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Neon Razor
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.01.10 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio Let me summerise: It would appear the op is seeking a: Cloaking, MWDing, DPSing, Tanking, Tackling, Cap stable, Plated MONSTER SHIP.
WTB same ship will trade in every other ship i have for it
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo Cheat setups! You're as clueless as you appear in most your posts?
You've yet to show one of those "sensible" fabled omgwtftank setups the "other" races have that the devoter can't do just as well (or better).
Do you fit several EM hardners on Vagabonds just to give it high effective hitpoits vs Amarr Doomsday and then claim is as doomsdayproof to make people think the vaga has 150k hitpoints+?
Well, thats what Cpt Branko did above. Can you even read this thread? If that is not a cheat setup, then I ask you to name a single killmail where someone fits several explosive hardners where explosive is highist resist in pvp?
You really are as clueless as KIAEddz
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:14:56 All these people saying Devoter does not need to do damage.
When you devoter is scrambling a titan, and a enemy cruiser shoots/neuts you, what exactly are you going to do? Tank the damage and hope cap lasts or blow the enemy away?
Why do Interdictors fit weapons if they dont need to? Why does HIC class have damage bonus if they dont need it?
Devoter has SERIOUS problems due to one thing and one thing alone - Lasers. Devoter without weapons - fine. Devoter with weapons = Lol. If devoter could use missiles it would be fine. In fact, other HIC's without guns are OMG. Devoter is a dull fart.
Gentlemen, as you can clearly see, Devoter is Gimped with lasers. Its Damage bonus should be removed and replaced with something better and viable.
Either NERF Oynx/Broadsword or Boost Devoter to compete with them
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 10/01/2008 10:20:30
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 03:33:06
Originally by: Antithysis Asshat Setup -Anti
Except you use Focused Pulse.
You guys are all picking out cheat setups so you can either
1. Fit Dual MAR/MWD/Booster/Plates at the expese of smaller powered weapons etc 2. Fit Cheat DD tank setups against a single DD type
You guys using cheat setups to divert the issue from the correct action - that heavy pulse Devoter setups lack grid, and that unless you use focused pulse or frig/civillian weapons, you cannot get the tank of other hic's, such as Oynx or Bradsword. People use heavy pulse which is the standard for amarr medium laser pilots. But you know that would mean I am correct, therefore you run this charade.
AHHAHAHAHAHHA HAX HAX HAX, DEV, BOB, XPLOIT
edit: try fitting a phobos with a similar setup you suggested... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
But something is obviously broken. Either the focused pulses, ie main part of our weaponry, or the pg of our hic when compared to what other hics can fit. Something is wrong.
You CANNOT fit a dual rep tank+MWD+highest tier guns (neutrons)+interdiction module on a phobos at all. It just won't fit.
It is possible to fit heavy pulses on the Amarr one, but then no plate, or no dual rep, or some sacrifice can be mode; it's possible, though, w/out fitting mods or rigs. On a Phobos, it is simply NOT possible.
The Amarr HIC is SO easier to fit.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:31:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
You really are as clueless as KIAEddz
blah blah.
(a) You want highest tier guns, MWD, dual reps, cap injector, plate, interdiction module w/out sacrificing anything. This is not possible. Want a hefty tank? Then forget highest-tier guns or forget dual mars or something.
(b) Give me a HIC that can fit the biggest guns of its race with a MWD, cap injector and a dual MAR setup (although, if you want to survive doomsdays, dual MARs are stupid, you want plates). Amarr can actually do this w/out fitting mods and a named injector/MWD, unlike, say, gallente. A poster above showed you the fit.
(c) stacking extenders versus a specific damage type is hardly cheating, unless you think you go after titans unprepared
(d) A poster above has shown you a 1600 plate setup which will take any doomsday. Then you cry that it's got lowest-tier guns. Well, *all* of the HICs need lowest-tier guns for 1600 RT plate setups, and some of them need grid rigs/implants which the Amarr one doesn't.
