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TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:07:00 - [541] Originally by: xRazoRx Sry, i must have mistaken you with smashkill. lulz No worries. Oh, BTW: Damn you, thats why i cant find any drones in my sector... ;) Good luck and have fun! and remember Wherever you go... There you are...
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:14:00 - [542] Edited by: xRazoRx on 15/01/2008 23:14:14 -who are you? -a farmer -and you? -im a smith -WHO ARE YOU SPARTANS? -untranslatable warcy ¬ i dont remember exact text, though.
Cazius Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:20:00 - [543] Originally by: xRazoRx Edited by: xRazoRx on 15/01/2008 23:14:14 -who are you? -a farmer -and you? -im a smith -WHO ARE YOU SPARTANS? -untranslatable warcy ¬ i dont remember exact text, though. indeed very *****. What's next? A klingon battlecry? ------------------------------------------- harharharharharharharharharharharharhar I'm no pirate bit ches, I'm Rick James.
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:38:00 - [544] Originally by: Magnabyte A Titan project is something you keep pretty secret, and I'm just a normal guy whorats and helps out when we have hostiles. Personally I don't see why you have to take our space since the majority of DMC hasn't done anything to you other than retaliate against an attack by the closest thing we have to a next door neibour. Why this couldn't have been settled with words i don't really know, since Ka tet did strike first, and RA said they would protect the whole region from attack, so surely it sohuld have ether stoped it from the off, or let it carry on without interfearing. Still, this is me, I'm pesamistic, and I'm sure our CEO's had their reasons at the time, and that hind sight is both a gift and a curse but still, it would have been nice if RA had risen thier concern with us first, cos I'm sure it could have been sorted out without ending up with such a massive lag fest where no one can have any fun PvPing unless you have a supercomputer with a broadband exchange hooked up to it. sigh Still, I must stress that this is just my feelings, and that thier not really worth considering since I'm a no body, but if any of you RA guys agree with me, maybe you could sit back down at the diplomacy table and see if their isn't a fair and mutually benificial way to solve this, so that we can get back to ratting, and you can get back to killing BoB, which your very good at so I hear....... sry our best diplo is 1400mm T2 and his older brother Gjallarhorn
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:50:00 - [545] Edited by: BuIIseye on 15/01/2008 23:51:23 Originally by: xRazoRx Edited by: xRazoRx on 15/01/2008 23:14:14 -who are you? -a farmer -and you? -im a smith -WHO ARE YOU SPARTANS? -untranslatable warcy ¬ i dont remember exact text, though. So basicly what your saying in this 300's analogy is that you are killing off the athenians before you even get to fight with the persians ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:05:00 - [546] Originally by: Yosarian RA's long term plan appears in plain view. The logical step now would be for DMC to put aside prior grievances and ally with the Northern Coalition, and for the northern coalition to ally with the BoB and the Alliance. A war against RA + Southern Coalition would be much better fought on 2 fronts, the window for doing that will close. The longer the wait, the worse it gets. Morsus Mihi doesn't profess to speak for anyone in the north other than itself, but I can assure you that we would never align ourselves with BoB against RA. From our perspective, it'll just have to get worse. I sympathize with DMC's plight. It's a crap situation and it is hard for me to see where they did anything other than deal with people above board and honorably (their CEO's local chat meltdown excepted, of course). "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Flaming Butterfly	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:06:00 - [547] So Ka-Pet attacks DMC so that DMC will turn to big mother RA capitulating to it's demands for a damn near free titan -at no time has KY been mentioned- but Atlas and CI being good neighbors defend DMC from Ka-Pet... Then Ra-Pet seeing the Ka-Pet takedown of DMC then Atlas/CI helping instead. Ra-Pet gets jealous because DMC is supposed to run to them for help, not Atlas/CI and joins in the attack going after CI and DMC, leaving Atlas for later... Then SK gets upset with the bullies kicking Atlas/CI and says lay off... This is Jerry Springer **** folks. So just WTF has been accomplished? Just pay the agreed price for the titan. It'll be really interesting if RA give terms to DMC that they can live only if they join Ka-Pet in hitting Atlas/CI.
