Originally by: Kera Delacour

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BoB's first mistake is considering anyone they "Charge" to live in their space a "friend". Frankly if I owned a condo and a 'friend' needed to live in it and I wasn't otherwise using it.... I wouldn't CHARGE them for it. No, I'd charge a TENNANT to live there... but I sure as hell wouldn't consider them a friend.

BoB's second mistake, especially in this particular isntance, is considering a bunch of MERCENARIES who have been living in their space for over a year to be FRIENDS. They are 'allies of circumstance' at best. Circumstances change, so does their status as "allies". Considering MC a 'friend' to anyone but MC is just plain insanity, especially when the situation changes to where it's not of mutual benefit to MC for the relationship to continue as they are, after all, Mercenaries.

In this case the Tenant said 'hell with you, you can no longer provide the services agreed upon so I'm claiming squatters rights'.

BoB can get all 'betrayed' all they want but they brought this on themselves based upon how their other tenants got treated when the space they were in was no longer defensible by BoB. Not to mention based on how their leaders were starting to try to treat MC. You don't issue orders to a friend, you ask questions and make suggestions.

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You are aware there was a contract? And they were given titan bpos to build super-caps with (Isn't that what friends do? Lend stuff to each other?)

Don't post again thank you.

(The Mynas incident was in relation to him attempting to turn allies of bob (FIX) against bob, and breaking the contract that MC And BoB had established a long time ago, stating MC would not make an attack on BoB sovreign space. The plan itself was hostile, thus contract breach)

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Originally by: Nafri

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Well, actually MC gained reputation in this conflict, for the first time MC shows up as an independend entitiy.

MC was mostly referred to as a BoB muppet which only claims to be independed as some kind of roleplay.

When BoB will loose this war and MC would have stayed with BoB till the end, you think that MC had any chance to survive in 0.0? They made too much enemies the last years, and too much people referred to them as the most arrogant of the BoB muppets.

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Originally by: fugazii

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And as youve said theyve ****ed off to many people. AAA have always had thier sights on MC, the rest of the coalition also hates them now because of Catch, and ofc theres always the north who im sure isnt to pleased with them either. If the outcome is the same, they should have just gone down honorably than lose thier space as backstabbing traitors.

What I dont get though is how nearsighted the rest of MC's alliance is. I just find it puzzling that they didnt consider this a mistake. If they wanted space they should have hit someone who has similar numbers, they just dont have the force to get involved in this war as a independent entity especially when both sides will be fighting them.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 19:38:48

You are not being very pragmatic here fugazi...

The endgame for all the pew pew down south is for BoB to lose all its space and be defeated and if possible, humiliated. It appears that the fall of FIX is only a matter of time (the loss of their outposts will pretty much eliminate their will to fight anymore), and then the stage will be set for the final showdown, with RSF + AAA + the North at the gates of BoB's core systems.

Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode).

MC+Outbreak+KIA have played this situation pretty smart imo. When the time is right, they will be the wildcard..... when the pressure is on, I believe that both BoB and RSF will be prepared to do a deal with them. The coalition will not want a repeat of what happened last time.... and BoB will forget the "betrayal" if MC break out their caps for the BoB team.

My estimation is that without the Tortugians, the GBC and the coalition will still be engaging in territorial warfare come 2009. Neither of them will want that...

All in all, I can't help feeling that MC and Co.'s play for PB is a masterstroke killing two birds with one stone. It puts clear water between the "BoB's pet" days and it creates a market for a powerful mercenary force, open to the highest bidder, when the final battle for Delve takes place.

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Originally by: Post

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MC have never fought by themselves and now they do not either, but snuggled up with BoB for the last while they have managed to baby their ego's into thinking they were something special, something unique. BoB beleive they are something special too, but that is earned through success. Success breeds confidence, confidence breeds success. MC nurtured their confidence from BoBs success and people who did not like BoB started to say it was MC doing all the work, further increasing their false ego's. Now MC find what a cruel world EVE is.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Post

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MC have never fought by themselves and now they do not either, but snuggled up with BoB for the last while they have managed to baby their ego's into thinking they were something special, something unique. BoB beleive they are something special too, but that is earned through success. Success breeds confidence, confidence breeds success. MC nurtured their confidence from BoBs success and people who did not like BoB started to say it was MC doing all the work, further increasing their false ego's. Now MC find what a cruel world EVE is.

