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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 01:18:01 Ok Heavy interdictor needs MWD to keep targets in range, otherwise anything it bubbles or scrams will just MWD away.
It needs a reasonable tank and it needs to be able to take advantage of its damage bonus.
However it SEVERLY lacks grid. Other races have OMG WTF Tank and nano etc but as usualy, Amarr totally got bent over.
So can anyone name a "SENSIBE" Mwd setup for this ship? Is there even such a thing? The only way people can fit this ship is by using civillian guns on it.
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Charlie Seriya
Gallente Eve Defence Force Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:31:00 -
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Not sure exactly what you were hoping for, it has better fitting than both Amarr HACs. I don't fly Amarr and Quickfit doesn't have Heavy Dictors yet so I can't suggest specific fittings... all I can say is try using less demanding guns, or perhaps one less?
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Seriya Not sure exactly what you were hoping for, it has better fitting than both Amarr HACs. I don't fly Amarr and Quickfit doesn't have Heavy Dictors yet so I can't suggest specific fittings... all I can say is try using less demanding guns, or perhaps one less?
You mean a rack of Civillian guns? The ship struggels to fit Lasers. Its WORSE at fitting lasers than battleships, unless you fly a paper setup.
Projectiles fit perfectly though, which is crazy as you are throwing away ship bonus. Any why fly a slow ass Amarr hic in paper mode, when other dictors have OMG tank/Damage?
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:43:00 -
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Someone call the Whaambulance. Jonny JoJo is going critical.
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:44:00 -
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Lol something you should invest in is fitting skills then mate But Seriously check this out: x4 Heavy pulse II's x1 Warp Disruption field gen x1 Y-T8mwd x1 med cap booster II w/ 800's x1 Langour web x2 Medium armor rep II's x1 DCU II x1 Thermic Hard II x2 EANM II
x2 Auxiliary nano pump I's (or other rigs w/e you want really)
You need AWU 5 to fit all that on there otherwise i would suggest swapping a rep for a heat sink or swapping out guns. Thats an all out tank fit though like if you were told to tackle a nyx or were fighting under sentries. Im sure you could go with single rep gank setups and be fun just gotta play with it.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 01:52:30 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 01:49:41 With focused medium pulses it's TRIVIAL to fit PG-wise even with a MWD-ing cap injected dual rep setup. Train engineering V or something. Now stop trolling.
Yes, highest tier guns require AWU or fitting mods.
Maybe you're trying to fit beams or something? Pulses are the guns which enable you to fit a tank, you know? Same as the other races. Try to fit arties on it, it doesn't work either. Pulses are your friend, and you cannot possibly be whining about the inability to fit a T2 ship with highest tier guns and not have AWU trained, right?
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Antithysis
Gallente Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Antithysis on 10/01/2008 01:52:31 Edited by: Antithysis on 10/01/2008 01:50:11 I just fitted this out in EFT:
Highs: Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II
Meds: 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II
Lows: Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Rigs: Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Tanks 709 Damage Per Second, 1 Rep can tank the sentries.
The capacitor lasts for quite a long time, at least as long as you have boosters, and if yer using 1 rep running (no guns or disruptor active) it can permatank the sentries without using a cap booster.
So please, tell me how this is hard to fit or a weak tank.
-Anti
EDIT: Spelling
EDIT 2: And this doesn't even need AWU V. I doubt it would have trouble fitting with AWU 2.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist Lol something you should invest in is fitting skills then mate But Seriously check this out: x4 Heavy pulse II's x1 Warp Disruption field gen x1 Y-T8mwd x1 med cap booster II w/ 800's x1 Langour web x2 Medium armor rep II's x1 DCU II x1 Thermic Hard II x2 EANM II
x2 Auxiliary nano pump I's (or other rigs w/e you want really)
You need AWU 5 to fit all that on there otherwise i would suggest swapping a rep for a heat sink or swapping out guns. Thats an all out tank fit though like if you were told to tackle a nyx or were fighting under sentries. Im sure you could go with single rep gank setups and be fun just gotta play with it.
And how many minutes is that going to last?29 seconds, or 1 minute with max skills with just 1 rep on, and lacks cargo space for sustaining it with cap booster charges.
And you never fitted a low and a high. Thats a cloak and a plate that it should be able to fit but cannot.
