But really what defines failure in an MMO? I'd say if it's still running and earning money even if it has a low player base.

I also read that EA lied about their figures like they did with warhammer online.

It seem that the 2 million sold copies were to retail and the 1.7 million subs was at end of December and that the only real data provided by EA as to how many play the game is that "Most" people still play

Why do you care so much if a game succeeds or doesnt if you dont play it?

Also aren't you the guy that lauded it before it's release, and people proclaimed that it wasn't anything new or special rather new with a star wars twist, and voice acting? You then fervently disagreed and told us how wrong we were?

Read last week that sales figures put it at 1.5 millionish. Didnt say active subs, but given that many bought the what? 200 dollar uber peuter box set, and regular 60 price tag. I dunno if i'd call that a total failure. (sales figures are reported by retailers).

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/ea-reveals-swtor-subscription-and-sales-numbers-beats-financial/

Kinda funny that many want to see other games fail... MMO wise or we put so much stock in subscription numbers rise and fall. It's also funny that numbers are relative to the specific game so EVE = 300kish == success. (8years) (I dont disagree) AOC 150ksih a few years == total failure. Rift 500kish started out with 1 millionish == semi failure.

What would be interesting is to see how many total have subbed for eve over it's life time v. the number of subscribers now.
People make such a big deal over initial sales volume v. current subs. I would argue this is very normal as many are just trying it out or move on to other things. Much is the same of single player games or instanced MMO's (FPS) most people dont just stick around with 1 until its end of days.
Many MMO players only seem to play 1 game and one game only (I dont understand this or do this, but whatever) So their belief is because of this a game == failure.

But really what defines failure in an MMO? I'd say if it's still running and earning money even if it has a low player base.

SWTOR cost 300+ million to make

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/01/us-electronicarts-idUSTRE8102ED20120201

Looks like they are reporting the same. 2 mil copies sold, 1.7 accounts retained.

One thing worries me about that accounts retained number: I seem to recall reading that even though purchased copies of the game came with 30 days of play time, you had to sign up for a subscription to be able to USE the full 30 days; they wouldn't let you keep playing past a certain point without the subscription already locked in. Did they change their minds because of outcry? Or is there the possibility that they're quoting numbers that are going to drastically drop as people unsubscribe as soon as the free 30 days are over?

Ehm, the European Servers are all at standard population at 5 pm, so before primetime. That is not really bad...
Of course the servers were full in the first month after release, because... well... it was the first month.

I think you are pretty much overinterpreting.

Why do you care so much if a game succeeds or doesnt if you dont play it?

Also aren't you the guy that lauded it before it's release, and people proclaimed that it wasn't anything new or special rather new with a star wars twist, and voice acting? You then fervently disagreed and told us how wrong we were?

Read last week that sales figures put it at 1.5 millionish. Didnt say active subs, but given that many bought the what? 200 dollar uber peuter box set, and regular 60 price tag. I dunno if i'd call that a total failure. (sales figures are reported by retailers).

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/ea-reveals-swtor-subscription-and-sales-numbers-beats-financial/

Kinda funny that many want to see other games fail... MMO wise or we put so much stock in subscription numbers rise and fall. It's also funny that numbers are relative to the specific game so EVE = 300kish == success. (8years) (I dont disagree) AOC 150ksih a few years == total failure. Rift 500kish started out with 1 millionish == semi failure.

What would be interesting is to see how many total have subbed for eve over it's life time v. the number of subscribers now.
People make such a big deal over initial sales volume v. current subs. I would argue this is very normal as many are just trying it out or move on to other things. Much is the same of single player games or instanced MMO's (FPS) most people dont just stick around with 1 until its end of days.
Many MMO players only seem to play 1 game and one game only (I dont understand this or do this, but whatever) So their belief is because of this a game == failure.

But really what defines failure in an MMO? I'd say if it's still running and earning money even if it has a low player base.

Ehm, the European Servers are all at standard population at 5 pm, so before primetime. That is not really bad...
Of course the servers were full in the first month after release, because... well... it was the first month.

