Originally by: CCP Nozh

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If we do a change, we have to do it properly

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Originally by: Maj'k Lootar

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DMC and their newly named region is now under the protection of Trinity Corp. Any military action against them will be viewed as a direct attack on Trinity Corp.

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Originally by: Amuko

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Originally by: Maj'k Lootar

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DMC and their newly named region is now under the protection of Trinity Corp. Any military action against them will be viewed as a direct attack on Trinity Corp.

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Against the whole 3 of you eh? well daaamn.

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Originally by: Agmar

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Edited by: Agmar on 12/01/2008 15:04:03

EDIT- I love what they did with the cargo cans in that one system.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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10 isk for copyright please !

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Originally by: Jasese

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dmc have a titan ?

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Originally by: Jasese

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dmc have a titan ?

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Originally by: MINERALMAN

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Originally by: Jasese

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dmc have a titan ?

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2

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Originally by: Kindakrof

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there is no gravity in space

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Originally by: Lita Brutor

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As i can see RA is the new BoB in the game, the lie and backstab corps.
So an advise to all alliance and corps dont trust them. I hope a lot of alliance and corps joins up with DMC and help fight Russians and there pets.

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Originally by: nync

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We are glad dmc are strong and stand proud and ready to defend themselves, and with might of 2 titans to obliterate any hostile forses attacking them. they have outgrown our protection and don't need it anymore. And atacking KA-TET is another smart move from them and killing aoen class mothership. I wish them good luck and all the best.
And hearing this from DMC Ceo, I wana just say 1 thing: DIE

Platinum Dagger > eat **** ******* traders
Platinum Dagger > RA and you will DIE
Platinum Dagger > **** u

All standing are reset starting from now, you are KOS now.

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Originally by: Callie Nefarious

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Hi dmc, we gonna have some fun with ya.

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Quote:

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The higher the flight

The harder the Fall Down

The deeper the dive

The bigger the chance you¦ll drown

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Originally by: Ptinoz

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STUFF

...as you see the second local comment is 100% created by RA imagination, and that¦s also their reason to backstab someone they sworn to protect.

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Originally by: Frygok

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Edited by: Frygok on 12/01/2008 16:40:48
Erh, if that chatlog is correct, then DMC seriously needs to find another person to act as diplomat. Losing temper is like rule nr. 1 of things you do not do.

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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard

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"Run, DMC"

Always wanted to say that.

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Originally by: ShunToch

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Well I gotta put my two cents in on this one. No matter what anyone says here bout this issue the fact is that RA have turned on DMC for thier own reasons. This was after they made an agreement with DMC leadership. KA-Tet did try to move frieghters in and drop towers, or set in plac to drop towers. In either case, it is no known that RA and KA Tet can not be trusted in game. RA you scre**ed yourselves, you just dont know it yet.

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Originally by: Ptinoz

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Well, I understood that you searched for an excuse for backstabbing DMC when U can¦t buy titans at robbery price's. But why U have do not only censorship the local (sorry to say) smack - but also edit it so it both lacks context and get new statements that never was there.

I'm sorry that one of our leaders got to ****ed with the situation so he smacked a bit to much, however I do understand his anger. That said, here is the true local from the time RA creates a false reason to backstabb someone who paid them greatly just recently:

Platinum Dagger > eat sh*t f*cking traders
Tal Notts > calm down
maya ibuki2 > dont smack
Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Platinum Dagger > we gave u ** bill
Platinum Dagger > to protect us
Platinum Dagger > now u attack us
Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Vandraren > STOP TALK NOW!"!!!!
maya ibuki2 > STOP SMACKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katie Price > lol
Platinum Dagger > leave our space u dont like it
Katie Price > u gave us nothing
Tal Notts > platinum stop talking in local
maya ibuki2 > platinum shut the h*ll up
Andrast3 > NO TALKING IN LOCAL!
Platinum Dagger > planium is otr99
Platinum Dagger > so f*ck *ff
Tsal Epoh > 0_0
Katie Price > u who ??? nobody ??
Katie Price > ok
Platinum Dagger > iam DMC CEO
Platinum Dagger > u guys are a bunch of lieing pr*cks
Katie Price > sux to be u
Tsal Epoh > katie
Tsal Epoh > relax let him do his thing
Katie Price > m8
Katie Price > i`m not smacking him
Katie Price > u know
Tsal Epoh > ooo ok
Katie Price > just laughing
Platinum Dagger > iam not the one flying home in a pod
Platinum Dagger > we gave u ** bill funny i think the forums will like this
Katie Price > lol nobody care
Platinum Dagger > o yea they will hahaha
Platinum Dagger > u will see in the following days m8
Geiter > down

...as you see the second local comment is 100% created by RA imagination, and that¦s also their reason to backstab someone they sworn to protect.

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Originally by: WAuter

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... at least DMC still has it's honor and will fight to the death.
...

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Originally by: Digicomm

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AWESOME! DMC turning against thier overlord masters!

This would be a good time for those in the Drone regions to rally behind DMC btw. Ka-tet this means you.

Free yourselves of those shackles and shoot your overlards in the face!

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Originally by: Bashiri

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This is boring i thought there be some pew pew in drone region with smash.

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Originally by: Awox

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Anyone who did not see this coming is an idiot.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Dark Matter Coalition: soon to be wiped off the map (absolutely horrible, impending doom)

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Originally by: nync

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We are glad dmc are strong and stand proud and ready to defend themselves, and with might of 2 titans to obliterate any hostile forses attacking them. they have outgrown our protection and don't need it anymore. And atacking KA-TET is another smart move from them and killing aoen class mothership. I wish them good luck and all the best.
And hearing this from DMC Ceo, I wana just say 1 thing: DIE

Platinum Dagger > eat **** ******* traders
Platinum Dagger > RA and you will DIE
Platinum Dagger > **** u

All standing are reset starting from now, you are KOS now.

