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Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:30:00 - [91] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:31:26 Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jonny JoJo Blah blah Look, mate, we know you're just here to troll ships and modules. People have given you setups, you have given us whinage and idiocy. This is a forum to discuss setups. So far, nobody can find a Devoter setup that is competitive to oynx/broadsword for thier intended role of supercap scrambling. This is because of broken laser fitting. If Devoter was a missile boat, there would be none of these problems. You just go on about Phobos - make your own thread - this one if for Devoter as it has to fit civillian guns to be competitive with Oynx/broadsword Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:36:00 - [92] what the hell? is this a troll post? do I see JoJo wanting to do DAMAGE with the devoter, or am I just seeing things? wait, it's JoJo, nvmind. --- planetary interaction idea!
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:36:00 - [93] devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:36:00 - [94] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 12:37:23 Originally by: Jonny JoJo This is because of broken laser fitting. If Devoter was a missile boat, there would be none of these problems. Ehem, people have given you the 1600 RT plate setup with MWD, FMPs and everything which can tank a doomsday and you conveniently choose to ignore it, because you just want to troll and whine about Amarr. In fact, the Amarr HIC definitely does a better job then the Phobos which has to use electron blasters which do utter crap DPS and at <2km range. So it's definitely not a laser issue of any sort. You are not discussing ships (since you are very likely far from flying a HIC, I cannot find a record of you PvP-ing anywhere), you are purposefully trying to troll ships and modules to prove that Amarr are horrible, where in the HIC department they definitely don't have problems. Rifters!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:41:00 - [95] Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. --- planetary interaction idea!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:49:00 - [96] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:50:08 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:49:20 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. Its like using Heavy assaults on raven, however you guys would beleive that to be viable. If the argument is that it does not need damage, then CCP need to remove damage bonus from ship and give it a proper one for its intended role. I sure love these theoretical anti-titan setups, because they sure last a minute once devoters small cargo bay of chargers run out. Nobody posting a setup that can lock down a devoter vs supercap for more than 5-10 minutes? Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:50:00 - [97] Edited by: Grimpak on 10/01/2008 12:50:26 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:49:20 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. If the argument is that it does not need damage, then CCP need to remove damage bonus from ship and give it a proper one for its intended role. I sure love these theoretical anti-titan setups, because they sure last a minute once devoters small cargo bay of chargers run out. Nobody posting a setup that can lock down a devoter vs supercap for more than 5-10 minutes? and can the other HIC's do the same thing? think not. to tackle a titan you need multiple HIC's. and if you have a carrier on the scene even better. --- planetary interaction idea!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:51:00 - [98] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:49:20 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. If the argument is that it does not need damage, then CCP need to remove damage bonus from ship and give it a proper one for its intended role. I sure love these theoretical anti-titan setups, because they sure last a minute once devoters small cargo bay of chargers run out. Nobody posting a setup that can lock down a devoter vs supercap for more than 5-10 minutes? and does the other HIC's can do the same thing? Yes. Other hics can tank titan doomsday and keep it scrambled for more than 10 mins. Phobos might have problems though, but oynx/broadsword no probs. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:54:00 - [99] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 12:49:20 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor devoter setup i apolgize in my original setup i forgot to write down the 1600 plate fitted and that is why it had 1 spair low slot then JoJo will come saying FMP's suck and shouldn't be there and stuff. I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. If the argument is that it does not need damage, then CCP need to remove damage bonus from ship and give it a proper one for its intended role. I sure love these theoretical anti-titan setups, because they sure last a minute once devoters small cargo bay of chargers run out. Nobody posting a setup that can lock down a devoter vs supercap for more than 5-10 minutes? and does the other HIC's can do the same thing? Yes. Other hics can tank titan doomsday and keep it scrambled for more than 10 mins. Phobos might have problems though, but oynx/broadsword no probs. show me then. --- planetary interaction idea!
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:56:00 - [100] ok since i can fly a devoter and onyx i have put both through EFT to see what i come up with. Devoter effective hp: em 120k therm 77k kin 162k exp 130k devoter dps = 162 cap stable aslong as 200 charges are available Onyx effective hp: 109k EM 160k therm 102k kin 76k exp dps= 161 cap stable both setups have mwd fitted but turned off. onyx compared to devoter There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.

Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:01:00 - [101] with the onyx with HAM ll's and faction ammo it does 162dps There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:02:00 - [102] Originally by: Jonny JoJo I dont need to say FMP's suck. We all know they do. Its like using Heavy assaults on raven, It is not. Heavy assaults are cruiser-sized weapons, Raven is a BS-sized ship. FMPs are cruiser-sized weapons, just lowest-tier ones. Just like heavy electron blasters and D180mm ACs, their DPS is a bit meh; they get preety good tracking to compensate though and have preety decent range. All ships in the game must make sacrifices (typically, a fitting mod plus having AWU trained) to fill a full rack of highest-tier short-range weapons together with all the essentials. As a rule, it is impossible to fit for a full tank and fit the highest tier guns. I mean, really. Cross-train a bit and see how easy the high DPS weapon systems are fitting-wise across all the races and you'll learn a bit about the game. Rifters!