I think you are pretty much overinterpreting.

Are you ******* kidding me?

Oh wait, must have been all those stupid cinematic videos they put up to hype everything.

^ haters gonna hate, etc etc. Also, last night, US primetime, the US servers were all at heavy and standard load. not a single light population server. A couple were full.

Great, I left the Rift forums because their off topic section was loaded with these exact same **** threads and now I have to see it here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/01/us-electronicarts-idUSTRE8102ED20120201

Looks like they are reporting the same. 2 mil copies sold, 1.7 accounts retained. That tells me that <1.7 million people are enjoying the game (taking into account multiple account users), just as around 100k people are enjoying WAR and 70K are playing AOC.

Kattshiro asked a really good question, why do you care so much about this if you don't even play the game? Seriously, it's just a game, one of many. Don't like it, try something else.




I like how this number keeps going up each time I see it.

MMO's can take 5 years to make and go through basic testing.
assuming they have 300 people working on the project getting 50k a year
300
x 50
x 5
that right there is 75million, i'm sure most people got paid more then that.

i'm sure EA or lucas arts or god knows who wants a cut.

advertising cost a lot

servers.

The 30 days has come and gone my friend. We're coming up on the 3 month mark when we usually see another natural drop in subscriptions. We'll see it again at 6 months.

But to answer your question, DAOC used this same method as well but all you have to do is sub up to start the game time then immediately unsub. No money lost. And no, EA was not hiding the cancel subscription button.

If you open identical page in two tabs in a browser you can copy and paste between them, that way you can consolidate the text and enter bbcode manually. This allows somebody to quote several people in a single post.

Much tidier than quadruple posting.

I am wondering if the marketing people at EA did not grossly underestimate the saturation in this market, especially the theme parks that dominates the genre.

I doubt that they lied, not only where those figures externally verified lying in official stockholder finical reports is punished by prosecution. So during the time period those statistics refer to they are completely accurate.

This IS a discussion forum, not just "lets spam my own thread" :P

Also, we get it: you don't like it (neither do I), lets leave it at that.

*snip, sorry needed more "characters" .

MMO's can take 5 years to make and go through basic testing.
assuming they have 300 people working on the project getting 50k a year
300
x 50
x 5
that right there is 75million, i'm sure most people got paid more then that.

i'm sure EA or lucas arts or god knows who wants a cut.

advertising cost a lot

servers.

Oh yeah, the amount of people involved in that daft project was probably ridiculous ( and possibly a reason why it's failing ) one thing a lot of people just don't understand though is how much time you have to put into those cinematic trailers to make them look as good as they do. It honestly takes a good number of months because of all the detail, if they had spent that much time and resources working on the game it might have MIGHT have been better but unfortunately it seems these days stupid cinematic trailers lure gullible people in more than a solid product do.

CCP are equally as guilty on this, I think their crucible trailer was the only honest trailer I've seen from them so far because it was just gameplay footage and nothing else.

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They did not lie, you just did not comprehend their meaning and you also read it out of context. Also the use of the word "MOST" is not something you can prosecute someone over especially when "MOST" are on their free subscription. People like myself make millions of reading between the lines and knowing how things work not to mention read it all in context. Nope they did not lie, nor did the reuters and other media.

Here is how you SHOULD read it, 2 million sales to retail,1.7 million subscriptions including free month as of december 31, currently "most" are still subscribed as of...

You're welcome, oh and they did the same with Warhammer Online and other titles as have others in the industry. Well except Blizzard who at the same time released exact figure of number of subscribers, I wonder why they use numbers and not words like "Most".

The problem is noone seems to have bothered to check the financial statements themselves, that would answer the question once and for all. Income from the sales of the game (and thus the 30 days) and the income from subscription fees would have to be listed separately.

Wading through all the verbiage in the reports isn't something I can be bothered with because I don't care about how many people are playing SWToR. Anyone who cares enough though should really do it though because it will end the speculation.