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Originally by: Digicomm

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overlards

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Originally by: Kindakrof

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there is no gravity in space

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Originally by: Digicomm

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AWESOME! DMC turning against thier overlord masters!

This would be a good time for those in the Drone regions to rally behind DMC btw. Ka-tet this means you.

Free yourselves of those shackles and shoot your overlards in the face!

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Thx for flatering however - u r rusians and u keep your words right?
Even that we r so strong that Ka TET now needs your help against us to threathend to give out titans - u r braking a deal! A deal we fairlly paied! U gave therms - we accepted them and payed - u now braking the deal! I am bowing to honor in your body!
However - no mater the presure - no matter what u do - u aint geting what u want
Have fun - board turns all the time

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Thx for flatering however - u r rusians and u keep your words right?

Even that we r so strong that Ka TET now needs your help against us...

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Ok long story short!

DMC got invaded by Pure - we needed help - we were not geting any! So u look up and see who u can pay!

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Originally by: Victor Vision

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Ok long story short!

DMC got invaded by Pure - we needed help - we were not geting any! So u look up and see who u can pay!

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You could not handle Pure alone and now you take on RA?
Seems strange to say the least.

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Originally by: Victor Vision

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You could not handle Pure alone and now you take on RA?
Seems strange to say the least.

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No one took it on RA - it is obviuslly who took it on who!

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Originally by: Avon

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WTB: 2xTitan, reasonable price paid.

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Originally by: KweKwe Babe

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DMC has on serveral occasions been attacked by blue allies.
On all occasions the invasion has been stopped via one method or another, the most recent being an attack by PURE where DMC purchased the 'life long' protection of RA for a considerable sum. We blued PURE and now fight with them, SMASH, MM and MH in fountain against a common goal.

While helping our allies we find yet again another Blue has intentions against DMC.
For weeks Ka-Tet were scanning out our POS'es but denying any hostile intentions. A scout confirmed a gathering Ka-Tet fleet with 2x freighters bound towards DMC space. Standings had been reset and DMC were forced to react.

Sick of being attacked by Blues DMC mustered and took our deffence to Ka-Tet space with our allies Chaos and Atlas.
There were numerous roumers that the Ka-Tet move was backed by RA simply because DMC refused to sell Titan class vessels for 40 billion. Where I come from that shouldnt even be called Sell!! Confirmed by a direct chat between me and nync.

Next thing you know RA pretend to claim that they are protecting Ka-Tet against a DMC attack. And that we sold a Titan to RA's enemies. LOL blatant BS!!
RA have completely ignored a solid contract of alligence and done nothing for themselves to EARN THE TRUST OF ANYONE IN EVE

Anyways.... flame suit on

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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter

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2 titan u say ?

wow thats is impressive

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Originally by: KweKwe Babe

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DMC has on serveral occasions been attacked by blue allies.
On all occasions the invasion has been stopped via one method or another, the most recent being an attack by PURE where DMC purchased the 'life long' protection of RA for a considerable sum. We blued PURE and now fight with them, SMASH, MM and MH in fountain against a common goal.

While helping our allies we find yet again another Blue has intentions against DMC.
For weeks Ka-Tet were scanning out our POS'es but denying any hostile intentions. A scout confirmed a gathering Ka-Tet fleet with 2x freighters bound towards DMC space. Standings had been reset and DMC were forced to react.

Sick of being attacked by Blues DMC mustered and took our deffence to Ka-Tet space with our allies Chaos and Atlas.
There were numerous roumers that the Ka-Tet move was backed by RA simply because DMC refused to sell Titan class vessels for 40 billion. Where I come from that shouldnt even be called Sell!! Confirmed by a direct chat between me and nync.

Next thing you know RA pretend to claim that they are protecting Ka-Tet against a DMC attack. And that we sold a Titan to RA's enemies. LOL blatant BS!!
RA have completely ignored a solid contract of alligence and done nothing for themselves to EARN THE TRUST OF ANYONE IN EVE

Anyways.... flame suit on

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1. If KA-TET wanted to spam poses - unproven. Fact is DMC attacked KA-TET.
2. Next thing we know - DMC allied with RA enemies (Chaos, ATLAS, some others) and attack long-term RA ally - KA-TET. Not only just roaming gangs - they atack KA-TET claiming poses.
3. Guess what? RA declared war on DMC&Co.
4. Well, at least DMC have 2 titans now - they can give them to TRI or something for protection...

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Originally by: KweKwe Babe

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DMC has on serveral occasions been attacked by blue allies.
On all occasions the invasion has been stopped via one method or another, the most recent being an attack by PURE where DMC purchased the 'life long' protection of RA for a considerable sum. We blued PURE and now fight with them, SMASH, MM and MH in fountain against a common goal.

While helping our allies we find yet again another Blue has intentions against DMC.
For weeks Ka-Tet were scanning out our POS'es but denying any hostile intentions. A scout confirmed a gathering Ka-Tet fleet with 2x freighters bound towards DMC space. Standings had been reset and DMC were forced to react.

Sick of being attacked by Blues DMC mustered and took our deffence to Ka-Tet space with our allies Chaos and Atlas.
There were numerous roumers that the Ka-Tet move was backed by RA simply because DMC refused to sell Titan class vessels for 40 billion. Where I come from that shouldnt even be called Sell!! Confirmed by a direct chat between me and nync.

Next thing you know RA pretend to claim that they are protecting Ka-Tet against a DMC attack. And that we sold a Titan to RA's enemies. LOL blatant BS!!
RA have completely ignored a solid contract of alligence and done nothing for themselves to EARN THE TRUST OF ANYONE IN EVE

Anyways.... flame suit on

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1. If KA-TET wanted to spam poses - unproven. Fact is DMC attacked KA-TET.