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:19:00 - [103] I wonder if deleting the whole Amarr race would make Jonny JoJo go away... Might be worth it... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:25:00 - [104] Originally by: Neon Razor with the onyx with HAM ll's and faction ammo it does 162dps amazingly, the same as the devoter with FMP and faction MF --- planetary interaction idea!
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:26:00 - [105] Jonny JoJo this setup is just for you. it does more dps than an onyx has more effective hp than an onyx JoJo can you find a fault with this setup its a setup thats cap stable has a mwd can tank all 4 titan DD blasts does better damage than a onyx with HAM's and can scram a titan for over 10 mins well aslong as you need it to There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:27:00 - [106] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor with the onyx with HAM ll's and faction ammo it does 162dps amazingly, the same as the devoter with FMP and faction MF that was with faction gamma does 176 with MF There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:32:00 - [107] Originally by: Neon Razor Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Neon Razor with the onyx with HAM ll's and faction ammo it does 162dps amazingly, the same as the devoter with FMP and faction MF that was with faction gamma does 176 with MF oh yeah my mistake --- planetary interaction idea!
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:39:00 - [108] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Ishina Fel Originally by: Jonny JoJo When you devoter is scrambling a titan, and a enemy cruiser shoots/neuts you, what exactly are you going to do? Tank the damage and hope cap lasts or blow the enemy away? I dunno... I'd ask my FC to call him primary "FC" Can you call Enirjar Fighter Drone prmary? 1. "That's an Einherji, a Minmatar fighter used by carriers", to use a popular format. Not a cruiser with neuts. Though I suppose some carrier pilots would be happy if they could morph their fighters into neut cruisers as effortlessly as you do it the other way around. 2. Actually, the correct form would be "Get the freaking support wing on keeping my ass clean, wtf are they doing shooting the titan?" 3. Your last four posts fail exceptionally hard. Oh boy, I love arguing with people who troll themselves! Keep em coming, FailJo!
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:46:00 - [109] please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:55:00 - [110] Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)

Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:59:00 - [111] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? --- planetary interaction idea!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:00:00 - [112] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:02:00 Originally by: Grimpak show me then. oh and totally forgot. I'm with the understanding that by "tanking a titan for 10 minutes" means tanking a DDD for 10 minutes? you can only shoot a DDD once each 1 hour. Taking a DDD blast is a requirement, and on top, the shortest time a Titan has ever been killed is 10 mins, so it would need enough cap to lock titan down for at least 10 mins. More realistically, a couple of hours, as was seen in the shrike incident which took over 3 and a half hours, and invovled 3 doomsdays during that period. I am not sure where you got a 10minute DD, however I assume you made it up to act hard in front of your internet forum friends Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:01:00 - [113] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? Without MWD. Sometimes you need a 1 cycle of MWD if target is getting out of range due to a bump or if you get bumped or whatever. Locking a titan down for 2 hours you can expect to get out of range though no fault of your own. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:04:00 - [114] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. that was because i was using thermic dmg as that is the devoters lowest resist to test to see if it would tank a dd i could have posted the same pic but with exp dmage then then i could have said the onyx has 50% less HP if you put them both on uniform dmg then the effective hp's are: 93090 effictive hp for devoter 101549 effective hp for onyx There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:06:00 - [115] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? Without MWD. Sometimes you need a 1 cycle of MWD if target is getting out of range due to a bump or if you get bumped or whatever. Locking a titan down for 2 hours you can expect to get out of range though no fault of your own. a non-mwd'ing HIC moves faster than a titan. even with the WDFG on. unless you're meaning that I should stay put? "but I will be webbed". then get your support on the guy that is webbing you. also having a single HIC engaging a titan is pretty much pointless, as you would be pretty much wtfbbq'ed by the support, no matter how good is your tank. --- planetary interaction idea!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:06:00 - [116] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Well, at least it isn't using electron blasters like the Phobos, with their omg-imba 2km range... HAMs pay for the somewhat bigger range with smaller DPS and other inherent flaws that missiles have. There is absolutely no reason to get within smartbomb range of a titan in any HIC. Originally by: Jonny JoJo Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. First off, you're the EFT warrior. I haven't menaged to find any killboards involving you, so my guess is that you PvP against NPCs a lot. Basically, proof or stfu if you're calling on your PvP experience. Secondly, stop playing EFT with all modules on. My minmatar ships cap out after a minute and a half typically in EFT and practically never in RL situations because there's no real need to run all modules all the time. It's not a Amarr issue, you see, you are playing EFT wrong. Rifters!
