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Urrorur Eternum Guild Transportation Group	Posted - 2007.12.26 15:48:00 - [121] Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed Edited by: Katarina Arisdeed on 26/12/2007 14:07:05 Looks to me like MC is just stalling you long enough for REDSWARM to rip through Querious and into Delve, denying you a good spot to fight from. Even if you hold TPAR and drive off every attack by MC, that's not gonna help you one bit once Redswarm+Old north chews through the rest of your space. Either you go on the offensive vs MC, or you're screwed. "Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give. For he did not wish tribute, nor song, or monuments or poems of war and valor. His wish was simple. "Remember us," he said to me. That was his hope, should any free soul come across that place, in all the countless centuries yet to be. May all our voices whisper to you from the ageless stones" This is win.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.26 15:53:00 - [122] Wait...what was this thread about again? - I see that Bob and MC & Co. have had some good fights. A few days of fighting does not a Campaign make. - I see that some people think that the North should have stood in front of the Steamroller instead of waiting for it to pass by and slaughtering the junk that was sprouting behind it. - I see that having friends and helping them when they need it is somehow 'bad' and a 'napfest'. Must be the new PC reality-vision goggles on, cuz I sure don't see Rule of Three's help to Razor and MM that way. - I see Querious being devoured while Bob is busy in some drunken barfight over Period Basis. Meanwhile, Fix is waiting for the Hubby to come home. And most importantly: - I see Peoke ALMOST making a complete English sentence with proper grammar and spelling.
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.26 16:10:00 - [123] The simple fact is D2 was tired, several of its corps wanted to leave before MC even came and with the onset of the invasion it was not even tactically possible to mount any kind of acceptable defense of Branch, especially considering the southern deployment and the reality that D2 fleets were at best operating at half strength, towers not being fuelled properly and most Northern leaders well aware that D2 was finished regardless of the outcome. The North had no steam, no momentum and we acted accordingly, Razor space was returned swiftly and Branch retaken with minimal fuss, everything that was lost was returned, this time into the hands of alliances that still have the drive to maintain their control over space. In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark. None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue, its why it fell so quickly. I believe the Tortugans are running into problems because they are lacking the meat shield a mercenary corporation normally has when on contract. To put it more nicely, the numbers to adequetely shield the capital fleet, which puts it at risk or worse, forces it to disengage. The real test for both parties will be performance after the holiday breaks, no more excuses. Can BoB maul the tortugans before the Coalition finishes clearing out Querious and Fountain? I doubt it very much. the Tortugans knew what they were getting into, they can take losses and the second BoB starts faltering things will rapidly turn into their favour. I cant wait for some more fights, i just hope this isnt all over too quickly.
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.26 16:38:00 - [124] Originally by: Urrorur Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed Edited by: Katarina Arisdeed on 26/12/2007 14:07:05 Looks to me like MC is just stalling you long enough for REDSWARM to rip through Querious and into Delve, denying you a good spot to fight from. Even if you hold TPAR and drive off every attack by MC, that's not gonna help you one bit once Redswarm+Old north chews through the rest of your space. Either you go on the offensive vs MC, or you're screwed. "Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give. For he did not wish tribute, nor song, or monuments or poems of war and valor. His wish was simple. "Remember us," he said to me. That was his hope, should any free soul come across that place, in all the countless centuries yet to be. May all our voices whisper to you from the ageless stones" This is win. lol 300 ftw, even though I am a "Northern Napper"/"Carebear" good luck to MC and BoB with this war, whoever wins will be etched into the history books of EVE forever
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.12.26 16:49:00 - [125] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 26/12/2007 16:52:30 Originally by: Urrorur "Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give. You do not order that you be remembered, you win it. Leonidas: This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they DIE! Captain: Earn these shields, boys! Spartans: Harooh! Leonidas: Remember this day men. For it will be yours for all time. Doesn't exactly sound like how the battle for the north went, as I recall... actually the battle went more like Braveheart... Stephen: The Almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're f***ed.