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Originally by: Jarvin Kell

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I just want to point out that this thread (ka-tet vs. DMC): http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=679198 has many instances of ka-tet saying they gave DMC plenty of notice before attacking and admitting to planning the attack. Ka-tet initiated this

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Originally by: Lita Brutor

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As i can see RA is the new BoB in the game, the lie and backstab corps.
So an advise to all alliance and corps dont trust them. I hope a lot of alliance and corps joins up with DMC and help fight Russians and there pets.

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Originally by: Omeega

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well well, seems those DMC guys have the same open mind spirit we found on ATUK guys few years ago.

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Originally by: Shinori

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Originally by: Jarvin Kell

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I just want to point out that this thread (ka-tet vs. DMC): http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=679198 has many instances of ka-tet saying they gave DMC plenty of notice before attacking and admitting to planning the attack. Ka-tet initiated this

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Don't know anything about this conflict, but DMC denied any RA and Titan involvement in the very same thread.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=679198&page=10#275

I wouldn't blame them for lying to get whatever ally they can onboard if that is the case. DMC made a diplomatic mistake, and from their own chat log postings, seems they are unwilling to repair it.

Everything else is just rumors and propaganda.

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I wouldn't blame them for lying to get whatever ally they can onboard if that is the case. DMC made a diplomatic mistake, and from their own chat log postings, seems they are unwilling to repair it.

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Originally by: Zellura

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Originally by: Omeega

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well well, seems those DMC guys have the same open mind spirit we found on ATUK guys few years ago.

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*RL HORSE**** POST*

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Originally by: Graalum

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Quote:

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I wouldn't blame them for lying to get whatever ally they can onboard if that is the case. DMC made a diplomatic mistake, and from their own chat log postings, seems they are unwilling to repair it.

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from my view of it, the larger chatlog was supposed to be showing that the rest of them were telling the angry guy to stfu, which is kinda like apologizing for a drunken friend who is being a dip****. Of course, if rk was in ra's place, our response would probably be 'to bad' followed by much yarrring.

General question: so it this going to be a territorial war, or just a 'few the carp out of dmc' war?

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 12/01/2008 18:32:15

Originally by: Lita Brutor

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As i can see RA is the new BoB in the game, the lie and backstab corps.
So an advise to all alliance and corps dont trust them. I hope a lot of alliance and corps joins up with DMC and help fight Russians and there pets.

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i think u will find alt guy (or turn on ur corp name etc plz), the russians have never been trustworthy.
People need to stop using this "ZOMG THEY THE NEW BOB!" line..

Originally by: Papa Digger

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DMC propaganda machine turn on...

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rofl; That's a priceless comment coming from a member of RA/RSF.

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Originally by: Taison

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Originally by: Graalum

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Quote:

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I wouldn't blame them for lying to get whatever ally they can onboard if that is the case. DMC made a diplomatic mistake, and from their own chat log postings, seems they are unwilling to repair it.

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from my view of it, the larger chatlog was supposed to be showing that the rest of them were telling the angry guy to stfu, which is kinda like apologizing for a drunken friend who is being a dip****. Of course, if rk was in ra's place, our response would probably be 'to bad' followed by much yarrring.

General question: so it this going to be a territorial war, or just a 'few the carp out of dmc' war?

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The problem is - as i understood, that drunken friend was the DMC CEO... So that argument of beein dip**** seems not appropriate

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Originally by: Zi37A

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...that CEO being alliance founder/leader

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Originally by: Zi37A

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...that CEO being alliance founder/leader

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Originally by: Daroh

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Edited by: Daroh on 12/01/2008 18:56:50
ops...someone get raped

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Originally by: MINERALMAN

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Originally by: Daroh

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Edited by: Daroh on 12/01/2008 18:56:50
ops...someone get raped

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again?

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Originally by: Zi37A

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...that CEO being alliance founder/leader

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Originally by: Guderick

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Originally by: Zi37A

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...that CEO being alliance founder/leader

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but not the only founder/leader

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Originally by: KweKwe Babe

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Confirmed by RA nync

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Originally by: Digicomm

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Originally by: Bashiri

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This is boring i thought there be some pew pew in drone region with smash.

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Why would you want that when your already getting asses handed to you by BoB? omg LOL smash.

Smash is the northern KOS LOL.

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Originally by: Unrah

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Part 2:
My conlcusion for now + some of my own suggestions about all this:
We got f.... from behind, quite and simple. We honored our deal, and payed the agreed price. And my 2 titans i had in production at that time were not part of any deal for them. I offered them to sell them titans at a cheaper price + my own titan for any fleet operations around our space. And their offfer of 50 bil isk for one was just an insult to me, i don`t put up all the hard work to build one and then just give it away for free.

Poor russians are ****ed because they didn`t get what they want at their condition, so they work out a neat little plan.
They bring Ka TET to attack DMC, hopeing that DMC will come running to RA crying for help.
Instead, DMC does not ask RA for an help, but is doing a good job in the war, also of course due to the swift help of of Atlas and CI (thanks again from myself to you guys for your swift help)

Things are not going as planned, so they have to step out of the dark and start acting themself. They throw some accusations at us on forums that we broke a deal, and take this fake reason to attack us without any warning, going from blue to red in a blink of an eye.
This is really one of the biggest backstabbing moves i have seen in quite some time now in Eve.
I thought you guys were man of honor, and that your word counts something. Oh boy, have i been fooled!

To all people who will deal with RA , Legion of xxdeath , especially with NYNC and UaxxDeath, BEWARE!
Learn soemthing from our mistakes here, and DO NOT TRUST THEM.
By the way, why does soo many people within RA spend countless hours of their time in this game so NYNC and UaXXDeath get a titan for themself very cheapo r a MS for free?