This sucks. Other HIC's are OMG and Amarr get the crap off the back of the barral yet again.
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:54:00 -
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Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Antithysis Edited by: Antithysis on 10/01/2008 01:52:31 Edited by: Antithysis on 10/01/2008 01:50:11 I just fitted this out in EFT:
Highs: Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II
Meds: 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II
Lows: Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M Focused Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Warp Disruption Field Generator I
Rigs: Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Tanks 709 Damage Per Second, 1 Rep can tank the sentries.
The capacitor lasts for quite a long time, at least as long as you have boosters, and if yer using 1 rep running (no guns or disruptor active) it can permatank the sentries without using a cap booster.
So please, tell me how this is hard to fit or a weak tank.
-Anti
EDIT: Spelling
EDIT 2: And this doesn't even need AWU V. I doubt it would have trouble fitting with AWU 2.
Love the 2k Armour buffer so it dies to doomsday, and the 32 seconds of life this ship has once it runs out of booster. With a infinite supply of boosters, it caps out after 1-2mins.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:01:54
Originally by: Jonny JoJo trolling
One MAR II permaruns if you're not running other stuff, which is enough for tanking sentries. So you fail. No active-tanked HIC can run two reps and guns w/out cap boosters anyway.
Also, a 800mm RT plate fits quite comfortably, provided you have AWU and are used focused medium pulses, and you cannot possibly be telling me you want a dual-rep setup, highest tier guns and a plate all together on a HIC, because that's just LOL.
A Phobos can't fit neutrons + 10MN MWD II + dual MARs and NOTHING ELSE, with AWU V. You are complaining about not being able to fit highest tier guns + 10MN MWD II + dual MARs + cap injector + plate? Wtf? ALSO, your cap lasts longer then a Phobos when you run out of cap boosters (28s). So don't cry about cap stability of dual MAR setups, lol.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust
Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh?
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust
Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh?
Actually only HIC which can fit guns, dual MAR tank, MWD, all the essentialls, and a 800mm RT plate. Strange Amarr have such a overpowered HIC...
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust
Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh?
Youve been near a DDD when it goes off eh? Cause resists do make a difference in dmg you take and that devoter with single rep is sustainible and with 2 its 5mins striahgt with max skills its 25. BUT if you fit a cpr in the low it gets increased even more so. Its not meant for dps its meant to stop caps from warping. So ina serious fight you wouldnt even waste the cap to shoot (as it wouldnt really even be helping) and focus on keeping the tank+point running. DDD are good but when you have 85% resists all around they wont come anywhere near to instakilling you
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust
Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh?
Actually only HIC which can fit guns, dual MAR tank, MWD, all the essentialls, and a 800mm RT plate. Strange Amarr have such a overpowered HIC...
Can it? you call a 2k armour buffer a "tank"? You are aware that any titan it scrambles can instadoonsday it?
You are aware that other races have SUPERIOR tank that can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays?
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Youve been near a DDD when it goes off eh?
Be serious now, Jojo the Troll only fights on the forums, never seen him on a KB.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Orar Ironfist Forgot to add just in case you use the argument "it doesnt do that much dps thats crap" Its not supposed to. Its supposed to hold down Caps+Super Caps while your fleet/other caps grind them to dust
Good luck locking down the titan that can instadoomsday your ship. kinda silly eh?
Youve been near a DDD when it goes off eh? Cause resists do make a difference in dmg you take and that devoter with single rep is sustainible and with 2 its 5mins striahgt with max skills its 25. BUT if you fit a cpr in the low it gets increased even more so. Its not meant for dps its meant to stop caps from warping. So ina serious fight you wouldnt even waste the cap to shoot (as it wouldnt really even be helping) and focus on keeping the tank+point running. DDD are good but when you have 85% resists all around they wont come anywhere near to instakilling you
Dude - Do the math. 70k+ doomsday hits you. You are dead with your "2k armour buffer" on your highist resist. you dont have enough effective hitpoints for any damagetype to tanks a doomsday.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 02:13:00
Originally by: Jonny JoJo [ Can it? you call a 2k armour buffer a "tank"? You are aware that any titan it scrambles can instadoonsday it?
You are aware that other races have SUPERIOR tank that can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays?