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Its a bit pointless discussing how good MC are or are not.... particularly as they now have Outbreak and KIA with them who btw are no slouches.

Lets break it down to the basics...



- BoB vs Tortuga >>> BoB wins

- Tortuga vs (RSF + North + AAA) >>> (RSF + North + AAA) wins

- (RSF + North + AA) vs BoB >>> slow victory, maybe too slow, to the point that allegiances within RSF start to falter...

- (BoB + Tortuga) vs (RSF + North + AAA) >>> Stalemate?

- (RSF + North + AAA + Tortuga) vs BoB >>> Quick decisive victory... surely what the endgame is... or no?

.. spot the wildcard (hint = its in italics)

What im trying to say is that personal grievances aside.... MC can alter the course of the war significantly by which side they favour, or don't favour, when the battle for Delve and the rush for a dininig seat at NOL enters full swing.

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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Yeah maybe BoB can't but what about BoB and the Greater BoB Community oh hey wait where did everyone go

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 19:38:48

Originally by: fugazii

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And as youve said theyve ****ed off to many people. AAA have always had thier sights on MC, the rest of the coalition also hates them now because of Catch, and ofc theres always the north who im sure isnt to pleased with them either. If the outcome is the same, they should have just gone down honorably than lose thier space as backstabbing traitors.

What I dont get though is how nearsighted the rest of MC's alliance is. I just find it puzzling that they didnt consider this a mistake. If they wanted space they should have hit someone who has similar numbers, they just dont have the force to get involved in this war as a independent entity especially when both sides will be fighting them.

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Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode).

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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hey wait where did everyone go

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Originally by: Nafri

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(I was part of a 150 people fleet who couldnt enter system with the jumpportals), thing is, defending the systems will give bob an advantage within their space, cause gbc wont be able to use their superior numbers (2000 possible pilots probably)

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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hey wait where did everyone go

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Get used to saying that now, it will ease your fears later..

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_-

Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC

Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ?

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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You are not being very pragmatic here fugazi...

The endgame for all the pew pew down south is for BoB to lose all its space and be defeated and if possible, humiliated. It appears that the fall of FIX is only a matter of time (the loss of their outposts will pretty much eliminate their will to fight anymore), and then the stage will be set for the final showdown, with RSF + AAA + the North at the gates of BoB's core systems.

Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode).

MC+Outbreak+KIA have played this situation pretty smart imo. When the time is right, they will be the wildcard..... when the pressure is on, I believe that both BoB and RSF will be prepared to do a deal with them. The coalition will not want a repeat of what happened last time.... and BoB will forget the "betrayal" if MC break out their caps for the BoB team.

My estimation is that without the Tortugians, the GBC and the coalition will still be engaging in territorial warfare come 2009. Neither of them will want that...

All in all, I can't help feeling that MC and Co.'s play for PB is a masterstroke killing two birds with one stone. It puts clear water between the "BoB's pet" days and it creates a market for a powerful mercenary force, open to the highest bidder, when the final battle for Delve takes place.

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Originally by: NichoTBE

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Originally by: ElrondMD

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The North had no steam, no momentum and we acted accordingly, Razor space was returned swiftly and Branch retaken with minimal fuss, everything that was lost was returned, this time into the hands of alliances that still have the drive to maintain their control over space. In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark. None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue, its why it fell so quickly.

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Do you realise how ironic this comment is?

Ok so the north was taken back and given back to razor. Minimal fuss? lmao, you guys had to muster everybody in the north, including tri at times to do that. So i wouldnt call that minimal fuss, it took months and months of *****ing away at it.