Of course it seems more about trolling and smacking a game that people individually dislike than any real discussion about how well the game is doing.

The top 4 threads on SWToR forum

http://i.imgur.com/DIIFp.png

So much entertainment value. I almost wish they had tricked me so I could participate

Oh yeah, the amount of people involved in that daft project was probably ridiculous ( and possibly a reason why it's failing ) one thing a lot of people just don't understand though is how much time you have to put into those cinematic trailers to make them look as good as they do. It honestly takes a good number of months because of all the detail, if they had spent that much time and resources working on the game it might have MIGHT have been better but unfortunately it seems these days stupid cinematic trailers lure gullible people in more than a solid product do.

CCP are equally as guilty on this, I think their crucible trailer was the only honest trailer I've seen from them so far because it was just gameplay footage and nothing else.

Want real discussion? Look at my posts in this thread, now come back and tell me I did not post anything "real" here.

Peace!

You know companies now all (maybe not blizzard im not sure dont quote me) hire someone else to make the videos/cinematics right?

As for the they didnt do anything new argument... They never said they were going to. (Which is why the consumer does in fact need to do their own research prior to buying a product.) And im not sure every game that comes out needs to be a revolution.
I do agree 3rd person MMO's are kinda "****** out" in terms of gameplay and mechanics. But really it seems enough people dont honestly mind and are rather happy with iteration instead of revolution. Fact of the matter is revolution is a rarity.

I dont think it's a failure rather not a game made with you and I in mind. Only difference is i read previews ahead of time to know not to buy it, and didnt have the OMG STAR WARS!!! moment that clouded my judgement. However I did have that with warhammer so i'm not proclaiming im better than you or smarter...rather just had the experience sooner.

This is why im skeptical of GW2 and its promises. (Though there is no sub for it) but I expect iteration once again rather than OMG the MMO SAVIORS!

I dont think it's a failure rather not a game made with you and I in mind. Only difference is i read previews ahead of time to know not to buy it, and didnt have the OMG STAR WARS!!! moment that clouded my judgement. However I did have that with warhammer so i'm not proclaiming im better than you or smarter...rather just had the experience sooner.

This is why im skeptical of GW2 and its promises. (Though there is no sub for it) but I expect iteration once again rather than OMG the MMO SAVIORS!

Your opinions and speculation on what the numbers mean isnt "real" in the sense that its just subjective.

That is simply not true at all, I know since I checked and at 2am eastern they were all light in both US and EU.

By the way, "haters gonna hate" is the most common phrase used by Biodrones on the internet, that and WoW had problems at launch 2004

Not saying you are one but

Feel free to check xFire if you want server stats.

And again that is all what you offer to this thread, contradiction. Have a good day sir!

Oh and the numbers are real for the record as are their meaning, you keep saying otherwise but you are wrong, plain and simple.

I have put your problem in bold, underlined italics. 2 am est? I'm sleeping at that point as are most reasonable people, I imagine. US primetime check at like 7-9pm est, on a saturday.

That's usually a pretty big tactic among naysayers. I saw people pulling that stunt with Rift as well.

I checked Eve's population status at 6 am EST the other morning, and nobody was on!

Your reading comprehension needs some work, where in that post did I leave any contradiction? All I did was make it clear that a subjective opinion is something very different to a fact.

Obviously that didn't sink so let me try to make it clear with an example.

A fact would be,

Star Wars: The old Republic is a game.

A subjective opinion would be,

Star Wars: The old Republic is a good/bad game.

Now I have explained that lets go a little further. Listing the officially verified and published subscription figures is using a fact. Taking the officially verified and published subscription figures along with a very tightly sampled server population statistic and applying an analysis to them is subjective opinion.

That's usually a pretty big tactic among naysayers. I saw people pulling that stunt with Rift as well.

I checked Eve's population status at 6 am EST the other morning, and nobody was on!

