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Antithysis Gallente Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Jonny JoJo 1. Your EFT setup with cap booster running still cannot have enough cap coming in, taking reloads into account. 2. Your anti-titan hic would drop tank for 1 shot buffer. And my point was other races can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays in hics. 3. You FAIL as you never bothered to canculate effective hitpoints vs doomsday, 1) My EFT setup DOES take reload time into calculation. Argument 1 thrown out the window. 2) Yes, it drops some of it's tank for a 1 shot buffer. News flash: EVERY SINGLE HEAVY INTERDICTOR HAS TO DO THIS. 3) Did you not read my post? I specifically took into account the effective HP buffer vs. a doomsday. Here, I'll quote it for you since you seem to be slow: Originally by: Antithysis You don't just look at the armor physical HP. You look at the effective HP vs. the doomsday type you are planning to tank. If you have 75k effective HP (which can be done with 1 800mm plate and a specific hardener), then you are fine. Effective HP takes into consideration the level of resistance your ship has to a specific damage type, so it gives you the actual damage you would be able to sustain from that damage type before your actual armor HP = your effective armor HP. You can have 2600 armor, and have an effective 65k HP vs. Explosive with NO PLATE. Yes, that's no plate, and no specific hardener. A single explosive hardener would enable you to tank a doomsday without a plate. But I guess you can't read properly, or you would have noticed that. My deepest sympathies to your family. Originally by: Orar Ironfist 1.His eft is right it takes into account load times 2.You can tank them too you just have zero skillz to do so cleary its you and not the ship 3.You fail harder becuase it has effective hp over that of ddomsday max dmg to an unresisted ship so its doing infact less to you 4. Shut up now your purposely trying to troll and everyone knows your wrong but yourself Much <3 Orar! -Anti
Princess Xenia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:28:00 - [32] Edited by: Princess Xenia on 10/01/2008 02:28:41 Rate my Devoter: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3553/devoterxo6.png Link does not work.. copy paste it..
Digital Solaris Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:30:00 - [33] So, you are convinced that the Amarr are complete crap. That is your opinion and you are completely entitled to it. But what keeps you from going in a different direction then, like Gallente, or Caldari or even Minmatar? I can't really think of a reason not to, unless you are a roleplayer.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Antithysis Originally by: Jonny JoJo 1. Your EFT setup with cap booster running still cannot have enough cap coming in, taking reloads into account. 2. Your anti-titan hic would drop tank for 1 shot buffer. And my point was other races can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays in hics. 3. You FAIL as you never bothered to canculate effective hitpoints vs doomsday, 1) My EFT setup DOES take reload time into calculation. Argument 1 thrown out the window. 2) Yes, it drops some of it's tank for a 1 shot buffer. News flash: EVERY SINGLE HEAVY INTERDICTOR HAS TO DO THIS. 3) Did you not read my post? I specifically took into account the effective HP buffer vs. a doomsday. Here, I'll quote it for you since you seem to be slow: Originally by: Antithysis You don't just look at the armor physical HP. You look at the effective HP vs. the doomsday type you are planning to tank. If you have 75k effective HP (which can be done with 1 800mm plate and a specific hardener), then you are fine. Effective HP takes into consideration the level of resistance your ship has to a specific damage type, so it gives you the actual damage you would be able to sustain from that damage type before your actual armor HP = your effective armor HP. You can have 2600 armor, and have an effective 65k HP vs. Explosive with NO PLATE. Yes, that's no plate, and no specific hardener. A single explosive hardener would enable you to tank a doomsday without a plate. But I guess you can't read properly, or you would have noticed that. My deepest sympathies to your family. Originally by: Orar Ironfist 1.His eft is right it takes into account load times 2.You can tank them too you just have zero skillz to do so cleary its you and not the ship 3.You fail harder becuase it has effective hp over that of ddomsday max dmg to an unresisted ship so its doing infact less to you 4. Shut up now your purposely trying to troll and everyone knows your wrong but yourself Much <3 Orar! -Anti Obviously you have no indication of reading. I am talking about effective hitpoints. The problem is, people like you still think titans do 45k damage like they did a year and a half ago. They do 70k+ damage, and last person who took a blast from shrike can confirm that he actually does do real world 70k+ "effective" damage. Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
MenanceWhite	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:34:00 - [35] What the heck, you want to fit WEAPONS on a HICTOR?!!???