(e) You don't PvP anyway, why does it bother you? It's not like you'll run into a titan, ever.
(f) You are trolling.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
But something is obviously broken. Either the focused pulses, ie main part of our weaponry, or the pg of our hic when compared to what other hics can fit. Something is wrong.
You CANNOT fit a dual rep tank+MWD+highest tier guns (neutrons)+interdiction module on a phobos at all. It just won't fit.
It is possible to fit heavy pulses on the Amarr one, but then no plate, or no dual rep, or some sacrifice can be mode; it's possible, though, w/out fitting mods or rigs. On a Phobos, it is simply NOT possible.
The Amarr HIC is SO easier to fit.
And with that setup you dont have to light up your signature with +550% to start fending off ships that are most likely faster than you...like...teeeeeh phooobooos!
These lasers track nano boats just fine.... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:38:51 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:38:19 You guys must be idiots.
I have never once mentioned the Phobos as a goalpost as the phobous has fitting problems as well.
Yet you compare a cripple to a cripple.
I am saying the Amarr man is handicap because he has 1 arm. You are saying Phobos would WISH to have the 2 Legs Amarr Man has as phobous has 1 leg.
What a bunch of morons you guys are. You should be comparing something that WORKS with something that DOES NOT. Compare a cripple to a health Oynx or Broadsword which dont have these problems.
You guys want the 1 armed amarr man to chop his leg off to be same as 1 legged phobos man problems?
Or shouldent CCP fix The HIC's prenerf?
I have YET to see you complain about Broadsword/Oynx. Therefore I call you a troll as you have done nothing which discusses the problems of Devoters as defined in the OP. The problem is Lasers, if you havent guessed.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:41:43
Originally by: Cpt Branko
(a) You want highest tier guns, MWD, dual reps, cap injector, plate, interdiction module w/out sacrificing anything. This is not possible. Want a hefty tank? Then forget highest-tier guns or forget dual mars or something.
Actually - it is you insisting on this. I have never said it should have that. In fact, dual reps make it hard to DD proof Devoter, which defeats the point I am making. Devoter needs to be DD proff, able to defend itself and have a rep. It cannot rely on injectors due to laggy supercap battles taking multiple hours +
All you are saying is like telling a 1 armed man to chop his leg off so he can put in it in arm socket if he wants 2 arms. Yet you never question the reason why the arm was missing.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.10 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 10/01/2008 11:00:35
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:38:51 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 10:38:19 You guys must be idiots.
I have never once mentioned the Phobos as a goalpost as the phobous has fitting problems as well.
Yet you compare a cripple to a cripple.
I am saying the Amarr man is handicap because he has 1 arm. You are saying Phobos would WISH to have the 2 Legs Amarr Man has as phobous has 1 leg.
What a bunch of morons you guys are. You should be comparing something that WORKS with something that DOES NOT. Compare a cripple to a health Oynx or Broadsword which dont have these problems.
You guys want the 1 armed amarr man to chop his leg off to be same as 1 legged phobos man problems?
Or shouldent CCP fix The HIC's prenerf?
I have YET to see you complain about Broadsword/Oynx. Therefore I call you a troll as you have done nothing which discusses the problems of Devoters as defined in the OP. The problem is Lasers, if you havent guessed.
Ok compare cripple with cripple? Lets compare the eris with the heretic...
You should stop whining. I dont mind the caldari and minmatar ships having a far better HP tank. Thats because of passive shieldtanking. Why should every ship have the same tank?
