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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:08:00 -
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Oh boy, are we getting desperate now? It is talking about UK sales on one chart at one retailer but "they don't have exact figures"
Go to bed Tyran, you are like not even trying anymore...
PS: Mass Effect 3 was not even being sold in GAME's shops. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:11:00 -
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Lord Mandelor wrote:The F2P weekend is going to be amazing. "The ship isn't sinking! My side just rose up 200 feet!"
I guess they are trying out the waters for when it goes full F2P? |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:00:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Oh boy, are we getting desperate now? It is talking about UK sales on one chart at one retailer but "they don't have exact figures" Go to bed Tyran, you are like not even trying anymore... PS: Mass Effect 3 was not even being sold in GAME's shops.
Not desperate at all, facts are facts. Data collected by a reliable source>your blinkered opinion. Face it ME3 sold like hot cakes, all the sales figures, analysis of global distribution and sales all support that fact.
Remember,
Fact>subjective opinion
You can reply with a weak Ad hominem and support the facts I linked with sources with your failure, or you can try and defeat the argument with some facts of your own.
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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:30:00 -
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facts, right, you supply me with bullshit then dress it up as a fact.
In that case, enjoy this fact!
SWTOR going F2P already lol |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:49:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:facts, right, you supply me with bullshit then dress it up as a fact.
In that case, enjoy this fact!
SWTOR going F2P already lol
I couldn't care less about SWTOR, I don't play carebear themepark MMOs.
I just enjoy correcting your hate inspired rhetoric about ME3, sure the game isn't what people expected but sales wise its an enormous success. Oh and stick this in your pipe and smoke it,
Kingdoms of Amalur is also a success, its a new IP yet its approaching 500,000 sales. On Saturday it sold 330k copies and took 4th place on the US sales chart for February. Media attention and positive reviews means it is still selling.
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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:56:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:"I couldn't care less about SWTOR..."
Oh, really?
/posted in thread "SWToR Just hit the iceberg=Tortanic!" |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:27:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:"I couldn't care less about SWTOR..." Oh, really? /posted in thread "SWToR Just hit the iceberg=Tortanic!"
Selective quoting at its finest, you derailed the thread with your rant about ME3. Nice to see how you conceded the argument and resorted to ad hominem & bullshit.
Live feed from 2bhammered webcam |
Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
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Posted - 2012.03.15 03:55:00 -
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2bhammered wrote: How do you survive in today's society?
Just like i did back in the 80's and 90's.
My two questions though, are still unanswered (reminder in case you want to answer them).
For the rest, I didn't want and i wont get involved in any cheap media discussion. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2012.03.15 04:19:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2012.03.15 04:21:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:Oh boy, are we getting desperate now? It is talking about UK sales on one chart at one retailer but "they don't have exact figures" Go to bed Tyran, you are like not even trying anymore... PS: Mass Effect 3 was not even being sold in GAME's shops.
That's because GAME's shops are on the brink of complete and total failure, not because Mass Effect 3 is a bad game. Or in other words, GAME isn't refusing to sell Mass Effect 3 - EA (and many other suppliers) are refusing to do business with GAME. GAME's shares dropped 66 percent a few days ago because of this. |
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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:05:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:2bhammered wrote:Oh boy, are we getting desperate now? It is talking about UK sales on one chart at one retailer but "they don't have exact figures" Go to bed Tyran, you are like not even trying anymore... PS: Mass Effect 3 was not even being sold in GAME's shops. That's because GAME's shops are on the brink of complete and total failure, not because Mass Effect 3 is a bad game. Or in other words, GAME isn't refusing to sell Mass Effect 3 - EA (and many other suppliers) are refusing to do business with GAME. GAME's shares dropped 66 percent a few days ago because of this.
My point is, if the biggest retail store is not stocking your game it will be quite difficult to sell it. Fact is GAME was UK's biggest game retailer, again there is no data whatsoever other than the bullshit Tyran linked to that says otherwise.
ME3 has so far not sold more copies than ME1, it is also not on STEAM like ME1 was. Until hard data changes that, ME3 is the worst selling ME game.
But thanks for your insight into GAME's financials, trust me I was already aware of them. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:07:00 -
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Zeomebuch Nova wrote:2bhammered wrote: How do you survive in today's society?
Just like i did back in the 80's and 90's. My two questions though, are still unanswered (reminder in case you want to answer them). For the rest, I didn't want and i wont get involved in any cheap media discussion.