How this continues, we will see, maybe i will just throw up the biggest merc contract ever:
Kill RA, Kill Legion of XXDeath, and thorw in their pets as a bonus.
If you are a big Mercalliance or a group of alliances and feel up to that, let me know the price.

One last thing about this post: Some people know me for quite some time now although i didn`t appear in any political threads, but i am a well know business person. People have trusted me with billions of isks, and all who know me know, they can rely on my word!

The day i finished both of those beautiful ships was a very proud one, now they and backstabbing mentality just make me sad.

I am soo filled with rage atm that i should probably not post this, but hell, too late. /hitting ok button now/

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Originally by: Darius silverbolt

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The only positive thign today so far for me is that I tanked a Titian today....just not the second one.

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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The biggest mistake you made was to accept help from chaos/atlas. What did you think would happen if you join forces with someone red to us and RA? Very bad political move and you can only blame yourself for it.

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Originally by: MINERALMAN

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 12/01/2008 18:32:15

Originally by: Lita Brutor

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As i can see RA is the new BoB in the game, the lie and backstab corps.
So an advise to all alliance and corps dont trust them. I hope a lot of alliance and corps joins up with DMC and help fight Russians and there pets.

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i think u will find alt guy (or turn on ur corp name etc plz), the russians have never been trustworthy.
People need to stop using this "ZOMG THEY THE NEW BOB!" line..

Originally by: Papa Digger

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DMC propaganda machine turn on...

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rofl; That's a priceless comment coming from a member of RA/RSF.

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You have disappointed me Maxy

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Originally by: Unrah

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How this continues, we will see, maybe i will just throw up the biggest merc contract ever:
Kill RA, Kill Legion of XXDeath, and thorw in their pets as a bonus.

If you are a big Mercalliance or a group of alliances and feel up to that, let me know the price.

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Originally by: Omeega

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Originally by: Unrah

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How this continues, we will see, maybe i will just throw up the biggest merc contract ever:
Kill RA, Kill Legion of XXDeath, and thorw in their pets as a bonus.

If you are a big Mercalliance or a group of alliances and feel up to that, let me know the price.

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Also, price is not the issue, you need a plan.

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Then you shouldn't have promised them what you did, now should you?

When one blue is agressing another blue that you have given lifelong protection, you don't feel like you should step in?

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Originally by: Unrah

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Part 2:

By the way, why does soo many people within RA spend countless hours of their time in this game so NYNC and UaXXDeath get a titan for themself very cheapo r a MS for free?

How this continues, we will see, maybe i will just throw up the biggest merc contract ever:
Kill RA, Kill Legion of XXDeath, and thorw in their pets as a bonus.
If you are a big Mercalliance or a group of alliances and feel up to that, let me know the price.

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Originally by: Unrah

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Originally by: Omeega

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Originally by: Unrah

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How this continues, we will see, maybe i will just throw up the biggest merc contract ever:
Kill RA, Kill Legion of XXDeath, and thorw in their pets as a bonus.

If you are a big Mercalliance or a group of alliances and feel up to that, let me know the price.

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Also, price is not the issue, you need a plan.

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No i don`t. All i need is a nice wallet and a heart filled with hate, and the will to spend all that money to satisfy my rage and to make Ra/Legion life as miserable as possible.
The plan i leave to the ones who will take my money.

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Originally by: Taison

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Then you shouldn't have promised them what you did, now should you?

When one blue is agressing another blue that you have given lifelong protection, you don't feel like you should step in?

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QFTW

U know - i actually dont care mucg but 1 thing that should be considered here is the fact that DMC responded instantly to the ka-tet agression with the combined force of them and 2 hostile alliances. I just looked at the other thread and it seems that it was created right while the ka-tet were comming. And right in the first posts it says that atlas and ci are with DMC on this. Ahm... was RA even contacted? How much time did RA get to respond? 5 mins? It seems all was decided beforehand. And i suppose thats what nuns means when he says - well they seem not to need our protection anymore. So we have the siding with hostiles against a long time ally combined with trashtalk from the executor of DMC - that makes some deadly angry russians. Thats more than enough for giving green light for some pew pew.

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Originally by: Omeega

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Originally by: Unrah

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Originally by: Omeega

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Originally by: Unrah

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How this continues, we will see, maybe i will just throw up the biggest merc contract ever:
Kill RA, Kill Legion of XXDeath, and thorw in their pets as a bonus.

If you are a big Mercalliance or a group of alliances and feel up to that, let me know the price.

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Also, price is not the issue, you need a plan.

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No i don`t. All i need is a nice wallet and a heart filled with hate, and the will to spend all that money to satisfy my rage and to make Ra/Legion life as miserable as possible.
The plan i leave to the ones who will take my money.

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God i tried to make a joke and a mini-size burn towards Seleene and you didn't took the bait, at all.

I fail on all levels, I'm off to get drunk.

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Originally by: Taison

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Then you shouldn't have promised them what you did, now should you?

When one blue is agressing another blue that you have given lifelong protection, you don't feel like you should step in?

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U know - i actually dont care mucg but 1 thing that should be considered here is the fact that DMC responded instantly to the ka-tet agression with the combined force of them and 2 hostile alliances. I just looked at the other thread and it seems that it was created right while the ka-tet were comming. And right in the first posts it says that atlas and ci are with DMC on this. Ahm... was RA even contacted? How much time did RA get to respond? 5 mins? It seems all was decided beforehand. And i suppose thats what nuns means when he says - well they seem not to need our protection anymore. So we have the siding with hostiles against a long time ally combined with trashtalk from the executor of DMC - that makes some deadly angry russians. Thats more than enough for giving green light for some pew pew.