I have put your problem in bold, underlined italics. 2 am est? I'm sleeping at that point as are most reasonable people, I imagine. US primetime check at like 7-9pm est, on a saturday.

So EVE Just hit the iceberg=Evetanic!?

By the way, look at the number of people logged in to play SWToR DURING peak times at this weekend as of now, worst since launch.

Also you replied at my post about all servers showing status being light at 2am eastern time, but you did not realize that the number was for the whole world and there is a thing called time-zones.

Oh and I laughed at the joke about zero players being online in EvE Online at certain hours, if you didn't know let me break the news to you now, EvE Online server never has zero players online except during maintenance

, did I hurt your feelings now? Or did you think everyone playing SWToR and EvE Online are from USA and USA only?

What is even more funny is while all servers on SWToR were light/empty EvE Online had more players online one a single server, kind of bad for the next WoW killer wouldn't you agree?

Here he goes again.

No, here YOU go again


You don't say! Let me guess, drops are noticeable at 1 month, 3 month, and 6 month intervals amirite?

WoW killer and popular MMORPG based on monthly subscriptions=decline in the first month!

I didn't, I responded to the person who responded to you. But you said very specifically 4 am EST for US and EU servers. Now 4 am makes it roughly 9 am to about 1 pm for the EU, when people are generally working. Prime time at 4 am EST is in the Asia Pacific. Yes I do know timezones, I deal with them often.


Your reply was at my post, I "VERY SPECIFICALLY" said 2am EST, not 4am, L2R=Learn to read, eureka. WoW, eve, rift and other MMORPGs all have servers above light/empty at those hours still to this day.


YOU DON'T SAY!!!!!


If you can't pick up sarcasm by now I suggest you quit the internet


Yep, I are learn in school that USA won world in WW2. We own everything.


Ok.


This is why no fucks are given to the rants presented in this thread. All the tell-tale lingo is there. Wow-Killa, Tortanic, Game is dying, droves leavings, like wow, blah blah blah. This is like Deja Vu except with a different game title each time. I'm already seeing this for GW:2 and it's technically not even an mmo, at least not in the standard payment sense.



No "fucks"? You accuse me of tell-tale lingo but I presented my argument with facts throughout my thread and having a good laugh at the game and community that tells itself that it has won the market and even killed EvE Online on top of ending WoW's 7+ year winning streak with one of the worst made AAA games in the last decade and is possibly and most likely the biggest failure in video gaming history financially and in popularity.

I also like to make a point that, GW2 is an MMORPG, I think you failed at understanding the definition of an MMO. I hope you will take this opportunity to learn what the definition is and everything else I have told you in this thread. Or, ignorance is bliss

You did it again, made a contradiction while offering nothing to the topic at hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c




Whatever your reason is for contradicting me I hope you realize, when it hits you how bad SWToR has failed, that I ended up teaching you several things and you will learn from that and not remain ignorant.

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Again, who cares what the other game is doing? I don't give a **** what its doing, just like I don't give a **** about the status of many other mmo's.

So why are you so butthurt about ToR? Are you mad because you paid for a game you didn't like? Are you mad because other people like it when you did not and now you want to justify your dislike by seeing the game perform poorly? Perhaps its because the game is in competition with a game you like?

Did George Lucas ruin your life with the Phantom Menace? Where you on the SWG team at SOE and got sacked after it closed just before the release of ToR?

I am not trolling I am genuinely interested, the population of the game (or the game itself) doesn't interest me but I am really curious about what's causing you and all of the others to rampage all over the internet spamming about how ToR is dying, dead sucks and all other kinds of hyperbole.

Its almost pathological, the only other thing people seem so fervent about is "WAKE UP SHEEPLE 9/11 WAS INSIDE JOB!!!111!!". I am curious about what is causing it.

I like how this number keeps going up each time I see it.

THIS. First it was 80 million, then it was 150 million. Next it jumped to 200 million, and now we see it has reached the 300 million mark.