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.26 16:51:00 - [126] Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 26/12/2007 16:49:39 Originally by: Urrorur "Remember us." As simple an order as a king can give. You do not order that you be remembered, you win it. Leonidas: This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they DIE! Captain: Earn these shields, boys! Spartans: Harooh! Leonidas: Remember this day men. For it will be yours for all time. Doesn't exactly sound like how the battle for the north went, as I recall... the original quote was a little tribute to BoB's efforts in the war, not the north
Duke Cratus Ostium Orci	Posted - 2007.12.27 01:57:00 - [127] LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.27 02:23:00 - [128] Edited by: Chomapuraku on 27/12/2007 02:24:27 Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go hmm... a ****load of t2 frigates buy the farm in the space of 3 minutes... top damage/final blow on all of them is the same pilot... pilot is a known titan pilot.... and... wait for it... titan pilot is flying their titan, weapon is DDD 1/10 trolling attempt oh, and take note that in that span of time, nothing larger than a t2 frig is listed. you may want to cross-check your KBs a bit better before trolling to get the whole picture
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.27 02:46:00 - [129] Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go BoB must be pretty poor guys, they have to use assault frig gangs now, I bet they're selling their pos for ammo. ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.27 03:50:00 - [130] Yes its true, bob have no more isk, we are flying frigs from now on. Nice troll though
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.27 03:51:00 - [131] Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go KIA are the guys GO KIA! ------------- jellybird is the #1!
Duke Cratus Ostium Orci	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:30:00 - [132] Edited by: Duke Cratus on 27/12/2007 05:30:25 Originally by: Chomapuraku Edited by: Chomapuraku on 27/12/2007 02:24:27 Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go hmm... a ****load of t2 frigates buy the farm in the space of 3 minutes... top damage/final blow on all of them is the same pilot... pilot is a known titan pilot.... and... wait for it... titan pilot is flying their titan, weapon is DDD 1/10 trolling attempt oh, and take note that in that span of time, nothing larger than a t2 frig is listed. you may want to cross-check your KBs a bit better before trolling to get the whole picture You know whats 10 times better than your post... this one, that points out that not one Frig kill on that kill board had a Titan or anything larger than a megathron on it... But I don't expect you to read that far into the kills.
Doctor Mario LightHammer MAC	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:33:00 - [133] Originally by: Duke Cratus Edited by: Duke Cratus on 27/12/2007 05:30:25 Originally by: Chomapuraku Edited by: Chomapuraku on 27/12/2007 02:24:27 Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go hmm... a ****load of t2 frigates buy the farm in the space of 3 minutes... top damage/final blow on all of them is the same pilot... pilot is a known titan pilot.... and... wait for it... titan pilot is flying their titan, weapon is DDD 1/10 trolling attempt oh, and take note that in that span of time, nothing larger than a t2 frig is listed. you may want to cross-check your KBs a bit better before trolling to get the whole picture You know whats 10 times better than your post... this one, that points out that not one Frig kill on that kill board had a Titan or anything larger than a megathron on it... But I don't expect you to read that far into the kills. Stop posting. It hurts.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:35:00 - [134] looks like most of those kills had a KIA large bubble + MC doomsday http://eve.klaki.net/
Duke Phobos	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:36:00 - [135] OK OK, sorry, I found two titans on that days worth of kills... sorry And the only thing that hurts is being one of the largest alliances in the game, second in forum smack, the loss of 70 T2 Frigates in 2 hours and then posting that it wasn't anything worth mentioning... I guess you didn't want those frigates anyways.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:39:00 - [136] Originally by: Duke Phobos OK OK, sorry, I found two titans on that days worth of kills... sorry And the only thing that hurts is being one of the largest alliances in the game, second in forum smack, the loss of 70 T2 Frigates in 2 hours and then posting that it wasn't anything worth mentioning... I guess you didn't want those frigates anyways. Wrong char?