Jonas Vinthyn Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:34:00 - [548] Edited by: Jonas Vinthyn on 16/01/2008 00:35:35 Edited by: Jonas Vinthyn on 16/01/2008 00:34:33 Originally by: Komolov I meant that since all diplomatic issues with Smash/Roadkill/Atlas/CI were resolved, DMC will be terminated as fast as it initially assumed: within few days. And after that we can return to Querious to help our allies. Unfortunately this isn't true at all and you will be tied up in dronelands for months, thanks to sovereignty mechanics (try here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=477 ). We still have a invulnerable capital system, have sov 3 in the majority of this very large region, and continue to put up towers to protect that. Saying you will be returning to help your allies in a few days is at the very least a understatement and at best is a blatant lie. I'm actually surprised you don't have pressure from your allies to return to the real war and not help your pets take over our space which they tried and couldn't do on there own. -Jonas My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc Stats!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:01:00 - [549] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 16/01/2008 01:05:17 No offense but you sound delusional, your sov 4 breaks pretty much as soon as they take a single station (1 week or sooner from when ka-tet put towers up) There's nothing stopping Ka-Tet from towering your capital system while it's still sov 4 either altho I guess best to wait to do that until the constellation sov is contested since it's 7 days anyway. Deploying emergency towers while under attack is much easier said than done, takes ages to properly set them up (and from what I've seen your old towers were horribly setup with much more time available for deployal) I'd bet on RA's ability to knock towers down over your ability at putting them up, sov 4 or no. Not easy to spam towers when system is dominated by hostiles either, there's a 30 minute period while anchoring during which you're vulnerable to hostiles setting up camp at the tower and preventing you from onlining / stronting. And of course once the first phase is over, X.I.X/Ka-Tet/ED/IRC/Ultima can do the mop-up work after RA move everything to Querious. Assuming they do move everything there, was only like a couple of their corps there to begin with and I think they left all the dreads/supercaps at home. I dunno if your allies are going to let you use their stations to base from to continue the fight once you've lost your own, no NPC stations in area... if your morale even holds together that long. http://eve.klaki.net/
Papa Digger OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:09:00 - [550] Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn We still have a invulnerable capital system, have sov 3 in the majority of this very large region, and continue to put up towers to protect that. thanks to sovereignty mechanics (try here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=477 ). RA don't know anything about POS wars. We can't read dis link cos we don't speak inglish. btw.. I heard dis earlier.. they also call themselves RISE alliance. ---- ex-CEO.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:09:00 - [551] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 16/01/2008 01:05:17 No offense but you sound delusional, your sov 4 breaks pretty much as soon as they take a single station (1 week or sooner from when ka-tet put towers up) There's nothing stopping Ka-Tet from towering your capital system while it's still sov 4 either altho I guess best to wait to do that until the constellation sov is contested since it's 7 days anyway. Deploying emergency towers while under attack is much easier said than done, takes ages to properly set them up (and from what I've seen your old towers were horribly setup with much more time available for deployal) I'd bet on RA's ability to knock towers down over your ability at putting them up, sov 4 or no. Not easy to spam towers when system is dominated by hostiles either, there's a 30 minute period while anchoring during which you're vulnerable to hostiles setting up camp at the tower and preventing you from onlining / stronting. And of course once the first phase is over, X.I.X/Ka-Tet/ED/IRC/Ultima can do the mop-up work after RA move everything to Querious. Assuming they do move everything there, was only like a couple of their corps there to begin with and I think they left all the dreads/supercaps at home. I dunno if your allies are going to let you use their stations to base from to continue the fight once you've lost your own, no NPC stations in area... if your morale even holds together that long. well spoken and pretty true. That does not mean they shouldnt try. There are many ways of combating a superiour force. Unconventional means. I can give you tips from past experiences if you like, convo me ingame. Keep up the good fight DMC. If your stations fall, use that anger. Venal is not far away and RA pets are easy kills. I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