"None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue", i have to quote it again because i think im seeing things. What the hell is this comment. So, 2 points here... first the "new north" who was red to everybody, which by your comments suggests that things would have been more fun for everybody, but yet you choose to get your napfest back by removing them, which is how it is now apart from Tri who wont dare attack because they know all of the 50 alliances up there are going to come to your rescue. The other point i want to make is "In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark" - oh ok this must mean that any alliance can try and contest space, such as attacking Hydra and you guys wont get involved? Wtf ever! If any alliance new or old, weak or powerful tried to drop towers in any of the northern sov systems, a "call to arms" is put out in your northern powerblock diplomat channels and the towers are removed. Stop trying to bulls**t everybody with this crap.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC

Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ?

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Originally by: ElrondMD

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I'll cut you some slack because its obvious your just bitter you werent allowed to roll into Hydra space and grief them for months without anyone getting in your way.

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Originally by: Audri Fisher

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_-

Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC

Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ?

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All this time I thought that Evil Thug was best buddies with Seleene.

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Originally by: TrevorReznik

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So MC spammed 5 more towers on Christmas and has managed to save 0?

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ?

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_-

Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC

Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ?

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Originally by: Nafri

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<-- me noob

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Originally by: amagonsan

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Funny, everytime someone tries to praise MC about becomming independent and standing up to BoB.. Today I heard RA and Tortugans are actualy working together... so much for independance.

Well the little respect i still had for MC just whent down the drain..Backstabbers...

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Originally by: amagonsan

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Funny, everytime someone tries to praise MC about becomming independent and standing up to BoB.. Today I heard RA and Tortugans are actualy working together... so much for independance.

Well the little respect i still had for MC just whent down the drain..Backstabbers...

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.

Originally by: General Windypops

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*moderated*

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Originally by: Nafri

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werent GBC = ragoons and stuff and Bob and co the "alliance"?

but afterall, I didnt ***** coad for months

<-- me noob

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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Originally by: amagonsan

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Funny, everytime someone tries to praise MC about becomming independent and standing up to BoB.. Today I heard RA and Tortugans are actualy working together... so much for independance.

Well the little respect i still had for MC just whent down the drain..Backstabbers...

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hahahaha you're in RISE what would you know

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Originally by: Lou Ping

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"For it is the soldier's disposition to offer an obstinate resistance when surrounded, to fight hard when he cannot help himself, and to obey promptly when he has fallen into danger." - SUN TZU, The art of war.

I dont post very often, but I have to reply to this thread. I wont discuss the wisdom of attacking period base but I will say this about Delve.

You have to realise that Delve is BoB home ground so defending it what every bob pilot will do. To many resources and BoB assets are in Delve.

Also the greatest single aspect of sustaining a war is isk. To put it bluntley BoB pilots on the most part are rich. Isk is not a problem. They have also refocused thier isk making so it does not rely on 0.0 space.

Tortuga ...RA, goons etc... Meet Fortress Delve.

LP

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Originally by: ardik

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Originally by: Lou Ping

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"For it is the soldier's disposition to offer an obstinate resistance when surrounded, to fight hard when he cannot help himself, and to obey promptly when he has fallen into danger." - SUN TZU, The art of war.

I dont post very often, but I have to reply to this thread. I wont discuss the wisdom of attacking period base but I will say this about Delve.

You have to realise that Delve is BoB home ground so defending it what every bob pilot will do. To many resources and BoB assets are in Delve.

Also the greatest single aspect of sustaining a war is isk. To put it bluntley BoB pilots on the most part are rich. Isk is not a problem. They have also refocused thier isk making so it does not rely on 0.0 space.

Tortuga ...RA, goons etc... Meet Fortress Delve.

LP

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Hey, ask the best corp in Bob about how making a last stand deep in hostile space after having lost muliple regions worked out for them before.

If I recall correctly, finfleet lasted almost a whole 3 days from their "WE WILL HOLD THIS STATION WHATEVER IT COSTS AND BLEED THE INVADERS FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE !" to, "hey lets move to npc stain and be free of pos wars and play eve like it was meant to be plaOH GOD STAIN EMPAAAAAAAAA", which was after chowdongs and the rest of shinra had freightered their stuff out so they had to firesale everything for next to nothing.