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:38:00 - [36] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:40:16 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:38:09 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) OK. Highs: 4x FMP II 1x interdictor module 1x whatever Meds: 1x 10MN MWD II 1x medium electrochemichal cap injector (I think T2 fits too) 1x T2 web Lows: 2x MAR II 1x 800mm RT plate (lol, I cannot believe this works w/out fitting mods, you so cannot fit this on other HACs) 1x DC II 2x Energized Reactive Membrane II (you could use active ones for more resists if you like) Rigs: explosive rig. Not really necessary. empty Effective armour HP versus explosive: 158636 HP. You do know how to calculate this? ;) Also: fits without AWU. At all. I don't even know what to do with the excess grid. Rifters!
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:38:00 - [37] Originally by: MenanceWhite What the heck, you want to fit WEAPONS on a HICTOR?!!??? sadly, this person has more sense than some people in this thread. Side note, i heard someplace that there was a firefox app that was able to hide certain posts that were written by certain people... or maybe this was simply wishful thinking :\ disclaimer: Nothing i say, do, think, or once have said, done, nor thought about can be held against me
Digital Solaris Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) I got a better idea, paste your user id & api here so we can load up your skills in evemon. Or is it just as much of a obvious "lol" as I expect your toon to be?
Antithysis Gallente Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Obviously you have no indication of reading. I am talking about effective hitpoints. The problem is, people like you still think titans do 45k damage like they did a year and a half ago. They do 70k+ damage, and last person who took a blast from shrike can confirm that he actually does do real world 70k+ "effective" damage. Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) Guess what asshat? I KNOW. I KNOW IT'S 70K DAMAGE. All of my claims of tanking a doomsday are based on that doomsday doing a 70K+ hit. Every single one of them. Would you like a screenshot? Here you go: Linky Imagine that. It's got HP left to spare after it takes a doomsday hit. All I did was swap beams for pulses and put on a 1600mm RT Plate. That will tank any 1 doomsday, and 2 Minmatar doomsdays. Want the exact fit? Here: Lows: Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Meds: 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II Highs: Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Warp Disruption Field Generator I Rigs: Auxiliary Nano Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Enjoy. -Anti
Bager Gray Gallente COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Digital Solaris So, you are convinced that the Amarr are complete crap. That is your opinion and you are completely entitled to it. But what keeps you from going in a different direction then, like Gallente, or Caldari or even Minmatar? I can't really think of a reason not to, unless you are a roleplayer. Indeed Jonny go train another race. Go train one of the far supperior other races. In the months you should be gone to get a good perspective we will have a little peace on the forums. In conclusion you dont like amarr you have a few options, 1. train another race. 2. train more amarr skill so they work better 3. figure out what you are doing wrong with amarr But whatever you decide to do STFU forum troll.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:40:16 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:38:09 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Please show us your MWD, Guns, 152k effective HP, dual MAR, Plate setup. Unless its civiallian guns, and 1600 Plates that slow the ship more than titan speed, then please explain how this setup can lock a titan for 10mins+? (which is the shortist time it has ever taken to kill a titan) OK. Highs: 4x FMP II 1x interdictor module 1x whatever Meds: 1x 10MN MWD II 1x medium electrochemichal cap injector (I think T2 fits too) 1x T2 web Lows: 2x MAR II 1x 800mm RT plate (lol, I cannot believe this works w/out fitting mods, you so cannot fit this on other HACs) 1x DC II 2x Energized Reactive Membrane II (you could use active ones for more resists if you like) Rigs: explosive rig. Not really necessary. empty Effective armour HP versus explosive: 158636 HP. You do know how to calculate this? ;) Also: fits without AWU. At all. I don't even know what to do with the excess grid. Focused Pulse? You guys even know what focused pulse is? People who use focued pulse are the types of people who use 350's on sniper ships. I.E its the looser module Have you guys ever flown Amarr by any chance? next you will be saying Apoc = best bs as it can fit quad reps. Way to CHEAT big boy - But your setup is not doomday proof. I put th enumbers into EFT and lets see the results.. Dies easaly to Avatar Blast Dies Easaly to Leviathan Blast Dies easaly to Erebus blast. Survives Ragnarok blast due to mass explosive hardners. So your setups are nothing but a fraud. Next you will be saying that a apoc with 3 x EM Hardners can armour tank Avatars. Sure it can, but it will die to every other DD so its not doomsday proof. