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Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:06:00 - [391] Originally by: Danyael Tyren EvE end-game is about taking and holding 0.0 Space, and the ensuing conflicts. If your conditions for winning at EvE do not include that, you are losing. Pretending otherwise just makes you look sad and desperate. Pretending that you have perfectly engineered spectacular losses of vast swathes of space in order to make PvP more convenient for yourself is just silly and ridiculous. If you really wanted a fight, there were three different regions, stocked with former pets and infrastructure that would have gotten you precisely that. I will tell you what happened to BoB. Time passed them by. Goons went from the horde of T1 frig, bookmark bombing noobs, to a vast horde of Capitals, T2 Snipers, and nano-hac gangs, backed by the likes of RA/TCF. The writing is on the wall where anyone willing or able to look can see. Your response is totally a part of BoBs master plan. Originally by: Sergeant Spot --Did BoB "plan" to lose all its space? No, and it might not happen either, but even if it does, its still just a detail within a success
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:19:00 - [392] Originally by: TrevorReznik if you want good fights come try and kill goon online larges, something bob is hilariously bad at doing, even prior to the titan nerf but that might end up with losing a fight can't have that :(((( I dont think you get EVE.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:21:00 - [393] Originally by: Aneu Angellus You claim to have played goons, your the ones loosing space, you claim to be right where you want to be, yet internally your command staff have issued hushed orders to 'trusted' members to bring more of their alts into the alliance so that the drop in membership wouldnÆt be noticed. Aneu Lol, wtf is this? This is probably the single dumbest line in this whole thread (so far). I honestly don't know how you can even make this stuff up. Then again, I shouldn't be suprised. You're mr fake cap II bpo and mr missing moo battleship losses guy. Honestly, you should stick to posting with your alts as they have more credibility than your main does.
Martinez Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:25:00 - [394] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Martinez that is just goon running off at the mouth with their talking points. yes we know bob is dead, there are no real bob members left. anyone that joined after 2005 is a worthless wannabe. yeah yeah yeah we have heard it. Oddly though 4 out of 5 fights we loot the field no matter what the odds against us are. Truth hurts. Indeed it is true that BoB wins most of the fleet battles. I don't know if it is 80% or 70% or 90%. But they win by far more fleet battles than they lose. The really amazing thing is, that they still lose region after region despite these good numbers. Maybe the BoB HC should think about if they fight the right battles and not just some unimportant ones which maybe boost the morale and KBs but doesn't help on the grander scheme. Have you read any of this thread?
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:25:00 - [395] Originally by: Marmalade Joe Seeing Chowdown defend Bob's not (really) helping LV when it was collapsing itt is pretty funny. Yeah, isn't it funny? Almost like he set up his LV treason long before they actually fell. Just quietly moved his assets out, got the spare keys for the titan and stopped logging on for a while. "oops we got bandwagoned soz m8s don't worry we will roam freely without pos shackles and kill goons I promise just hang tite" steals titan joins BoB LV leadership was one of the most treasonous in game, they absolutely reamed their members (apart from finfleet). BoB knows this and none of them will get any serious leadership responsibilites.
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:31:00 - [396] Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: TrevorReznik if you want good fights come try and kill goon online larges, something bob is hilariously bad at doing, even prior to the titan nerf but that might end up with losing a fight can't have that :(((( I dont think you get EVE. bob does, thats why they had to lost 7 regions to get pvp, after all it was imposible to get it in one of those said regions.
eddie stobartian Minmatar Rogue Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:32:00 - [397] Just give BoB all there regions and stations back and go mine in empire... that should stick a rather large spanner in there grand plan
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:35:00 - [398] Reverse psychology doesn't always work.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:42:00 - [399] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: Chowdown Edited by: Chowdown on 03/01/2008 18:12:09 Originally by: Aneu Angellus Holy crap Hilarious GM statement I am what? Proof for any of these statements would be great You know exactly what im talking about The only thing worse than your posts is that sig. I bet your directors cringed the day you got unbanned.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:43:00 - [400] The ridiculous (and just incredibly bad) propaganda aside... I don't really care what BoB want, planned, or enjoy. I just want them wiped out and dead as an alliance and I want to be a part (though very small) of making that happen. That's my goal in Eve at the moment. I predict this thread will be useful for quotes for countless Goon "rubbing it in and kicking them when they're down" threads in CAOD once BoB have disbanded and evacuated to empire space though.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:48:00 - [401] I wonder if declaring "We're playing to lose" is such a great idea, for your allies and your alliance. The reason why BoB isn't bleeding members, yet, is because GBC's shrinking faster than you can say "failure cascade" and BoB's getting a few refugees from every alliance that bite the dust but now that BoB's been running out of allies completely, it might be somewhat different.