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Originally by: Taison

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Then you shouldn't have promised them what you did, now should you?

When one blue is agressing another blue that you have given lifelong protection, you don't feel like you should step in?

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U know - i actually dont care mucg but 1 thing that should be considered here is the fact that DMC responded instantly to the ka-tet agression with the combined force of them and 2 hostile alliances. I just looked at the other thread and it seems that it was created right while the ka-tet were comming. And right in the first posts it says that atlas and ci are with DMC on this. Ahm... was RA even contacted? How much time did RA get to respond? 5 mins? It seems all was decided beforehand. And i suppose thats what nuns means when he says - well they seem not to need our protection anymore. So we have the siding with hostiles against a long time ally combined with trashtalk from the executor of DMC - that makes some deadly angry russians. Thats more than enough for giving green light for some pew pew.

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Originally by: Bashiri

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Nice i wonder if MC is not to busy for this.

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Originally by: Unrah

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Part 2:

The day i finished both of those beautiful ships was a very proud one, now they and backstabbing mentality just make me sad.

I am soo filled with rage atm that i should probably not post this, but hell, too late. /hitting ok button now/

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Originally by: Unrah

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Part 2:

The day i finished both of those beautiful ships was a very proud one, now they and backstabbing mentality just make me sad.

I am soo filled with rage atm that i should probably not post this, but hell, too late. /hitting ok button now/

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Now i see why RA attacked you. Building moms for sale is already considered okish in current eve. But building titans - still not. I guess your intention to sell titans to whoever highest bidder was not a very nice surprise for RA. Allthought i agree things look quite dirty, i still remember the very same DMC fiercely rejecting any rumors about paying RA for protection.

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Taison

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Originally by: Frygok

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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You can blaim this on capital deals all you want.

The simple truth is when 2 blues fighting the rest stay out of it, like KOS vs AAA for example. Now if KOS asked BOB for help vs AAA they will instantly become red to entire coalition which should be no surprize.

You allied yourself with chaos and atlas that are red, that made you red, as simple as that the rest are just excuses.

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Then you shouldn't have promised them what you did, now should you?

When one blue is agressing another blue that you have given lifelong protection, you don't feel like you should step in?

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U know - i actually dont care mucg but 1 thing that should be considered here is the fact that DMC responded instantly to the ka-tet agression with the combined force of them and 2 hostile alliances. I just looked at the other thread and it seems that it was created right while the ka-tet were comming. And right in the first posts it says that atlas and ci are with DMC on this. Ahm... was RA even contacted? How much time did RA get to respond? 5 mins? It seems all was decided beforehand. And i suppose thats what nuns means when he says - well they seem not to need our protection anymore. So we have the siding with hostiles against a long time ally combined with trashtalk from the executor of DMC - that makes some deadly angry russians. Thats more than enough for giving green light for some pew pew.

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Indeed you are right, it seems that it was decided beforehand. Especially when an RA fellow in this thread posts "when 2 blues fighting the rest stays out". How does this NOT conflict with a lifetime protection? So they will only protect DMC against those who are red to RA? People on the good side of RA are free to toss DMC out of their space without any protests from RA?

That DMC got help from neighbours is hardly surprising, and on top of that, I don't really know what you expect them to do? Shoot both Ka-Tet, ATLAS AND CI? That would definately be suicidal.

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Originally by: Hinterwaeldler

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Originally by: Bashiri

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Nice i wonder if MC is not to busy for this.

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They hired a force (RA) to protect them and got backstabbed. Now you suggest they hire a force (MC) with a (recent) history of not honoring contracts and backstabbing to punish the first group of backstabbers. No way that could fail.

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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Second, DMC was never in any real danger from Ka-Tet, not one POS was in reinforce hell DMC is probobly stronger than Ka-Tet, but instead of fighting them they imidiatly allied with 2 hostile alliances. That sealed their fate.

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Originally by: Mc Leech

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Second, DMC was never in any real danger from Ka-Tet, not one POS was in reinforce hell DMC is probobly stronger than Ka-Tet, but instead of fighting them they imidiatly allied with 2 hostile alliances. That sealed their fate.

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Originally by: Jaroslav

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Edited by: Jaroslav on 12/01/2008 20:05:42
RA are the scum of the earth **** those guys .

They said they were only going to 'borrow' my soul, look how that turned out

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Originally by: Fletcher Vardy

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thats a total fabrication , nync is that all u can make up m8 those are not my words ! dude u still find the need to lie i replyed in local to ka-tet after a engagement witch we totally destroyed ka-tet`s gang.eat sh_t u traders we have been friends for a long time now u attack us for RA .that was all that was said i have the logs to prove it .sad really it is sad and to think we acctually respected RA for helping us .DAMM I was very stupid !!! now u feel the need to lie on top of it plus you come to G5 under blue standings no convos of reset standings nothing enter our space (still blue)and attack us .why would i give u 80 bill and then say RA and ka-tet die LMAO .pathetic ,i think RA needs to check itself ,nobody would believe this cr_p.little old DMC iam sure we would invite a war with RA after paying u 80 bill.yea right!!!! Did anyone even think before writing this ?

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Originally by: FinrodFelagund

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goon is the new MC

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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People need to stop using this "ZOMG THEY THE NEW BOB!" line..

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Originally by: Fletcher Vardy

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thats a total fabrication , nync is that all u can make up m8 those are not my words ! dude u still find the need to lie i replyed in local to ka-tet after a engagement witch we totally destroyed ka-tet`s gang.eat sh_t u traders we have been friends for a long time now u attack us for RA .that was all that was said i have the logs to prove it .sad really it is sad and to think we acctually respected RA for helping us .DAMM I was very stupid !!! now u feel the need to lie on top of it plus you come to G5 under blue standings no convos of reset standings nothing enter our space (still blue)and attack us .why would i give u 80 bill and then say RA and ka-tet die LMAO .pathetic ,i think RA needs to check itself ,nobody would believe this cr_p.little old DMC iam sure we would invite a war with RA after paying u 80 bill.yea right!!!! Did anyone even think before writing this ?