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:32:00 - [42] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 03:33:06 Originally by: Antithysis Asshat Setup -Anti Except you use Focused Pulse. You guys are all picking out cheat setups so you can either 1. Fit Dual MAR/MWD/Booster/Plates at the expese of smaller powered weapons etc 2. Fit Cheat DD tank setups against a single DD type You guys using cheat setups to divert the issue from the correct action - that heavy pulse Devoter setups lack grid, and that unless you use focused pulse or frig/civillian weapons, you cannot get the tank of other hic's, such as Oynx or Bradsword. People use heavy pulse which is the standard for amarr medium laser pilots. But you know that would mean I am correct, therefore you run this charade. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:33:00 - [43] Devoter crap? You are! I'm changing my Phobos to Devoter once I get Amarr Cruiser V. --- Teeheee!
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:58:00 - [44] I'm going to regret this, but here goes. 1. For all I care, take all of the hardpoints off of all the heavy 'dictors. They're not supposed to do damage, they're supposed to be an incredibly tough tackling beast. I don't care if I can only fit middle tier guns on them. To me, whatever guns I can fit are just icing on the already over-tanked cake. 2. If you are going into a fight to tackle a Titan, chances are you know how many and what kind(s) of Titan(s) to expect. Tanking to match your target's Doomsday Device is common sense, so is keeping back a HIC to tackle a Titan that hasn't shown up yet. 3. If you plan on using a heavy 'dictor for something other than tackling a super-capital ship, your tank doesn't need to be nearly as strong so you can end up fitting the bigger guns you so desperately need. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Vanderie Amarr Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.10 04:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 03:33:06 Originally by: Antithysis Asshat Setup -Anti Except you use Focused Pulse. You guys are all picking out cheat setups so you can either 1. Fit Dual MAR/MWD/Booster/Plates at the expese of smaller powered weapons etc 2. Fit Cheat DD tank setups against a single DD type You guys using cheat setups to divert the issue from the correct action - that heavy pulse Devoter setups lack grid, and that unless you use focused pulse or frig/civillian weapons, you cannot get the tank of other hic's, such as Oynx or Bradsword. People use heavy pulse which is the standard for amarr medium laser pilots. But you know that would mean I am correct, therefore you run this charade. Cheat Setup? Are you... Good god you are stupid. No, Heavy Pulse Lasers are NOT the standard for medium lasers. Those ONLY go on high DPS ships, which the Devoter is not and was never intended to be. You have to make sacrifices. You either choose to tank a doomsday, tank gate sentries, or do higher DPS. You cannot and will not have it all. No ship is able to do it all. If you want the heavy guns on this ship, you have to be willing to sacrifice some of it's tank. The onyx does craptacular DPS, and if you fit a MWD onto it, it loses alot of it's uber tanking ability. The broadsword can fit a really nice tank (I know, I can fly one), but the DPS on it is nothing to write home about. The Phobos is actually not that good. It suffers from cap problems due to the need to use hybrids on it (which eat up capacitor). And cheat Doomsday tanking setups? You really are ******. This devoter that I fit out tanks at least 1 of every type of doomsday, and it can withstand 2 minmatar doomsdays at once. Here, I will show you: vs. Amarr Doomsday vs. Caldari Doomsday vs. Gallente Doomsday vs. Minmatar Doomsday This shows that with this setup, the Devoter can withstand 1 of each type of doomsday at least, and against a Ragnarok, it can withstand 2. This is not a cheat setup, there is nothing wrong with setting up a Heavy Dictor like this, because this allows the HIC to do it's job**. You cannot have DPS AND Mobility AND tank a doomsday. You just can't. You have to pick. -Vanderie (Antithysis)