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:48:00 - [402] Originally by: snerdly Goddamn, I go eat lunch and this thread jumps two pages... And you know what? No one has bothered to respond to my post. The only response I got was from Avon, and was rather idiotic, to be honest. I just want a response. If someone from BoB would respond rationally, I'd really appreciate it. My respect for you is at stake (OK, not really, I don't have any respect for you. I would appreciate it, though) Here, lemme quote. Originally by: snerdly Hi there BoB. I suppose that is has been established that there was some sort of plan. What sort of plan? Very simple. The extent of the plan, it seems, was to get a large percentage of EVE against BoB. That was the plan. The fact that is was predicted that BoB might have to fall back to Delve is irrelevant; that was realism talking. Your goal never was, and still is not, to fall back to Delve. Your goal was simply to get a large percentage of EVE against you. What was this 'plan'? Well, it wasn't much of anything actually... Just keep acting aggressive and keep saying things like 'we want to take over the universe'. IN other words, just keep being BoB. (And no, being arrogant pr1cks wasn't part of the plan. You' act like arrogant pr1cks because you are arrogant pr1cks) So, at the start of this war, your plan came to fruition. A large percentage of EVE was against you. You entered into the most epic fight EVE has ever seen. At this point, you did not know if you would win, or if you would lose. You did not know if you were end up defending your fortreses to the last, or smashing down the enemy's gates. You fought your hardest, and expected your allies to do the same. Turns out you're going to lose. So. We win, you lose. Nothing about this plan changes that fact. Nothing about this plan should change anything about the victory the coalition is achieving. Yes, you're rolling it out now as damage control. No, it doesn't matter. Yes, I am ***ed. Yes, I am still rational. Answer.* If you want answers to a real question, post with your main and I'll do my best to give you an answer. The fact that cowards like you hide behind alts is why CAOD has become utter crap. If you believe what you post, use your main not some craptastic alt.
Deathwings Oracle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:49:00 - [403] Why is it no one can believe that BoB wanted a fight like this But it's totally believable that MC has us right where they want us by having us in PB and not undocking to fight us
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:50:00 - [404] Edited by: snerdly on 03/01/2008 19:53:10 Originally by: Darkrydar If you want answers to a real question, post with your main and I'll do my best to give you an answer. The fact that cowards like you hide behind alts is why CAOD has become utter crap. If you believe what you post, use your main not some craptastic alt. That doesn't make any ***** sense. If the alt is posting rationally with a logical, reasoned question, how is he ting up CAOD? GJ avoiding the question though. (and if you must know, my main is in a noobcorp atm. Ergo, his posts would be removed.) Originally by:** Securion Wolfheart EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:55:00 - [405] Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve?
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:56:00 - [406] Originally by: Deathwings Oracle Why is it no one can believe that BoB wanted a fight like this But it's totally believable that MC has us right where they want us by having us in PB and not undocking to fight us if your diplomats were not complete prats you would not be camping in pb while querious and delve fall - why dont you come fight us if you just want fights we have not seen a stand up fight from bob since 9-9 by my memory
eddie stobartian Minmatar Rogue Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:58:00 - [407] Originally by: Darkrydar Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve? it does'nt matter what people think will happen..... you will just claim it was your plan to fold as discussed at a bbq in 2006!
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:59:00 - [408] Edited by: Hannobaal on 03/01/2008 19:59:28 Originally by: Deathwings Oracle Why is it no one can believe that BoB wanted a fight like this Well, aside from the ridiculous "we meant to lose almost all our space and have the vast majority of 0.0 alliances gather around to gang-*****our sorry asses back to empire, we really did" part, the part about "now we get a lot of good fights" kind of kills it. Anyone who has fought you guys knows better.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:59:00 - [409] Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: Darko1107 Edited by: Darko1107 on 03/01/2008 18:42:43 Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: Darko1107 Tbh, people who think that BoB didnt want this need only look at serenity steels outpost rankings. these have not been updated since goonswarm became the number 1 ranked alliance (2 weeks ago) Yeh i know Goons should be number 1 after BoB lost another bajillion stations, but you can still compare the unupdated pos/outpost levels to member levels. by killing off all of bobs pets we flooded them with the applications of said pets they have acccepted several - i am not sure what point you are trying to make My pt is that practically any other alliance in BoB's position would have lost alot of thier player base by now.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:01:00 - [410] Originally by: Darkrydar Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve? yes - but you will pull some sort of 'hahaha npc stations' card and your next move is to casually mention that freed from the shackles of owning space you will become our worst nightmares ask every other corp who has said that how that has worked out for them - one day fnln is going to own your alliance name
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:01:00 - [411] Originally by: snerdly That doesn't make any ***** sense. If the alt is posting rationally with a logical, reasoned question, how is he **ting up CAOD? Simple really, if you are afraid to stake your reputation on the words you write on some Internet spaceship forums your opinions, thoughts or questions are worthless. If you lack the courage of your convictions you don't deserve answers by those who do. I didn't avoid your question. I point blank said I won't converse on a serious level with a cowardly flame alt, created only to circumvent the rules of this forum.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:02:00 - [412] Originally by: snerdly Edited by: snerdly on 03/01/2008 19:53:10 Originally by: Darkrydar If you want answers to a real question, post with your main and I'll do my best to give you an answer. The fact that cowards like you hide behind alts is why CAOD has become utter crap. If you believe what you post, use your main not some craptastic alt. That doesn't make any ***** sense. If the alt is posting rationally with a logical, reasoned question, how is he *ting up CAOD? GJ avoiding the question though. (and if you must know, my main is in a noobcorp atm. Ergo, his posts would be removed.) snerdly, your post did get a response. Here it is. Written by Sergeant Spot of Black Eclipse Corp in the Band of Brothers. However, this response was found amusing by many. Including myself. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki*