Neon Razor Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:11:00 - [117] Edited by: Neon Razor on 10/01/2008 14:11:08 Originally by: Jonny JoJo If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. and what happens to the onyx if it does the same then it also caps out the onyx is less cap stable then the devoter build i stated There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:22:00 - [118] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:31:52 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:23:40 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? Without MWD. Sometimes you need a 1 cycle of MWD if target is getting out of range due to a bump or if you get bumped or whatever. Locking a titan down for 2 hours you can expect to get out of range though no fault of your own. a non-mwd'ing HIC moves faster than a titan. even with the WDFG on. unless you're meaning that I should stay put? "but I will be webbed". then get your support on the guy that is webbing you. also having a single HIC engaging a titan is pretty much pointless, as you would be pretty much wtfbbq'ed by the support, no matter how good is your tank. You and a gang have hostile titan locked down. This is what is going to happen. You will get smartbombed. Not in smartbomb range you will get ECM drones etc on you - you shoot these with your guns. You will get doomsdaysed. You tank this. And a hostile carrier will warp to titan at 0 in a direction that works best with the bubbles around. Otherwise they hostile titan will get MWD fleet to bump him. A carrer bumb to a non-fully bubble surrounded titan can easaly bump him 50km away. That is where you need mwd burst, as not all the HIC's on titan will still have lock, and as you say so youself, having 1 HIC on titan is silly, so you need to get lock back asap. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:32:00 - [119] Utterly wrong. I believe that as i was the first hictor to tackle shrike, i can safel put my knowledge here. If you tackle a titan, you'll have roughly 10 minutes of being able to go afk. The lag will most likely be that bad. In those 10 minutes, you wont even be locked. After that, you might get one or two locks on you. Nothing worthwhile. As for bumping? You wish. The server cant accept commands for 10 minutes at a time...what hope is there to successfully bump? All you need to do is orbit the titan at 500m, with the wdfg on. Thats all. MWD is nice to get into range, but not needed. If youre fighting a titan, you should have a warp in point anyway, so best to focus on ure tank. Sorry jonny, but the Devoter is fine, as are all the Hictors. Each have their strengths and weaknesses. Onyx + Broadsword are great vs capitals and titans. Phobos and Devoter are great for small roaming gangs. Thats just how it works.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:49:00 - [120] Edited by: Grimpak on 10/01/2008 14:50:43 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:31:52 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 14:23:40 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Neon Razor please boost Onyx it does less dmg with HAM's than a devoter does with its smallest guns devoter is overpowered and needs to be nerfed to bring it into line with the other HIC's even though i hate using EFT to prove things i think i have proven that a devoter can have a cap stable setup that can tank all 4 titans and do good dps and even though some people will still try to say that onyx and broadsword are alot better then numbers do not lie. then again all this talk about being cap neutral is not worth the time spent writing about as you are going to get nossed. Except that the Devoter has almost 25% less effective hitpoints and has to shoot in smartbomb range. Thats 80% range reduction over the Oynx. Thats the problem with you people trying to use EFT to prove things. I am stating real world facts and useing EFT to back it up. If so much as a small neut from a frig get placed on that devoter, or the devoter needs to cycle a mwd 5-10mins inst scrambling a titan - its cap collapses. but considering that a mwd in a HIC is useless unless you're using the scripted WDFG, wich would make you a prime target to jamming, why having the mwd burning anyways, unless you're in focussed mode? Without MWD. Sometimes you need a 1 cycle of MWD if target is getting out of range due to a bump or if you get bumped or whatever. Locking a titan down for 2 hours you can expect to get out of range though no fault of your own. a non-mwd'ing HIC moves faster than a titan. even with the WDFG on. unless you're meaning that I should stay put? "but I will be webbed". then get your support on the guy that is webbing you. also having a single HIC engaging a titan is pretty much pointless, as you would be pretty much wtfbbq'ed by the support, no matter how good is your tank. You and a gang have hostile titan locked down. This is what is going to happen. You will get smartbombed. Not in smartbomb range you will get ECM drones etc on you - you shoot these with your guns. You will get doomsdaysed. You tank this. And a hostile carrier will warp to titan at 0 in a direction that works best with the bubbles around. Otherwise they hostile titan will get MWD fleet to bump him. A carrer bumb to a non-fully bubble surrounded titan can easaly bump him 50km away. That is where you need mwd burst, as not all the HIC's on titan will still have lock, and as you say so youself, having 1 HIC on titan is silly, so you need to get lock back asap. then it's not you that fails, is the entire gang, since they based themselves arround a single HIC and even only HIC's for that matter. you can still use interdictors vs titans oh and a carrier can't do that cuz the WDFG, non scripted works like a regular bubble, so the carrier will warp to the edge of your WDFG radious. oh and smartbombs? every HIC can tank smartbombs, even officer ones. --- planetary interaction idea!



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