No, your questions were answered, in the first post starting this thread, the OP. Even a nice EVE citizen pointed that out to you, by the way, you were born in the 90's? |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:12:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:2bhammered wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:"I couldn't care less about SWTOR..." Oh, really? /posted in thread "SWToR Just hit the iceberg=Tortanic!" Selective quoting at its finest, you derailed the thread with your rant about ME3. Nice to see how you conceded the argument and resorted to ad hominem & bullshit. Live feed from 2bhammered webcam
Selective? You did say what I quoted, even in the context and out of context it had that meaning, that you indeed care so much that you have been posting in this thread since its inception
Thanks for using the same picture twice to try and diss me, nice picture too, think I first saw it on 4chan 5 years ago
Now with so much excitement I can barely contain myself, I have to admit I am most intrigued to see what you will come up with next! |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:41:00 -
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Still not figured out how the how edit button works huh? Your shiptoasting always seems to start at the weekend, they must let you off the shortbus then.
P.S.
The data's been posted, face it you are wrong. So suck it up and come up with another dead horse to flog.
P.P.S
4 chan, that explains a lot. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:54:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Still not figured out how the how edit button works huh? Your shiptoasting always seems to start at the weekend, they must let you off the shortbus then.
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote: P.S.
The data's been posted, face it you are wrong. So suck it up and come up with another dead horse to flog.
No you posted no data, you still have yet to post any data at all. I checked your link, it contained ZERO data.
Jhagiti Tyran wrote: P.P.S
4 chan, that explains a lot.
Explains what exactly? I enjoy 4chan sometimes, I guess you do not?
Anyway, last data by Bioware themselves still only talk about the 3+ million shipped units, so until they sell all those it is not even beating mass effect 1. But again, I doubt it will ever sell that much, ME2 sold 2.1 million, estimates of ME3 are at 1.9 million. Sure it can surpass ME2 but ME1 was at 2.5 so quite a bit to go, even if they do sell 3 million I doubt it would make up for all overhead and other expenses, at best direct costs and R&D.
ME2 by the way got a position 39 at console charts software sales of 2010. Games like Fable 3, just dance and Wii party beat it by a landslide, Wii fit + killed it and even Halo reach sold more than 3 times as much.
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=168725 it will only get worse now that they have released their 2 biggest investments.
Anyway, I look yet again forward to your new pathetic attempt at trolling. I suppose it matters a lot to you that ME3 should be a success, it isn't and you think it is because EA and Bioware said so, that is the nature of PR you see. |
Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:05:00 -
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The "investor" is back lol. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:36:00 -
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So where they at now?
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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:42:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:So where they at now?
http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends
Dead?! |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:31:00 -
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Kinda obsessed? Like into the way too much zone... According to those total population peak between all servers on any given day is nearly 300kish? Which an MMO population declining way after release is quite normal. And then leveling out.
Matter of fact most pay MMO's have seen a decline in sub numbers in the last 1-2 years. Even eve. Could be that people are just tired of the model and gameplay. Also take into consideration of time of year v. sales, and subs.
SWOTOR anit going to be the end all be all, but only fools/fanbois thought that... Also people that didnt read the previews before its release. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:57:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:Kinda obsessed? Like into the way too much zone... According to those total population peak between all servers on any given day is nearly 300kish? Which an MMO population declining way after release is quite normal. And then leveling out.
Matter of fact most pay MMO's have seen a decline in sub numbers in the last 1-2 years. Even eve. Could be that people are just tired of the model and gameplay. Also take into consideration of time of year v. sales, and subs.
SWOTOR anit going to be the end all be all, but only fools/fanbois thought that... Also people that didnt read the previews before its release.
"Into the way too much zone"!
Peak is not 300k, in fact, no one but EA knows the number behind light, standard and heavy etc. We can only speculate and by my own attempts at that I reach 150k-200k on a weekend.
EA themselves before release have stated that in order to make profit they need 1 million subscribers, 500k to possibly break even according to another quote over a period of at least a year. Which makes sense take all things into account like paying 35% of all profit to Lucas Arts, opening new studio, staff, outsourcing, estimates of 300 million USD R&D and operating costs etc.
Has many MMO games seen a decline in general? They sure have, After Tera no major MMORPG will be released with a subscription model we are all so used to. I believe THQ announced this week they have even changed their upcoming Warhammer 40k MMO to be a singleplayer game with multi-player options and DLC.
As for believing the game was going to be end all be all or the very least end of WoW a lot of people believed that. You say people did not read previews? Hardly, even every single review was favorable, almost every single gaming publication, mainstream publication and website gave that game top scores. Which just shows how broken gaming journalism is or more like the fact that they are just a part of the publishers PR division. But that is another discussion altogether about how even Metacritic, owned by CBS interactive and, let's leave it at that
Also the fact that it was the most expensive MMORPG developed since WoW and it was made by Bioware (who at the time was at least a respected developer) with EA second? worlds biggest video-game publisher. At least we all thought the game would be playable, but of course Warhammer Online should have been enough of a warning sign.
