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darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:18:00 - [151] Interesting read. BOBs strengh relies on its organisation and dedication. lets see what 2008 brings, id say the more BOB space thats taken the stronger BOB will become. The BOB leaders need to be comming up with ideas and plans to bait the allies cap fleets, this also goes for both sides. if u constantly try and bait the caps they will prob be used less against you. Anyways im sure at the end of the day it will all come down to who uses the lag monster properly, as that seems to dicate all alliance battles lately. d solo.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.12.27 18:45:00 - [152] Originally by: Nafri Well, actually MC gained reputation in this conflict, for the first time MC shows up as an independend entitiy. MC was mostly referred to as a BoB muppet which only claims to be independed as some kind of roleplay. When BoB will loose this war and MC would have stayed with BoB till the end, you think that MC had any chance to survive in 0.0? They made too much enemies the last years, and too much people referred to them as the most arrogant of the BoB muppets. I dont think many people see them as gaining any reputation. They have proven over the last couple years that they are just bob's puppets. Now that that ship is sinking they bail on their friends (before theyre in any sort of danger) and kick them while theyre down. MC will not walk away from this with space. If theyre having trouble against bob, and bob has trouble against ragoon, ragoon should have no trouble against MC. And as youve said theyve ****ed off to many people. AAA have always had thier sights on MC, the rest of the coalition also hates them now because of Catch, and ofc theres always the north who im sure isnt to pleased with them either. If the outcome is the same, they should have just gone down honorably than lose thier space as backstabbing traitors. What I dont get though is how nearsighted the rest of MC's alliance is. I just find it puzzling that they didnt consider this a mistake. If they wanted space they should have hit someone who has similar numbers, they just dont have the force to get involved in this war as a independent entity especially when both sides will be fighting them. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
fewl Caldari Frontier Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.27 19:12:00 - [153] Theres a few posters here that seem bitter on both sides. The reality of the situation is this.. will bob die? maybe but probably not. will mc lose space - this wont be determined by bob but by whether or not the anti bob coalition can take the space from them.
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.27 19:35:00 - [154] Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 19:38:48 Originally by: fugazii And as youve said theyve ****ed off to many people. AAA have always had thier sights on MC, the rest of the coalition also hates them now because of Catch, and ofc theres always the north who im sure isnt to pleased with them either. If the outcome is the same, they should have just gone down honorably than lose thier space as backstabbing traitors. What I dont get though is how nearsighted the rest of MC's alliance is. I just find it puzzling that they didnt consider this a mistake. If they wanted space they should have hit someone who has similar numbers, they just dont have the force to get involved in this war as a independent entity especially when both sides will be fighting them. You are not being very pragmatic here fugazi... The endgame for all the pew pew down south is for BoB to lose all its space and be defeated and if possible, humiliated. It appears that the fall of FIX is only a matter of time (the loss of their outposts will pretty much eliminate their will to fight anymore), and then the stage will be set for the final showdown, with RSF + AAA + the North at the gates of BoB's core systems. Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode). MC+Outbreak+KIA have played this situation pretty smart imo. When the time is right, they will be the wildcard..... when the pressure is on, I believe that both BoB and RSF will be prepared to do a deal with them. The coalition will not want a repeat of what happened last time.... and BoB will forget the "betrayal" if MC break out their caps for the BoB team. My estimation is that without the Tortugians, the GBC and the coalition will still be engaging in territorial warfare come 2009. Neither of them will want that... All in all, I can't help feeling that MC and Co.'s play for PB is a masterstroke killing two birds with one stone. It puts clear water between the "BoB's pet" days and it creates a market for a powerful mercenary force, open to the highest bidder, when the final battle for Delve takes place.