Desdicado Caldari Svea Rike Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:18:00 - [552] Well just glad we got a few things straighten up, Ka-tet is free kills, any strong pvp alliance will find them easy pray, DMC who was noted for being a "carebear" alliance, mopped the floor whit them. If you love easy kills ka-tet is full of them happy hunting guys. RA, no if/buts or anything else. They broke all deals whit DMC 1 month after they set it up, beware!!! They have a great cap fleet and knows how to use it... ED/IRC/UR - well you joined the fun after RA stepped in...hope you get the same treatment as DMC did
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:20:00 - [553] i agree they should definitely try would be nice to be proven wrong, maybe i'm just cynical in thinking their morale will be among the first casualties and a whole lot of nothing'll follow http://eve.klaki.net/
Faekurias Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:34:00 - [554] in b4 "nevar forgive, nevar forget". Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected]
Attak Trioptimum The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:52:00 - [555] So has DMC failure cascaded yet? I see their sov dropping all over the region already, which isn't surprising considering most of their alliance would rather make isk than PVP (or have a spine). Too bad, so sad, but the Drone Region politics claim yet another victim. So goes the powerblocification of EVE. I wonder in another year if anyone will be allowed to have a war without half the galaxy pounding on your door two days into it.
Maitre Yoda Viking Clan Absolute Guardians Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:54:00 - [556] Originally by: Magnabyte A Titan project is something you keep pretty secret, and I'm just a normal guy whorats and helps out when we have hostiles. Personally I don't see why you have to take our space since the majority of DMC hasn't done anything to you other than retaliate against an attack by the closest thing we have to a next door neibour. Why this couldn't have been settled with words i don't really know, since Ka tet did strike first, and RA said they would protect the whole region from attack, so surely it sohuld have ether stoped it from the off, or let it carry on without interfearing. Still, this is me, I'm pesamistic, and I'm sure our CEO's had their reasons at the time, and that hind sight is both a gift and a curse but still, it would have been nice if RA had risen thier concern with us first, cos I'm sure it could have been sorted out without ending up with such a massive lag fest where no one can have any fun PvPing unless you have a supercomputer with a broadband exchange hooked up to it. sigh Still, I must stress that this is just my feelings, and that thier not really worth considering since I'm a no body, but if any of you RA guys agree with me, maybe you could sit back down at the diplomacy table and see if their isn't a fair and mutually benificial way to solve this, so that we can get back to ratting, and you can get back to killing BoB, which your very good at so I hear....... RA had no choice in this short of giving into DMCs demands or letting them sell those Titans to RA's enemies. So let it be a lesson to all out there:"You can't weild a Titan unless you have some balls..." _________________ Don't Panic!
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.16 03:02:00 - [557] Originally by: Maitre Yoda Originally by: Magnabyte A Titan project is something you keep pretty secret, and I'm just a normal guy whorats and helps out when we have hostiles. Personally I don't see why you have to take our space since the majority of DMC hasn't done anything to you other than retaliate against an attack by the closest thing we have to a next door neibour. Why this couldn't have been settled with words i don't really know, since Ka tet did strike first, and RA said they would protect the whole region from attack, so surely it sohuld have ether stoped it from the off, or let it carry on without interfearing. Still, this is me, I'm pesamistic, and I'm sure our CEO's had their reasons at the time, and that hind sight is both a gift and a curse but still, it would have been nice if RA had risen thier concern with us first, cos I'm sure it could have been sorted out without ending up with such a massive lag fest where no one can have any fun PvPing unless you have a supercomputer with a broadband exchange hooked up to it. sigh Still, I must stress that this is just my feelings, and that thier not really worth considering since I'm a no body, but if any of you RA guys agree with me, maybe you could sit back down at the diplomacy table and see if their isn't a fair and mutually benificial way to solve this, so that we can get back to ratting, and you can get back to killing BoB, which your very good at so I hear....... RA had no choice in this short of giving into DMCs demands or letting them sell those Titans to RA's enemies. So let it be a lesson to all out there:"You can't weild a Titan unless you have some balls..." so when was it again that they were going to sell to ra's enemies? oh and agreed with the second part. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Reax Grim Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 03:25:00 - [558] cant believe i just read all 20 pages :S
Haemophiliac	Posted - 2008.01.16 03:36:00 - [559] me too.