SWTOR is dead and obsessed or not what we can look forward to next will be a Mass Effect MMORPG and hype. All one can hope is that people remember the saying, "fool me once shame on you and fool me twice shame on me". But then again, EA has managed to survive since the 80's... |
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:04:00 -
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How is this thread still on the front page? We KNOW 2bhammered is a troll, and we KNOW how MMO population works.
Hell I'm playing City of Heroes again, which would give it's left super-nutt for a percentage point of SWTOR's population, and it's still not 'dead' by any means. I can log on and get a group any time I want, even at the odd hours I play.
Let 2bhammered have the last word and let her stupid thread die. *Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar* -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:16:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:/page
How is this thread still on the front page? We KNOW 2bhammered is a troll, and we KNOW how MMO population works.
Hell I'm playing City of Heroes again, which would give it's left super-nutt for a percentage point of SWTOR's population, and it's still not 'dead' by any means. I can log on and get a group any time I want, even at the odd hours I play.
Let 2bhammered have the last word and let her stupid thread die.
/thread
"Naddist Rebels are both sitting at ~2 people online."
"Fatman Hutta/Korriban are both sitting at ~29 people online."
"I'm on Kain-Kan (EU)
There are 7 ppl online at the moment"
"On nadds sarcophagus I have 3 rep's 1 imp"
These are quotes on the official swtor site taken in a matter of seconds.
You mention city of heroes? That is a game that went F2P am I right due to its failure as a subscription based game? SWTOR can go F2P as well but even doing so it will never be able to make a return on its investment.
As for why this is still on the front page? Well, don't blame me, you yourself just bumped it did you not?
I think the reason you get so angry and lash out at me and undoubtedly others pointing out the fact that SWTOR is dead on every single social media is because you are still playing it. You are acting out due to your emotional investment into the game and brand.
It is the definition of a fan, fanatic and it is not pretty to look at.
PS: I'm not the troll here
"WoW has had close to ten years of development, so you're not competing with brown-box WoW," explained Brack. "You're competing with WoW today, which has a Dungeon Finder, now it has a Raid Finder, and soon will have scenarios. It's got all these other features for helping matchmaker and group and have battlegrounds and all this stuff that didn't exist on day one, but now it's hard to imagine the game without it. Going back and trying to form a group by talking in various party chats to get the group together in Star Wars feels very retro and very painful these days."
From Blizzard with love on the first page of swtor.com forums. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:46:00 -
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I never played it... I just wonder the obsession with the desire for it to "fail" or not succeed... Once again I don't care how a game I don't play success impacts me in the least bit. There's an honest curiosity on your infatuation.
Seriously I don't get it...
I don't know about the numbers, but I did read a few weeks ago released sub numbers, and profitability. Given it's a public company it would be illegal to fudge those. I mean you released the website showing the graphs of # of players on total servers per day then tell me those are inaccurate.... Well why the hell did you link them in the first place?
Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But I doubt EA would lie on a quarterly report...(illegal) and i'm only going off the numbers you yourself linked.
And I did read previews on IGN, gamespy, gamespot. That stated to the effect: "it's your standard MMO with a starwars theme. It's not bad, but it's not new."
Perhaps we read different sites, but they did have more than 1 preview on each stating as much... Which is why I never looked to buy or play it. I already have/did. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:18:00 -
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Kattshiro wrote:I never played it... I just wonder the obsession with the desire for it to "fail" or not succeed... Once again I don't care how a game I don't play success impacts me in the least bit. There's an honest curiosity on your infatuation.
Seriously I don't get it...
I don't know about the numbers, but I did read a few weeks ago released sub numbers, and profitability. Given it's a public company it would be illegal to fudge those. I mean you released the website showing the graphs of # of players on total servers per day then tell me those are inaccurate.... Well why the hell did you link them in the first place?
Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But I doubt EA would lie on a quarterly report...(illegal) and i'm only going off the numbers you yourself linked.
And I did read previews on IGN, gamespy, gamespot. That stated to the effect: "it's your standard MMO with a starwars theme. It's not bad, but it's not new."
Perhaps we read different sites, but they did have more than 1 preview on each stating as much... Which is why I never looked to buy or play it. I already have/did.
A few weeks ago? Those numbers are from end of previous quarter and does not extend after first month. Perhaps you read someone quoting old figures or the ones they stated during the guild convention which turned out to be same data quoted again but this time for fans. That is not illegal.