Fact:
- A tiny percent actually uses these to tackle titans - These ships need to resist damage over a longer time, not have insane ammounts of HP, its nice, but its not necessary. - If amarr and gallente gets something better, it will make them better than minmatar and caldari
Serieusly. A decent phobos fit uses the low damage and ultra shortranged electron blasters. Why whine about it? Its cool being up close to targets and kill them in the face. (even when doing crap damage) Enjoy the game more, dont be such a whiny ***** and compare everything and whine that you cannot play the game cause you tank a bit less dps, which you actually dont... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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zorgluba
Doom Guard
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:00:00 -
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I don't fly amarr. I don't wanna EFT this other did and i'm looking at their numbers. I know that in EvE you just can't fit superior damage AND superior tank at the same time. If you are fitting specifically to tank a doomsday (I think the thread derailed and only focused on that in the end), well calculations has been done : You can. Not only can you but with dual rep, mwd and guns fitted (maybe lower damage guns but STILL !).
You can fit this ship to perma tank and perma scram any titan ... isn't that enough already ?
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Neon Razor
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Razor on 10/01/2008 11:10:22 Super cap scraming
4x FMP ll 1x warp dist field gen
1x medium electrochemical 1x web ll 1x 10mn mwd
1x med repper ll 1x EM hardener ll 1x them hardener ll 1x kinetic hardener ll 1x EANM ll 1x Suitcase ll
1x thermic rig 1x CCC
without the MWD running can run everything only using 200 charges in the booster this setup can tank any DD blast with my skills: 115k EM 90.5k Therm 127k Kin 125k exp
if you are taking on a titan i should hope that cap/ armor reppers are going to be the least of your problem as it is you keeping the titan inplace so you should have atleast a few remote reps on you from you capitol support. with a DD blast as it is instant damage you do not need your rep running constant so my setup does not need the charges the charges are only there for running the repper.
yes i do have 1-5 slave implants to get them effective hp if i remove them i get: 97k em 77k therm 107k kin 108k exp
wow a ship with no faction mods and no implants that can tank all 4 DD blasts overpowerd my arse
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:09:00 -
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Hey, Jojo.
Open your eyes, tell me what do you see! HICs holding down titans, or zooming away. You want so much now You don't give much back You don't even realize were watching your back So take our advice, or go take your own. 'cause with begging for bufzorz your all on your own!
but srsly, it IS possible. You want a mwd? The guy (in an onyx) who held down Shrike in that massive lagfest had no mwd. Sure he was a passive tank and all, but there are certain differences between amarr and caldari. I don't think any other HIC would be toping damage meters, so I dont see a reason for the devoter to change that trend.
Perma running a MAR w/o a booster is easy, but also fitting to have over 75k+ effective HP is a we bit hard on anything thats active tanked.
In short, stop lamenting over crap damage output and get your ass on the line and go pin down someone's MOM (I mean seriously, they were made to hold down capships, not pew pew them untill they died)
(Song thing was made with the deranged mind of someone who cant sleep and like 3 diffrent song tunes in one )
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Razor 4x FMP ll 1x warp dist field gen
1x medium electrochemical 1x web ll 1x 10mn mwd
1x med repper ll 1x EM hardener ll 1x them hardener ll 1x kinetic hardener ll 1x EANM ll 1x Suitcase ll
1x thermic rig 1x CCC
without the MWD running can run everything only using 200 charges in the booster this setup can tank any DD blast with my skills: 115k EM 90.5k Therm 127k Kin 125k exp
if you are taking on a titan i should hope that cap/ armor reppers are going to be the least of your problem as it is you keeping the titan inplace so you should have atleast a few remote reps on you from you capitol support. with a DD blast as it is instant damage you do not need your rep running constant so my setup does not need the charges the charges are only there for running the repper.
yes i do have 1-5 slave implants to get them effective hp if i remove them i get: 97k em 77k therm 107k kin 108k exp
wow a ship with no faction mods and no implants that can tank all 4 DD blasts overpowerd my arse
Next JoJo the troll will tell you it must fit biggest tier guns too
Wait, I think they actually fit on that setup. Omg.
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:12:00 -
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THIS IS A TROLL, STOP FEEDING THE TROLL
Before i get moderated to hell and back, realize the OP is in itself a troll.
yeah, i went there, there is no spoon
"one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo When you devoter is scrambling a titan, and a enemy cruiser shoots/neuts you, what exactly are you going to do? Tank the damage and hope cap lasts or blow the enemy away?