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Oh - 1 nice one as well! Ka TET ppl likes DMC looks like and this is what mine mail says from KA TET:

2008.01.09 17:28
Hey :)
I have some intel for you you might be interessted in.
Pls keep this if possible confidential.
I know you want to contact the diplos and sort this out but my suggestion would be:
Prepare your fleet keep it secret and be ready, if nothing happens, I'm sorry and nobody needs to now sth about this eve-mail

Ok here is the intel I want you to know:

Keep in mind I'm only a normal member and the FCs give not away many intel, this is all I know

Ka-Tet is planing to attack you tomorrow, they want to form up a fleet at 18:00 eve-time (not totally certified yet)
and then head to your space with some freighters. They want to enter one of your outpost system (donno whitch exactly) and then spam poses and camp your OP while you contact the Ka-Tet diplos and try to sort out whats is going on.My info I get from a FC/CEO under the hand is that they hope you bring your whole capital fleet in and engage the Ka-Tet POSes, and perhaps call for Red alliance to help you take the POSes down.
After Red arrives through your jump portal and siege with you the Ka-Tet POSes RED is going to betray you and attack your cap fleet and trying to take them out with one strike.
After you lost your caps RED is heading home and Ka-Tet is going to take your space, they payed a bunch of money to RED for their help....so far the plan that I know of...

get some spies a few jumps outside and wait, if they report a Ka-Tet gang heading to you, you know that I was telling the truth..prepare a trap or sth I donno.


So nice isnt it - we cut of this plan so pure Ka TET failed and RA taking care DMC gets scared!

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Originally by: Ptinoz

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Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Platinum Dagger > we gave u ** bill
Platinum Dagger > to protect us
Platinum Dagger > now u attack us
Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Vandraren > STOP TALK NOW!"!!!!
maya ibuki2 > STOP SMACKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katie Price > lol
Platinum Dagger > leave our space u dont like it
Katie Price > u gave us nothing
Tal Notts > platinum stop talking in local
maya ibuki2 > platinum shut the h*ll up
Andrast3 > NO TALKING IN LOCAL!
Platinum Dagger > planium is otr99
Platinum Dagger > so f*ck *ff

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Originally by: Ptinoz

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Originally by: nync

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We are glad dmc are strong and stand proud and ready to defend themselves, and with might of 2 titans to obliterate any hostile forses attacking them. they have outgrown our protection and don't need it anymore. And atacking KA-TET is another smart move from them and killing aoen class mothership. I wish them good luck and all the best.
And hearing this from DMC Ceo, I wana just say 1 thing: DIE

Platinum Dagger > eat **** ******* traders
Platinum Dagger > RA and you will DIE
Platinum Dagger > **** u

All standing are reset starting from now, you are KOS now.

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Well, I understood that you searched for an excuse for backstabbing DMC when U can¦t buy titans at robbery price's. But why U have do not only censorship the local (sorry to say) smack - but also edit it so it both lacks context and get new statements that never was there.

I'm sorry that one of our leaders got to ****ed with the situation so he smacked a bit to much, however I do understand his anger. That said, here is the true local from the time RA creates a false reason to backstabb someone who paid them greatly just recently:

Platinum Dagger > eat sh*t f*cking traders
Tal Notts > calm down
maya ibuki2 > dont smack
Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Platinum Dagger > we gave u ** bill
Platinum Dagger > to protect us
Platinum Dagger > now u attack us
Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Vandraren > STOP TALK NOW!"!!!!
maya ibuki2 > STOP SMACKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katie Price > lol
Platinum Dagger > leave our space u dont like it
Katie Price > u gave us nothing
Tal Notts > platinum stop talking in local
maya ibuki2 > platinum shut the h*ll up
Andrast3 > NO TALKING IN LOCAL!
Platinum Dagger > planium is otr99
Platinum Dagger > so f*ck *ff
Tsal Epoh > 0_0
Katie Price > u who ??? nobody ??
Katie Price > ok
Platinum Dagger > iam DMC CEO
Platinum Dagger > u guys are a bunch of lieing pr*cks
Katie Price > sux to be u
Tsal Epoh > katie
Tsal Epoh > relax let him do his thing
Katie Price > m8
Katie Price > i`m not smacking him
Katie Price > u know
Tsal Epoh > ooo ok
Katie Price > just laughing
Platinum Dagger > iam not the one flying home in a pod
Platinum Dagger > we gave u ** bill funny i think the forums will like this
Katie Price > lol nobody care
Platinum Dagger > o yea they will hahaha
Platinum Dagger > u will see in the following days m8
Geiter > down

...as you see the second local comment is 100% created by RA imagination, and that¦s also their reason to backstab someone they sworn to protect.

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Originally by: Hannobaal

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Originally by: Ptinoz

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Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Platinum Dagger > we gave u ** bill
Platinum Dagger > to protect us
Platinum Dagger > now u attack us
Platinum Dagger > f*ck u
Vandraren > STOP TALK NOW!"!!!!
maya ibuki2 > STOP SMACKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katie Price > lol
Platinum Dagger > leave our space u dont like it
Katie Price > u gave us nothing
Tal Notts > platinum stop talking in local
maya ibuki2 > platinum shut the h*ll up
Andrast3 > NO TALKING IN LOCAL!
Platinum Dagger > planium is otr99
Platinum Dagger > so f*ck *ff

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Bye DMC. Nice knowing ya....