CkoBoPodKuH Horns and Hoofs Ltd	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:27:00 - [560] Edited by: CkoBoPodKuH on 16/01/2008 05:27:32 Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Maitre Yoda Originally by: Magnabyte A Titan project is something you keep pretty secret, ... unless you have some balls..." so when was it again that they were going to sell to ra's enemies? oh and agreed with the second part. Was'nt that new MC's ragnarok bought from DMC ?
Psorion The Nine Gates	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:37:00 - [561] Mmm.. Need More popcorn
John CSteele 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:43:00 - [562] This is a question to all the other people fighting Bob. Has RA made the kind of effort in BOB space as they have in ours, did they drop in 5 titans at any point and a 60 man cap fleet. Getting DD'ed twice in 1 day, great fun. Got screen shot off it the second time, graphics card didn't handle it too well, so it came up as a black expanding box
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.16 06:33:00 - [563] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 16/01/2008 06:34:05 Not in BoB's home regions John, so far their participation has been like 2-3 corps muckin around for a few days, then moving to fight you. They have had that kind of participation / commitment in the fight against BoB in other theaters in the recent past. (and long ago past) But obviously they've done a ridiculous amount of ** in Feythabolis etc I'm pretty sure they plan to move in force to Querious/Delve once they've got DMC situation sorted. But hey even if they don't, the bandwagon's pretty big, not everyone has to be on the front simultaneously. *ing about AAA not participating anymore or RA not making this their top priority would be, frankly ******. http://eve.klaki.net/
Tablaren Kingdom of Kador Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 06:40:00 - [564] So who are you Attak? At least we are bothering to fight, and even with these odds not giving up. But to be honest once Red Alliance decided to remove us things looked bad for us. We're under attack now by 8 alliances but are we giving up yet? No, and we are not planning to give up yet. Does this mean we suck? I hope not, but honestly how many alliances can you name that could honestly stand up to RA when they decide to do something? Too be honest despite loosing well a lot of crap :P This is honestly a great experiance for us, personally I've learned a lot from them in these short few daysand Red Alliance has given something that peacetime would never afford to us, experiance. But trying to battle against 5 titans and the 30-50ish caps I've seen in these engagements and expecting victory? I think that is asking an awful lot of us but even so we still haven't given up. We might lose our space, but noone will be able to tell us with any amount of honesty that we didn't try and I'm going to be proud to say that I've flown with a few of the guys in DMC.