Wow, geniuses. Before long, Bioware will be its own country and have its own government and budget at this rate if it can fork out 300 million dollars to develop games. Imagine how rich they'll be in ten years! They'll be able to join the UN and maybe even become a part of NATO and develop its own military made up of gamers who have never fired a weapon in their life but can play BF3 really well.

GET OFF MY INTERNET.

I don't see the big deal. Are you that big of a pathetic nerd as to actually be ELITIST about an internet science fiction role playing video game? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!

Forever alone = you

Calm down, relax and take your medication

You guys heard it here first. Two hundred and sixteen servers filled with players enjoying the game is fail (Keyword!).

You seem to care a lot about this thread

I enjoy pointing out fallacies in idiotic logic, it's a side hobby of mine.

You are the only one here saying "stupid ****" simply because it is the first thing that came to your mind. Also you are behaving like a madman for the record, take a deep breath, read my disclaimer and calm the **** down because you are about to have a brain aneurysm if you keep this up.

I think you overestimate your powers of perception, Dr. Shrinkmann. The first thing that came to my mind is that you're an idiot if you actually believe these "analysts" (who, by the way, you still haven't referenced) claim it cost them half a billion dollars to make a video game on par with 2007/8 technology, and you see nothing at all wrong with that statement. This is not madness, this is reality, and you have officially broken with it.

Like I said, zero tolerance for stupid ****. If you don't like my calling you out on it, stop pulling ridiculous crap out of your ass.

You have done it quite a few times in this thread already, that is, pointing out to everyone that you have "idiotic logic". I have humored you this far by responding to your posts with reason and even a bit of humor, but since all you can do is troll and use contradiction in your arguments in more than one thread I shall stop and leave you for good to rant, cry and ***** all you want all day long.

Just remember, this is a forum with a thread about a video game, not the end of the world

No I don't think I overestimate my power of perception at all. In fact, I would bet money on that you do see a shrink and take meds, that or you are very passionate about SWToR. But I honestly do not care one way or the other, nor will I care enough talk to you anymore. I just wanted you to calm down because the way you write a post it seems like you are slamming your keyboard screaming and throwing a fit, which is not healthy at all. Also not what I want people to do with this thread.

Feel free to rant and cry about my thread until your face is blue though, I wont try to stop you, peace

Ah Francis...I've been waiting for this one. This is destined to become a classic.

This thread is gorgeous, people rebuking each other's claim will make my monday tomorrow at the office.

Please keep it going and alive, I for one sub to the FAIL TOR , Tortanic mindset, but must hopelessly admit I shelled 60$ for this plastic box made in china gizmo : Book of Sith Vault Edition

IT OPENS AND CLOSES OMGGGGGGGG STAR WARSSSSS ... meh , I want it

They never cared, they never cared about making a great game, they just wanted something fast to capitalize on WoWs success and get a piece of the pie.

tortanic is what happens when a bunch of idiots from /v/ and reddit starts posting about a less than satisfactory launch. It's not gonna die just because you have nothing better to post about.

The thing to know about EA is that they've had that reputation for a long, long time. Back when EA was publishing for Origin (the makers of the Ultima series), they were notorious for rushed (and very incomplete) products, family-destroying mandatory overtime and unreasonable launch dates.

Ultima VII Part I: rushed, but thankfully finished properly. Ultima VII Part II: rushed and unfinished. Ultima VIII: cancelled expansion pack, dangling plot hooks. Ultima IX: executive-meddled into a god-awful, bug-filled, nearly-unplayable, lore-destroying mess. Ultima Online: filled with samurai and elves (neither of which have ever appeared in the Ultima universe). UO II: cancelled because it would compete with its predecessor.

After a huge backlash from 'Widows of EA', they relented and started to clean up, but the reputation still lingers....

tortanic is what happens when a bunch of idiots from /v/ and reddit starts posting about a less than satisfactory launch. It's not gonna die just because you have nothing better to post about.