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Originally by: Taison

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So Katie Price is Ka-Tet?

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Originally by: Orravan

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Originally by: Zi37A

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...that CEO being alliance founder/leader

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Still, it's one person. Not 1500.

Something less trivial : even if it's unexpected from a CEO / diplomat, it's out of the context.
Actually, it happen when a(nother) blue fleet engaged DMC. Hence the harsh reaction from someone who doesn't expected an ally to help his ennemy.
RA came after.

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Originally by: Fletcher Vardy

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Now u say die DMC ,DMC m8 will never die for you or anyone .LONG LIVE DMC
RA it isnt enough for you to be RA hmmm ,I wonder why .maybe u feel like we are a future threat to you. Well you took care of that didnt you!!We are just getting started in this game and we have built how many 2,3,4 hmmmm cant say i lost count.And to think we are not an offensive alliance ,but RA you have made me think otherwise !

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Originally by: Orravan

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Originally by: Taison

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So Katie Price is Ka-Tet?

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Is Katie Price RA ?

I'll quote myself.

Originally by: Orravan

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Originally by: Zi37A

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...that CEO being alliance founder/leader

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Still, it's one person. Not 1500.

Something less trivial : even if it's unexpected from a CEO / diplomat, it's out of the context.
Actually, it happen when a(nother) blue fleet engaged DMC. Hence the harsh reaction from someone who doesn't expected an ally to help his ennemy.
RA came after.

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Originally by: FinrodFelagund

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lol @ anyone who would trust RA. Especially after what they did to smash. Those who don't learn history though suffer the same consequences as people before them...

RA cares about ISK and how they can get it from you.
RA also has a long history of doing these false flag crap attacks and whatnot. Does no one remember the plex scandal and miz's mothership deal?

RA is the new bob, xxdeath and ka-tet are the new fix's and goon is the new MC. Any other southern entities will be used/discarded as it suits the above listed.

TBH RA is going to backstab smash's cap fleet in bob space and then invade their space. If you think otherwise... well, you'd be ignoring a lot of history.

But this is just my prediction. Also, my views in no way represent my corp or alliances.

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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard

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"Run, DMC"

Always wanted to say that.

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Originally by: Digicomm

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They have only allied with goons as a mutual benefit, the goons are nothing without RA and RA is nothing with out goons.

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Originally by: LenariaBoth (KA-TET and DMC) were considered RA protectories. Allthought i could say KA-TET was RA friend much, much longer than DMC. Now, KA-TET and DMC got a conflict. So far so good. RA were at that point neutral. Then DMC sided with RA enemies and attacked KA-TET souvereignity, while also posting loud **** in local. I guess, that wasnt smart move from DMC. However, i dont know if DMC contacted RA on that matter - there might well be something else behind this move.[/quote

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common dude - U don¦t accually insinuate that this wasn¦t appoved (or initiated more likely) by RA to Ka-Tet BEFORE Ka-Tet moved towards DMC (who RA promised lifetime protection). I don¦t think very high of Ka-Tet - but I don¦t think they are THAT stupid.

Originally by: Lardarz B'stard

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"Run, DMC"

Always wanted to say that.

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Originally by: Taison

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Actually i think the picture is the following:

Ra pilots are sick of flying somwhere very far from own space to shoot BoB. In fact there even might be a mutual respect @dont touch POS pact@ dealed with them. BoB is in Delve and they wont move far from there in the nearest future. they got enough to do with the Tortuga guys. And for RA to fly to delve and to die there - cuz bob are very good at the defensive - it's just not interesting. The pilots need somethin to shoot. So the closest thing are the drone regions. But whom to shoot there? SMASHKILL? PURE? But that could lead to a conflict with the north and as long as BoB is still around - that wouldnt be wise. So they need some targets that are willing to give a fight - but none that would threaten the @Big War@. And there is DMC. Who minds the guys want to have some fun after all that pos **** sieging? U guys ( DMC ) just came handy for the bloodfirsty RA pilots. Thats all i guess. All other things are just throwing dust into eachother's face

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Originally by: Lenaria

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Both (KA-TET and DMC) were considered RA protectories. Allthought i could say KA-TET was RA friend much, much longer than DMC. Now, KA-TET and DMC got a conflict. So far so good. RA were at that point neutral. Then DMC sided with RA enemies and attacked KA-TET souvereignity, while also posting loud **** in local. I guess, that wasnt smart move from DMC.

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Originally by: Tholarim

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So RSF backstabbing pets/allies huh?

Now where did i leave my mittani quotebook, damnit!

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Originally by: Digicomm

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RA are the biggest scumbags in eve, the coalition went to bed with the biggest scumbags in Eve just to try and kill BoB. Now that they are close and are a few months away from sealing the deal everyone is starting to get trigger happy at home.

Alliances are looking next door to their neighbors regions and wondering if they can kill them off, yesterdays common allies are slowly turning into tomorrows enemies.

Red alliance was almost killed off and held like one system or constellation in cache, the deal was almost done. Red alliance is back to thier old habits, maybe there are some new faces but they are still the same isk farming, back stabing ****s they have always been.

They have only allied with goons as a mutual benefit, the goons are nothing without RA and RA is nothing with out goons.

More to the point, when the rest of the coalition is getting stabbed in the *** please kindly remind yourself why you allied your enemies.

Take a stand, fight your oppressor. Or your future oppressor.