Doctor Mario LightHammer MAC	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:41:00 - [137] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: Duke Phobos OK OK, sorry, I found two titans on that days worth of kills... sorry And the only thing that hurts is being one of the largest alliances in the game, second in forum smack, the loss of 70 T2 Frigates in 2 hours and then posting that it wasn't anything worth mentioning... I guess you didn't want those frigates anyways. Wrong char? lol, owned.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.27 05:44:00 - [138] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 27/12/2007 05:44:34 erm would any alliance be bothered by losing 70 afs ? i mean seriously ??? this thread has taken a really impressive turn for the dumb http://eve.klaki.net/
Kera Delacour Evenstar Industries	Posted - 2007.12.27 08:30:00 - [139] Originally by: Galavet Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Mariko San Edited by: Mariko San on 24/12/2007 21:32:07 I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what led to BOB attacking MC with such force and why they felt the need to start this war with former allies who always seemed to fight by their side for so long. It seems that it would have made more sense to send those resources after their enemies who they have been fighting well over a year or conserve those resources for when they come to attack BOB. Some of these enemies are now close to their currently controlled regions fighting in querious while they gleefully watch MC and BOB kill eachother, but strategic minds far above mine decided to attack old friends instead of attacking old enemies. I don't know why the logistics would be more difficult dealing with a campaign in querious as opposed to PB since it would make strategic sense to keep querious out of enemy hands. So BoB should just have ignored MC breaking their mutual defence pact, stealing the space they were renting, putting up POS in multiple BoB station systems and reinforcing their POSes ? Betrayal by a friend is a lot worse than honest enmity, and BoB would have to be complete pussies to just roll over and let them get away with it. BoB's first mistake is considering anyone they "Charge" to live in their space a "friend". Frankly if I owned a condo and a 'friend' needed to live in it and I wasn't otherwise using it.... I wouldn't CHARGE them for it. No, I'd charge a TENNANT to live there... but I sure as hell wouldn't consider them a friend. BoB's second mistake, especially in this particular isntance, is considering a bunch of MERCENARIES who have been living in their space for over a year to be FRIENDS. They are 'allies of circumstance' at best. Circumstances change, so does their status as "allies". Considering MC a 'friend' to anyone but MC is just plain insanity, especially when the situation changes to where it's not of mutual benefit to MC for the relationship to continue as they are, after all, Mercenaries. In this case the Tenant said 'hell with you, you can no longer provide the services agreed upon so I'm claiming squatters rights'. BoB can get all 'betrayed' all they want but they brought this on themselves based upon how their other tenants got treated when the space they were in was no longer defensible by BoB. Not to mention based on how their leaders were starting to try to treat MC. You don't issue orders to a friend, you ask questions and make suggestions. ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you!
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.12.27 09:09:00 - [140] Originally by: Kera Delacour BoB's first mistake is considering anyone they "Charge" to live in their space a "friend". Frankly if I owned a condo and a 'friend' needed to live in it and I wasn't otherwise using it.... I wouldn't CHARGE them for it. No, I'd charge a TENNANT to live there... but I sure as hell wouldn't consider them a friend. BoB's second mistake, especially in this particular isntance, is considering a bunch of MERCENARIES who have been living in their space for over a year to be FRIENDS. They are 'allies of circumstance' at best. Circumstances change, so does their status as "allies". Considering MC a 'friend' to anyone but MC is just plain insanity, especially when the situation changes to where it's not of mutual benefit to MC for the relationship to continue as they are, after all, Mercenaries. In this case the Tenant said 'hell with you, you can no longer provide the services agreed upon so I'm claiming squatters rights'. BoB can get all 'betrayed' all they want but they brought this on themselves based upon how their other tenants got treated when the space they were in was no longer defensible by BoB. Not to mention based on how their leaders were starting to try to treat MC. You don't issue orders to a friend, you ask questions and make suggestions. You are aware there was a contract? And they were given titan bpos to build super-caps with (Isn't that what friends do? Lend stuff to each other?) Don't post again thank you. (The Mynas incident was in relation to him attempting to turn allies of bob (FIX) against bob, and breaking the contract that MC And BoB had established a long time ago, stating MC would not make an attack on BoB sovreign space. The plan itself was hostile, thus contract breach)
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.27 09:22:00 - [141] Of course BoB made a mistake by trusting the MC, but it's an understandable one since the entire mercenery business model is built on trust. Who's going to hire someone who can't be trusted to honor a contract ? What's supposed to stop them from selling the employer's identity, changing sides on a whim, taking ISK and then laughing at you for trusting them with upfront payment ? MC used to have quite a good reputation and excellent public relations so BoB had every reason to trust them to honor the terms of the agreement, them priding themselves on being merceneries is more reason to trust their word, not less. Their tenant or friend status is pretty much irrelevant and suggesting BoB failed to hold up their end of the bargain quite simply ludicrous, things weren't even remotely close to the stage where any coalition forces were even considering mounting an assault on MC. http://eve.klaki.net/
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.27 09:56:00 - [142] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 27/12/2007 09:56:25 Originally by: marakor Because like goon they tend to run away and hide until the bad men have gone away then return with an absurd blob and or spam forums to get elements of the game nerfed so they can actualy take space back. You've figured us out. After we lost our space, we clamored for CCP to implement cynojammers and faction towers/mods to make it easier for us to take it all back.