Ahistaja GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 06:52:00 - [565] Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn Unfortunately this isn't true at all and you will be tied up in dronelands for months, thanks to sovereignty mechanics (try here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=477 ). We still have a invulnerable capital system, have sov 3 in the majority of this very large region, and continue to put up towers to protect that. Saying you will be returning to help your allies in a few days is at the very least a understatement and at best is a blatant lie. I'm actually surprised you don't have pressure from your allies to return to the real war and not help your pets take over our space which they tried and couldn't do on there own. -Jonas Oh dear. I'm not trying to be mean here; truly I'm not. However, I strongly suggest you revisit events that have caused others to lose Sov 4 and re-evaluate your position. For instance, once the Eye of Terror went up in the RIT triangle, RISE capitulated in a few days. If you somehow think that Red Alliance is not capable of expeditiously disassembing DMC's fighting ability, I strongly suggest you look around at the supercapitals being deployed against your PvPers and think again. I hold out hope for you folks; I really do. I hope you and your friends to contact your CEOs and alliance leaders and urge them to work toward a diplomatic solution. It doesn't help anyone to have folks needlessly have their alliances evicted from 0.0 because of a misunderstanding, after all. I don't think it's too late to change course from the most likely outcome of this conflict, and neither should you.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 07:05:00 - [566] attak is ex fergie ferge. I driks lot Originally by: Peoke this is nothing to do with dmc this is 1 of the 4 alliance under attack by red. the 4 weve sworn our lives to. SMASHKILL ATLAS CHAOS. SIMPLE
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.16 07:41:00 - [567] Originally by: Ahistaja Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn Unfortunately this isn't true at all and you will be tied up in dronelands for months, thanks to sovereignty mechanics (try here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=477 ). We still have a invulnerable capital system, have sov 3 in the majority of this very large region, and continue to put up towers to protect that. Saying you will be returning to help your allies in a few days is at the very least a understatement and at best is a blatant lie. I'm actually surprised you don't have pressure from your allies to return to the real war and not help your pets take over our space which they tried and couldn't do on there own. -Jonas Oh dear. I'm not trying to be mean here; truly I'm not. However, I strongly suggest you revisit events that have caused others to lose Sov 4 and re-evaluate your position. For instance, once the Eye of Terror went up in the RIT triangle, RISE capitulated in a few days. If you somehow think that Red Alliance is not capable of expeditiously disassembing DMC's fighting ability, I strongly suggest you look around at the supercapitals being deployed against your PvPers and think again. I hold out hope for you folks; I really do. I hope you and your friends to contact your CEOs and alliance leaders and urge them to work toward a diplomatic solution. It doesn't help anyone to have folks needlessly have their alliances evicted from 0.0 because of a misunderstanding, after all. I don't think it's too late to change course from the most likely outcome of this conflict, and neither should you. Yup, kiss some butt and if you need to know how, just ask Goons.
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.01.16 08:02:00 - [568] Originally by: Flaming Butterfly ... So just WTF has been accomplished? Just pay the agreed price for the titan. It'll be really interesting if RA give terms to DMC that they can live only if they join Ka-Pet in hitting Atlas/CI. Understand it already - RA DONT NEED TITANS above mineral price!!! RA build titans THEMSELFES!!! RA would buy titan at mineral price to prevent it going in wrong hands - but not above. ==============================================
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.16 08:15:00 - [569] Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Flaming Butterfly ... So just WTF has been accomplished? Just pay the agreed price for the titan. It'll be really interesting if RA give terms to DMC that they can live only if they join Ka-Pet in hitting Atlas/CI. Understand it already - RA DONT NEED TITANS above mineral price!!! RA build titans THEMSELFES!!! RA would buy titan at mineral price to prevent it going in wrong hands - but not above. Is that why you tried to steal them first?
WraithFire Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 08:26:00 - [570] Originally by: Flaming Butterfly So Ka-Pet attacks DMC so that DMC will turn to big mother RA capitulating to it's demands for a damn near free titan -at no time has KY been mentioned- but Atlas and CI being good neighbors defend DMC from Ka-Pet... Then Ra-Pet seeing the Ka-Pet takedown of DMC then Atlas/CI helping instead. Ra-Pet gets jealous because DMC is supposed to run to them for help, not Atlas/CI and joins in the attack going after CI and DMC, leaving Atlas for later... Then SK gets upset with the bullies kicking Atlas/CI and says lay off... This is Jerry Springer **** folks. So just WTF has been accomplished? Just pay the agreed price for the titan. It'll be really interesting if RA give terms to DMC that they can live only if they join Ka-Pet in hitting Atlas/CI. I am sorry, but DMC does not swing that way, maybe you. I believe and most DMC aswell shares this, that we would not betray Atlas and CI. We appreciate what they did and continue to do so. It is ashame that RA saw itself in a similar situation in their early days and stood with honor against their enemies. However, now their honor is gone. This RA is not the same RA as before. The RA now is stronger, but lacked the honor it once have.

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