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Originally by: Cruel Fox

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Oh - 1 nice one as well! Ka TET ppl likes DMC looks like and this is what mine mail says from KA TET:

2008.01.09 17:28
Hey :)
I have some intel for you you might be interessted in.
Pls keep this if possible confidential.
I know you want to contact the diplos and sort this out but my suggestion would be:
Prepare your fleet keep it secret and be ready, if nothing happens, I'm sorry and nobody needs to now sth about this eve-mail

Ok here is the intel I want you to know:

Keep in mind I'm only a normal member and the FCs give not away many intel, this is all I know

Ka-Tet is planing to attack you tomorrow, they want to form up a fleet at 18:00 eve-time (not totally certified yet)
and then head to your space with some freighters. They want to enter one of your outpost system (donno whitch exactly) and then spam poses and camp your OP while you contact the Ka-Tet diplos and try to sort out whats is going on.My info I get from a FC/CEO under the hand is that they hope you bring your whole capital fleet in and engage the Ka-Tet POSes, and perhaps call for Red alliance to help you take the POSes down.
After Red arrives through your jump portal and siege with you the Ka-Tet POSes RED is going to betray you and attack your cap fleet and trying to take them out with one strike.
After you lost your caps RED is heading home and Ka-Tet is going to take your space, they payed a bunch of money to RED for their help....so far the plan that I know of...

get some spies a few jumps outside and wait, if they report a Ka-Tet gang heading to you, you know that I was telling the truth..prepare a trap or sth I donno.


So nice isnt it - we cut of this plan so pure Ka TET failed and RA taking care DMC gets scared!

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Originally by: dastommy79

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How is bob going to die by RA and company attacking the Drone regions?

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Originally by: dastommy79

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Ok so let me get this straight.
-DMC pays RA for protection. RA then sends its minoins to try and exploit DMC for more isk and ships.
- Ka tet vs DMC/chaos/atlas have some fun fights. Ka tet mom goes down.
- Do to the assistance of Chaos/atlas: their exploiting plans are not working out.
- RA attacks a member (not a major player) of the Northern half of the coalition.

How the hell can you explain your actions and how can you convince someone to fight along side you. Exploiting your own allie after being very well compincated. Attacking members of the Northern coaliton who are supposed to be aiding in the attack on BoB. RA has shown its cards and is now in a diplomatic cluster f*ck.

The big issue here is what are the members of the Northern Coalition going to do. Why aid the South if they are just gonna come after you next? How is bob going to die by RA and company attacking the Drone regions? How is RA any better than Bob? thats the big question. This is a PR nightmare for RA but i dont think they care.

Can someone explain these questions i have?


on a side note please stop making derogitory RL comments like the "russians" and cant trust the russians crap. Its a video game ffs. Its in bad taste

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: dastommy79

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Ok so let me get this straight.
-DMC pays RA for protection. RA then sends its minoins to try and exploit DMC for more isk and ships.
- Ka tet vs DMC/chaos/atlas have some fun fights. Ka tet mom goes down.
- Do to the assistance of Chaos/atlas: their exploiting plans are not working out.
- RA attacks a member (not a major player) of the Northern half of the coalition.

How the hell can you explain your actions and how can you convince someone to fight along side you. Exploiting your own allie after being very well compincated. Attacking members of the Northern coaliton who are supposed to be aiding in the attack on BoB. RA has shown its cards and is now in a diplomatic cluster f*ck.

The big issue here is what are the members of the Northern Coalition going to do. Why aid the South if they are just gonna come after you next? How is bob going to die by RA and company attacking the Drone regions? How is RA any better than Bob? thats the big question. This is a PR nightmare for RA but i dont think they care.

Can someone explain these questions i have?


on a side note please stop making derogitory RL comments like the "russians" and cant trust the russians crap. Its a video game ffs. Its in bad taste

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yeah man what is the south going to do now that ka-tet, DMC, and Atlas aren't going to be helping us kill bob

here watch i can do what you did too:
- dmc pays ra for protection
- ka tet vs dmc/chaos/atlas have fun fights
- dmc refuses to make good on their rental agreement (cheap titans instead of isk)
- RA attacks dmc for picking on their friends and being deadbeats

The only ones "attacking" the drone regions, which in actuality are a very few, select members of the drone regions, are RA. TFC isn't, Goonfleet isn't, KOS, Blackout, UNL, and on and on aren't interested in the drone regions but no one is going to tell RA how to police their space or treat their tenants. If the drone region alliances would just fall in line and stop thinking they could get away with not paying their bills while everyone else is occupied elsewhere, everyone would be happy.

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Originally by: dastommy79

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So what your saying is RA are now in the buisness of having entities pay them rent inorder to keep their space? Isnt that kinda why most of the people jumped on the kill bob train?

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Originally by: dastommy79

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So what your saying is RA are now in the buisness of having entities pay them rent inorder to keep their space? Isnt that kinda why most of the people jumped on the kill bob train?

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Quote:

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DMC was not picking on Ka tet, Ka tet attacked DMC first.

btw this isnt ment to be sound like smack. I'm out of game atm and am very confused by the politics going on.

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Originally by: Shinori

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Originally by: dastommy79

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btw this isnt ment to be sound like smack. I'm out of game atm and am very confused by the politics going on.

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For someone admitting to be clueless, you sure made some strong accusations based on the words of people you were shooting not so long ago.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: dastommy79

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So what your saying is RA are now in the buisness of having entities pay them rent inorder to keep their space? Isnt that kinda why most of the people jumped on the kill bob train?

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No, they jumped on the bandwagon, because none of them are good enough to do it alone..

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Originally by: Tavernier

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RA was always on the side of peace and friendship in all the regions. To our regret we could no longer watch how greedy and aggressive some drone region entities have become. We can no longer tolerate the anger, greed, and backstabbing that is ruining the game for the drone region citizens. This is why we have decided to interfere to help solve their problems.

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Originally by: FinrodFelagund

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goon is the new MC

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Originally by: Colonel Katsumoto

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I know X.I.X had ATLAS and CI set to red. Was this the same with RA or where they just nuetral before the conflict began?

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