I dunno... I'd ask my FC to call him primary
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Neon Razor
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:23:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Next JoJo the troll will tell you it must fit biggest tier guns too [:lol:
Wait, I think they actually fit on that setup. Omg.
im scramming a titan or MS which is being ponded on by multiple dreads i dont think they will miss a bit of dps. if you not planning on scramming a MS/TITAN there are fits that also do alot of dps such as below:
4x heavy pulse ll 1x warp dist field gen
10mn mwd web medium electro chemical
2x med armor rep 2x eanm ll 1x heat sink ll 1x cap power relay
2x rep amount rigs
does 275 dps and tanks 621 dps
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:49:00 -
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The smartest thing Jojo did is creating this alt to post with. It saves his main a lot of embarrassment.
That's even if his main ever actually does anything pvp related besides sitting in front of EFT and dreaming of things he might theoretically do. But then he realizes he's good for nothing and whines on the forums.
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Crystal Frost
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:50:00 -
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A setup for the whiney little Jonny 'Waahhh I can't play my race so I want it on god mode" JoJo.
Here's a setup for you to cry about.
Highs: 4x Med PL II 1x WDFG
Meds: 10MN MWD II Sensor Booster II Med Cap Booster II (400s)
Lows: DC II EANM II ETM II 1600 RT 3x HS II
Effective armor of about 60k. All armor resists 80+. Al tech 2 Medium Pulse. No reps... you're a fleet ship, get remote rep'd. Running out of Cap? You're a fleet ship, have support do it's just. Need more whine? I doubt it, I'm sure you have enough to spare.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: burek The smartest thing Jojo did is creating this alt to post with. It saves his main a lot of embarrassment.
That's even if his main ever actually does anything pvp related besides sitting in front of EFT and dreaming of things he might theoretically do. But then he realizes he's good for nothing and whines on the forums.
Well, I never found JoJo on any of the killboards I googled, so I think he never actually does anything except EFT PvP.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:14:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:15:10
Originally by: Crystal Frost A setup for the whiney little Jonny 'Waahhh I can't play my race so I want it on god mode" JoJo.
Here's a setup for you to cry about.
Highs: 4x Med PL II 1x WDFG
Meds: 10MN MWD II Sensor Booster II Med Cap Booster II (400s)
Lows: DC II EANM II ETM II 1600 RT 3x HS II
Effective armor of about 60k. All armor resists 80+. Al tech 2 Medium Pulse. No reps... you're a fleet ship, get remote rep'd. Running out of Cap? You're a fleet ship, have support do it's just. Need more whine? I doubt it, I'm sure you have enough to spare.
You are aware that medium pulse lasers are....
Frig weapons and HIC's cannot be remote repped when using bubble/focus scram?
here come the Clue train.... last stop is you!
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:16:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Ishina Fel
Originally by: Jonny JoJo When you devoter is scrambling a titan, and a enemy cruiser shoots/neuts you, what exactly are you going to do? Tank the damage and hope cap lasts or blow the enemy away?
I dunno... I'd ask my FC to call him primary
"FC" Can you call Enirjar Fighter Drone prmary?
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:17:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Neon Razor
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Next JoJo the troll will tell you it must fit biggest tier guns too [:lol:
Wait, I think they actually fit on that setup. Omg.
im scramming a titan or MS which is being ponded on by multiple dreads i dont think they will miss a bit of dps. if you not planning on scramming a MS/TITAN there are fits that also do alot of dps such as below:
4x heavy pulse ll 1x warp dist field gen
10mn mwd web medium electro chemical
2x med armor rep 2x eanm ll 1x heat sink ll 1x cap power relay
2x rep amount rigs
does 275 dps and tanks 621 dps
Titan activates doomsday. You die. Oynx/Broadsword pilots laugh and keep locks on.