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 04:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Bronson Hughes I'm going to regret this, but here goes. 1. For all I care, take all of the hardpoints off of all the heavy 'dictors. They're not supposed to do damage, they're supposed to be an incredibly tough tackling beast. I don't care if I can only fit middle tier guns on them. To me, whatever guns I can fit are just icing on the already over-tanked cake. 2. If you are going into a fight to tackle a Titan, chances are you know how many and what kind(s) of Titan(s) to expect. Tanking to match your target's Doomsday Device is common sense, so is keeping back a HIC to tackle a Titan that hasn't shown up yet. 3. If you plan on using a heavy 'dictor for something other than tackling a super-capital ship, your tank doesn't need to be nearly as strong so you can end up fitting the bigger guns you so desperately need. You do realize that this proves the ridicilous fitting requirements of lasers is a huge issue dont you? Because if ccp would have given our hic enough grid to fit the same tier guns as everyone else it could be abused and used for plates etc. Fix lasers so they dont have to pg gimp our hic. Bad news though, zulu doesnt think there is anything wrong with lasers. Fail. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 04:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Vanderie No, Heavy Pulse Lasers are NOT the standard for medium lasers. Those ONLY go on high DPS ships, which the Devoter is not and was never intended to be. But dont forget to compare the loss of dps for downgrading with for example minmatar counterparts. How about ccp boosted focused pulse a bit yea? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Vanderie Amarr Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.10 04:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Vanderie No, Heavy Pulse Lasers are NOT the standard for medium lasers. Those ONLY go on high DPS ships, which the Devoter is not and was never intended to be. But dont forget to compare the loss of dps for downgrading with for example minmatar counterparts. How about ccp boosted focused pulse a bit yea? I agree, Focused Pulses need to be boosted slightly. My point was simply that the Devoter was not intended to be ZOMGDPS, and I think a sacrifice in damage is acceptable with the kind of tank you get on this thing. -Vanderie
Bodhisattvas Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.10 04:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Orar Ironfist Youve been near a DDD when it goes off eh? Be serious now, Jojo the Troll only fights on the forums, never seen him on a KB. Jojo aint but most of the rest of his bloody alliance are on our killboard..... Does that help any ?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 05:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Vanderie Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Vanderie No, Heavy Pulse Lasers are NOT the standard for medium lasers. Those ONLY go on high DPS ships, which the Devoter is not and was never intended to be. But dont forget to compare the loss of dps for downgrading with for example minmatar counterparts. How about ccp boosted focused pulse a bit yea? I agree, Focused Pulses need to be boosted slightly. My point was simply that the Devoter was not intended to be ZOMGDPS, and I think a sacrifice in damage is acceptable with the kind of tank you get on this thing. -Vanderie But something is obviously broken. Either the focused pulses, ie main part of our weaponry, or the pg of our hic when compared to what other hics can fit. Something is wrong. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Vanderie Amarr Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.10 05:57:00 - [51] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer But something is obviously broken. Either the focused pulses, ie main part of our weaponry, or the pg of our hic when compared to what other hics can fit. Something is wrong. I disagree with that personally. Look at Gallente blasters; dropping down a level (neutron to ion) is a pretty big drop in DPS (my main is specced for Gallente), so it's on the same level. That, and neutrons also have fitting problems, so I don't really think that Amarr are alone. It's the same thing with Siege launchers and cruise launchers, Heavy Assault launchers and heavy launchers, etc etc. Amarr aren't alone in this problem. Not to mention, we don't use ammunition, whereas every other race does, and our pulse lasers can quickly switch from close range to long range when needed (no reload time). I think it's pretty fair. -Vanderie