Deathwings Oracle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:02:00 - [413] Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 03/01/2008 19:59:28 Originally by: Deathwings Oracle Why is it no one can believe that BoB wanted a fight like this Well, aside from the ridiculous "we meant to lose almost all our space and have the vast majority of 0.0 alliances gather around to gang-*****our sorry asses back to empire, we really did" part, the part about "now we get a lot of good fights" kind of kills it. Anyone who has fought you guys knows better. Can you answer the second half of my post now to pls? Or do you not have an answer for that
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:02:00 - [414] Originally by: Deathwings Oracle Why is it no one can believe that BoB wanted a fight like this But it's totally believable that MC has us right where they want us by having us in PB and not undocking to fight us 1. Nobody belieevs you've taken the region losses as lightly as you pretend. But then again EVERYONE which has lost a region always tries to play it down, hence even more unlikely. We all know you want to shoot things, but we also know how desperately you want to win and how hard your egos are hit when, amongst many others, goons who are terrible at Eve beat you. You couldn't possibly admit that, so you have to redefine the goals, shrug of the losses and pretend some other goal has been in your sights all along. Even when you were pos spamming and some poor directors had to anchor and fuel them all. Even when you bridged out pets and lost four freighters at a friendly pos under Shrike's nose. Even when you took cap losses. Even when you arranged for relocations to Fountain. Even when you pushed for Catch, then left MC hanging out to dry. Even when you cried on MC for finally backstabbing you. Even after all those horrible fractured plans of Molle to leave tasks half done and go ride bikes with some other foe. Sure. All part of the plan. Then when things change and you readapt, that was part of the plan too. You've been doing this "we're best so we're always correct" for over 2 years on these forums and the BS has offically been called forever. Posture if you will, but nobody believes you. Besides, most of your achievements are false anyway. 2. MC needs to step up though, not impressed by their efforts. I guess Tortuga refers to drawing yourself into a shell and staying there.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:03:00 - [415] Originally by: Darkrydar if you are afraid to stake your reputation on the words you write on some Internet spaceship forums your opinions, thoughts or questions are worthless. If you lack the courage of your convictions you don't deserve answers by those who do. MY REPUTATION god i love this thread
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:03:00 - [416] Originally by: Darkrydar Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve? No. But I do expect a large percentage of the alliance to leave. The numbers have been padded quite a bit by people who want to be in bob just so they can own people. Once omnipotence itself is diminished...then I expect they'll be back to a core group of members who actually like a challenge. They'll retreat to empire, wait for the coalition to fall apart, and then strike out against some crappy 0.0 alliance and regain some space. Then perhaps the cycle will begin again. But that'll take a while.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:03:00 - [417] Originally by: eddie stobartian Originally by: Darkrydar Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve? it does'nt matter what people think will happen..... you will just claim it was your plan to fold as discussed at a bbq in 2006! Couldn't even post that with a real character?
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:05:00 - [418] Originally by: Darkrydar Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve? Yes. When you strip away the massive territory and megalomaniacal style from BoB you're left with just another unhappy bunch of guys flying gangs of 20 faction fit vagabonds around low-sec looking for ratting brutixes. But you folks just keep on telling yourselves whatever it is you need to, I'll see you in Amamake!
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:05:00 - [419] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Darkrydar Honest question: Does anyone expect BOB to fold even if you take all the stations in Delve? No. But I do expect a large percentage of the alliance to leave. The numbers have been padded quite a bit by people who want to be in bob just so they can own people. Once omnipotence itself is diminished...then I expect they'll be back to a core group of members who actually like a challenge. I thought we we're already losing, so wouldn't these people be leaving or not logging in?
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:06:00 - [420] Edited by: Hannobaal on 03/01/2008 20:07:38 Originally by: Deathwings Oracle Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 03/01/2008 19:59:28 Originally by: Deathwings Oracle Why is it no one can believe that BoB wanted a fight like this Well, aside from the ridiculous "we meant to lose almost all our space and have the vast majority of 0.0 alliances gather around to gang-*****our sorry asses back to empire, we really did" part, the part about "now we get a lot of good fights" kind of kills it. Anyone who has fought you guys knows better. Can you answer the second half of my post now to pls? Or do you not have an answer for that You mean how your alliance leader has, for reasons of silly pride, concentrated your efforts on the absolutely least strategically important of the 4 fronts, thus allowing for the other fronts to collapse (including your last remaining reasonably sizable ally) which will eventually force you back into Delve to defend your last remaing space and render any and all gains you manage to make in Period Basis completely meaningless?

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