Ultima VII Part I: rushed, but thankfully finished properly. Ultima VII Part II: rushed and unfinished. Ultima VIII: cancelled expansion pack, dangling plot hooks. Ultima IX: executive-meddled into a god-awful, bug-filled, nearly-unplayable, lore-destroying mess. Ultima Online: filled with samurai and elves (neither of which have ever appeared in the Ultima universe). UO II: cancelled because it would compete with its predecessor.

Prime time folks!!

http://www.swtor.com/server-status

1 server heavy!

100 standard!

110 light!!




http://beta.xfire.com/games/swtor

I predicted this happening when somone describe ToR as Instanceville.

Found this thread funny anyone want to start betting isk?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=330046&page=1

I say 250k subs in 6 months.

50 mil isk.

It would be much less time you would waste on it if you heed her warnings.

This meaning, that he does all the hating, because he cares about the potentially wasted time of unknown people?

Interesting, not even my mom cared so much about my own time back then. I feel important now.

It's becoming an annual circus that we all have free tickets to. A new BioWare game is released, and there's a catastrophic fallout of complaints, accusations, and histrionic rage. Some of it's ridiculous, some of it's justified, but all of it can prove entertaining for the spectators.

i just wanted to say that i left swtor for playing eve, have played 2 months and this is a very fascinating game, complex, and uniqe game unless most other mmos.

This meaning, that he does all the hating, because he cares about the potentially wasted time of unknown people?

Interesting, not even my mom cared so much about my own time back then. I feel important now.

hmm, i think u got it wrong, mayby you should try to read my post again...

hmm, i think u got it wrong, mayby you should try to read my post again...

One has to wonder how so much stupid can fit into a single person.

I read it again.

I hope you can forgive me and welcome to EvE Online

hehe, np and thanks.

the failure of Mass Effect 3 and in general EA failing at every turn.r

Rubbish, Mass Effect 3 outsells Mass Effect 1 & 2 combined

The F2P weekend is going to be amazing.
"The ship isn't sinking! My side just rose up 200 feet!"

Oh boy, are we getting desperate now? It is talking about UK sales on one chart at one retailer but "they don't have exact figures"

Go to bed Tyran, you are like not even trying anymore...


PS: Mass Effect 3 was not even being sold in GAME's shops.

facts, right, you supply me with bullshit then dress it up as a fact.

In that case, enjoy this fact!


SWTOR going F2P already lol

"I couldn't care less about SWTOR..."

Oh, really?

/posted in thread "SWToR Just hit the iceberg=Tortanic!"

How do you survive in today's society?

Oh boy, are we getting desperate now? It is talking about UK sales on one chart at one retailer but "they don't have exact figures"

Go to bed Tyran, you are like not even trying anymore...


PS: Mass Effect 3 was not even being sold in GAME's shops.

That's because GAME's shops are on the brink of complete and total failure, not because Mass Effect 3 is a bad game. Or in other words, GAME isn't refusing to sell Mass Effect 3 - EA (and many other suppliers) are refusing to do business with GAME. GAME's shares dropped 66 percent a few days ago because of this.

Just like i did back in the 80's and 90's.

My two questions though, are still unanswered (reminder in case you want to answer them).

For the rest, I didn't want and i wont get involved in any cheap media discussion.

Selective quoting at its finest, you derailed the thread with your rant about ME3. Nice to see how you conceded the argument and resorted to ad hominem & bullshit.

Live feed from 2bhammered webcam

Still not figured out how the how edit button works huh? Your shiptoasting always seems to start at the weekend, they must let you off the shortbus then.

P.S.

The data's been posted, face it you are wrong. So suck it up and come up with another dead horse to flog.

P.P.S

4 chan, that explains a lot.

So where they at now?

Kinda obsessed? Like into the way too much zone...
According to those total population peak between all servers on any given day is nearly 300kish? Which an MMO population declining way after release is quite normal. And then leveling out.

Matter of fact most pay MMO's have seen a decline in sub numbers in the last 1-2 years. Even eve.
Could be that people are just tired of the model and gameplay. Also take into consideration of time of year v. sales, and subs.