The website I gave you covers trends in status of servers, light, standard or heavy etc. So they are correct in terms of showing that, then we can only speculate how many people does "light/green" mean. A light can have 1 person or it can have 100. We know at launch 1.7 million people made accounts, then we can look at server stats then and now.
I know when I played the game first month at launch my server saying very heavy/full never had more than 2000 players. Today that server is light.
EA did not "lie" in their report, they said the number of sold meaning shipped copies and accounts created 1.7 million. They also admitted "some" are still in their free month and that "most" have payed for another month of subscription. That is what companies do, feel free to define those terms legally, for the record, they made exactly same statements about Warhammer Online and it turned out "most" meant 300k out of 1,5 million I believe. PR is PR, when EA say they have sold 3,4 million copies of Mass Effect it means shipped and we could discuss this for hours but needless to say, they have not broken any laws in USA or no one is willing to sue them or file charges and if you read their statements again I am sure you can spot the BS.
If their numbers were as good as their PR releases their shares would not be dropping the way they are. EA even pulled a THQ and are now cutting back on amount of games they are developing and publishing by a great amount.
As for previews, yet again, you would be amazed to know that IGN works indirectly with EA and Bioware? Actually they even went as far as helping to make a "fan video" for the game, what was their review score I am curious. But I digress, IGN is owned by News Corp and so forth...
Please give me a link or 2of these previews linked with their final review. Use metacritic if you want and find me an example, I would love to see it.
In any case, a lot of people me included knew it would be close or even exactly the same as WoW but in space and Star Wars. What we did not know was that it would be broken, terrible and worse than WoW 5 years ago. Most of us were in for a shock when we saw a game of this magnitude in such a terrible state after all that money and time spent making it.
I do go into a lot greater detail about the numbers and issues with SWTOR in this thread and what I just said now to answer your questions is something I have restated several times in this thread but I see that it never gets old questioning this.
I welcome your reply, but as for your obsessions with wondering about the obsession about the state of SWTOR... I welcome you to first read my OP and the disclaimer, I also recommend to always read an OP in threads you comment on. Perhaps make a new thread and ask the question about peoples obsessional interest about games success or failures. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:29:00 -
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You want me to link a preview that said swotor was nothing special? From a website you claim works for EA? That doesn't make your point...Rather the opposite.
Here's the gist. http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/index_articles.html
Some IGN linked in there as well. |
2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:37:00 -
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http://pc.ign.com/objects/816/816935.html
9.0 editors choice award
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/1215744p2.html
TOR MMORPG of the year award 4/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppn89Nc29PQ
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Electronic+Arts+Announces+Agreement+to+Acquire+News+Corp.+Online+Game...-a057743298
"We're excited to be a strategic partner in Electronic Arts' new online endeavor," said James Murdoch, Executive Vice President of News Corporation. "We're confident the development strengths of Kesmai will greatly contribute to EA's future as a leader in the online entertainment market."
which is a small part of their collaboration in investments.
This is not illegal, it is how business works. Same thing with metacritic and gameranking being owned by CBS interactive subsidiary of CBS corporation that also owns gamespot, giantbomb and a lotof other sites.
News Corp owns IGN, gamespy, 1up and a ton of other websites and publications not to mention Fox. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:31:00 -
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http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6752/1326091391143.jpg found this amusing.
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:01:00 -
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I said previews not reviews. Somewhere in that stack I remember various editors saying it's the same ole song and dance...just polished.
Read some of the actual content of those reviews and they same the same as well. Which is why if you listen to podcasts done by those same site the reviews say they hate scores...because people don't equate the substance with them. (They also say on the podcasts...some of which were really funny that swotor was nothing new.)
Also reviews are just opinions... not facts. They also may not experience the bugs. I know I bought a total war game and it was ****** up. The reviewers came out with a later article saying im sorry but we didn't experience those bugs. Which truth be told can happen on PC given the hardware diff.
But eh good luck to swotor rails MMO's aren't my thing. |
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
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Posted - 2012.06.13 01:20:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:/page
How is this thread still on the front page? We KNOW 2bhammered is a troll, and we KNOW how MMO population works.
Hell I'm playing City of Heroes again, which would give it's left super-nutt for a percentage point of SWTOR's population, and it's still not 'dead' by any means. I can log on and get a group any time I want, even at the odd hours I play.
Let 2bhammered have the last word and let her stupid thread die.
But City of Heroes was actually a decent game. SWTOR is a less enjoyable World of Warcraft with less content and lightsabers. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.06.13 05:55:00 -
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I don't think games just die. Even Unreal Tournament which is very old, still has some servers up and running. |
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