Are you aware that the Phobos does not, in fact, FIT BLOODY HIGHEST-TIER GUNS, A MWD AND DUAL MAR SETUP, MUCH LESS ANYTHING ELSE AND SPECIFICALLY NOT A PLATE AND INJECTOR OF ANY SORT WITH AWU V? It's clearly overpowered, and you're trolling.
quote=Jonny JoJo]trolling
(a) Devoter with 800mm RT plate has 5235 armour HP. (b) Devoter with 800mm RT plate has 43306 effective HP assuming equal damage distribution. (c) If you were going against a titan, you'd either tank specifically for his damage or die to his doomsday. For example, vs explosive it's quite trivial to get a 96.7% exp resist, making you able to tank TWO explosive doomsdays with a 800mm RT plate, exp rig, two passive exp resists and a DC II. LOL.
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Antithysis
Gallente Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo Love the 2k Armour buffer so it dies to doomsday, and the 32 seconds of life this ship has once it runs out of booster. With a infinite supply of boosters, it caps out after 1-2mins.
Are you ********? No, seriously?
I said in my post that 1 rep would perma-run and can tank the gate sentries fine. With everything running (besides the MWD), it lasts as long as you have boosters. If it had an infinite supply of boosters, it would perma-run, so you can take your comment and shove it.
Secondly, this is not a setup to tank a doomsday. If you want that, take a repairer off and put on an 800mm Plate (If you are expecting multiple doomsdays, then you'll have to use a 1600 plate and drop either both reps or some of the guns. Since it isn't supposed to be a damage ship, I'd just drop the guns in favor of allowing it to do it's ******* job, which is tank a doomsday and keep super capitals pinned.
Also, your comment about the 2000 armor buffer is ******** as well. You don't just look at the armor physical HP. You look at the effective HP vs. the doomsday type you are planning to tank. If you have 75k effective HP (which can be done with 1 800mm plate and a specific hardener), then you are fine. Effective HP takes into consideration the level of resistance your ship has to a specific damage type, so it gives you the actual damage you would be able to sustain from that damage type before your actual armor HP = your effective armor HP. You can have 2600 armor, and have an effective 65k HP vs. Explosive with NO PLATE. Yes, that's no plate, and no specific hardener. A single explosive hardener would enable you to tank a doomsday without a plate.
So please, before you reply again, use your brain. At least a little bit.
-Anti
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Jonny JoJo [ Can it? you call a 2k armour buffer a "tank"? You are aware that any titan it scrambles can instadoonsday it?
You are aware that other races have SUPERIOR tank that can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays?
Are you aware that the Phobos does not, in fact, FIT BLOODY HIGHEST-TIER GUNS, A MWD AND DUAL MAR SETUP, MUCH LESS ANYTHING ELSE AND SPECIFICALLY NOT A PLATE AND INJECTOR OF ANY SORT WITH AWU V? It's clearly overpowered, and you're trolling.
Dude, I dont give a crap about the phobos - it can tank doomsdays. Amarr needs Civillian guns to do that. Come back and whine about phobos when it needs civilian guns
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Dude - Do the math. 70k+ doomsday hits you. You are dead with your "2k armour buffer" on your highist resist. you dont have enough effective hitpoints for any damagetype to tanks a doomsday.
Hey mister math skills its a stock 45k dmg so 85% of that is resisted not including shield if you havent been hit yet and the whole structure with 60% resists cause of DCU so in fact you can survive a DDD. And buddy you dont need to survive multiple DoomsDays cause it can only be used once an hour. And i swear to god if you say "BooHoo they always nerf Amarr BooHoo" your St00pit cause amarr is one of the best races in the game nub
Please dear god mods dont nerf this sig too its the 6th freakin one ive put up |
Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Orar Ironfist on 10/01/2008 02:13:14 Double post ftl
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Antithysis
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Love the 2k Armour buffer so it dies to doomsday, and the 32 seconds of life this ship has once it runs out of booster. With a infinite supply of boosters, it caps out after 1-2mins.
Are you ********? No, seriously?
I said in my post that 1 rep would perma-run and can tank the gate sentries fine. With everything running (besides the MWD), it lasts as long as you have boosters. If it had an infinite supply of boosters, it would perma-run, so you can take your comment and shove it.