HowlinMad Murdock Caldari No Trademark	Posted - 2008.01.10 06:21:00 - [52] Edited by: HowlinMad Murdock on 10/01/2008 06:21:54 as far as focused verses pulse or whatever (not amarr obviously) its the same issue as every race in this game has, there is no weapon that does awesome DPS without some sort of penalty. whether it be range/fitting/damage type/whatever there will be a trade off because thats how they have made it. its not something that needs to be nerfed or boosted, its just how the game has been made. f'in deal with it as far as this whole thread... well i always like the saying " arguing on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics, even if you win your still ********" which arguing with ol' jonny jojo is getting nowhere because he is just going to continue his trolling ways and you guys aren't going to convince him that he's a brainless twit, so continuing to banter with him gets everyone nowhere... with that said i've actually enjoyed the back and forth is just funny, made me laugh.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.01.10 06:27:00 - [53] Originally by: Vanderie I disagree with that personally. Look at Gallente blasters; dropping down a level (neutron to ion) is a pretty big drop in DPS (my main is specced for Gallente), so it's on the same level. How is on the same level, i.e. with perfect skills and no damage mods: heavy pulse with conflag: 42dps fmp: 36dps ~ 16% drop in dps heavy neutron blaster void: 49dps heavy ion blaster void: 46dps ~ 6.5% drop in dps Of course the savings on pg/cpu are bigger too if you drop from heavy pulses to focused ones. But the problem as i know it is that you either have too much fitting left if you fit "only" fmps or you have too little freedom if you fit heavy pulses. I think a med tier pulse laser would be nice to have. Maybe then minnies should get a third artie too. But generally speaking fitting on lasers should be made a little bit easier. Fitting a rupture or thorax is so easy compared to fitting a decent maller its not funny anymore. Ok maller would suck even if it wasn't for the fitting probs. But thats another story.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 06:44:00 - [54] Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock Edited by: HowlinMad Murdock on 10/01/2008 06:21:54 as far as focused verses pulse or whatever (not amarr obviously) its the same issue as every race in this game has, there is no weapon that does awesome DPS without some sort of penalty. whether it be range/fitting/damage type/whatever there will be a trade off because thats how they have made it. its not something that needs to be nerfed or boosted, its just how the game has been made. f'in deal with it as far as this whole thread... well i always like the saying " arguing on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics, even if you win your still ********" which arguing with ol' jonny jojo is getting nowhere because he is just going to continue his trolling ways and you guys aren't going to convince him that he's a brainless twit, so continuing to banter with him gets everyone nowhere... with that said i've actually enjoyed the back and forth is just funny, made me laugh. You have no clue about how high and low tier guns relate for amarr compared to other races. You fail. Plz stop posting. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Thuranni The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.10 06:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. How can you take such good material (16 pictures of CCP staff in amusing situations) and create such unfunny signatures? It boggles the mind.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 06:47:00 - [56] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 10/01/2008 06:46:52 Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away. It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus. However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over. So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it. How can you take such good material (16 pictures of CCP staff in amusing situations) and create such unfunny signatures? It boggles the mind. WTS sense of humor --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 07:07:00 - [57] Cheat setups! You're as clueless as you appear in most your posts? You've yet to show one of those "sensible" fabled omgwtftank setups the "other" races have that the devoter can't do just as well (or better).
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.10 07:49:00 - [58] I was going to post something useful, but then I realized that 'FailJo' has already ignored everything useful posted in this thread, of which there was plenty. I just hope he trolls on purpose - the thought that someone can really be that dense feels like an insult to the human race as a whole.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.10 08:00:00 - [59] Everyone stop all this bickering, have some respect for the best EFT pvper in this game, jonny jojo.
Warrio Mining Bytes Inc. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.10 08:01:00 - [60] Let me summerise: It would appear the op is seeking a: Cloaking, MWDing, DPSing, Tanking, Tackling, Cap stable, Plated MONSTER SHIP. Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain

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