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Twilight Mourning
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:15:10
Originally by: Crystal Frost A setup for the whiney little Jonny 'Waahhh I can't play my race so I want it on god mode" JoJo.
Here's a setup for you to cry about.
Highs: 4x Focused Med PL II 1x WDFG
Meds: 10MN MWD II Sensor Booster II Med Cap Booster II (400s)
Lows: DC II EANM II ETM II 1600 RT 3x HS II
Effective armor of about 60k. All armor resists 80+. Al tech 2 Medium Pulse. No reps... you're a fleet ship, get remote rep'd. Running out of Cap? You're a fleet ship, have support do it's just. Need more whine? I doubt it, I'm sure you have enough to spare.
You are aware that medium pulse lasers are....
Frig weapons and HIC's cannot be remote repped when using bubble/focus scram?
here come the Clue train.... last stop is you!
Fixed, forgot the focused part. =)
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Neon Razor
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Razor on 10/01/2008 12:20:00
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Neon Razor
im scramming a titan or MS which is being ponded on by multiple dreads i dont think they will miss a bit of dps. if you not planning on scramming a MS/TITAN there are fits that also do alot of dps such as below:
Titan activates doomsday. You die. Oynx/Broadsword pilots laugh and keep locks on.
Please read before posting
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 12:24:21
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
You are aware that medium pulse lasers are....
Frig weapons
FAIL. NOW GO TROLL UNDER A TREE. I'D EXPECT A AMARRIAN TO KNOW THAT FOCUSED MEDIUM PULSES ARE CRUISER WEAPONS AND IN FACT TRACK THE NANOSHIPS YOU LIKE TO TROLL ABOUT.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Razor Edited by: Neon Razor on 10/01/2008 11:10:22 Super cap scraming
4x FMP ll 1x warp dist field gen
1x medium electrochemical 1x web ll 1x 10mn mwd
1x med repper ll 1x EM hardener ll 1x them hardener ll 1x kinetic hardener ll 1x EANM ll 1x Suitcase ll
1x thermic rig 1x CCC
without the MWD running can run everything only using 200 charges in the booster this setup can tank any DD blast with my skills: 115k EM 90.5k Therm 127k Kin 125k exp
if you are taking on a titan i should hope that cap/ armor reppers are going to be the least of your problem as it is you keeping the titan inplace so you should have atleast a few remote reps on you from you capitol support. with a DD blast as it is instant damage you do not need your rep running constant so my setup does not need the charges the charges are only there for running the repper.
yes i do have 1-5 slave implants to get them effective hp if i remove them i get: 97k em 77k therm 107k kin 108k exp
wow a ship with no faction mods and no implants that can tank all 4 DD blasts overpowerd my arse
Firstly, your setup FAILS in EFT to tank any doomsday. Looks like making numbers up = WIN.
Secondly, your setup FAILS in real world - It has only enough cap for 1 minute with MWD off, oncec oyu run out of boosters. And if you tackled titans, expect at least half an hour of battle.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 12:26:44
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Wrong again.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:27:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 12:24:21
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
You are aware that medium pulse lasers are....
Frig weapons
FAIL. NOW GO TROLL UNDER A TREE. I'D EXPECT A AMARRIAN TO KNOW THAT FOCUSED MEDIUM PULSES ARE CRUISER WEAPONS AND IN FACT TRACK THE NANOSHIPS YOU LIKE TO TROLL ABOUT.
Dude, you are a idiot - Read the post - he put down frig weapons, he even admitted as such in a follow up post. Medium Pulse lasers are frig guns. Look up market and type it in.
He even had the CHEEK to edit my reply to him to change his setup. Just read my original reply which is unedited.
He still beleives that HIC's can be remote repped when in scram/bubble mode.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.10 12:29:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Blah blah
Look, mate, we know you're just here to troll ships and modules. People have given you setups, you have given us whinage and idiocy.
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