Post Man Pat And His Black And White Cat	Posted - 2007.12.27 20:17:00 - [155] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 19:38:48 You are not being very pragmatic here fugazi... The endgame for all the pew pew down south is for BoB to lose all its space and be defeated and if possible, humiliated. It appears that the fall of FIX is only a matter of time (the loss of their outposts will pretty much eliminate their will to fight anymore), and then the stage will be set for the final showdown, with RSF + AAA + the North at the gates of BoB's core systems. Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode). MC+Outbreak+KIA have played this situation pretty smart imo. When the time is right, they will be the wildcard..... when the pressure is on, I believe that both BoB and RSF will be prepared to do a deal with them. The coalition will not want a repeat of what happened last time.... and BoB will forget the "betrayal" if MC break out their caps for the BoB team. My estimation is that without the Tortugians, the GBC and the coalition will still be engaging in territorial warfare come 2009. Neither of them will want that... All in all, I can't help feeling that MC and Co.'s play for PB is a masterstroke killing two birds with one stone. It puts clear water between the "BoB's pet" days and it creates a market for a powerful mercenary force, open to the highest bidder, when the final battle for Delve takes place. Mercenary Force? I think not. For the most of EvE now MC's mercenary force status is gone, they're just another alliance. They're also just an alliance who claim to be the best pvpers ingame, claim to have the "blingest" fleets, yet what battle do they choose, the great battle against all odds to show their pvp might as a solo entity or to be that guy who runs in and throws a kick to the torso of a fallen warrior. MC has shown nothing but mediocricy in PB. They failed at attacking PB, they have not once put up a fleet to match BoBs in numbers down there and now they resort to POS spamming tpar with tower upon tower and Seleene rationalising losses by saying how that he was unable to lead their fleets due to "eating turkey". MC have never fought by themselves and now they do not either, but snuggled up with BoB for the last while they have managed to baby their ego's into thinking they were something special, something unique. BoB beleive they are something special too, but that is earned through success. Success breeds confidence, confidence breeds success. MC nurtured their confidence from BoBs success and people who did not like BoB started to say it was MC doing all the work, further increasing their false ego's. Now MC find what a cruel world EVE is. Postman Pat
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.27 20:50:00 - [156] Originally by: Post MC have never fought by themselves and now they do not either, but snuggled up with BoB for the last while they have managed to baby their ego's into thinking they were something special, something unique. BoB beleive they are something special too, but that is earned through success. Success breeds confidence, confidence breeds success. MC nurtured their confidence from BoBs success and people who did not like BoB started to say it was MC doing all the work, further increasing their false ego's. Now MC find what a cruel world EVE is. Its a bit pointless discussing how good MC are or are not.... particularly as they now have Outbreak and KIA with them who btw are no slouches. Lets break it down to the basics... - BoB vs Tortuga >>> BoB wins - Tortuga vs (RSF + North + AAA) >>> (RSF + North + AAA) wins - (RSF + North + AA) vs BoB >>> slow victory, maybe too slow, to the point that allegiances within RSF start to falter... - *(BoB + Tortuga) vs (RSF + North + AAA)* >>> Stalemate? - *(RSF + North + AAA + Tortuga) vs BoB* >>> Quick decisive victory... surely what the endgame is... or no? .. spot the wildcard (hint = its in italics) What im trying to say is that personal grievances aside.... MC can alter the course of the war significantly by which side they favour, or don't favour, when the battle for Delve and the rush for a dininig seat at NOL enters full swing.
Khirzan Wolfson The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.27 21:01:00 - [157] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Post MC have never fought by themselves and now they do not either, but snuggled up with BoB for the last while they have managed to baby their ego's into thinking they were something special, something unique. BoB beleive they are something special too, but that is earned through success. Success breeds confidence, confidence breeds success. MC nurtured their confidence from BoBs success and people who did not like BoB started to say it was MC doing all the work, further increasing their false ego's. Now MC find what a cruel world EVE is. Its a bit pointless discussing how good MC are or are not.... particularly as they now have Outbreak and KIA with them who btw are no slouches. Lets break it down to the basics... - BoB vs Tortuga >>> BoB wins - Tortuga vs (RSF + North + AAA) >>> (RSF + North + AAA) wins - (RSF + North + AA) vs BoB >>> slow victory, maybe too slow, to the point that allegiances within RSF start to falter... - *(BoB + Tortuga) vs (RSF + North + AAA)* >>> Stalemate? - *(RSF + North + AAA + Tortuga) vs BoB* >>> Quick decisive victory... surely what the endgame is... or no? .. spot the wildcard (hint = its in italics) What im trying to say is that personal grievances aside.... MC can alter the course of the war significantly by which side they favour, or don't favour, when the battle for Delve and the rush for a dininig seat at NOL enters full swing. LOL bob wont beat tortuga. tortuga's emergance was the endgame for ole bobby boi -KW
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.27 21:02:00 - [158] Yeah maybe BoB can't but what about BoB and the Greater BoB Community oh hey wait where did everyone go Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.27 21:05:00 - [159] Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 21:05:47 Originally by: Virgil Aquilis Yeah maybe BoB can't but what about BoB and the Greater BoB Community oh hey wait where did everyone go my understanding of the situation is that Tortuga alone simply don't have the manpower to take BoB, never mind the GBC, which granted is pretty much a non entity atm ..... but hey maybe I'm wrong.