NichoTBE The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.27 10:01:00 - [143] Originally by: ElrondMD The North had no steam, no momentum and we acted accordingly, Razor space was returned swiftly and Branch retaken with minimal fuss, everything that was lost was returned, this time into the hands of alliances that still have the drive to maintain their control over space. In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark. None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue, its why it fell so quickly. Do you realise how ironic this comment is? Ok so the north was taken back and given back to razor. Minimal fuss? lmao, you guys had to muster everybody in the north, including tri at times to do that. So i wouldnt call that minimal fuss, it took months and months of ***ing away at it. "None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue", i have to quote it again because i think im seeing things. What the hell is this comment. So, 2 points here... first the "new north" who was red to everybody, which by your comments suggests that things would have been more fun for everybody, but yet you choose to get your napfest back by removing them, which is how it is now apart from Tri who wont dare attack because they know all of the 50 alliances up there are going to come to your rescue. The other point i want to make is "In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark" - oh ok this must mean that any alliance can try and contest space, such as attacking Hydra and you guys wont get involved? Wtf ever! If any alliance new or old, weak or powerful tried to drop towers in any of the northern sov systems, a "call to arms" is put out in your northern powerblock diplomat channels and the towers are removed. Stop trying to bullst everybody with this crap.
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.27 11:10:00 - [144] Originally by: Orange Species Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go KIA are the guys GO KIA! That isn't one of my members. Nice troll attempt from someone though. Gf last night BoB, was an interesting time, and much fun had by all sides. KIA EVE Home Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.27 11:21:00 - [145] Originally by: Orange Species Originally by: Duke Cratus LOL, BoB got WTFPWNED today... look at all those T2 Frigate kills KIA KILLBOARD Now I know you all will say who cares about frigates, but seriously that has to be a kick in the balls since BoB outnumbers KIA 10 to 1... Go Mercs Go KIA are the guys GO KIA!
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.12.27 12:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Tempest Kane 2) I think your very much mistaken if you belive that selene had anything to do with our current situation, he has become a puppet to the ego of others and has allowed the reputation of his once pride worthy organization be sullied by the northern monkeys that now infest his corps, most of them residing in the ENTY corp, recruited out of desperation for numbers and eventually pulling the rug from under the old school, make no mistake about it, this is a power struggle not a single mind, alot of MC are in uproar about the current events. None more so than selene on the first night he saw our capital force (90% BOB btw guys, thats a fact) and realized what would become of his once proud band of troops. Qft. mynas wormtongue, krall, almost all mc ****posters on gbbs are etny guys. mc should blame them and kick them out
Drutt Warsong CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.12.27 12:46:00 - [147] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Of course BoB made a mistake by trusting the MC, but it's an understandable one since the entire mercenery business model is built on trust. Who's going to hire someone who can't be trusted to honor a contract ? What's supposed to stop them from selling the employer's identity, changing sides on a whim, taking ISK and then laughing at you for trusting them with upfront payment ? MC used to have quite a good reputation and excellent public relations so BoB had every reason to trust them to honor the terms of the agreement, them priding themselves on being merceneries is more reason to trust their word, not less. Their tenant or friend status is pretty much irrelevant and suggesting BoB failed to hold up their end of the bargain quite simply ludicrous, things weren't even remotely close to the stage where any coalition forces were even considering mounting an assault on MC. This is so correct. MC has lost far more then BoB they, lost the right to claim to be a mercenary alliance. They not only broke their contract they stole from their employer. Merc's rely on integrity and honor to do bussiness. Their Employers have to trust them to keep their word and thus the contract. as a mercenary alliance they are a joke now. who can ever trust them again ? all they are now is just another 0.0 alliance that will lie, steal, cheat and backstab anyone they can. I wonder how Selene feels to see all those years of work, building trust and a honorable reputation flushed down the toilet.