Secondly, this is not a setup to tank a doomsday. If you want that, take a repairer off and put on an 800mm Plate (If you are expecting multiple doomsdays, then you'll have to use a 1600 plate and drop either both reps or some of the guns. Since it isn't supposed to be a damage ship, I'd just drop the guns in favor of allowing it to do it's ******* job, which is tank a doomsday and keep super capitals pinned.
Also, your comment about the 2000 armor buffer is ******** as well. You don't just look at the armor physical HP. You look at the effective HP vs. the doomsday type you are planning to tank. If you have 75k effective HP (which can be done with 1 800mm plate and a specific hardener), then you are fine. Effective HP takes into consideration the level of resistance your ship has to a specific damage type, so it gives you the actual damage you would be able to sustain from that damage type before your actual armor HP = your effective armor HP. You can have 2600 armor, and have an effective 65k HP vs. Explosive with NO PLATE. Yes, that's no plate, and no specific hardener. A single explosive hardener would enable you to tank a doomsday without a plate.
So please, before you reply again, use your brain. At least a little bit.
-Anti
1. Your EFT setup with cap booster running still cannot have enough cap coming in, taking reloads into account. 2. Your anti-titan hic would drop tank for 1 shot buffer. And my point was other races can tank MULTIPLE doomsdays in hics. 3. You FAIL as you never bothered to canculate effective hitpoints vs doomsday,
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:14:00 -
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Devoter fits perfectly fine. What do you want to do with it?
It should have 4 meds and 6 lows like the phobos which would make it a better lowsec tackler. But well i am not surprised. However this ship is ok for its job. As for the guns i'd fit acs anyway but it depends what and also where are you going to do it.
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Digital Solaris
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Antithysis
So please, before you reply again, use your brain. At least a little bit.
Isn't that too unrealistic to ask from this guy?
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Dude, I dont give a crap about the phobos - it can tank doomsdays. Amarr needs Civillian guns to do that. Come back and whine about phobos when it needs civilian guns
Amarr tanks two doomsdays simultaneously while fitting T2 guns, interdictor module, dual-rep tank, MWD, cap injector and no fitting mods at all, something the phobos can't even FIT.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Dude - Do the math. 70k+ doomsday hits you. You are dead with your "2k armour buffer" on your highist resist. you dont have enough effective hitpoints for any damagetype to tanks a doomsday.
Hey mister math skills its a stock 45k dmg so 85% of that is resisted not including shield if you havent been hit yet and the whole structure with 60% resists cause of DCU so in fact you can survive a DDD. And buddy you dont need to survive multiple DoomsDays cause it can only be used once an hour. And i swear to god if you say "BooHoo they always nerf Amarr BooHoo" your St00pit cause amarr is one of the best races in the game nub
Please do math. As Titan blast is 70k+. CCP upped the damage a long time ago, somthing you would know if you actually got doomsdayed.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Please do math. As Titan blast is 70k+ and not 45k. CCP upped the damage a long time ago, somthing you would know if you actually got doomsdayed.
Funny that someone who never ever appears on killboards participates in so much fleet combat.
Anyway, you fail. It's very easy to set it up to have about 158K of effective armour (just armour!) HP over explosive with still a dual rep tank, enabling you to lol at two minmatar titan pilots all day long.
Without a MWD, guns or anything else? Sounds great. Even the TITAN will outrun it speed wise due to plates. LOL
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:24:00 -
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Well seeing as how jojo is quite possibly the dumbest person in eve theres really no point in arguing anymore. Clearly from his point of view its mean ol ccp nerfing amarr non-stop no matter what.
o7 Gl to those who feel like arguing with him
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Without a MWD, guns or anything else? Sounds great. Even the TITAN will outrun it speed wise due to plates. LOL
You're just a little troll.
With FMP IIs, interdictor module, 800mm RT plate, two passive explosive resists, DC II, 10MN MWD II, med electrochemichal cap injector, dual MARs and a single explosive rig you get 158K effective armour HP against explosive if you set up for it out of your 5.2K actual armour.
Since last I heard titans don't go 1.35km/s, I don't think it's going to exactly outrun you
It's even not a unrealistic setup if you're expecting a minmatar titan on the battlefield.
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