Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Originally by: marakor

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Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:58:38
Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:56:28

Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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Originally by: marakor

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Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:58:38
Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:56:28

Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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Originally by: Euxinus

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Originally by: marakor

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Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:58:38
Edited by: marakor on 24/12/2007 22:56:28

Originally by: Orangir

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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That's funny. So why is it that RAZOR, MM, and the other northern alliances are still around and holding space while your buddies in FATAL, M. PIRE, and CoW are all either disbanded, ****ing around in Curse, or attacking you?

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Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back.

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someone is bitter eh?
I wish a hug helps.

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Originally by: Ral'Singe

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to think, right now we could all be sitting in POS bubbles watching supercapitals slug it out instead of actually fighting

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Kenion

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Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31

Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances?

To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM.

Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned...

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Strange how opinions change depending on the point that ppl are trying to make, i mean razor/mm/dronie dudes and all the rest that booted out mpire/fatal/cow all said that it was all MC who cleared the area and when they left the old north removed the new dudes.

But now you seem to be claiming that it was the 9 alliances above and a cap fleet from MC that did the job and that RAZOR came back and cleared the area when the truth is the entire old north either fell quick like D2 or ran away like RAZOR until MC left then RAZOR/MM/DRONE BOYS plus every other anti-BOB corp/alliance they could find came back up and kicked the crap out of the new north.

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Originally by: Orangir

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Ahaha, just kidding that was actually me

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Originally by: Kenion

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Kenion

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Edited by: Kenion on 24/12/2007 22:15:31

Originally by: Darkrydar

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That's probably why the northern alliances fall like a house of cards when someone comes knocking.

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And by "someone" you mean the operation spearheaded by the capital fleet of MC and containing approximately 8 other alliances?

To list some (MC +): YOUWHAT, STORM ARMADA, SPARTA ALLIANCE, PANIC, VX, M.PIRE, F4T4L ALLIANCE, TERROR IN THE SYSTEM.

Yeah thats someone... total of 9 alliances crushing through D2 and RAZOR, and RAZOR returned...

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Strange how opinions change depending on the point that ppl are trying to make, i mean razor/mm/dronie dudes and all the rest that booted out mpire/fatal/cow all said that it was all MC who cleared the area and when they left the old north removed the new dudes.

But now you seem to be claiming that it was the 9 alliances above and a cap fleet from MC that did the job and that RAZOR came back and cleared the area when the truth is the entire old north either fell quick like D2 or ran away like RAZOR until MC left then RAZOR/MM/DRONE BOYS plus every other anti-BOB corp/alliance they could find came back up and kicked the crap out of the new north.

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Oh sorry I forgot CoW as well... so thats 10 alliances vs 2. Kinda flips the odds a bit. And no it wasn't just MC who did everything.

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Originally by: marakor

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Instead of crashing nodes to defend or spamming blobs to desynch or lag when you attack?.

WOW your eve game play must be such fun.

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Originally by: marakor

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COW did not turn up until loads later and neither did a lot of others for that matter but please do not let somthing like actual facts get in the way of your total and complete delusion.

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Originally by: Kenion

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Originally by: marakor

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COW did not turn up until loads later and neither did a lot of others for that matter but please do not let somthing like actual facts get in the way of your total and complete delusion.

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Actual facts? 8 alliances with a spearhead, thats pretty much it.

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Originally by: Mariko San

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Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07
I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long.

It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Graalum

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what a stupid argument. First, the 'north' is much smaller (8? regions) compared to more than twice that in the south (20 regions by my count). When you say that the north is nap land because they are all allies, does that not mean that you expect them to be backstabbing each other and turning on one another? rsf owns more regions than there are in the north atm, if the north is expected to have have multiple rival factions in the same small section of space, then why don't you call goonswarm napswarm, and expect them to invade wicked creek?

The term nap-train implies that it naps alliances for any old reason, and then you use the fact that the north has had the same small core of corporations alliances for years to justify that argument, which is clearly logically inconsistent. There are other groups around that are clearly more deserving of the 'nap-train' title.

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I dont expect them to be backstabbing eachother every chance they get, but you also cant expect the north to stay fully napd to eachother for four years either. Right now, yes its smart for them to be napd, but prior/after this war whats the point?

The reason the south isnt napland is 1 simple fact. They came together through war, and have for the most part been at war the entirety of thier naps. Theyre napd to fight a common enemy, thats only logical to do so. Now if they allstay napd after the war is over, then this will change everything, but only time can tell on that one.

Its good to have friends, theres no denying that. But to keep standing a 4 year long nap that in many cases in hist requires you to travel 50+ jumps for a neutral alliance will get you the title of naptrain. A large portion of eve community doesnt consider the north a bunch of nap'rs for no reason, its been etched into everyones minds for the entirety of the game.

Onto the regions, the north has 9 regions(im guessing you forgot pb). I dont know about the south, but ill take your account as true at 20. Thats roughly half, yet theres been a constant large amount of war going on in the south between southern alliances for pretty much the entire game. However if you look at the north there has been almost 0 wars between northerm alliances in the entirety of the game. Take gem/vale/trib out of the picture, can you even name 5 wars between major northern alliances in the last 4 years(northern alliance wars, not ones instigated by southern alliances)? <-Really think about it, then youll understand why the north is considered naptrain.

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Originally by: Danari

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ôIn case of doubt, attack.ö -- General George S. Patton, Jr.

"Die Danari." -- alt

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Originally by: Mariko San

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Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07
I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long.

It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands.

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So BoB should just have ignored MC breaking their mutual defence pact, stealing the space they were renting, putting up POS in multiple BoB station systems and reinforcing their POSes ?

Betrayal by a friend is a lot worse than honest enmity, and BoB would have to be complete pussies to just roll over and let them get away with it.

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Originally by: Lazuran

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The funniest part of all this is the massive bandwagoning and nap'ing going on around mc/ev0ke/0utbreak. Suddenly all that "no politics" stuff is being thrown overboard.

First you lose your principles, then you begin to lose wars...

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Originally by: Graalum

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Thats like calling the south a naptrain because noone from insmother has ever invaded cache (since both have been controlled by or at least the homeregion of ra longer than i have been in this game.

the north simply isn't big enough for multiple major powerblocks, which have been the norm for about 2 years now.

also i came at 8 and 20 by not including stain, curse, venal, gw, etc.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Betrayal by a friend is a lot worse than honest enmity, and BoB would have to be complete pussies to just roll over and let them get away with it.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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sooooo now that all of MC's towers in tpar are dead what next, BoB dropping towers in MC home constellation or MC dropping more towers in tpar ?

here's hoping for the former

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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sooooo now that all of MC's towers in tpar are dead what next, BoB dropping towers in MC home constellation or MC dropping more towers in tpar ?

here's hoping for the former

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Sorry, more MC towers in TPAR.

5 total, 1 is dead already, 1 reinforced, 1 dying, 2 online.

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Originally by: Furious Raccoon

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All I know is that Kryztal's sig almost makes me want rejoin Evolution. Bouncier is good. So what do you think Fuzz? Can I get a sig like that?

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