Jenjuan Gallente VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.27 23:25:00 - [160] Personally, I would hate to see BOB go down. I'm hoping they're fortifying their positions as we speak and are ready to defend their space with everything they've got. Even though BOB is an enemy of our Alliance, they're such a polarizing force that they really help to keep the game interesting, and let's face it they provide some great fights. So here's to hoping that BOB takes in on the chin but keeps it going. [url=http://profile.xfire.com/jenjuan][/url]
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:03:00 - [161] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 27/12/2007 19:38:48 Originally by: fugazii And as youve said theyve ****ed off to many people. AAA have always had thier sights on MC, the rest of the coalition also hates them now because of Catch, and ofc theres always the north who im sure isnt to pleased with them either. If the outcome is the same, they should have just gone down honorably than lose thier space as backstabbing traitors. What I dont get though is how nearsighted the rest of MC's alliance is. I just find it puzzling that they didnt consider this a mistake. If they wanted space they should have hit someone who has similar numbers, they just dont have the force to get involved in this war as a independent entity especially when both sides will be fighting them. Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode). Well the 50 dreads were lost cause CCP decided to cap the system numbers down to 700max, coalition decided to fight based on an other scenario than ccp provided :) (I was part of a 150 people fleet who couldnt enter system with the jumpportals), thing is, defending the systems will give bob an advantage within their space, cause gbc wont be able to use their superior numbers (2000 possible pilots probably) Public Noobism
Kaaii Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:03:00 - [162] Originally by: Virgil Aquilis hey wait where did everyone go Get used to saying that now, it will ease your fears later.. According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:33:00 - [163] Originally by: Nafri (I was part of a 150 people fleet who couldnt enter system with the jumpportals), thing is, defending the systems will give bob an advantage within their space, cause gbc wont be able to use their superior numbers (2000 possible pilots probably) We're gonna outblob the **** out of the coalition which contains more than 50% of the 0.0 players by using superior numbers.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.28 01:23:00 - [164] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Virgil Aquilis hey wait where did everyone go Get used to saying that now, it will ease your fears later.. You say that as if it wasn't our plan already Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.28 03:44:00 - [165] TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_- Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.28 03:50:00 - [166] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_- Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ? All this time I thought that Evil Thug was best buddies with Seleene.
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.28 04:37:00 - [167] It's pretty funny to see BoB get their butts kicked in Catch, then run down to Period Basis to kick around MC+friends to feel better about themselves.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2007.12.28 04:38:00 - [168] Originally by: Nez Perces You are not being very pragmatic here fugazi... The endgame for all the pew pew down south is for BoB to lose all its space and be defeated and if possible, humiliated. It appears that the fall of FIX is only a matter of time (the loss of their outposts will pretty much eliminate their will to fight anymore), and then the stage will be set for the final showdown, with RSF + AAA + the North at the gates of BoB's core systems. Problem is this scenario has been played out before... and it didnt end so good for the coalition (the 50 dreads in one day episode). MC+Outbreak+KIA have played this situation pretty smart imo. When the time is right, they will be the wildcard..... when the pressure is on, I believe that both BoB and RSF will be prepared to do a deal with them. The coalition will not want a repeat of what happened last time.... and BoB will forget the "betrayal" if MC break out their caps for the BoB team. My estimation is that without the Tortugians, the GBC and the coalition will still be engaging in territorial warfare come 2009. Neither of them will want that... All in all, I can't help feeling that MC and Co.'s play for PB is a masterstroke killing two birds with one stone. It puts clear water between the "BoB's pet" days and it creates a market for a powerful mercenary force, open to the highest bidder, when the final battle for Delve takes place. Yes this scenario has been played out before, however it was largely spearheaded by an inept alliance that faired worse than ascn. Not to mention the siege you stated was planned poorly with tactics that werent viable due to a last minute change on player caps by ccp. This time the invasion will be completely different. It will be led by capable leaders in alliances that have pilots who have very extensive fleet experience. Combined with the fact that titans are no longer i-win buttons as they were back then i just dont see a scenario where the southern coalition will need MC+co's help especially now that they are being bolstered by northern forces who are much more fleet experienced than they were back a year ago. Not to mention they wont need to push bob out of pb anymore either. I cant see bob calling on mc's help either, if they had any plans on calling on mc's help it would be illogical for them to be weakening them right now, especially at the cost of losing space in querious and catch. I just see MC+co trying to keep a low profile/getting on anti-bob's sides good side hoping that once bob has lost the war the victors will be to war-tired to start another campaign against a well defended region. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.28 05:08:00 - [169] Originally by: NichoTBE Originally by: ElrondMD The North had no steam, no momentum and we acted accordingly, Razor space was returned swiftly and Branch retaken with minimal fuss, everything that was lost was returned, this time into the hands of alliances that still have the drive to maintain their control over space. In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark. None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue, its why it fell so quickly. Do you realise how ironic this comment is? Ok so the north was taken back and given back to razor. Minimal fuss? lmao, you guys had to muster everybody in the north, including tri at times to do that. So i wouldnt call that minimal fuss, it took months and months of ***ing away at it. "None of the pvpers were happy with the North when everyone was blue", i have to quote it again because i think im seeing things. What the hell is this comment. So, 2 points here... first the "new north" who was red to everybody, which by your comments suggests that things would have been more fun for everybody, but yet you choose to get your napfest back by removing them, which is how it is now apart from Tri who wont dare attack because they know all of the 50 alliances up there are going to come to your rescue. The other point i want to make is "In fact a more healthy competition for space has been allowed to exist which is great for alliances wishing to make their mark" - oh ok this must mean that any alliance can try and contest space, such as attacking Hydra and you guys wont get involved? Wtf ever! If any alliance new or old, weak or powerful tried to drop towers in any of the northern sov systems, a "call to arms" is put out in your northern powerblock diplomat channels and the towers are removed. Stop trying to bullst everybody with this crap. I'll cut you some slack because its obvious your just bitter you werent allowed to roll into Hydra space and grief them for months without anyone getting in your way. First of all the New North forced our hand because it was obvious that if we went south on a campaign Razor space would be threatened once more, secondly we would not allow a force to move south aiding BoB that lived next door to us(which they did, prompting their eviction). The new North were directly inhibiting many entities ability to campaign away from home and thus they were removed. You need to go back and check on some numbers by the way, the New North outnumbered the 'Old north' quite significantly at one point, especially considering many of the entities credited with removing them were only around on specific days for specific operations and did not maintain the constant presence needed to whittle down and enemy. We have allies, we have friends. If a third party threatens our friends we defend them, if you feel this is some kind of weakness exhibited by entities that have existed together thats your business.
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.28 08:38:00 - [170] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ? eh? ... please... confuse me with anybody but that bag of hot air.... /emote goes to sulk in a corner
PR0PAGANDA Gallente Raging Emo	Posted - 2007.12.28 16:34:00 - [171] if bob dies, and mc die, will they come back together and form another superpower of their own. Bob and mc have destroyed alot of alliances and corps and they seem to getting their own beatings now. But will they put aside this present time and regroup and start the pay back. Or will they never again be friends and fight for the rest of eve. I buy t2 building parts. Mail me offers.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.12.28 16:46:00 - [172] Originally by: ElrondMD I'll cut you some slack because its obvious your just bitter you werent allowed to roll into Hydra space and grief them for months without anyone getting in your way. Sounds to me like your the bitter one considering TI owned your uber alliance with a small gang, it must of given you a buzz to join up with pure/hydra and actualy manage to kill a couple of the 12 or so ships with your 150+ man blob. A bit embarressing though considering even with those odds you still got pwned and rarely got any kills. Stick to your policy of napping and blobbing to hold space bud theres always ppl on caod who will back you for it and consider you uber. Although they are those you nap and help or help you...............
Kelmantis The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.28 17:47:00 - [173] Please do not post spam - Navigator
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.28 18:51:00 - [174] So MC spammed 5 more towers on Christmas and has managed to save 0?
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.28 18:51:00 - [175] Edited by: Victor Vision on 28/12/2007 18:53:14 Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_- Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ? All this time I thought that Evil Thug was best buddies with Seleene. Haha. My opinion about this war is similar to Evil Thugs first reaction to tortuga. Hyennas ftl. BoB remains an enemy, but their decision to attack MC - despite the general tactical situation - has impressed me. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
amagonsan Minmatar Rising Force R i s e	Posted - 2007.12.28 19:18:00 - [176] Funny, everytime someone tries to praise MC about becomming independent and standing up to BoB.. Today I heard RA and Tortugans are actualy working together... so much for independance. Well the little respect i still had for MC just whent down the drain..Backstabbers...
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.28 19:24:00 - [177] Originally by: TrevorReznik So MC spammed 5 more towers on Christmas and has managed to save 0? Confirm, no MC towers currently standing in TPAR. Evoke still have one untouched though :iiam:
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.12.28 19:25:00 - [178] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ? yes.. More so RA and PL though.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.28 20:51:00 - [179] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk TWD is a noob, nafri obviously meant RSF when he said GBC -_- Dark Shikari's analysis fails horribly since neither GBC nor Coalition would be willing to work with MC Can you see RA, AAA, PL or IAC for that matter agreeing to be on same side as MC ? werent GBC = ragoons and stuff and Bob and co the "alliance"? but afterall, I didnt ***** coad for months <-- me noob Public Noobism
Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.28 21:02:00 - [180] Originally by: Nafri <-- me noob

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