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:00:00 - [148] Originally by: Drutt Warsong Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Of course BoB made a mistake by trusting the MC, but it's an understandable one since the entire mercenery business model is built on trust. Who's going to hire someone who can't be trusted to honor a contract ? What's supposed to stop them from selling the employer's identity, changing sides on a whim, taking ISK and then laughing at you for trusting them with upfront payment ? MC used to have quite a good reputation and excellent public relations so BoB had every reason to trust them to honor the terms of the agreement, them priding themselves on being merceneries is more reason to trust their word, not less. Their tenant or friend status is pretty much irrelevant and suggesting BoB failed to hold up their end of the bargain quite simply ludicrous, things weren't even remotely close to the stage where any coalition forces were even considering mounting an assault on MC. This is so correct. MC has lost far more then BoB they, lost the right to claim to be a mercenary alliance. They not only broke their contract they stole from their employer. Merc's rely on integrity and honor to do bussiness. Their Employers have to trust them to keep their word and thus the contract. as a mercenary alliance they are a joke now. who can ever trust them again ? all they are now is just another 0.0 alliance that will lie, steal, cheat and backstab anyone they can. I wonder how Selene feels to see all those years of work, building trust and a honorable reputation flushed down the toilet. Well, actually MC gained reputation in this conflict, for the first time MC shows up as an independend entitiy. MC was mostly referred to as a BoB muppet which only claims to be independed as some kind of roleplay. When BoB will loose this war and MC would have stayed with BoB till the end, you think that MC had any chance to survive in 0.0? They made too much enemies the last years, and too much people referred to them as the most arrogant of the BoB muppets. Public Noobism
Kera Delacour Evenstar Industries	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:03:00 - [149] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Kera Delacour BoB's first mistake is considering anyone they "Charge" to live in their space a "friend". Frankly if I owned a condo and a 'friend' needed to live in it and I wasn't otherwise using it.... I wouldn't CHARGE them for it. No, I'd charge a TENNANT to live there... but I sure as hell wouldn't consider them a friend. BoB's second mistake, especially in this particular isntance, is considering a bunch of MERCENARIES who have been living in their space for over a year to be FRIENDS. They are 'allies of circumstance' at best. Circumstances change, so does their status as "allies". Considering MC a 'friend' to anyone but MC is just plain insanity, especially when the situation changes to where it's not of mutual benefit to MC for the relationship to continue as they are, after all, Mercenaries. In this case the Tenant said 'hell with you, you can no longer provide the services agreed upon so I'm claiming squatters rights'. BoB can get all 'betrayed' all they want but they brought this on themselves based upon how their other tenants got treated when the space they were in was no longer defensible by BoB. Not to mention based on how their leaders were starting to try to treat MC. You don't issue orders to a friend, you ask questions and make suggestions. You are aware there was a contract? And they were given titan bpos to build super-caps with (Isn't that what friends do? Lend stuff to each other?) Don't post again thank you. (The Mynas incident was in relation to him attempting to turn allies of bob (FIX) against bob, and breaking the contract that MC And BoB had established a long time ago, stating MC would not make an attack on BoB sovreign space. The plan itself was hostile, thus contract breach) From what I've read here was they had some form of agreement where BoB provided secure space in PB for MC and MC agreed not to take any major contracts against BoB or some such in return as well as agreeing to provide BoB some form of free 'contract' time based on residency as well? Correct? Seems to me that MC took a look at the rate at which BoB has been losing space, how they've treated their other 'agreement holders/pets/renters/whatever' when space became threatened and decided BoB was no longer capable of upholding their end of the bargain. Now I could be wrong but it strikes me as a logical conclusion. BoB can no longer guarantee safety in PB so MC decided to get some friends and secure their area of space. Sucks for BoB, and I agree, and have said so many times, that MC probably could have done it differently. But for BoB to come to these forums screaming about how they were "backstabbed" is just mind-boggling to me. And people 'losing trust' in any alliance that made a relatively logical decision to secure their territory and assets just baffles me as well. Clue: MC holds space. As such they are going to have most of the same concerns any other space holding alliance does. If they feel BoB can no longer defend them they can either prepare to relocate when BoB ultimately falls or they can cut ties and make plans of their own. Looks to me like MC went with option 2. Which a lot of other BoB "Pets" really should have done, considering that 'fighting to the end' either caused them to disband or become homeless. ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you!
Post Man Pat And His Black And White Cat	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:47:00 - [150] Looks like Mitane is growing weird and tiresome of the game from his recent posts which show alot of frustration. This begs the question if Goonswarm can actually survive when Mitane quits, I mean who will make them forums sigs and post one liner responses which the whole goonfleet copy and paste on these boards? It is a sad day for goons. Postman Pat

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