SWOTOR anit going to be the end all be all, but only fools/fanbois thought that... Also people that didnt read the previews before its release.

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How is this thread still on the front page?
We KNOW 2bhammered is a troll, and we KNOW how MMO population works.

Hell I'm playing City of Heroes again, which would give it's left super-nutt for a percentage point of SWTOR's population, and it's still not 'dead' by any means. I can log on and get a group any time I want, even at the odd hours I play.

Let 2bhammered have the last word and let her stupid thread die.

I never played it... I just wonder the obsession with the desire for it to "fail" or not succeed... Once again I don't care how a game I don't play success impacts me in the least bit. There's an honest curiosity on your infatuation.

Seriously I don't get it...

I don't know about the numbers, but I did read a few weeks ago released sub numbers, and profitability. Given it's a public company it would be illegal to fudge those. I mean you released the website showing the graphs of # of players on total servers per day then tell me those are inaccurate.... Well why the hell did you link them in the first place?

Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But I doubt EA would lie on a quarterly report...(illegal) and i'm only going off the numbers you yourself linked.

And I did read previews on IGN, gamespy, gamespot. That stated to the effect: "it's your standard MMO with a starwars theme. It's not bad, but it's not new."

Perhaps we read different sites, but they did have more than 1 preview on each stating as much... Which is why I never looked to buy or play it. I already have/did.

You want me to link a preview that said swotor was nothing special? From a website you claim works for EA? That doesn't make your point...Rather the opposite.

Here's the gist. http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/index_articles.html

Some IGN linked in there as well.

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How is this thread still on the front page?
We KNOW 2bhammered is a troll, and we KNOW how MMO population works.

Hell I'm playing City of Heroes again, which would give it's left super-nutt for a percentage point of SWTOR's population, and it's still not 'dead' by any means. I can log on and get a group any time I want, even at the odd hours I play.

Let 2bhammered have the last word and let her stupid thread die.

I don't think games just die. Even Unreal Tournament which is very old, still has some servers up and running.

Looks like the downward trend of subs has finally gotten the publisher to react. SWtoR is going F2P. From full sub WoW killer to Pay-to-Win within the first year. That's a solid flop in my book

Looks like the downward trend of subs has finally gotten the publisher to react. SWtoR is going F2P. From full sub WoW killer to F2P within the first year. That's a solid flop in my book

[...] Will the modern MMO become more like the modern FPSes: a two-year fix for small(ish) groups until the next version comes out with some updated graphics and more over-the-top plots, only these games are built around stats-selection and co-op rather than weapon-selection and shooting other players.

star wars has expired.
its over.
deal with it
stop trying to make more star wars things (besides legos because they're cewl)

next MMO that is going to fail will be TES online ( the elders scroll) , sure they still working on it and willbe a long while before it comes out, but looks like it will be another WoWclone and will probably dissapoint its longtime hardcore fans of the series , including me

Really hits me that this game isn't going to make it.


I followed it for four years, made an RP group and we basically waited all that time..

Then when it finally released we played till February and ultimately we all just said.. yeah.. this isn't pre-cu SWG..

..and left.


Such a tragic end to a Star Wars game..hopefully one day we'll see the rise of truly amazing Star Wars games again.


Tie Fighter? Jedi Knight Series? Battlefront?


... hell even a rehash of SWG?

One can only dream.

I'm also expecting a huge disappointment for the Elder Scrolls MMO. It's such a shame to see the series ruined by what will undoubetdly be yet another failed WoW clone. I wish these people would realise that copying WoW = failure, can't they see the trend?

If people want to play WoW, they'll play WoW, it has lots of players already there, and the game has been polished over many years. Why should they go play some clone of it, just because it has a different name?

I have to agree with this as well. As soon as they released their plans for the game I took one look and logged off. I was hoping for something more along the lines of Skyrim Online. Get rid of usual class system and let people build a character on skills like we have here (major win for ccp).