Good times.

Oh and since you were talking about isk, I noticed that practically no bob members bother rigging up their fleet BS anymore. I even saw multiple bob ratting the other day, which I promptly halted of course. Hopefully this will change now that you have refocused your isk making!

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Originally by: Lou Ping

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"For it is the soldier's disposition to offer an obstinate resistance when surrounded, to fight hard when he cannot help himself, and to obey promptly when he has fallen into danger." - SUN TZU, The art of war.

I dont post very often, but I have to reply to this thread. I wont discuss the wisdom of attacking period base but I will say this about Delve.

You have to realise that Delve is BoB home ground so defending it what every bob pilot will do. To many resources and BoB assets are in Delve.

Also the greatest single aspect of sustaining a war is isk. To put it bluntley BoB pilots on the most part are rich. Isk is not a problem. They have also refocused thier isk making so it does not rely on 0.0 space.

Tortuga ...RA, goons etc... Meet Fortress Delve.

LP

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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hey wait where did everyone go

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Get used to saying that now, it will ease your fears later..

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You say that as if it wasn't our plan already

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Originally by: Gorefacer

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RABBLE

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.

Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: Lou Ping

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"For it is the soldier's disposition to offer an obstinate resistance when surrounded, to fight hard when he cannot help himself, and to obey promptly when he has fallen into danger." - SUN TZU, The art of war.

I dont post very often, but I have to reply to this thread. I wont discuss the wisdom of attacking period base but I will say this about Delve.

You have to realise that Delve is BoB home ground so defending it what every bob pilot will do. To many resources and BoB assets are in Delve.

Also the greatest single aspect of sustaining a war is isk. To put it bluntley BoB pilots on the most part are rich. Isk is not a problem. They have also refocused thier isk making so it does not rely on 0.0 space.

Tortuga ...RA, goons etc... Meet Fortress Delve.

LP

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Awww, this is sweet. You're going to fight us to the end. Posts like this bring a tear to my eye. Well, they did the first time I saw them. From LV. Then from CoRM. Then from RISE. Honestly, by that point it was getting old.

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Originally by: Lou Ping

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I dont post very often

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 19:38:48
My estimation is that without the Tortugians, the GBC and the coalition will still be engaging in territorial warfare come 2009. Neither of them will want that...

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Originally by: Elder Bob

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Originally by: Lou Ping

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"For it is the soldier's disposition to offer an obstinate resistance when surrounded, to fight hard when he cannot help himself, and to obey promptly when he has fallen into danger." - SUN TZU, The art of war.

I dont post very often, but I have to reply to this thread. I wont discuss the wisdom of attacking period base but I will say this about Delve.

You have to realise that Delve is BoB home ground so defending it what every bob pilot will do. To many resources and BoB assets are in Delve.

Also the greatest single aspect of sustaining a war is isk. To put it bluntley BoB pilots on the most part are rich. Isk is not a problem. They have also refocused thier isk making so it does not rely on 0.0 space.

Tortuga ...RA, goons etc... Meet Fortress Delve.

LP

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Awww, this is sweet. You're going to fight us to the end. Posts like this bring a tear to my eye. Well, they did the first time I saw them. From LV. Then from CoRM. Then from RISE. Honestly, by that point it was getting old.

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Originally by: Gorefacer

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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hey wait where did everyone go

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Get used to saying that now, it will ease your fears later..

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You say that as if it wasn't our plan already

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You guys are good.

Claim to "desecrate" BoB by beating them with many allies. Then make obscure claims about how you plan on going the same route as BoB in case it happens down the road.

Rally the troops against the arrogance of BoB, then make thousands of depreciating comments about anyone that loses space.

All this because BoB made you guys super angry =( , years ago, yet all coming from the group that "doesn't care about internet spaceships".

Goons are like magicians.

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